Here’s CSPAN2’s YouTube live feed.
I can’t watch, but my husband is. We’ll see how long he can bear it before he finds a fishing or gardening show on TV.
Open thread!
ETA: It opened with the prayer, and the clergyman urged God to take control of the impeachment trial. Okay then.
The ACA and Chairman Neal’s draft
Low Key Swagger
Really? I’d rather watch mimes interpret the impeachment trial than watch any kind of fishing show. Thank god we’re all different!
Betty Cracker
@Low Key Swagger: LOL! He also watches golf.
Old School
@Low Key Swagger:
Well, who wouldn’t? Where can I find the mime channel?
MomSense
Hmm, I might be ok with God taking control of it involves smiting and renting of garments.
Another Scott
I knew I should have waited a couple more minutes. Reposting from downstairs:
Understanding that free opinions from a dead guy’s lawyers are worth as much as one pays for them…
dick_nixon:
Interesting. (This may be a variation on Kaine’s floater from a week or so ago that didn’t go anywhere.)
With the side benefit that if Donnie decides to fight it, he can spend the rest of his life on lawyers while the US Government takes its own sweet time…
Will it happen? Who knows.
Cheers,
Scott.
Danielx
If there is a God who takes control of the trial it will be over in five minutes and end with Him/Her/Them smiting his fat ass into a smoking grease spot.
ETA MomSense got there first ?
Alison Rose
Meanwhile, God is like “Excuse me, I gave you a competent, brilliant woman and y’all picked this POS, keep my name out of this.”
Leto
@Old School: CSPAN, where you can watch 50 people pretend to be legislators.
Starboard Tack
@MomSense:
So God uses Stitch Fix?
Leto
@Alison Rose: “Sorry, you used up all my blessings at the Super Bowl. You’re tapped out. Try again next year.”
germy
Ruckus
I’d rather be working as a dairy shovel operator. At least cows produce something useful, along with the stuff one has to shovel.
republicans, not so much.
germy
dmsilev
@germy: Can’t they get an actual Hannity monologue? I’m sure he’d be willing to provide one.
Starboard Tack
@Ruckus:
Stuff you have to shovel’s useful, too. Shit that comes from Repubs, not.
mrmoshpotato
@MomSense:
LOL Send requests here.
catclub
Bob Ross had an amazing soporific effect on an energetic 2-3 year old. Also on me. We fell asleep on the floor in front of the TV.
Ruckus
@Alison Rose:
I can see the wheels turning that he might use to get there, but from historical perspective, it seems more likely that a targeted lighting strike might be the answer. Functional and politically expedient.
germy
Trump is sitting in front of his TV right now, listening and watching closely.
Maybe munching on a hamberder, too.
I heard a clip of one of his speeches on the radio earlier today, and it wasn’t painful for me because I know the piece of shit is out of government.
mrmoshpotato
@Alison Rose: Yup. A billion times Yup.
“But her emails!”
Alison Rose
@germy: I see they’re trying to give Trump ideas of ways to entertain himself.
Benw
What does God need with an impeachment trial?
Senate, you don’t ask the almighty for his ID!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9sqkahSziU
Ruckus
@Starboard Tack:
It was a symbolic explanation….
Alison Rose
@catclub: Saint Bob of the Happy Trees, as we call him in my house.
(“My house” = just me. But still.)
(Well, and the cat. But she doesn’t have much to say on the matter.)
mrmoshpotato
@germy: Why are they revealing the
plotshitshow twists? Idiots.germy
They’re showing a clip of trump’s speech as seen from the chanting crowd!
germy
I hope they show the clip from trump’s speech where he complained that republicans want to “play by the book.”
Alison Rose
@Ruckus: Fuck these Senators in particular.
germy
“USA! USA!!”
germy
Congratulations to CBS for not bleeping out the crowd’s cries of “Fuck you. traitor!” at the Capitol police.
Alison Rose
@mrmoshpotato: HRC all day today (and probably all the last four years).
different-church-lady
Given that most of Trump’s base thinks the Capitol attack was justified, they’re really painting him into a corner with this.
Oklahomo
@MomSense: or most of the R caucus reduced to table salt.
mrmoshpotato
@Alison Rose: “The look you give when you are arguing with a imbecile.” Hahaha
Another Scott
Cheers,
Scott.
Major Major Major Major
I think Biden’s wise to distance himself from this, and Chuck is wise to make it as streamlined as possible. We all know what’s going to happen and I don’t think doing the trial now plays well for Dems in Peoria, as it were.
different-church-lady
Good grief, now even the text editor has lost its mind — keeps adding in crazy stuff like “data-mce-fragment=”1”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@different-church-lady: Lindsey Graham was hiding under a desk, begging Ivanka to get hold of the man they both call “daddy” and get him to speak up
Major Major Major Major
@different-church-lady: Ah, good ‘ol mce-text-field.
