I don’t give a shit if Joe Biden ever gives a press conference, and I certainly don’t care that the DC press has their panties in a bunch about it. Aside from the obvious double-standard applied to Trump vs Biden (Trump had a grand total of 1 press conference in all of 2017), Jen Psaki’s masterful re-invigoration of the White House Press Office, and her use of substantive experts to explain policy, has been completely taken for granted by the ungrateful DC press corpse, whose only goal is to vamp in front of the cameras while spouting oh-so-clever, meaningless gotcha questions.
Fuck ’em, individually and collectively. Psaki should keep ramming substance down their throats in hopes that a bit of it will leak out into the stories they file. Get back to me when people stop cashing their stimulus check, refuse their increased unemployment benefits, and turn back their increased Obamacare subsidies because Biden won’t take a bunch of dumb questions on national TV.
Similarly, color me unconcerned about the number of Republicans who say they have concerns about the vaccine, or won’t get vaccinated, or some other waah-waah-waah response about vaccination. A recent poll shows about 1/3 of them won’t get the vaccine, and presumably that number will grow slightly as Tucker Carlson and the rest of Fox tries to make vaccination a wedge issue. The bulk of these Republicans are apparently — insert shocked face here — men.
My river of indifference over Republican attitudes towards vaccination is fed by multiple tributaries. First, for the next couple of months, there will be no shortage of non-Republicans who want to get vaccinated. Second, you know a lot of these whiners are gonna get the shot, eventually, once they are done with their ignorant, entitled, old-white-man bitching. Finally, if they don’t, they may well die, and dying of COVID in, say, October 2021 in the USA will be seen as a stupid human trick rather than a cause for mourning.
While I’m on a roll, I don’t give a shit about Dr. Seuss, either.
Butter Emails
The press seems very good about whining about the need to ask the leader of the country questions in order to hold him accountable. So far, they seem incapable of providing a list of these questions which must urgently be answered and can only be asked in a presidential press conference as say opposed to asking his press secretary, the head of the related department or by Biden himself in one of the numerous Q&A sessions he has given.
polyorchnid octopunch
C’mon, tell us how you really feel!
Benw
A bunch of (largely republican) dumbfucks are going to avoid the vaccine like the plague
Another Scott
+1
Another COVID-19 wave is starting in Europe and elsewhere so things can go in the wrong direction here, quickly, too if people don’t get vaccinated soon.
Crushing the plague continues to be Job One.
Cheers,
Scott.
Rosalita
I love a good rant in the morning… “Finally, if they don’t, they may well die, and dying of COVID in, say, October 2021 in the USA will be seen as a stupid human trick rather than a cause for mourning.” This!
tinkletoes
Is this what they call cancel culture?
SiubhanDuinne
@Benw:
geg6
Could not possibly agree more, mm. Spot on.
I have finally gotten an appointment for my first jab on Friday. I am chomping at the bit. My John got his second jab this morning. Fuck those dead end Trumpanzees. I hope they all croak and leave the world a better place.
Betty Cracker
Generally speaking, I’m in favor of presidential press conferences, which are materially different from press sec briefings or short off-the-cuff remarks after a speech. I hope and trust Biden will hold a doozy of a briefing sooner rather than later. But this orchestrated wailing about it and the daily count framing — as if lack of press conferences were a fucking national crisis — really pisses me off. I hope Biden can find a way to do a presser without seeming to bow to pressure from the whiners.
Regarding the vaccine refusers, they could all die of COVID for all I care if they are few enough in number not to affect our collectively reaching herd immunity and if their own personal stupidity doesn’t result in the propagation of new variants that affect the rest of us. In the meantime, I hope schools and employers start requiring proof of vaccination. ETA: Also airlines.
FWIW, every single one of my Trumpy relatives either plans to or already has received the vaccination. That’s anecdotal evidence, but it gives me hope that the absolute refusers are fewer in number than polls might suggest.
kindness
Darwinism happens. People who leave themselves unprotected from dangers might not be around to vote next time.
docNC
You Rock.
Sadly, I must report to know a lot of MAGA people who are against vaccination. “I don’t want that stuff in me!” Trying to explain that you don’t get injected with active virus is usually met with a blank look. That’s the sad part, but it will cull the herd of stupidity.
And now I don’t care about whether they do it or not. Fuck’em.
I’m looking forward to getting my shot(s).
mrmoshpotato
Buncha slapdicks.
“WWWWAAAHHHH!!!!! Biden won’t…! WWWWAAAHHHH!!!!!”
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@Betty Cracker: I know some Trumpy ones who say they won’t be getting the shot. One in particular is an obese smoker who drinks a lot.
On the proof of vaccination, my wife is vaccinated and the card she got is not designed to be any kind of an official document, which I thought was a missed opportunity on the part of the CDC, since I could well imagine that some airlines might have vaccinated-only flights, that Canada might let vaccinated US residents enter when they reopen, etc.
Benw
@SiubhanDuinne: it’s madness
waspuppet
Someone pointed out yesterday that not only does Biden already have a press conference scheduled^, but boy oh boy these questions better be incredibly complex and detailed, because after all this moaning …
Of course, there are only going to be two questions: “It’s your fault Republicans didn’t vote for the relief bill” and “Trump says you suck now you say something.” Neither of which are actually questions.
