Republicans have spent the past week complaining about their plastic potatoes not having secondary sexual characteristics and defending honor of evolutionary dead ends while Democrats argue how to best give Americans 2 trillion dollars, but its Democrats who are bad at politics.
— Tentin Quarantino (@agraybee) March 5, 2021
Qanon is the future of the party. The whole big money wing has faded into nothing. Even the evangelicals are only relevant insofar as they get on board with the nutbags.
— Tentin Quarantino (@agraybee) March 5, 2021
Funnily enough, I’ve been looking for — and failing to find — ‘jokes’ about Gender Neutral Barbie. Mattel actually brought out a line of multi-ethnic ‘Creatable World’ choose-your-own-presentation dolls, back in 2019, and I don’t remember one jeremiad about how seeing ‘she-male’ dolls at WalMart or Target was yet another sign of the fall of the American empire. Either toys in the girls’ aisles weren’t important enough to get upset over, or (my personal suspicion) the usual Wingnut Wurlitzer subjects didn’t feel the need for a Kulturkampf campaign right at that moment…
It has been a very good day.
Wait until the GOP latch onto the bill in CA that would ban boys/girls clothing sections in department stores. No idea if it has a chance of passing.
It sure was. Surprised we haven’t front paged that amazing maneuver by Schumer on the cloture vote to get Merrick Garland in.. he’ll get voted by the Senate further down.
Those idiots spent ten hours on some stupid shit and then got tired and left leaving the senate to still have 2/3rd voting and Schumer pounced and got that and I think one other thing passed.
Good call, Schumer! We are learning!
I’m curious as to what effect that would have. I don’t really care I guess – but I might feel irritated if I can’t find stuff.
TS (the original)
Try this one
Outrage, racism, classism, religious intolerance and white supremacy, rejection not just of social norms but the abandonment of reason and common sense and simple decency.
I don’t worry the Democrats will never do enough, I’m worried we’ll never get the chance to keep the ship afloat this time around.
Why is Beaker in that cartoon? I haven’t kept up with any of this.
I frequently use the Twitter hashtag #AllRepublicanOutrageIsFake (because it is), but it never seems to catch on. Too long, I guess.
Anyone else hear the voice of Don Rickles as Potatohead in the first cartoon? No, just me?
@Jerzy Russian: Wingnuts are outraged that some episodes of the original Muppet Show (now on Disney+) have warning messages before them. I think they’ve declared that’s “cancelling,” too, somehow. I don’t expect their crap to make any sense.
In space no one can see your genitalia.
@Martin: I had to process this for a while. If I had to guess, it would be like, better quality = boys, so… and that IS so true about a lot of clothes. It’s a beyond-stupid bill of course.
@SectionH: I remember a woman writing once that men’s shirts were cheaper than women’s of the same size, but the buttons were on the opposite side. That. Was. All.
@Martin: Has anyone proposed outlawing gender reveal parties yet? Especially the kind where people get injured or killed by stray shrapnel?
People are nuts.
“The Sprats department is on the third floor.”
@Jerzy Russian: Redshift beat me to it, but still.. Big Bird is the one that shouldn’t be there, particularly. One of the “vital issues” that the wingnuts have recently latched onto is that Disney has put The Muppet Show on Disney+, with some episodes including a very mild opening disclaimer about content. (Ethnic sterotypes, some of the jokes aimed at Miss Piggy, use of the Confederate flag in the Johnny Cash episode, that sort of thing.) THIS IS CANCEL CULTURE!
And one episode is banned entirely, because the host of the week Chris Langham was eventually outed as a possessor of child pornography. (Langham was an unknown writer on the show at the time, and had to fill in after Richard Pryor failed to show up. Along with the.. ugh.. child porn problem, it’s a shame because Langham was very funny in the episode.)
Could be. Reminds me of when my niece was working at Hasbro a few years ago, and one of the mind-blowing about the company was the two divisions, “Toys” and “Girls’ Toys.”