Low Key Swagger
@Betty Cracker: He will thank me for this…but you likely will not. There’s a fishing show featuring young attractive females fishing clad only in thongs, with all the predictable bending over and other suggestive, um, gestures you’d expect.
It’s STILL boring.
different-church-lady
@Major Major Major Major:
I say show video of cops getting the shit beat out of them with Trump flags now until the midterms, see how that plays.
different-church-lady
@Major Major Major Major:
You have fondness for things I do not.
Major Major Major Major
@different-church-lady: I imagine that that would play much better.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Major Major Major Major:
I agree with this part, in part because it’s a good chance to piously remind reporters about the whole co-equal branches thing. As to Peoria and Peorians in all fifty states: I think if they get their checks before too long, reminding people that trump appeals to goons and goons went apeshit in the US Capitol is a good thing, even if it won’t scare many R Senators into doing the right thing.
catclub
@Oklahomo:
I think in the Bible it was kosher salt.
dmsilev
I feel so, I don’t know, cynical or resigned or something, listening to this. It’s a strong and valid argument that impeachment doesn’t end with the accused leaving office. But the Senate Republicans overwhelmingly won’t give a shit.
catclub
@Low Key Swagger:
ah, the car washing scene in Cool Hand Luke.
Oklahomo
@catclub: You’re right, my bad.
catclub
Change it to “2” and the world will end.
Another Scott
I’ll have to find the “highlights” later.
Cheers,
Scott.
Cameron
God is my cocounsel?
germy
@Another Scott:
It got me right in the throat. I almost started sobbing watching the damn thing.
citizen dave
@Low Key Swagger: I’m happy to hear that the Lingerie Football League (LFL) players have found gainful employment.
schrodingers_cat
I saw some of the footage and it was both enraging and traumatizing. I can never forgive people who put that man in the office. I have cut them out of my life.
sab
Got a Covid vaccine appointment for tomorrow! In Ohio!
different-church-lady
@catclub:
I’M ON IT!!!
schrodingers_cat
@sab: Good! I think I am going to have to wait until summer.
CaseyL
The House Managers are giving some solid, historical and legal precedent arguments. Bringing up the Founders’ own words and past cases where officials were tried for crimes committed while in office after they had left those offices.
I didn’t watch the video because I missed that part of the proceedings. I can probably find it somewhere later.
waysel
@sab: Congratulations! What was your secret? My sister in Licking county is having no luck finding useable info.
Bobby Thomson
JFC. All Q curious and Q-adjacent folks need to go NOW from all aspects of government.
different-church-lady
@Another Scott:
a) Impeachment is the right thing to do for no other reason than because of what happened.
b) Even if the senate won’t convict, use this trial so that history will convict.
Starboard Tack
@sab:
Soup for you!!
different-church-lady
@waysel:
I love Dr. Seuss!
Jeffro
trumpov defense team: “stop dragging his name through the mud!”
impeachment managers: “oh…you’re worried about his rep-u-tation? LOL”
schrodingers_cat
@different-church-lady: Agreed. Let the Rs own their clown and wear his shame around their necks forever.
Geoduck
@Leto: So God personally smote the Chiefs’ offensive line? That’s cold.
germy
“President Trump may not know much about the Framers, but they knew a lot about him.” (Raskin)
Cameron
@different-church-lady: I dunno – think Animal Farm, how quickly “four legs good, two legs bad” morphed into “four legs good, two legs better.”
West of the Rockies
@Another Scott:
Can you yell “Movie!” in a crowded fire station?
waysel
@different-church-lady: Ha! It’s a real Ohio county.
Ben Cisco
I love the smell of governmental competence in the morning.
df
Bah. I turned on MSNBC earlier to watch the White House press briefing, but discovered that they were having an Impeach-a-thon, so I turned it off and found the White House live stream on my laptop instead. I feel like I should watch Impeachment 2: The Impeachening: This Time It’s Personal, but I just don’t have the energy. I’m glad it’s happening, and I 100% support all of it, but I know the outcome, and I can’t stomach watching when I know it will end in tragedy.
Cameron
@Ruckus: Maybe He could subcontract and get some of those Jewish space lasers.
germy
@Cameron:
“Two wheels good, four wheels bad.” Ask any city bicyclist.
different-church-lady
@Cameron:
I’m guessing they’re more addicted to their own anger than they are to Trump. They only like him because he feeds them.
germy
@Cameron:
PaulWartenberg
The problem with sequels is that they retcon so much sh-t out of the original movie that made it so much fun the first time around.
PaulWartenberg
Can we talk about the possible ring design for the Buccaneers’ Super Bowl LV rings instead…?
sab
@waysel: Persistence. We had open tabs on every possibility. Grocery store pharmacies ( Summit County has 3 participating). Other pharmacies listed. Summit County Health Department (which was very misleading about how to sign up…be sure to ask a real live person…they actually have a sign up phone line they don’t publicize.)
germy
Joe Neguse is an impressive guy. This is the first time I’ve ever heard him.