Although I am looking forward to him handling the latter “question.” While Biden’s optimism about the goodwill and patriotism of congressional Republicans was always his weakness, one of his underrated strengths is his total dismissiveness of Trump himself.
*(It was also pointed out that “press conference” here is a technicality: Biden took questions from the press at a bill signing a while back. It was enough of a press conference that Fox News called it “his first formal press conference” when they complained about the easy questions, and didn’t know they were going to be complaining about Biden not having a press conference.)
germy
This is wildly off topic, even for an open thread, but I’ve been reading a collection of George Orwell essays, letters, reviews and notebook stuff.
So at the end of his life he’s in a hospital, still taking notes, and he’s listening to the upper-class people who are visiting other patients. He writes about their accents:
Bluegirlfromwyo
I spent most of my dating years socially distancing from Republican men. Seems like a good time to bring back that skill set.
germy
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix:
I’ve been trying like hell to get an appointment. I’m over 60 so I qualify, but no success so far.
dmsilev
I care about the vaccine refusers because they represent a pool of potential virus spreaders, which can make life miserable for the rest of us. Consider, for example, people who have legitimate medical reasons not to get the vaccine (suppressed immune systems, for instance).
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker:
“I’m here because I want to be here. And I want to be here to call all of you a bunch of whiny asshats. Now what bullshit, asshatted whining do you have for me? Doocy?”
MattF
This is for your left-wing commentary-on-commentary folder. I’d heard that Corey Robin wrote a New Yorker article that was making waves in lefty circles, but decided to let that particular sleeping dog lie. Comes now John Ganz to explain it all. No specific comments from me. I’ll note, in mitigation of my sins, that I like to learn about hard subjects by reading well-informed debunking. See, e.g., Gellner’s classic attack on Wittgenstein.
Butch
The vaccines took a while to reach the north woods but we’ve both had our first shots now – clinics are amazingly well run – in and out in 15 minutes, and most of that was the mandatory observation period, and the county website is easy to navigate. Plus, I’m finding that I hardly notice the microchip.
Betty Cracker
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: Good point about the proof of vaccination. Depending on where you are, it could be a state or county or federal organization administering it, so there’s probably a lot of variation in how it’s documented.
Kayla Rudbek
I’m surprised by just how fast they read the MRI results! Good news is that they didn’t find anything further, so right now it’s stage 1a on both sides. Now to wait for the genetic test results and to argue my insurance into the less penetrating radiation treatment…
Belafon
@Betty Cracker:
I suspect he will do one around day 100.
JMG
My vaccination card says CDC on it, so I assume it was distributed by the feds. Whether that gives it any kind of official status I don’t know or really care. I get my second shot on Friday and I’m going to take better care of that card than I do my passport.
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@germy: You probably already know this, but the NYS COVID site will tell you that there are no appointments available up front, but often after you fill out the eligibility questionnaire, it will show you available appointments.
Jeffery
Someone is feeling their beans this morning. Have to greet with you. After former guy who cares what the GQP or press think.
Sandia Blanca
@germy: Imagine being able to write like that AT ALL, let alone while on your (almost) deathbed.
SFAW
@MattF:
Those are all cricketers,
BruceMattFETA: Forgot to also point out that Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Roger Moore
That number is going to go down when the vaccines get final approval and employers are allowed to require employees to get vaccinated to come to work. Some Republican legislatures will change their laws to forbid employers from requiring vaccinations, and some small businesses run by wingnuts will hold out to show their partisanship, but a lot of people who are reluctant to get vaccinated will cave when their jobs are on the line.
Baud
@germy:
A little long for a rotating tag.
different-church-lady
I was rather more disturbed to find out there’s unfortunate racist imagery in some Dr. Seuss books I never read than to hear they’re no longer going to be published.
While I’m on a roll, the sads of a prince and a duchess from finding out the British press is a bunch of assholes; sorry kids, but I’m busy trying to do for me.
Falling Diphthong
The press has done a very poor job of convincing the citizenry (aka “me”) that they have urgent questions that must be addressed. Based on what they’re yelling, it’s stuff like “Will you kill your dog?” “Why did you murder Dr. Seuss?” and “Will you read aloud this statement praising the glory and greatness of Trump, which I have helpfully composed for you?”
They need to raise their game if they want the citizens to see this as some sort of problem.
Also, while I generically am in favor of the president occasionally giving a press conference, reporters often seem to want to create the impression that they cannot possibly report on any issues by some method other than yelling a question at a presser. This is not true. But the way that conveys actual information is more work.
Also also: Psaki is excellent.
different-church-lady
@Baud: Nonsense, it’s positively Applesque.