In that little movie you linked to in the last thread, did you catch that Mitchum’s partner was Rockford’s dad? Wallace Beery Jr.
What I found most interesting is that fox et al spent the week obsessing over children’s shows/books/toys but no mention of what congress was actually getting accomplished.
I realize they don’t want the democrats to get credit, but there was little right wing media oppo to the ARA. Not that I watch oann or newsmax or fox, I just experience them once removed via twitter.
Yuppers. BTW, the subject of the film was about venereal disease – and was made to be shown not only to troops but also in civilian theaters as part of the pre-feature bill.
Oh, and it’s Noah Beery Jr.
I haven’t heard the name in awhile and thought I should look it up — but got lazy. My memory is not as sharp as it once was. At least I think I remember it once was.
@Geoduck: Thanks. It sounds even dumber than I expected, if that is possible.
@Chetan Murthy: Yeah, well, cheaper, AND lasted longer. I’ve never fit men’s jeans, sadly, but shirts are easy.. I mean, clothing, shoes, just the idea that you could find the same shoes you really liked again – that was what I paid attention to (esp when I started working retail.) The button-wrong thing was a way keep women’s shirts different, and of worse quality, cheaper fabric. Sound familiar?
@Chetan Murthy: Men’s clothes also have consistent sizing. Men’s jeans are waist/length. Women’s are ??? A size 16 in one store is a size 18 or a 14 in another. It’s infuriating.
@SectionH: I think it’s a combination of things. As noted by others, same clothes, different price. But also the basic gendering of clothing and enforcing those gender stereotypes by segregating them. Would also give a bit of incentive to clothes makers to make more non-gendered clothing. That’s particularly helpful with babies/infants and handing stuff down.
So, not sure that bill is going anywhere, and I’m certainly not qualified to determine its necessity, but I’m fine with it and I’m sure conservatives will freak the fuck out over it.
This isn’t new, and it isn’t Q. Remember wingnuts losing their shit over a commercial with the Star Spangled Banner being sung in other languages, way back during the Obama years? Republicanism is bigotry, and they get more insane as the larger culture leaves them behind. Trump made them hope they could be loud and proud. They hate, hate, hate that there are consequences to stuff like racist art they think is hilarious and grew up on. They don’t care about the economy. They love sticking it to the libs by being assholes about masks and Covid. What they care about is ‘cancel culture’, ie being publicly shamed for their assholery.
The Barbie thing just didn’t catch their attention. Mob psychology can only freak out about so many things at once.
So, the GQP creatures are doing nothing for $174,000 a year? They should do some honest work, like cleaning the restrooms at all night truck stops.
@Darkrose: And mens clothing carries multiple dimensions. My inseam isn’t going to change in my life, but my waist will. Every woman I’ve known has told me they’re a size x upper body, size y lower, or length or whatever.
No wonder we have body image issues – heaven forbid your hips don’t match your shoulders.
Isn’t being enraged about stupid shit exhausting, you Trump-humping RWNJs?
I ask because I’m exhausted over all of the stupid shit you work yourselves into a tizzy over.
Yes, preaching to the choir. I just had to say it. Good night.
I hate Gibson. They raised the prices on Epiphone’s 335-type semihollow electric guitars – the Dot and the ES-335. Now the Dot has gone from RM1,50 to RM1,900, the ES-335 from RM1,850 to RM2,400, and the budget 335-type guitars from other makers are all sold out. I hate Gibson for thwarting the fulfillment of my GAS.
Can Guitar Acquisition Syndrome ever truly be fulfilled?
@Darkrose: Well, yeah. If I grab one of the Unisex T’s I ‘ve dealt with – for real, Gildan and Fruity Wombie and the H one are all t-shirt makers and their sizes are over the place. You can’t rely on any of them. LATs – all women’s are pretty nice all over the place too, depending on the year they were made.
Otoh, How is this different from every other clothes experience American women have had?
I think it’s because men are all kinda shaped the same way. And women aren’t.