EDIT: And I’m glad I’ll never hear Trump try to pronounce his name.
Cameron
@PaulWartenberg: Given the maskless, distance-less nature of the celebrations hereabouts (well, St. Pete and Tampa, I live further away), perhaps a coronavirus theme might be in order.
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
It was
asmore horrifyingasthan the live coverage was on the day.Jeffery
It opened with the prayer, and the clergyman urged God to take control of the impeachment trial? I though Donald wasn’t going to be there.
Martin
Democrats do elect some incredibly impressive people.
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
Yeah, I’m impressed. Liking him a lot.
dmsilev
@Martin: Yes, but Republicans elect …unique individuals such as Louis Gohmert.
Clearly both sides are the same.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus: The stuff that you shovel is useful as fertilizer.
sab
@waysel: Maybe try Kroger? We found Walgreen’s site to ne not helpful. Also the Lickimg County Health Department. Giant Eagle? It feels like the vaccimes are just rolling in today. A lot of stuff just opemed up the the past hour or so.
...now I try to be amused
Looks like the Federalist Society is ready to jettison Trump.
mrmoshpotato
@dmsilev:
Someone’s in a charitable mood. :)
germy
@…now I try to be amused:
Well, they got their list of judges appointed, so they’re done.
Josie
@sab:
Congratulations! I have an appointment for Thursday. I didn’t realize how excited I would be about it.
waysel
@sab: Thanks.
pluky
@Old School:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cZe2AVn0M
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Jesus, take the wheel!
gene108
Cicciline is naive. Republicans will find a way to abuse impeaching a President in the last week in office.
Ken Starr abused the hell the Special Counsel’s office
Ksmiami
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Jesus rides beside me but he never has any smokes
?BillinGlendaleCA
@mrmoshpotato:
dmsilev doesn’t want to be seen as casting aspersions on Louis’ asparagus.
dmsilev
@mrmoshpotato: No, I’m just terrified at the thought that there might be two or more Gohmerts.
Cameron
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Naw, He’s riding shotgun. https://youtu.be/ORnJuFcL3og
dmsilev
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I frankly don’t want to even think about Gohmert’s asparagus. I doubt I’m alone here.
Marigold
@sab: Thank you, I just sent a message to my mom in Stark County. No harm in looking, and if it gets a shot in her arm, that’s a weight off my shoulders.
Cameron
@dmsilev: Florida has an up-and-comer in Matt Gaetz, and surely you can’t have forgotten Gym Jordan (yes, I know, don’t call you Shirley).
Betty Cracker
@germy: Yep. We’re stuck with that Bony Carrot lady for decades.
Cicilline highlighted this tweet of Trump still lying and justifying the carnage AFTER all the violence.
“Remember this day forever” — I damn sure will.
JanieM
@Josie:
Same for me. I got a call this morning after putting my name on the list at the local hospital’s online site last Thursday — I have an appointment for this Friday evening.
I was shocked to find myself in tears when I hung up the phone, and I think a lot of it was simple relief at the possibility that the clusterfuck of the past year, including a very rocky rollout of signups in my area, is in retreat. People I know are getting shots here in Maine and amongst my relatives in Ohio. I’m even having to manage some amount of hope that the younger people in my life, who have helped me so much with groceries etc., will get shots sooner than their pessimism is predicting. Fingers crossed!
Cameron
@Betty Cracker: You think he wrote that himself? Words with more than two syllables? I’m sure he agrees with the thought, but Flynn and Steve Miller (the bad Steve Miller) probably wrote it.
dmsilev
@Betty Cracker: “Remember, remember, the Sixth of January” doesn’t scan as well as the original.
Just One More Canuck
@Low Key Swagger: SCTV used to have a segment called the Fishin’ Musician with John Candy hosting musicians (the Plasmatics and the Tubes were among them) while hunting and fishing
narya
the federal vaccine rollout effort is truly impressive. (Turns out I actually KNOW the person who’s leading a part of the effort.) I am overwhelmed at work at the moment trying to coordinate various bits for various entities, and there are just a ton of people who are doing a great job. Whew.
In other news, I think my brother likely has Covid. Will be talking to mom in a few minutes to get details (on a fed webinar at the moment).
rikyrah
Impeachment 2: Electric Boogaloo ?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I see from twitter that Neguse pointed out the multiple hypocrisies and flippity-flops of Jonathan Turley, Fish-Faced Enemy of the People, and that particular dog is hollering
Betty Cracker
Wow, Raskin. ?
citizen dave
@Just One More Canuck: I wonder if the Schmenge Brothers were on the Fishin’ With Musicians show?
SiubhanDuinne
Tell me I’m not the only one who completely lost it during Jamie Raskin’s final comments. Wow. Wow.
Immanentize
For those who didn’t see it the first time or who want to see it again:
JanieM
@Cameron: One of them might have spiffed it up, but his use of the word “sacred” in that context seems very characteristic. It makes me want to throw up.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
MazeDancer
@SiubhanDuinne: Involuntarily stood up, walked towards the TV, held myself, and swayed side to side.