UncleEbeneezer
Since this is an Open Thread, here is a really long but fascinating account of what the last year was like for a Brittish ExPat living in Vietnam, where Covid has only killed THIRTY-FIVE people. Though the author stays mostly apolitical, it makes a pretty good argument for Big Govt. One interesting part is when he talks about how Vietnamese people looked at him as a White, foreigner as a likely carrier of Covid and he got just a tiny taste of the reverse prejudice (though nothing nearly as bad as) the racist/xenophobia we have seen here directed at Asian/Asian-Americans. For anyone who has followed my OtR pix of Vietnam, this guy was a huge resource in learning about the country and planning our trip. Enjoy:
“Waiting to greet my parents outside the arrivals hall at Tan Son Nhat Airport, I felt anxious. It was a sun-filled morning in mid-February and my parents were due to arrive in Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City) to visit me. We only see each other once or twice a year, so there’s a certain amount of emotional apprehension whenever I meet my parents off the plane. But this was different: this was a collective nervousness and uncertainty, shared by everyone else on that bare, modern, bright and hushed arrivals concourse. At that time, no one in the arrivals hall knew if they had just flown into a dangerous situation, any more than the people directly above, in the departures hall, knew if they were flying away from one. But popular opinion at that time would have concluded that those in the departure hall heading west would likely be safest. The virus had yet to take hold in Europe and America, and, even though Vietnam appeared to have it under control, the coronavirus was still broadly viewed as an Asian epidemic.
Waiting to greet my parents outside the arrivals hall at Tan Son Nhat Airport, I felt anxious. It was a sun-filled morning in mid-February and my parents were due to arrive in Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City) to visit me. We only see each other once or twice a year, so there’s a certain amount of emotional apprehension whenever I meet my parents off the plane. But this was different: this was a collective nervousness and uncertainty, shared by everyone else on that bare, modern, bright and hushed arrivals concourse. At that time, no one in the arrivals hall knew if they had just flown into a dangerous situation, any more than the people directly above, in the departures hall, knew if they were flying away from one. But popular opinion at that time would have concluded that those in the departure hall heading west would likely be safest. The virus had yet to take hold in Europe and America, and, even though Vietnam appeared to have it under control, the coronavirus was still broadly viewed as an Asian epidemic.
The city was busy as we ploughed through the lava-flow of cars and motorbikes in the morning rush hour. By mid-February, Vietnam had been dealing with coronavirus for almost a month, and it was very much in the public consciousness. There had been a handful of cases, but, when my parents arrived, the country was on a clean-streak, during which no new cases were reported for some two weeks. It seemed possible that Vietnam had nipped the virus in the bud…”
Falling Diphthong
@Belafon:
And the question they ask will be “What do you have to say about not holding a press conference until today?”
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I hope he has one only with reporters who didn’t whine about his holding a press conference.
Another Scott
+1
(Points to a study indicating a FB group is a bad actor in spreading vaccination disinformation. Shocking, I know.)
Cheers,
Scott.
MattF
@Falling Diphthong: Also, the Foxiverse will go into a frenzy of searching the tapes of the news conference for signs that Biden is an old man. I’m not eager to watch that.
Betty Cracker
@Kayla Rudbek: That is good news! Good luck dealing with the insurance people. It’s infuriating that they have a say in medical decisions, but here we are…
Kristine
@Kayla Rudbek: So happy for your good news. Best wishes going forward.
Chief Oshkosh
@Falling Diphthong: To which he may well answer: “I’ve been addressing issues in order of their importance. I made an exception for you WATBs and bumped you up on the list. You’re welcome. Next?”
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
What pisses me off the most is the implicit threat. They aren’t just whining about lack of press conferences; they’re trying to turn it into a “scandal” as proof they can manufacture fake scandals any time they want. The whole thing is a threat to keep doing the same until they’re given what they want, i.e. the White House must do the hard part of their jobs for them.
germy
@Baud:
How about just “No wonder everyone hates us so.” ?
JMG
In terms of actually conveying information to the public, if Biden did a series of one-on-one interviews with reporters at major news outlets, none of which were cable news networks, it would be far better than a press conference. The problem with formal presidential press conferences are that they’re so disjointed, with every reporter asking a question with a different angle on different issues ranging from serious to mundane to stupid. They’re very much like the Super Bowl press conferences where, say, Tom Brady is asked questions ranging from incomprehensible technical football questions with lots of jargon to an immediate follow, “so what pets do you and your family have?”
SFAW
@Baud:
Bill Parcells, as coach of the NY Giants (before winning his first Super Bowl, I think), would throw out (without answering) any fan mail that said “I’m a long-suffering Giants fan.” However, letters that said “I’m a die-hard Giants fan” (or similar) would get answered.
Of course, President Biden (boy, I’m so glad I can write that) does not have the type of personality to respond to the press the way Parcells responded to the press — but I wish he did, at least for a few minutes. [Parcells did not generally suffer fools gladly.]
Doug R
trump got the vaccine SECRETLY in January which shows you what he thinks of his supporters. Just mention that to the vaccine “hesitant”.
Nicole
And even if they got their press briefing, here’s the questions they’d ask:
1) Should Cuomo resign?
2) Is Major getting dog training?
3) Where’s the cat you said you were getting?
Seriously, the past 4 years have caused me to develop such contempt for the vast majority of WH press corps and I don’t think they’ll ever get me back.