@Martin: Or vice versa.
Believe me, it’s easier to hem your trousers than most any other job about clothes I can think of, and I still use vintage 1978 Singer sewing machine.
But I think you have women in your life whom you listen to… so I’m smiling.
There are guitars and then there are guitars.
Of course it can. All it takes is one more guitar …
@cain: and some commenters a are super super concerned if we reformed the filibuster to make it so the minority has to actually worry and carry all the wait that the GOP will go hog wild with them even more so than they do with the painless filibuster.
p.s. for those that are “learn your history of your filibuster”. Do me a favor go find how long vote a ramas normally last under reconciliation. By design they rarely happen more than once or twice a year. A time when senators can bring amendments up with no official end in sight until the senators get tired of bringing them up.
We should cower in our boots at that prospect of the GOP holding the floor for weeks on end while their colleagues can just send themselves home to fundraise, relax, campaign, etc while keeping 4-6 rotating senators to occasionally pop in and go “are there 40 plus senators sustaining debate?”
I don’t get you people at all. You’re actually OK with a plastic potato claiming a different gender than the one God assigned it at birth? Have you no decency? At long last, have you no decency?
Ack. Linky fix.
There are guitars and then there are guitars.
I just found out Oakland banned leafblowers a month ago! How did Hannity not get that memo? What will we do with all these leaves? Are Biden’s invaders bringing their rakes?
Hey, at least they weren’t complaining about Eleanor Roosevelt Barbie
I’m not really in the market for an acoustic gun.
Hey, it takes place near the end of the Civil War. They didn’t have a lot of choice.
@cain: Adam scooped all of the media on Schumer’s clever cloture vote on Garland. For at least a couple of hours after we found out about it, there was nothing about Garland coming up when we searched for it on Google, except for stories that were 5 days old. mr opiejeanne was the one who realized it and he’s still laughing about BJ getting the scoop.
Between Adam, Cheryl, AL, and BC, I don’t bother to go anyplace else (well, ok, LG&M) for “policy news”, whether domestic, foreign, or ‘Rona. B-J, your one-stop shop! I still have a WaPo subscription, but mostly b/c I feel like somebody’s gotta pay for decent national journalism, might as well be me.
@Martin: In 1988 I went shopping for our daughters, ages 5 & 9, for a vacation. We went to Sears and there were no jeans for girls except for one pair for “chubby girls” that wasn’t the right size for either girl, and they were quite frankly very ugly. So we went to the boys’ section and picked out some acid-washed jeans, and asked if the girls could try them on. The clerk was a young man, maybe 19, and he nearly had a conniption fit.
“Ma’am, these are BOYS’ jeans!”
I shrugged, “So?”
They fit perfectly, looked great on them, and the girls were happy. I still wonder about why that was so upsetting for that clerk, that little girls might wear boys’ clothing.
It was a train vacation, from LA to Glacier National Park with stops in Seattle, SF, and Santa Barbara.
@Chetan Murthy: Also, Men’s suits used to come with alterations at no extra charge. Women’s clothing did not.
@patrick II: Noah Beery, jr was Rockford’s dad. He’s Wallace’s nephew.
Interesting piece on Big Bad Joe Manchin in the Atlantic:
@Chetan Murthy: Between BJ and Twitter* I almost always know what Rachel Maddow is going to talk about that evening, sometimes Lawrence too.
*Carefully curated list of people I follow on Twitter. I still see trolls, because they’re everywhere, but I either mute or block them.
He didn’t like that he might be wearing the same jeans as a girl!
I mean how could he go on living if he knew that there were girls wearing the same jeans as he was? Girls are icky doncha know?
It is so asinine but it comes from a time when gender was very rigid, dad went to work in a suit and all females wore dresses. It’s the Donna Reed show, in real life. It’s bullshit of course….
Life goes a lot easier if you listen.
@Ruckus: when I was a kid in the 1950s men seemed like a different species. They didn’t dress, act, or think like those I perceived as people -women and children.