Such devastating footage.
Jinchi
@sab:
Waiting for the follow-up where you tell us that you live in Nebraska.
dmsilev
@SiubhanDuinne: Wow indeed. That was intense and very very personal for him.
MisterForkbeard
@narya: One of my (many, many) cousins just got it. Or more precisely, a cousin-in-law.
His wife (actual cousin) is a nurse and has been vaccinated, so hopefully that’s where it stops.
mrmoshpotato
@dmsilev:
Nightmare fuel.
geg6
Wow. Jamie Raskin. Wow. Lotsa dust all of a sudden.
Wow.
patroclus
Raskin’s close was powerfully emotional. Naguse and Ciccilline were just excellent as well. I am very impressed.
catclub
@Betty Cracker: why does every fucking thing that he thinks is important have to be sacred? From a guy who would not have the first idea what sacred even means.
MisterForkbeard
@Immanentize: Christ, watching that was just nerve wracking. And then that smarmy congratulatory video from Trump at the end.
I hate that man and what he did to this country. Hate him.
mrmoshpotato
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
What about casting asparagus on Louis’ aspersions? Abracadabrasparagus!
catclub
@Jinchi: I was thinking Arizona
Jim, Foolish Literalist
OT: they’re turning on each other, and I hope they keep doing so
“almost every evening, and many early afternoons, Rudy was shit-faced”
Betty Cracker
Rep. Raskin’s closing statement:
citizen dave
@sab: You inspired us in Indiana. My wife asked me to check and we just got one on Thursday, which is two days earlier than the one we had on Saturday, both at a Kroger. I recommend Kroger if you (any jackals) have any around.
They have links for 18 states here, and several more say “coming soon, check back” https://www.kroger.com/i/coronavirus-update/vaccine
mrmoshpotato
@dmsilev: “Remember, remember, ‘Fuck the GOP every second November!’”
Immanentize
@MisterForkbeard: The last four years have been an extended effort in my heart to not let hate finally grip me. Some days I lose. Mostly, though, I now feel like I will win. But I will still hate Trump and his small falange of wormpeople followers.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Betty Cracker:
“Landslide”. ?
A decent person would have been communicating with his rioters to back off immediately after the first barricade got crossed. He would have been in communication with Pelosi and Pence to coordinate a response and turn down the heat. The bloated mediocrity sat on his fat ass for two hours, chortling over the acts of his crowd.
Tradition be fucked – I want to hear from his protective detail about his movements and conversations for those two hours. Since his shitspawn were there, I want to hear from theirs, too.
JWR
Of all the former Fox news people hired by CBS, Major Garrett is by far the best of that lot. He was good during last years (annual) impeachment as well.
Immanentize
I must offer you all some cat relief/humor at the expense of lawyers:
catclub
There is a law against soliciting for prostitution. Is there one for soliciting vote fraud?
I think US Atty’s should go after Trump, now that the ‘rule’ against indicting a sitting President is no longer applied.
...now I try to be amused
@catclub:
Trump knows the word “sacred” appeals to people. That’s all a sociopath needs to know — or can know, as you note.
catclub
@mrmoshpotato:
That’s pretty good.
Immanentize
@Betty Cracker: It is the real thing, that closing. Are Republicans so shut off from humanity that they can no longer just feel truth when it is spoken?
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think that’s profoundly unfair to Rudy. He has far more than two vices.
Leto
@Geoduck: he smote’em in the AFC championship; def some cold stuff there.
Immanentize
@catclub: There are many laws, state and federal, criminalizing solicitation or attempts at voter fraud. It is the way.
M31
lol Trump’s lawyer refers to himself as ‘chief prosecutor’ hahahahahaha, all things in time, sir — Mr. Trump will be facing some prosecutors soon enough
SiubhanDuinne
This Bruce Castor is dressed like a mob boss.
M31
right now Rudy G is totally shitfaced shouting into his phone “THAT SHOULDA BEEN ME UP THERE”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@M31: before I turned him off, I noticed the careful reference to “the 45th President”. trump has banned the word “former” from his sycophants
artem1s
Jeebus, this guy has been talking for under 5 minutes and I already despise this fatuous liar.
Let’s hear Trumps apology to the slain police officer and his family Bruce. double dare you to find one.
SiubhanDuinne
@M31:
He’s trying to make jokes. They are not funny, and nobody is laughing.
Immanentize
Bad attorney makes bad arguments. News at Right Now.
I wonder if Castor is going to talk about his close relationship with Bill Cosby?
geg6
This lawyer for Mango Mussolini sucks donkey balls. Not compelling in any way. And doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing.
mrmoshpotato
@Immanentize: Holy shit. That’s harrowing.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker:
I’m in tears.