Just this past weekend I watched Tapper completely ignore everything Dr. Fauci said to him in his eagerness to get to a “WILL SCHOOLS REOPEN RIGHT NOW YES OR NO?” question. Ugh. Ugggyughugh.
mrmoshpotato
@Doug R: Vaccinated for a hoax? What an asshole.
mrmoshpotato
@Nicole:
Oh for the sake of fucks.
SaltWaterCleanse
@germy: Thanks for sharing the Orwell quote. So good, so true.
gkoutnik
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: The IATA has developed a COVID pass which is required on some airlines and will probably become more widespread.
Old School
@Kayla Rudbek: Hooray for good news. Here’s hoping it is all good news from here on.
Cheryl Rofer
@JMG: He’s got one coming up with George Stephanopoulos on Wednesday.
Benw
@Kayla Rudbek: good news. Best of luck!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Betty Cracker: I think you have to hold off on requiring vaccination for jobs or travel until people have a genuine chance to get it. But then, yeah.
I think part of the resistance is just that it’s still hard to get the vaccine. You have to make it easy for people to do what you want them to do.
Cheryl Rofer
Eric Boehlert trashes the press for their gotcha style.
Benw
@JMG:
I’m sure you already did, but take a photo!!
MattF
@Cheryl Rofer: Biden should put on a tan suit.
lee
I am also of the ‘I don’t give a shit if Biden ever does a press conference’ opinion. To be honest the reason is two fold. The press corps doesn’t deserve his time or effort. He gets in front of a camera when he needs to and delivers some information. Jen Psaki is there every day. If they can’t handle her no bullshit policy then they need to find new jobs.
The other reason is I’m worried the press conference can go either decent or ‘train wreck’. I’ve already got the feeling the press corps is going to push it towards ‘train wreck’ as hard as they can.
OGLiberal
A few months ago my wife’s Trumper friend’s Trumper mom said she’d rather die before getting vaccinated. Then, her daughter and her husband spilt, requiring (her, the mom) and her husband to put a halt on retirement and go back to work at the family-owned business. She got the shot weeks ago. Guess she’d rather not die.
Betty Cracker
Another thought about press conferences: recall that TFG, with a heavy assist from Fox News and also some help from MSM outlets, created subterranean expectations for Biden by claiming he was incapable of stringing three words together without a teleprompter. That backfired spectacularly, but they’re at it again with the press conferences thing. Hopefully it blows up in their faces just as hard when Biden eventually DOES hold a presser.
Ned F.
Something that shouldn’t concern me, but has been nagging me since yesterday, is at the Home Depot yesterday morning there was a large dude in a pickup, who (I am assuming) swapped out his huge trump flag for a new “FUCK BIDEN” flag. I was going to ask him if he’d pass on his relief check to me, but declined because he outweighed me by over a hundred pounds. They’re incorrigible.
Ajabu
Both me and Mrs. Ajabu got our first shot this morning. (Pfizer) The administering nurse was amazing! I was still waiting for the Shot when she told me she was through. I literally felt nothing. Second shot will be on April 15. All we’re experiencing is a profound sense of relief…
OGLiberal
@lee: I think press conferences with presidents in the distant past were helpful. But douches yelling at you about Dr. Seuss and Andy Cuomo ain’t going to further the discussion at all so, Joe, keep sending the more than capable person we pay to handle that shit and keep at the more important work because only Jake Tapper cares about the number of days since you held a press conference and winning him over ain’t going to win the Dems one single election.
germy
I don’t know if they asked Biden about Desantis manipulating COVID numbers or the water crisis in Jackson. Probably not.
patrick II
I was the treasurer of a small condominium last year. I gave out the routing number and checking account number to members of the association so they could do electronic transfers instead of other methods of payments. It worked fine for a couple of people who preferred that to other methods. Except one lady called and asked if I had received her electronic transfer — I hadn’t. But later that week I received a paper check in the mail from her bank. It turns out that the bank decides, for certain profiles, usually small companies like us unable to insist or sue, that it can get away with sending paper without telling the original owner. The bank asserts to the user that they did an electronic transfer — but it turns out there is a national company they transfer to who then writes paper checks and sends them. They make money on the float — the interest they earn in the delay at the cost mailing and then cashing the check of their customer or the small company they are sending the checks to. A totally dishonest method to take advantage of smaller customers to the tune of hundreds of millions a year.I mention this because, as of last Friday, the Biden administration started putting hundreds of millions, if not billions, into accounts all across the country in $1400 increments. Two banks, Wells Fargo (of course) and Chase, are holding payment on those checks, already in their bank, until March 17th, collecting interest on money that is not theirs, but belongs to people too small or too diversified to sue. Probably some loophole in the law anyway.Modern capitalists scoop up any penny they see not legally attached to someone. It adds up, and it is tough to write laws that take in every possibility for those actions which, if not theft, then are poor ethics. It adds up. I was suprised they would pull such a stunt with the federal government, but they are.
SFAW
@OGLiberal:
Should send her a picture of Bill Gates rubbing his hands together, and saying “Mwa-ha-ha!”
MattF
@Ajabu: Me too. I would have thought that hypodermic needle technology was stable, but the shot I got was entirely painless.
