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Firefox 86.0 – Asking for Info and 5 Volunteers

by WaterGirl|  February 24, 20215:50 pm| 75 Comments

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Firefox 86.0 is out, and it appears that the comment issue in Visual mode is, well, still an issue.

I believe the following to be true, please chime in to agree or disagree:

This is a problem with Firefox on Windows computers.

This is NOT a problem with Firefox on Mac computers.

This is NOT a problem with Firefox on iPads or iPhones.

This is NOT a problem with Firefox on Kindle.

Question:  Does the Firefox work properly in Visual mode on mobile devices?

*****

Volunteers

Steeplejack and Wolvesvalley have both done some testing on Windows, and it behaves differently for the two of them.

I am looking for 5 more volunteers who use Firefox with Windows, and are willing to do some serious testing.

Any volunteers?

 

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  1. 1.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 24, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    I can help.

  2. 2.

    Gus

    February 24, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    I can help.

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:00 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: @Gus:

    Firefox on Windows, I presume?

  4. 4.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 24, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes.

  5. 5.

    Gus

    February 24, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes.

  6. 6.

    Ken

    February 24, 2021 at 6:07 pm

    Windows, Firefox 86.0 here. Visual tab is working for “Leave a Comment.”  Problem was intermittent before, so I’ll try again, and try through Reply and Edit.​​​​

  7. 7.

    Ken

    February 24, 2021 at 6:10 pm

    Did not work on the second try through “Leave a Comment”, nor on Reply or Edit.

    I’m adding this with Reply, using the Text tab. When I switched to that, it had the tags with mce:


    <p data-mce-fragment="1"><a href="#comment-8093482" data-mce-fragment="1">@Ken</a>: ​</p>

    Switching back to Visual, that tab’s still not responsive and blank, but my comment is still in the Text tab.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:13 pm

    Testing participants:  We will start with just commenting, as opposed to Replying or Editing.

    Please update to Firefox 86.0

    Quit Firefox.

    Open Firefox again.

    Let’s test using Albatrossity’s Yucatan post

    Hit COMENT in the white bar, or scroll down to the Comment Box at the bottom

    Do you see a flashing cursor?  (yes or no)

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box.  Now do you see a flashing cursor?  (yes or no)

    Post a comment that says something like “first comment after opening Firefox and opening BJ”.

    Now head to the comment box again.

    Do you see a flashing cursor?  (yes or no)

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box.  Now do you see a flashing cursor?  (yes or no)

    I’d like to get that baseline info from all the testers before we go on to the next step.

    *****

    After going through that process the first time, please close all Balloon Juice tabs or windows and quit firefox.

    Then go back to the same OTR thread and do the same thing again, except that your comment should indicate that this is the second time you have opened Firefox and BJ fresh for the same process.

    Please report back in this thread to tell me the results of the first basic test of cursor/no cursor.

    Thanks.

  9. 9.

    Ken

    February 24, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Windows, FF 86.0

    Do you see a flashing cursor?  NO

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box.  Now do you see a flashing cursor?  YES

    Post a comment IT WORKED

    Now head to the comment box again.

    Do you see a flashing cursor?  NO

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box.  Now do you see a flashing cursor?  NO

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    February 24, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    If you need a Mac test to check that that’s OK, I’m happy to help.

  11. 11.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    @dmsilev: Me too, but I can’t do it for a few minutes

  12. 12.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    @dmsilev: If you can verify that all is good with Firefox on the Mac, that would be excellent!  Please run through the steps that I outlined and report back.  :-)

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    @Rob: Two mac Firefox testers would be great.

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    Status Report, Windows, Step 1:

    Consistently get the flashing cursor by clicking in the comment box, but ONLY the first time they comment after Firefox is open.

    Wolvesvalley

    Consistently get the flashing cursor by clicking in the comment box, whenever they comment after Firefox is open.  

    Steeplejack

    Inconsistent results – sometimes gets the flashing cursor by clicking in the comment box the first time they comment after Firefox is open, and sometimes doesn’t get the flashing cursor even on the first comment after closing Firefox and BJ and then re-opening Firefox and BJ fresh.

    Ken

    Waiting for results of the first testing step.

    Just Some Fuckhead
    Gus

  15. 15.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 24, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    I’m going to have to bow out. I didn’t realize we’d be starting now and I have other stuff going at the moment. Sorry! :)

  16. 16.

    Ken

    February 24, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    @WaterGirl: Tried again, and it’s not consistent.  This time on first opening FF, I did not get the cursor after clicking.  So for that run my answers to the Four Questions are NO, NO, NO, NO.