So, the family detention policy is ending. The detention centers are being converted to processing. Families being processed will stay no more than 72 hours. Looks like unaccompanied minors will have a similar approach though with a check of the guardian if the minor has a destination, and the feds will work with non-profits to arrange travel, etc.
@opiejeanne: Though there were a couple of Rockford Files episodes (pilots?) where someone else played his dad…
Gaspard de la Nuit [The Night Custodian] by Maurice Ravel, performed by Stewart Goodyear:
That was so slick and smooth???
There go two miscreants
On my way back in the time machine to kill Hitler, I’m going to stop off and kill the guy who invented leaf blowers.
There go two miscreants
They did come in handy during the recent protests though, so there’s that.
@Amir Khalid: Sounds like GAS is similar to bicycle number rule. The correct number of bicycle (guitars) is N + 1, where N is the number of bicycles (guitars) that you currently own. Or S – 1, where S is the number of bicycles (guitars) that would cause your spouse to leave you.
Well I am very proud to say that I am still wearing the same size of jeans that I wore in High School; 34″ inseam. Top that!
Dorothy A. Winsor
When you’re talking kids’ clothes, there’s little reason to divide them by gender. Pre-pubescent bodies are obviously less differentiated. So instead you wind up with pink t-shirts and Hello Kitty for girls and darker colors for boys. IOW, the clothes are doing the gendering rather than gender demanding the different clothes.
JFC, back in the day (i.e., a few years before I was born) men’s suits used to come with two pairs of pants – they were considered everyday wear, and trouser cuffs and
tukhisseat would wear out long before the jacket.
 “With someone you adore/ If you should find romance/ You’ll pant and pant once more/And that’s. A. Pair. Of. Pants.” (Allan Sherman, “One Hippopotami”)
 “Business casual”–?!?! Was bedeutet dieser “business casual”??? Even lowly workingmen and laborers would change into whatever specialized clothing the job required and then at shift’s end change right back out into their (probably only, and likely marginally) presentable suit.
 And does anyone recall “perfect menders”? Specialized but highly skilled tailors who could fix a hole or a tear in a suit so well it wouldn’t be noticed? …I didn’t think so…
Yes. This. My husband watches Rachel religiously, and I have usually already posted on Facebook everything she is covering, earlier in the day, thanks to Raw Story and BJ… I’m not allowed to watch anymore, because I am saying stuff out loud on the topic before she says it – so now I go to my room and log into BJ while he watches in peace LOLOL
Tentin Quarantino via Anne Laurie @ Top:
To be fair, Evangelicals are the GOP’s original nutbags – for example, Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority from 1979 to the late 1980’s.
Between their media boycotts and their anti-gay, anti-feminist, and xenophobic rhetoric, Moral Majority was pretty much the original Cancel Culture too.
Is there a way to find out S, other than by experiment?
As the parent of a pre-pubescent boy, I have SO many thoughts on the way kids’ clothes are gendered, and none of them are complimentary. Boys’ clothes are boring. And the decisions made about style show little empathy for the reality of kids’ experiences. “Girl” shorts are all short-shorts now, while “boy” shorts are all board-short length. Neither are optimum for extended play time in hot weather.
My husband and I made the decision early to tell our son that there weren’t boy clothes or girl clothes; you just like what you like, and while he clearly identifies as a boy (because, hmm… maybe gender identity and sexual preference is not something that society can decide for you, right?) his wardrobe is filled with unicorns and bright colors because wearing colorful stuff is fun. I swear, I think it’s why superheroes continue to have such a hold on boys; it’s one of the few areas that society deems it “appropriate” for masculine characters to be wearing bright colors and cut an unusual silhouette.
I also think it’s why sneakers are such big business; again, one of the few areas society says it’s acceptable for boys and men to display the kinds of colors and patterns that are all over girl’s/women’s clothing.