Other MJS
@Betty Cracker:
Well, if you can’t yet get the vax anyway, you may as well mock the scairedy libtards. We’ll see what happens when there’s enough for everybody.
Just One More Canuck
@MattF: No, they won’t cover it. They’ll have explosive new ‘evidence’ about Hillary’s emails or the kerning on Obama’s birth certificate instead
Jeffro
Yes.
They are slow in shifting paradigms, as it were, from “meMeME!! flaming train wreck” to “the Jen Psaki and other assorted experts show”.
Responsible government really should be pretty boring. Suck it, snooze media.
Lyrebird
You’re right, of course, but the WHO does already have an official vaccination card. Some countries won’t let you in without, say, a yellow fever vaccination. It’s just a yellow card stock thing.
I do wonder if a harder-to-fake version will be developed now.
Jay
@Nicole:
I am sorry, but the Frist Cat is a BFD.
We were promised a Frist Cat and it’s been 59 days so far.//
Major Major Major Major
Call me crazy but I definitely care that tens of millions of Americans want to stand in the way of herd immunity and thus some semblance of normalcy for the rest of us. Not to mention all the people besides them who will die as a result.
Ajabu
@MattF:
and, to add to the beauty of the shot, The nurse announced that as of today they had lowered the age requirement to 50. I, of course, read that as once I took the shot I’ll be 50 again! It’s a miracle!
Mike in NC
Our next door neighbors were Tea Party activists and MAGAts with a huge TRUMP 2020 banner hanging in their garage. I heard that he got vaccinated and now his wife is severely pissed off about it. Ha!
Jay
@Major Major Major Major:
Survey says,………
A crap load of people lie on surveys.
MattF
Well, there actually were issues with TFG— dishonest, lazy, incompetent, etc.— that the news media never covered correctly. Perhaps media are trying to demonstrate now that that their incompetence is systemic, which would mitigate their responsibility for past misdeeds.
Major Major Major Major
I actually sort of care about the Dr. Seuss thing because it’s a good illustration of the dangers of ceding too much power to huge corporations. I don’t care at all about what the rightsholders do (except to note that these books should be public domain). And I’d like to not care about what other corporations do too. But since we’ve allowed places like Amazon to become part of our infrastructure, we have to start thinking about either regulating them like private infrastructure or making them less powerful. Third-party content decisions made by a handful of companies shouldn’t be able to have huge effects.
Traditionally this is where libraries would step in to preserve access to information. It’s like very famously their role here. But at least one big system, the Chicago Public Library, is removing the books in question from circulation. *That* I do find pretty concerning.
Nicole
@Betty Cracker:
Mine, too. It’s the self-interest thing. See also: the only moral abortion is my abortion.
Kelly
Like me. Oregon’s schedule will allow me, a 64 year old with no health issues to get a shot in June. Vaccine refuseniks + increased supply might move that to late April. I’d really like to get my shot sooner.
MisterForkbeard
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: I’m going to get a button that I clip to my jacket: “I’m vaccinated”.
If anyone likes them I’ll just hand them out.
Amir Khalid
I just got called “not a Muslim” in YouTube comments, for saying that Muslims have no right to a veto over other people’s religious expression.
Major Major Major Major
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: I’ve been assuming the CDC cards will turn into de facto proof of vaccination and they’ll just be something we have to tote around for a year.
MattF
@Amir Khalid: So, now you know.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Amir Khalid: It’s comforting to know that Christians aren’t the only bigots
Amir Khalid
@MisterForkbeard:
You’ll need to insist on seeing proof of vaccination before you hand out those buttons.
The Moar You Know
@Betty Cracker: I goddamn know that every one of these “principled” motherfuckers who are caterwauling that they won’t get the vaccine with Bill Gates’ alien DNA in it already got theirs, courtesy of Trump, months ago. Every one of them.
Betty Cracker
@Ned F.: “Fuck Biden” flags are apparently a thing these days. My hubby and I get our local honey and preserves from a nearby farm stand that we hadn’t visited for a couple of months, and we saw two of those flags on the way yesterday.
It’s notable to me that both flags were prominently displayed (one mounted on the back of a pickup in a driveway and the other on a fence) facing what passes for a main road in a community that would definitely describe itself as “Christian.” Four years ago, the townsfolk there would have stormed the town hall to demand a foul language ordinance if anyone had hoisted a “Fuck Trump” sign, I suspect.
My kiddo, who works part time at a print shop that makes signs, flags and banners, reports that there’s huge demand for anti-Biden stuff but that demand for “Trump 2024” merch has fallen off a cliff. ETA: both of the flags we saw were black with white font.
West of the Rockies
@Ned F.:
Life must be pure misery for that fool. Imagine being so consumed with rage that you drive a vehicle sporting a Fuck Biden flag. Every, every day must be a kick in the boys for that guy. He must be a joy to his family and coworkers.
Nicole
@Major Major Major Major: They’re removing them temporarily, while they assess what to do next. Dollars to donuts, they’ll do what other libraries are doing, which is placing them in the collection of books you can read on-site, but not check out. And that’s fine. In that case, a person would have to be actively seeking out these books, as opposed to finding them via browsing (which could be hurtful to kids seeing the images).