What a bunch of cowardly monsters if they can’t hear these words.
dmsilev
Is he getting paid by the word or something?
(assuming that he’s getting paid at all, of course)
CaseyL
@Immanentize: I want that. I want those filters. Oh, to be a cat on Zoom meetings!
I WANT TO BE A CAT ON ZOOM.
trollhattan
Utterly O/T (and since no way am I watching this peach thingie) we just now have our new washer and dryer stack installed, ending a weeks-long misadventure and enabling us to tackle this laundry mountain. Like a camping trip in your own home.
In the middle of the laundry crisis the fridge decided to have a hissyfit that took three visits to repair. I’m warning the range and dishwasher that they’re on notice.
Beginning to think being home 24/7-365 is hard on the house and its contents.
MisterForkbeard
@Immanentize: I think hate is the appropriate response to Trump. I used to feel bad about it. I don’t any longer.
I don’t let it drive me or force my decisions, and one of the things that I hate about him is that he’s made this change in so many Americans. But hating him and what he stands for is absolutely the right feeling, in my view. >_<
A Ghost to Most
I’m pretty sure that Bruce Castor was the bumbling first defense attorney in “My Cousin Vinny.”
Hildebrand
Is this guy going to make a point sometime soon?
JWR
WTF is this Castor guy talking about?
The Moar You Know
I didn’t want to give that orange sack of shit any more eyeballs, but I watched that fucking video.
Damn near puked. That was terrifying beginning to end.
Now I know the Senate won’t do it’s job here, they will not. But there has got to be another way to hold these people to account. All of them. Trump and the entire Republican party are flat-out guilty of inciting insurrection and attempting to overthrow the lawfully elected government of the United States.
Immanentize
@CaseyL: I’m going to trot one out for teaching this week sometime.
dmsilev
@JWR: “I know that no matter how badly I suck at this job, the GOP will still vote to acquit, so why put in any effort?”
SiubhanDuinne
JFC, this guy is just awful. I’m cringing with embarrassment just at
sharpiessharing a species with him.ETA: FY autoincorrect.
Immanentize
@dmsilev: he is trying to corn pone an impeachment. Oh my! They have two hours!!!
mrmoshpotato
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes! Both drinking and podcasting are vices!
Starboard Tack
@MisterForkbeard:
Is there a noun for “despise”?
MisterForkbeard
@zhena gogolia: I don’t think it’s cowardice, or inability to hear the truth. They just don’t care.
The facts of the matter are completely tangential to what matters to them, which is retaining their own power and making Democrats look bad. That’s IT, and everything the GOP does makes perfect sense if you just realize they’re a complete moral vacuum. Nihilistic fucks who pretend to be the moral and religious arbiters of the nation.
Immanentize
@A Ghost to Most: Mud in the wheels?
Benw
Yo, Trump’s legal team are dishonest shitheads
Martin
TFW you have the most important 2 hours of your career to fill and have nothing of substance to say.
MisterForkbeard
@Starboard Tack: As an object? I don’t think so. But it’s a good word for this.
Trump is an object of my despise? He’s a… despisation? You know what, fuck it. He’s a despiss. It’s a stupid ‘word’, but it combines despite and pee, which seems somehow to encapsulate my feelings here :)
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Leto:
We were watching the Australian Open sunday and players were thanking God for winning their matches, and I said out loud, “this is silly, don’t they know God isn’t down under but in a luxury box in Tampa covering the spread.”
dmsilev
@Martin: “In conclusion, the Senate is a land of contrasts.”
Starboard Tack
@MisterForkbeard:
Yeah. Piss on ‘im.
Immanentize
@Martin: It is not a pretty face. I’m horrified and even embarrassed for him. How do I explain this to my students?
I guess I tell them that they should now know they are ready to be better attorneys than Castor. I weep for my profession
geg6
How did this guy ever become a prosecutor? Did he ever convict anyone? Or did juries just sleep through him and make up their own minds without having to take his idiocy into account?
It’s really pretty confusing to me how he got where he is.
CaseyL
Impeachment trial – I keep tuning in to Castor every once in a while, and when he’s not extolling the wonderfulness of the Senators, he’s giving history lessons. Not addressing the prosecution’s case at all – though, honestly, there’s no rebuttal that wouldn’t be an insult to the intelligence of an average hedgehog.
Old School
Castor should try using a cat filter.
SiubhanDuinne
@Immanentize:
Aaron Rupar is pretty funny about this dude. I am constitutionally incapable of linking tweets, but check out Aaron’s Twitter feed for some choice comments.
Starboard Tack
@CaseyL:
Even a dim one.
dmsilev
“Freedom of Speech” != “Freedom from Consequences”
sab
@trollhattan: Gonna fire the range, huh?
RaflW
@germy: Two Wheels Good* was an amazing Prefab Sprout album. A key part of the soundtrack of my high school years (yes I’m gettin’ old).
*Released under the album title “Steve McQueen” outside the U.S.