    Pity, I was going to say that you could close the ticket since we have a workaround.

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:30 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: You can come back later and do it.  I’ll keep this as the central thread for testing.

    Still willing to test, or no?

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:31 pm

    @Ken: Did you close the BJ window/tab before you closed Firefox?

    Or were the BJ threads still open, and opened automatically when you opened Firefox?

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    Testers: Please tell me whether you use an ad blocker, and if you do, please tell me which one you use.

  20. 20.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    Firefox 86.0 64-bit Win 10.

    Visual tab doesn’t exist under Leave a Comment and I have to click in comment field to get the blinky cursor.

    No code in response window as when replying to a comment. Now let me try a reply….

  21. 21.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Now I get the visual tab and have to click inside to get the cursor.

    I am using AdBlock.

    Will note that at other times today the visual tab was non-responsive when replying, and I needed to switch to text to populate the reply.

  22. 22.

    Ken

    February 24, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: I closed Firefox, and no tabs were open when I started it. My home page is an empty tab, I don’t preserve tabs across sessions.

    I just repeated the experiment, this time closing the BJ tab before closing FF.  Still getting NO, NO, NO, NO.

    I do not use an ad blocker.

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @trollhattan: If you don’t even see the Visual tab, that’s a different bug that we have had all the time.  Clicking on “click here to refresh” above the comment box brings back the Visual tab when that happens.

    Can you try that, and then close BJ and Firefox, and then re-open Firefox and BJ?  I need you to have the Visual tab AND a fresh open of Firefox in order to do the test.

    Are you willing to try again?

  24. 24.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 6:50 pm

    @trollhattan: ​
    Inconsistent with my comment above, I reply to my own comment and cannot use the Visual tab.

    Editing my comment, the Visual tab is not functional.

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:53 pm

    @trollhattan:  Are you willing to  turn off Ad Block for BJ when you are testing?

  26. 26.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    Hi WaterGirl #23

    After refresh I get both tabs and can comment in the Visual tab, after clicking inside the field to get the blinky cursor.

    [Practice edit] I have to switch to Text tab for this.

  27. 27.

    Dopey-o

    February 24, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    Firefox for Amazon Fire? Doesn’t appear to be available fron their app store! Currently using the Silk browser on my my Fire, and hating it.

  28. 28.

    dmsilev

    February 24, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    Here’s what I saw:

    Firefox 86.0 on Mac. On first loading page, only the Text option was available. Clicking the “click here to refresh” gave the Visual tab. No cursor, could not click in field (posting this in Text mode).

    Second comment. Visual mode is available, but no flashing cursor, either before or after clicking in the text box.

  29. 29.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    @trollhattan:

    [Practice reply] THIS time the Visual tab functions.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    @trollhattan: Refresh nearly always lets you get the blinking cursor when you click in the comment box.

    But for the initial test, I am trying to see what happens for each person WITHOUT hitting refresh.  That’s why it would help if you close BJ and close Firefox and then open it again.  IF you have the Visual tab at that point, I need you to run through there steps outlined in comment #8.

    Once i establish the baseline for each tester – do you get the flashing cursor if you click in the box the first time, and subsequent times – and then I will take everyone through a round where we try the 4 different ways to refresh and see what works and what doesn’t work.

  31. 31.

    mvr

    February 24, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    I’m now using the visual tab and do seem to be able to post without switching to the text tab. So that is improvement and firefox told me it updated earlier today.  It is now 86.0 on a Windows 10 machine.

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    @trollhattan: Comment and reply have completely different code, so first I am trying to establish what happens with comment.  THEN we can get to trying Reply and then after that Edit.  :-)

  33. 33.

    mvr

    February 24, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    @mvr: ​
     On the other hand to reply to myself I needed to go to the text tab.

  34. 34.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    @mvr: Are you willing to run through the steps at #8, exactly as outlined?  And let me know what your results are?

    Also, do you run an ad blocker, and if so, which one?

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 6:59 pm

    @mvr: We will test REPLY later. First I need to see what is happening with each person for Comments.

  36. 36.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    Hi WaterGirl #25
    With AdBlock “paused” for the site I cannot use Visual tab.

  37. 37.

    danielx

    February 24, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    Both tabs visible with Enhanced Tracking Protection on….

    Firefox 86.0, Windows 10 version 1909

  38. 38.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    @trollhattan: Have you tried what I outlined at #30?

  39. 39.

    danielx

    February 24, 2021 at 7:03 pm

    But can’t get a cursor in the Visual tab with Enhanced Tracking Protection on.