Kelly
Herd immunity needs to be world wide. We have billions of people in the third world ready to accept a shot. I’d ship the refuseniks doses there.
Nelle
@Another Scott: On the other hand, while I share skepticism regarding Facebook, my county did not get the Moderna needed for second shots. It was a tip from a stranger on Facebook that sent me to a pharmacy 40 miles away to get my second shot on time. Once in a while, FB works as I think it should.
Ken
@Jay: If only adopting a cat were as simple as passing a huge relief bill or supervising the rollout of a vaccine during a pandemic. But, as Terry Pratchett said, in ancient times cats were worshipped as gods and they have not forgotten this.
L85NJGT
Kick their asses off the next Air Force One, and make them fly commercial. Joe can use the press seating space for an airborne Peleton gym. Let them crank the whiny-ass poutrage meter to eleven. Nobody fucking cares.
Major Major Major Major
@Nicole: why should they be in the reference section? Why shouldn’t I be able to check them out? Just shelve them in general stacks under Geisel if you’re worried about children browsing the children’s section. No legitimate purpose is served by keeping them in the reference section IMO. We don’t do this with every problematic book. Why these ones?
ETA I’ll rope in Betty’s comment below here too. I’ll bet Gone With The Wind is available for checkout there.
Betty Cracker
@Nicole: Haha, great point about “the only moral abortion.”
@Major Major Major Major: It’s a complicated issue that also applies to films like “Gone with the Wind” in a world where people’s access to content is increasingly controlled by corporations.
Baud
@Amir Khalid:
By a right wing Muslim or a right wing Muslim hater?
Another Scott
@Major Major Major Major: OTOH, Walmart’s retail sales are still roughly 3x Amazon’s.
Amazon has huge market capitalization, and that gives them oversized power (in terms of mindshare, if nothing else), but they’re still not the biggest player. (Maybe in books, but not overall.)
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
Roger Moore
@MattF:
How painful a shot is depends a lot on the size of the needle. Vaccinations can get away with using a tiny needle that barely even stings going in. Skill of the person using the needle also matters. I’m a regular platelet donor, which uses a much larger needle. Some of the nurses can consistently put the needle in with very little pain, and some of them can’t.
Ken
Like the Necronomicon. Come to think of it, why isn’t there any Dr. Seuss — Lovecraft crossover fiction?
MattF
@Baud: Or either one pretending to be the other.
Ken
That alone would be an excellent way to get them all demanding the vaccine. “What do you mean, my dose was sent to Kenya?”
Baud
@Kelly:
Am confused. If we reach a point where the only people who aren’t vaccinated are the refuseniks, why do we care beyond the concern over variants developing?
Ned F.
@Betty Cracker:
I didn’t realize they were a thing, one was enough. Ask your kiddo if he makes any “Proudly not fully evolved” signs to go with them.
Amir Khalid
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
It’s only been minutes, and the nasty replies are already coming in. Bring it on, I say.
joel hanes
@Another Scott:
Rate of new cases has been rising in New Jersey, which now leads the nation per-capita.
West of the Cascades
Jen Rubin, who continues to offer worthwhile commentary despite the change of administration, body-slams the press for whining about press conferences: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/15/want-formal-press-conference-reporters-need-better-questions/. Sample:
If daily briefings with the White House press secretary are any clue, collective questioning from the White House press corps can be replete with dumb, repetitive or superficial questions. . . .
Badgering the White House to use the word “crisis” rather than finding out what is happening at the border does not constitute serious journalism, nor does expressing incredulity when they are told President Biden does not want to respond to his disgraced predecessor. The job of a tough reporters is not to try to get the president to say a magic word or to confess that he is lying about not paying attention to something. Such behavior is performance art.
Ken
@Baud: We can’t get to the point where it’s only refuseniks, because there are people who can’t receive the vaccine for medical reasons. To protect them, as many other people as possible must be vaccinated. Hopefully soon that will include children, who can’t receive any of the vaccines yet.
Amir Khalid
@Baud:
I’m guessing it’s someone who sees himself/herself as a devout Muslim.
cain
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix:
I think stamping my passport would be a good method too, and less extra cards to carry.
Major Major Major Major
@Betty Cracker: It’s definitely a complicated issue but (wearing my MLS hat here) the library angle isn’t at all complicated. This is one of the things libraries are for, these books should be in circulation now more than ever. If I can check out Mein Kampf I should be able to get McElligot’s fucking Pool.
The Portland library system, in contrast to Chicago, is keeping the books in circulation because they’re not morons who forgot their ethics courses.
Baud
@Ken:
Ok, thanks. I missed that with these vaccines.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
You make it sound as if variants developing isn’t enough reason to demand the refusniks get vaccinated anyway.
L85NJGT
@Another Scott:
That doesn’t jibe with the online progressive worldview; probably because they shop Amazon (and Whole Foods) at a higher rate than the average.
Amazon is a hosting company with some retail operations.
Tenar Arha
@Major Major Major Major:
The keyword here is “temporarily,” & the subtext here is that’s going to be while they figure out how to reclassify it, so that families & young children don’t trip over racist imagery by keeping them shelved in the kids section.