And it’s a shame. We have no problem with a girl wearing boy clothes, but the thought of a boy wearing “girl” clothes? That says something really bad about how we view the value of girls vs boys. Dorothy A Winsor is right; the clothes are dictating gender. And it’s a good example of toxic masculinity being bad for the male gender, because we limit the range of young male expression and creativity when we tell them they can’t wear something because it’s “for girls.”
Of course, the bill being proposed in California doesn’t apply to clothing, so while it’s a step in the right direction, it’s the tiniest of (gender neutral) baby steps.
J R in WV
Amir, my next-door neighbor restores guitars, fiddles, etc, and sells them via a Facebook site… perhaps he could help?
He’s an interesting guy, copy editor for a former great local paper now shrinking all the prize winners are gone now, paul’s just glad he can retire to his music and instruments soon.
J R in WV
@There go two miscreants:
But… here in West Virginia we use leafblowers to fight forest fires ? and for many farm and forest procedures… not merely incessant lawn grooming and drive cleaning. Even snow blowing if it’s fluffy snow…
Like so many things, there are good practices and poor ones. MO
@Ken: Push N until S threatens to leave…
Age 50 when child was born (with “male” equipment) and child had always strongly identified as a “boy” (now 5) while maturing. Likes to play with girls and boys but generally prefers energetic play and toys that transform or have wheels. Skips the “pink” aisle in department store toy sections despite me trying to go down this with him. The toys are simply of no interest to him.
Interesting to watch gender approaches of some other younger parents today. I’m totally supportive of LGBTQ interests, but honestly never really considered genderless upbringing. We met a young child (age 2 or 3-ish) at the playground. Fun kid. Parents often ask each other how old their kid is to assess skills for co-play, so I asked, based on appearance and behavior of child, “How old is he?” The response was, “We don’t use that word.” I was surprised. Got my first lesson on genderless pronouns for pre-schoolers. Lots of interesting questions to consider and some genuine musing over the pros and cons of withholding sexual identity to a developing child with lots of questions about why their sex organs are visible but their playmate’s sex organs are not. Do developing children benefit from some degree of gender identification or are they harmed by this? Dunno… I previously thought inclusive thinking and embracing diversity was a solid approach but hadn’t really contemplated gender denial.
@BellyCat: We start gendering children from the time we know which sexual organs they have, in oodles of ways. Some of them we’re not even aware of consciously doing.
And we relabel things so as to not give in to the toxic masculinity-inspired fear of not being masculine “enough.” As has been said before, boys play with dolls just as much as girls do; it’s just that their dolls are called “action figures.”
That said, I think a one-size-fits-all approach to gender, even in not acknowledging gender is probably not the answer, either. The keyword is diversity- diverse, lots of different ways of getting through this thing called life. I have a few friends whose children (same cohort as my kid), despite having been referred to with gender pronouns corresponding to their sexual organs since birth, have, over the past few years, let their parents know they prefer “they.” And their parents have been open and flexible and supportive.
I think that’s the best we can do- let our kids have as much space as possible to explore their world, without us telling them something is for boys or girls.
Is that because of the previous administration’s tariff programs? If so, maybe they’ll be ending soon.
Flanders Other Neighbor
@Ken: I’m not aware of any. It was bicycles for me for 20+ years, but now it’s motorcycles. I ask the question, “Will she divorce me over this?”, and so far I’ve been lucky and the found the answer is no.
They don’t worry about the barbie-kid thing for the same reason they don’t worry about “women” (trans men) competing in men’s sports.
They’re not worried about accidentally fucking a female that looks like a male. The conservative obsession with trans people circles back to the conservative obsession with gays -complete and utter sexual insecurity.
At least, that’s the men’s side. I am curious why so many women – particularly self-proclaimed feminists – seem to be so hot about this. Particularly in England.
@Cameron: “At long last”? Man, we been here.
@Nicole: I concur. Very young children benefit from structure in many areas. It helps them make sense of the world. As they age, their ability to shape and break these structures should be supported. Seems like the best we parents can do — show love regardless of desired choices.