  40. 40.

    dmsilev

    February 24, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    Given the conversation, the other thing I should note about the Mac test was that the page never came up with the Visual tab enabled; I always had to hit the “click here to refresh” link. Tried it several times; it was very consistent. This is an almost entirely bare Firefox configuration, no ad-blockers or anything like that (only extension is for an application called Zotero, for downloading & managing academic journal articles).

  41. 41.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    Do you see a flashing cursor?  NO
    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box.  Now do you see a flashing cursor?  YES
    Post a comment IT WORKED​
    NB results here and below with AdBlock paused, FF closed and reopened.​​
     
    ETA carriage returns vanished when editing comment.

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:07 pm

    Now head to the comment box again.

    Do you see a flashing cursor?  NO

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box.  Now do you see a flashing cursor?  YES

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    @trollhattan: Okay, tell me if this is a correct summary.

    WITH YOUR AD BLOCKER PAUSED

    Once you closed BJ and closed Firefox and opened them again AND had the visual tab present…

    You get the flashing cursor for your first comment when you click in the comment box, AND you get it for the second comment when you click in the box.

    Without any kind of refresh in between comment 1 and comment 2.

    Is that correct?

  44. 44.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​
     
    Yes, your summary is spot on.

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    @trollhattan: Okay, so you behave like Steeplejack, at least on this first test.

    Are you willing to close out of everything and try the whole thing at #8 one more time?

    With you ad blocker paused, correct?

  46. 46.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: 
    Can I be the arm-waving, annoying student and tell you that when I try to post in the thread below this one I can’t get the Visual tab to work even with refreshes?
    –That Guy

    Okay, I’ll try your request in this one, now.

  47. 47.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:32 pm

    @trollhattan: Only if you want me to cry. :-)

    not literally.

  48. 48.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 7:34 pm

    @WaterGirl:  I am ready to go now as I finally closed Firefox after downloading the new version 90 minutes ago

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    My #2 full try.
    Comment 1
    No flashing cursor initially
    No flashing cursor after clicking inside field, comment using Text tab.
    Comment 2, staying inside thread
    No flashing cursor initially
    No flashing cursor after clicking inside field, comment using Text tab.
    Restart FF, leave AdBlock on OFF
    No flashing cursor.
    Cursor appears after clicking in field, able to comment.
    Restarting FF restored the ability to use Visual tab,​

  50. 50.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 7:39 pm

    Hit COMENT in the white bar, or scroll down to the Comment Box at the bottom
    I scrolled down

    Do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    No

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box. Now do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    Yes

    Post a comment that says something like “first comment after opening Firefox and opening BJ”.
    Done

    Now head to the comment box again.

    Do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    No

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box. Now do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    Yes

    ETA: macOS Catalina Version 10.15.7, and Firefox automatically deletes all cookies upon closing

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    @trollhattan: I thought we were testing with Ad Block off?

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    @Rob: Interesting.  Yours works as it should.  so far.

    Are you willing to close all BJ tabs, quit Firefox, and go through the entire #8 again to see if that is repeatable?

    If you don’t see the visual tab, you need to click on “click here to refresh”, then quit BJ and Firefox and don’t start the process at #8 until you open BJ and the Visual and Text tabs are both there.

  53. 53.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 7:51 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​
     
    Uh, er, it was off. Another word starting with “o”. My bad!

  54. 54.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 7:53 pm

    Second time as per instructions and before I saw Watergirl’s post #52:

    Do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    No

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box. Now do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    No (Had been yes the first time)

    Post a comment that says something like ‘second comment after opening Firefox and opening BJ’.
    Done

    Now head to the comment box again.

    Do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    No

    If you did not have a flashing cursor, click anywhere inside the comment box. Now do you see a flashing cursor? (yes or no)
    Yes

  55. 55.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 7:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: I just went through the process as outlined in post #8 in this thread, and before I saw this post (#52). One of the four steps was different.

    FWIW I have AdBlock Plus and UBlock Origin going on every tab all the time

    ETA this is the second time I’ve edited this post and the Visual box was blank when I hit edit, so I clicked on Text.

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:56 pm

    @trollhattan: You were just messing with me!  :-)

    I edited the comment we are discussion (for clarity).

  57. 57.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 7:58 pm

    @Rob: Okay.  I think maybe next time we should all test with all ad blockers off and see if we can get something consistent then.

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have had enough fun for tonight.

  58. 58.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 8:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: So we test without ad blockers on another night?

    Also, I have the same three tabs open every time I open Firefox. I don’t know if that affects results. All other sites I go to I open manually.