Benw
@The Moar You Know: the Dems can streamline this trial to make it simple and obvious that Trump incited the mob and is guilty AF.
After this, I really hope there is a looooong criminal investigation at all levels to find out who was actually behind the insurrection and who made sure law enforcement was insufficient, with fucking jail time for those who blow off the indictments.
Starboard Tack
@sab:
“Are you the guy who beat up the toaster?”
The Thin Black Duke
@The Moar You Know: The way you hold these people to account is ensuring that a Republican never wins an election ever again. Voting for Democrats isn’t political calculus anymore; it’s a moral imperative.
SiubhanDuinne
@Immanentize:
AND WHAT ABOUT THE MOB BOSS SUIT?
Or maybe a racetrack tout suit.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Immanentize: That was terrifying. It just happened, but the impact had faded a little
Leto
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: he works in mysterious ways… where Tom Brady is concerned :P
@Immanentize:
If you’d like a lot of tv time, lot of money from crazy monsters, and no reputation, well there’s a gig for you! Have you heard of the wingnut welfare circuit???
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize: I used to do tech support for attorneys, this does not surprise me.
Immanentize
CANCEL CULTURRRE!
Stop drinking! Then drink!
SiubhanDuinne
@Starboard Tack:
Has anybody called their band “Dim Hedgehog” yet? ‘Cause if not, I’m using it.
Immanentize
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I hope they paid you well, but they probably never paid you what you were worth.
TomatoQueen
Is this assclown done yet? I’ve retreated to a PBS channel wot has All Creatures Great and Small original version, and am waiting for tech support to call me back. Can’t work, can’t believe my eyes and ears.
Starboard Tack
@SiubhanDuinne:
Call me if you need a bassist. We can Zoom.
Immanentize
@SiubhanDuinne: Mister Walter Mitty?
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne:
(not watching, but)
patroclus
This is a terrible presentation by Bruce Castor.
debbie
I’m certainly no judge of attorneys, but this guy sucks.
RaflW
@Betty Cracker: So much to loathe, but “sacred landslide election” is a particularly twisted bit of insight into his dark hole-space of an ego.
And that use of sacred likely isn’t wholly separate from whatever today’s clergy invocation was supposed to mean. Chrsitianist right wingers are nuts.
dmsilev
Now he’s making an actual argument. Not a good or cogent or convincing argument, but at least it is recognizably an argument. Progress!
dmsilev
@TomatoQueen: Hate to be the one to break this to you, but he and his colleague have another hour or so worth of time left.
Starboard Tack
@zhena gogolia:
The defense could be just duck farts and bicycle horns. Same effect.
artem1s
really, he thinks pointing out that the Clenis blowjob wasn’t the proper use of the impeachment powers? that Newt being pissed about his seating on AF1 is the same as the Congressional staffers not wanting to get murdered while on the job?
CaseyL
I’m just gonna stick around for the rebuttal. Though I’m not sure how you rebut irrelevant mush.
Castor’s point, insofar as he seems to have one, is that people shouldn’t be held accountable for what they do when they’re angry. That’s an…. interesting take from a former prosecutor.
Immanentize
@debbie: You seem to be an excellent judge of attorneys
patroclus
This is the very definition of blather…
SiubhanDuinne
Mother of god, this man is curdling my soul.
dmsilev
“Nebraska is quite a judicial-thinking place”
Betty Cracker
OMFG, this Castor guy is awful.
Starboard Tack
@dmsilev:
Needs dressing.
trollhattan
@sab:
It’s a mere toddler at two years, but needs to straighten up!
TomatoQueen
@dmsilev:
@Starboard Tack: I’ll try the duck horns and bicycle farts, just for variety when I’m done with the hour of duck farts and bicycle horns. Two hours? Unspeakable.
mrmoshpotato
@Starboard Tack:
What did ducks farts and bicycle horns ever do to you?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize: Heh, enough to buy enough booze to forget the day each night.
cain
Which will also be declared unconstitutional because you can’t be held accountable for anything you did as President cuz you are no longer the president. It’s like the slate is wiped clean! ::sarcasm::
NotMax
@Immanentize
Now am picturing if it had been the anime filter instead.
;)
patroclus
I thought he was supposed to address the constitutionality of proceeding with an impeachment trial of a former President. Has he addressed that yet?
geg6
I almost caught a glimmer of an argument there on the 14th Amendment. But now he’s off the rails again. I am gobsmacked at this guy.
SiubhanDuinne
@CaseyL:
Truly, if I were one of the House impeachment managers I’d be laughing my ass off at this point.
laura
45 is getting his money’s worth from this dried up jizz rag of an attorney.
ByRookorbyCrook
Remembry, Remembry the 6th of January
The Trumpian Treason and Plot
I know of no reason
The Trumpian Treason
Should ever be forgot
Starboard Tack
@mrmoshpotato:
Don’t get me started.