There’s lots of good, & understandable, reasons why both fiction & non-fiction gets put in the closed stacks or reclassified because they’re too out of date to be read without better introductions & footnotes. But the obvious one right now is that leaving those books in the open access shelves will get them stolen because of the increased prices on eBay & Amazon.
ETA we’re basically talking extra security here because these books are now out-of-print & simultaneously in demand, & thus targets.
The Moar You Know
@Baud: Because a small percentage of the population can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, and about 2-5% of the populace who does get vaccinated, for whatever weird reason, it doesn’t take. Or take for long. So a bunch of people who would very much like to NOT die will die if enough people refuse the vaccine. You really need at least 90% compliance. And we’re not getting that with any vaccine these days, which is going to have some extremely serious long-term public health ramifications.
MattF
@West of the Cascades: Yup. The ‘Why don’t you use the magic word’ question always makes my BP go skyward.
Kelly
@Baud:
As much as I Iike the idea of reducing the number of of wingnuts in our society letting the coronavirus thin them out is a risk to innocent folks allergic to vaccines, weak immune systems that sort of thing. Given the limits of vaccine manufacturing I’m fine with working on getting the refuseniks vaccinated next year.
Baud
@Roger Moore:
I’m all for mandatory vaccination. I was just wondering who the class of innocent victims are.
Roger Moore
@L85NJGT:
In terms of profits, yes. In terms of volume of sales, the retail operation is much bigger. Amazon has kept the margins on their retail side deliberately low in an attempt to continue growing to the point they can crush the competition, which has resulted in very low profits on very large sales.
cain
I would support this. Pick out the best news folks amongst the nation and schedule a 1:1 interview with them and studiously avoid the white house press/24 hour news. Their entire schtick is access journalism – switching it to merit would drive them nuts.
Especially if the journalists who get picked can speak firmly on the issues.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
I understand, but refusniks leave the whole population vulnerable. Depending on how many there are, they may be numerous enough to prevent herd immunity, which is a huge problem. Even if they don’t, variants that can evade vaccination-induce immunity would be an even bigger problem. Vaccination is a public health issue precisely because refusniks can hurt the whole population.
lee
@Major Major Major Major:
2 reasons:
1) Because nutters will destroy/steal the books given the chance. Safer to put them in the reference/on site section until the brouhaha calms down.
2) They won’t be able to get any more copies. Books in a library have a shelf life (I crack myself up). This will help extend the time they are usable in the library.
Ksmiami
@kindness: Good. Yes, I’m a bad person
MattF
@Roger Moore: Also, Amazon first developed its hosting capabilities internally. Making those capabilities into a world-beating hosting business was a brilliant coup— but the seeds for that coup wouldn’t have existed without the retail business.
L85NJGT
@West of the Cascades:
Move the press and the briefings over to the Old Executive Office Building. It would free up some space. As it stands, they are functionally irrelevant.
WhatsMyNym
Deleted – Lee @ 126 was faster.
Ksmiami
@Mike in NC: you should move.
Betty Cracker
@Major Major Major Major: That sounds like the right solution to deal with controversial books; we’ve already been doing that via libraries for ages. I don’t know where that leaves films and music that are/will be deemed too controversial by corporations. Do most people even have CD players any more? Will they in 10 years?
Betty Cracker
@Ksmiami: No, the neighbors should move. They’re the ones who suck.
Jeffro
@Ned F.: we need to spread the word on social media that “F Biden” flags’ proceeds go to Soros, or to help young bucks buy T-bones, or something like that. ;)
Other MJS
@Kelly:
I like this; should cause some splodey heads.
Major Major Major Major
@Tenar Arha: I will bet money that ‘temporarily’ is a weasel word here.
@lee: I completely understand the concerns about theft and vandalism. If those were the reasons for the decision, I imagine they might have mentioned it in their statements, and that other library systems would reach similar decisions. But neither of those things are happening. As the NYPL and Denver systems note, keeping these books in circulation is in accordance with ALA principles. This particular case is not rocket surgery.
bjacques
@Ken:
You’re in for a treat!
Chief Oshkosh
@Kelly:
Fixed.
Major Major Major Major
@Betty Cracker:
You know, that’s a really interesting point that I haven’t thought too much about. Physical media is a solved problem, but as CD players etc. are phased out, we’re going to have to start dealing with digital resources for more than just books. The current digital resource regime is a fucking disaster. Digital publishers demand insane restrictions they’d never be able to place on physical books. The obvious legal model here is “lend like print”–one copy, one loan, the library can keep it forever–but that’s not where we are right now. On top of that, you have Amazon basically refusing to sell books they publish (which includes like, if I self-published an ebook there) to libraries.