  59. 59.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    WaterGirl, one last thing (which maybe I missed upstream because I haven’t read every comment): I went up to comment #8, clicked on the link to Albatrossity’s thread, went to the comment box, and this time did not see the tabs labeled “Visual” or “Text”. The color of the other tabs above the comment box told me I was in Text.
    Thank you for doing this.​

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    @Rob: Yes, having those tabs open may be making a difference.

    Maybe we can all test again tomorrow evening, with ad blockers off.

  61. 61.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    @Rob: That is an occasional bug that has been there since the beginning.  I addressed how to deal with that so it won’t affect our testing – in comment #52 above.

  62. 62.

    mvr

    February 24, 2021 at 8:16 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​ Sorry missed the bit about coming back here:
    No flashing cursor after I hit comment in the white bar at the top.No flashing cursor when I click in the boxNo ability to type until I change over to the test box.
    Same result when I scroll down to the comment box after doing that.
    I tried to edit a typo in my first comment and could not do it.
    But then I was able to post just fine when I went back to report that in the other thread.​
     
    All with adblock off.

  63. 63.

    sherparick

    February 24, 2021 at 8:16 pm

    This is a problem with Firefox on Windows computers. Yes. At least on my computer using Firefox.

    This is NOT a problem with Firefox on Mac computers. I don’t know.

    This is NOT a problem with Firefox on iPads or iPhones. I don’t know

    This is NOT a problem with Firefox on Kindle. I don’t know.

    I just click on “Text” and all is well.

  64. 64.

    Rob

    February 24, 2021 at 8:46 pm

    @WaterGirl: which was in reply to me. :-o where did my glasses go?​​

  65. 65.

    trollhattan

    February 24, 2021 at 8:46 pm

    Hey, let’s try Chrome (88.0) in Win 10.

    No initial cursor in Visual tab comment window.

    Cursor appears when clicking in window, comment commences.

    Apologies for the off-topic post. Carry on.

  66. 66.

    Nukular Biskits

    February 24, 2021 at 8:49 pm

    Just updated to v86 (64-bit) using Windows 10.

    Posting this from the “Visual” tab.

  67. 67.

    There go two miscreants

    February 24, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    In the OTR post, I did NOT get a flashing cursor or the I-beam cursor in the Visual tab in any case. I was able to comment using the Text tab. Clicking in the Visual tab did not make any difference.

    However, for this comment right here, the Visual tab worked just fine!

  68. 68.

    There go two miscreants

    February 24, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    But now it does not! (posted from Text tab)

    ETA: No “mce” when editing. Win10 Home 64bit, FF86.0 64bit.

  69. 69.

    PJ

    February 24, 2021 at 9:50 pm

    I didn’t read the comments, but I have a Mac and use Firefox, and I can only enter comments in text mode.

  70. 70.

    Gvg

    February 24, 2021 at 9:52 pm

    At work on a Mac in Firefox 75 I have the tab problem recently. I didn’t used to, just this week I think. I don’t upgrade at work because so many work programs are optimized for certain versions and things get wonky if I am in the newest version. They tell us to upgrade when they have things ready. I don’t know if this is useful information and I am not at work now.

  71. 71.

    Wolvesvalley

    February 24, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    Using Firefox 86.0 in Windows 10 64-bit. I just tried turning off my ad blocker (uBlock Origin). I did not get the flashing cursor in visual mode when I clicked in the comment box, even though it was the first time after I restarted Firefox and came to Balloon Juice. I had to hit Refresh to get the cursor.

  72. 72.

    Wolvesvalley

    February 24, 2021 at 10:36 pm

    I exited Balloon Juice but not Firefox (I opened another site on a new tab and closed the BJ tab), then came back to Balloon Juice on a another new tab. This time I got a flashing cursor as soon as I clicked in the comment box. uBlock Origin is still turned off.

    This is the opposite of what has happened with uBlock Origin turned on.

  73. 73.

    WaterGirl

    February 24, 2021 at 10:57 pm

    @Wolvesvalley:

    This is the opposite of what has happened with uBlock Origin turned on.

    That’s interesting.  I wonder if that is repeatable.

  74. 74.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    February 25, 2021 at 12:08 am

    @WaterGirl: ​
     

    My first “close all tabs, exit firefox, go to https://balloon-juice.com/2021/02/22/on-the-road-albatrossity-yucatan-1, and scroll down to the box, worked beautifully. Flashing cursor in the text box.

    Once the first comment posted, the second attempt to create a new comment had no cursor, and clicking in the visual tab-box didn’t help.

  75. 75.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 25, 2021 at 11:12 am

    @WaterGirl: Depends on how my schedule shakes out today and if you still need me. :)

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