CaseyL
OMG! Castor just said the real reason for the trial is because Democrats are afraid of having T* around as a political rival. WTF??
And now saying the Democrats are afraid of the American people. I have no idea what the everlasting fuck he’s getting at.
Peale
@Benw: I don’t want a long investigation. Anyone we convict is just going to get pardoned anyway the second the GOP wins the presidency. So we need to get them in jail earlier rather than later so at least they have to spend some time in jail. Even 3 months for loitering is better than nothing.
Immanentize
I have to teach in under an hour. If I don’t stop watching this my whole brain is going to slither out of my nose, so I better put on my suit and review and prepare and
OHMYGODTHATWASCRACRA!
/S/ one who has seen and read transcripts of some really bad lawyering.
dmsilev
@patroclus: It’s kind of hard to tell. Maybe?
Ken
“Despite”, with two meanings: an injury; a feeling of contempt or disdain.
Betty Cracker
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Obligatory
Martin
@Immanentize: I don’t know. Is this guy a hero willing to defend a deranged client with almost no time to prepare, or is he the idiot that decided he was willing to bullshit the US Senate in order to get his 30 seconds?
I have to think all of the other qualified lawyers considered their ethical responsibilities and noped out, and that itself is pretty good.
CaseyL
“Congress shall make no law…abridging… all of these things.”
“Easy to defend free speech when it’s popular.” OK, he is going there. The Free Speech defense.
Starboard Tack
@Ken:
Yes!! I remember now. Doesn’t quite have the gut punch I need.
SiubhanDuinne
@laura:
Well played, you.
dmsilev
“T**** attorney calls for arrest of former President T****”
Sparkedcat
“Congress shall make no law abridging all of these things”
Bruce Castor
February 9th, 2021
Cermet
@Immanentize: Called protecting their own ass – if they vote to convict, they will be primaried and lose the power (i.e. access to mountains of money.) Their ass, not the county, the office or their oath matters at all to them. These are the real lizzard people.
Sphouch
The old adage is, when the facts are on your side, you pound on the facts. When the law is on your side you pound on the law. When neither is on your side, you pound on the table.
Bad lawyers make bad arguments, part of why I never went to trial law was that I had enough self-awareness to avoid it. But when bad lawyers have bad facts to work from, they are going to look even worse.
Could I, with one case ever under my belt, have done better? Maybe. But I know enough to not get myself into this position, irrespective of the promised paycheck.
patroclus
His last two sentences (out of 50 minutes) were kind of an argument. But that’s it. What a waste of time
Epstein’s and Stone’s lawyer up next (David Schoen).
Leto
Two hours of incoherent ramble. Or close to two hours. Got a warm pulse? You too can be a Trumpov defense attorney.
SiubhanDuinne
Okay, here’s Schoen. Let’s see if he’s any better than Castor. (He can’t possibly be any worse, can he?)
LuciaMia
So part of his argument is that cause the American people elected Biden that somehow negates any crime Trump may have committed while still Prez.
Starboard Tack
@SiubhanDuinne:
If it has to do with T***** it can always be worse.
geg6
@SiubhanDuinne:
Hold his beer.
CaseyL
Schoen is up. At least he’s talking about something specific and related to the impeachment case.
Going straight to the Constitutionality and jurisdiction argument.
artem1s
he thinks the danger is to the institution of the presidency, so yea, he can.
dmsilev
@SiubhanDuinne:
“Challenge accepted”
Just Chuck
It’s not like T’s lawyers need to make any kind of argument. They know the jury is already fixed.
Almost Retired
OK, Schoen is just angry and creepy. As a lawyer, I wish I could offer a more insightful comment, but that’s all I got at the moment.
Just One More Canuck
@Sparkedcat: bad court thingy
raven
I’m no fucking lawyer but there is no other kind of planning than pre-planning.
geg6
This is Roger Stone’s lawyer isn’t it? He reminds me of him.
debbie
This other guy seems like Gym’s soulmate.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
He’s not wearing a tie that looks as if it was made of pressed baby diarrhea as was the other guy, so there’s that.
;)
artem1s
Women’s March with pussy hats = violent riot and insurrection on Jan 6
raven
Bottlecap head!
geg6
Oh lord. He really is just like Roger Stone without the steam punk vibe. Just angry white guy vibes.
Betty Cracker
Yep, this lawyer is worse. Sweet weepin’ Jeebus.
Miki
Waiting for Schoen to take his jacket off – he’s got that Gym Jordan vibe.
RaflW
@LuciaMia: Well in that case, then we can finally relax about the Great Dijon Mustard Caper. Bygones!
Starboard Tack
@raven:
Afterwards you plan the lies.
SiubhanDuinne
Wait wait wait — he just took a swig of water from a bottle and held the top of his head with his other hand while he was drinking.
What in the everloving blue-eyed fuck was that all about?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto:
I think you have to first pass the bar, though any bar will do…Joe’s Bar in the corner might work.