The Moar You Know
@BellyCat: Gender denial is as insane as gender insistence. We as a society are going to have a time navigating this, and in the bargain are going to have to learn some tolerance and acceptance for the many cultures worldwide that won’t agree with the way we do or see things.
In 1972 this short story was published in the “Stories for Free Children” section of Ms. magazine.
(I’ve always preferred the children’s book “William’s Doll”, published in the same time period, with a grandfather modeling non-toxic masculinity.)
It’s interesting how societal fashions go in cycles. Everything old is new again. :)
@SectionH: I. Think it’s because clothes have become so “gendered” that some young people like to wear gender-neutral clothes that could be found in either department, and some kids actively like to wear the clothes associated with the other gender (or more). Having all the clothes together would make that easier, rather than having to invade the “other” department.
I grew up in the fifties, and I wore the same jeans my brothers did. Boys’ jeans.
@Wag: So you’re familiar with my spouse….. we currently have only 2 bicycles in the living room – the least number since as long as I can remember 3 in the backroom and 5 or 6 in the garage
Also, too, life long love of men’s wear and I credit auntie Suzi who rocked the Clark’s desert boot since back in the 50’s.
I always liked Eddie Izzard’s response when someone asked him why he was wearing women’s clothes. He said. “These aren’t ‘women’s clothes’, these are my clothes. I bought them. They belong to me.”
@Flanders Other Neighbor: Solid agreement on the topics at hand, but… ¿Por qué no los dos?
Fixed that fer ya!
(signed, Son of Redneck Refugees from Marion County WV)
Kids clothing solution: One department arranged in rainbow fashion. Let the wingnut tears flow…
@Wag: Just for the halibut, are you familiar with Avram Davidson’s “Or All the Seas with Oysters” – ? (If not, here’s a PDF)
The earth is being invaded by an alien race whose larval stage is identical to paper clips, pupal stage is identical to coathangers, and adult stage is identical to bicycles. No one knows it, but the story’s protagonist gradually understands what’s going on & confides in his friend, the narrator – who then finds him strangled by a coathanger wrapped around his neck.
Flanders Other Neighbor
@BellyCat: Indeed, but I think I finally settled on the dirt and road bikes that will serve me for a long, long time, so now it’s older/old motos that I can fix up to be looking like they are only a year or so old. You never get your money back on that sort of thing.
My wife is a good sport. I should probably buy her some flowers while I’m out later.
@Uncle Cosmo: Fritz LIeber’s “The Man who Made Friends with Electricity” is similar in some ways, including the unfortunate end met by the protagonist.
@Gravenstone: Him, or Gilbert Gottfried.
Go on reverb.com and order it from a dealer in the U.S.
This parallels my initial thoughts because the parents seem to be assigning mature decisions to an immature child. But IANACP (I am not a child psychologist) so what do I know. I thought maybe I had become an unintentional relic of (imaginary) halcyon days past.
There is ALWAYS a new guitar to lust after.
@Flanders Other Neighbor: Surely your wife would appreciate a vintage moto more than flowers, right? Lol…
@Uncle Cosmo: I love that story, and I mention it any time someone makes a casual reference to having so many hangers, or safety pins, or whatever, that they wonder where they came from. This doesn’t happen nearly often enough.
@J R in WV: I have an electric leaf blower/vacuum that I use only once or twice a year, depending on how fast the leaves fall; chips them up.nicely for bagging.
At our prior home we had a neighbour who used his huge gas powered one every two days on a yard the size of a typical living room, and spent hours doing it. At least it drowned out the hate radio he would do generously share at high volume all day. So, so glad we moved…
Now we have a group of teens practicing Hawaiian music in a garage every Monday evening; love it, love the neighbourhood.
@There go two miscreants: go get Thomas Midgley Jr. (invented leaded gas and CFCs) and keep Wallace Carothers alive (invented nylon and neoprene) while you are at it