Cameron
@mrmoshpotato: Gohmer-ti, Gohmer-ta, la,la,la, la, life goes on….
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
Nor the oversized pinstriped suit coat.
debbie
Now I’m hearing tones of Stephen Miller.
RaflW
@SiubhanDuinne: Just saw the clip. Is this some sort of bizarre performance art thing to make Trump’s glass-holding sips seem normal?
Starboard Tack
Have to work. Check you jackals later. Wish the comments had text to speech.
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne:
Twitter is trying to decide.
“These people are so bad at drinking water!”
geg6
Damn. I wish I had “imprimatur” on my bingo card.
SiubhanDuinne
He has twitchy hands.
Another Scott
@M31: I heard that live. It’s a really, really bad sign when (nearly) the first – prepared! – sentence out of your mouth is so profoundly wrong.
(Reminds me of a time when I was on a jury for a personal injury wrongful death (civil) case and the defense lawyer (probably the wrong term) showed a picture in his opening and said the driver who died could have driven around, when it was obvious that there was not anywhere close to enough room…)
But, we should expect nothing less from the lawyers that DJT managed to dig up who were willing to take the case.
Cheers,
Scott.
The Thin Black Duke
How are you guys watching this sober?
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke:
What makes you think they’re sober?
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
There’s a whole pantheon of them, isn’t there? The Rubio Reach, the Trump Two-Fister, and now this guy holding his scalp to make sure it doesn’t come flying off when he tilts his head back to drink. Bet he’s amusing at a dinner party.
Another Scott
@dmsilev: rofl.
Cheers,
Scott.
neldob
This jerk is over the top, “lust for impeachment”. Wow, nice. He’s a poet.
PPCLI
@Betty Cracker: Remember that this is the guy who, as DA, decided not to charge Bill Cosby. So we can assume his attitude is “Donald Trump is no more guilty than Bill Cosby was”.
NotMax
@The Thin Black Duke
Um, it’s 11a.m. here?
gvg
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Impeachment is political, so I wonder if you do have to be a lawyer and pass the bar. I am not sure that would be true, although it would be stupid not to have real lawyers defending you….so has anybody looked up this “lawyer”?
debbie
So the first attorney dismissively implies relying on the 18th century way of thinking is just silly, while the second attorney is quoting Hamilton? Do these guys talk to each other?
geg6
@PPCLI:
The current guy is the one who did such a great job on Roger Stone’s case. /s
Sloane Ranger
OK, the first lawyer has just spent an interminable amount of time incoherently arguing about everything except the the constitutional question they’re currently meant to be deciding.
This 2nd one is more articulate but his thought process seems to be as twisted as a pretzel, up is down and black is white.
Clearly Trump’s team’s plan is a) to bore the Senators to death, and b) to totally confuse any still left alive.
The Thin Black Duke
OK, guys. I would say “I stand corrected”, except that Yours Truly is lying down on the couch thinking about the Maker’s Mark and ginger beer I’m going to have in an hour.
brantl
@MomSense: It’s “rending”, not renting. Otherwise Stump will come strolling in, in a poorly fitting Napoleon Bonaparte costume….
Betty Cracker
@zhena gogolia: Someone on Twitter said he was covering his blowhole. LOL!
Sparkedcat
@The Thin Black Duke: Some of us are reasonably sober.
brantl
That’s because it isn’t.
Starboard Tack
@The Thin Black Duke:
I recommend Cock & Bull and rye. Bulleit or Bishop Rye or really any MGP product are fine for highballs.
Betty Cracker
Daniel Dale says Schoen covers his head when he drinks water for religious reasons.
Steve in the ATL
@gvg: anyone can be an attorney in fact–you just need someone to give you power of attorney. You do have to be admitted to the bar to be an attorney at law, however. No idea what is required to represent someone in a congressional hearing. It’s not a courtroom, so maybe bar membership is not required? Maybe Immanentize can explain after his class.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker:
Well, his speech here reveals a person of true godliness and honor. //
Sparkedcat
brantl
@raven: cover-ups are all post-planning.
LuciaMia
My God. When Schoen just came on, I went down to the laundry room, collected my clean laundry , chatted with a few residents and got my mail. Back upstairs got some turkey thighs and potatoes ready for the oven, rearranged the pantry, made a cup of tea. Just came back in here and THE GUY IS STILL SPEAKING!?!
catclub
@geg6:
Don’t need to be when you know the jury has been paid off.
Sm*t Cl*de
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
“Impeaching Democrats = good. Impeaching Republicans = bad.”
MomSense
@brantl:
Damn autocorrect!
J R in WV
@SiubhanDuinne:
He was afraid his Kippah was gonna fall off. He’s using bobby pins, but there isn’t enough hair to hold the assembly together.
NotMax
@J R in WV
Kippahed hairing?
:)
J R in WV
@J R in WV:
I see that I have been corrected — he’s covering his head with his hand, because he isn’t wearing his Kippah. For whatever reason.