Not great!
lee
@Major Major Major Major: The principle of keeping them in circulation is that the should keep all controversial items in circulation and not censor what they offer. Taking books out of circulation to preserve them is not against the policy.
bluefoot
@Cheryl Rofer: I don’t get the whole “manufacture news” thing. There is SO MUCH going on right now. Potential 3rd wave of pandemic, worldwide vaccine and vaccination effort, voter suppression in GA, multiple natural disasters worldwide, is Jackson, Mississippi still without water, what is actually in the relief bill, Brexit and Ireland, Ebola outbreak, Myanmar, etc etc. I would love to get some actual news and analysis.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but it’s so bloody stupid to create controversy where there is none and muddy an already chaotic time when the focus should be on solving all these urgent and serious problems. Sigh.
way2blue
I’m wondering if the main issue for vaccine-adverse Republicans is that to be vaccinated is to admit on some level that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a hoax. Was never a hoax. Isn’t the flu. Isn’t going away like a miracle. And that Dr Fauci has always been a credible conveyer of information about risk, progress, mitigation… Admitting CoVID-19 is real would crack Trump’s facade and fill their heads with shrieking dissonance. Or something like that…
PurpleBabied
@docNC: If only.
Doug R
@Major Major Major Major: March 2, 2021: Mulberry Street still available in Chicago Public Library’s CHINATOWN branch?
哎呀
(Aye Ya)!
Doug R
@Amir Khalid: I “love” the bullshit about Allah can’t be a Goddess.
Considering the Y chromosome is a shortened X, life started out “female”. And ALL humans originate from Africa as well.
Cameron
@PurpleBabied: Cheap, effective treatment? What would that be? A drip bag of Drano? A UV suppository? Only thing I’ve heard about recently is that some anti-depressants may be helpful, but that’s not exactly common knowledge and I don’t think it’s been proven yet.
Brachiator
Coming late to the thread this morning. This is astoundingly stupid. I don’t even see that it works politically. It won’t gain the Republicans anything. But it will allow the nutcase element of the GOP base to cling more tightly to each other and to make it easier for them to reject anything that the Democrats do, suggest, or offer.
Bill Arnold
@The Moar You Know:
We should not be belittling the astonishing technical advance of a 5G chip that fits through a needle, draws power from blood, and lasts for years.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Bill Arnold: Yeah, just wait until it Blue Screens on ya.
Ruckus
@germy:
Have you tried the pharmacies?
I got an email Saturday from my rep about locations for vaccination and who is currently eligible under the LA County Dept of Health. And I do know that the listed local pharmacy in my grocery store is vaccinating. I have no idea of the numbers they do but they do list the vaccine they are giving and all 3 currently listed are available – at some point in my area. I imagine it depends on your eligibility in your state and local delivery but CVS, Right Aid and Walgreens seem to have pretty good coverage. There are 11 spots within a 5 minute drive, probably another 11 within a 10 minute drive. Now this is LA county so there are almost 10 million arms to stick within the county and I have no idea how it’s working as my HC provider, the VA has it’s own provisions.
Roger Moore
@bluefoot:
But the White House press corps is not in position to report on those things. The underlying problem is that there is a group of reporters who have long-term assignments to cover the White House, and this is considered an important, prestige assignment. Those reporters have gotten so used to the White House doing most of their work for them by providing press conferences, updates, interviews, etc., that their ability to do normal journalism has atrophied.
The net result is a group of pampered, entitled reporters who believe it’s their right to have the news handed to them. At the same time, that group has a huge audience because their employers see them as critical part of their news. When there aren’t enough easy stories for them, they make them up. That could be acting like glorified gossip columnists writing about tan suits and Dijon mustard or whining about lack of press conferences. Because they’re considered prestige reporters, that stuff gets published and given high priority rather than shot down as nonsense.
Ruckus
@Butch:
It is a micro chip. I didn’t notice mine at all, unless it was in the second shot and that was the reason that the second shot felt different than the first. I’ve wondered how they get one of the six chips in each vial into a needle. I mean it’s no good to get all of them in one shot, and how do you know if you got one, or none or all of them? It is a conundrum of epic proportions……
Jeffro
@way2blue:
BINGO
Otherwise, it’s almost like the former guy knew…
…and then did nothing about it.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
Column inches to fill, democrats to denounce, all part of the service provided by our illiterate betters who couldn’t find an easier major in college.
PurpleBabied
@Cameron:
I have no idea. And I would not ask.
But this is a foreign languages department head married to a statistician. She “did her own research.”
Bill Arnold
@Cameron:
I’m guessing that she’s talking about “time-tested” hydroxychloroquine or some other old medication, neglecting the fact that they have not been time-tested against SARS-CoV-2, which started spreading in human populations roughly 4Q 2019, according to consensus available information/analysis.
She’s clearly a gullible anti-vaxxer, who has been huffing anti-vaxxer propaganda, some dressed up to look quite “sciency” to those who don’t have the skills(“nose”) (i.e. most people) to smell scientific bullshit.
BruceFromOhio
Cole, is that you? You may have signed in under the wrong FP account.
jackson
@UncleEbeneezer:
I’m reading through their account. Beautifully written and reminds me of friends’ stories of their time there. Thank you for linking. I’m inspired to make a Vietnamese dish I learned from them.
gvg
@Ken: Until the vaccines have been studied enough to get regular and not just Emergency Use Authorizations, I don’t think we can mandate vaccines for most things. Once that regular authorization goes through though, a lot of employers are going to require it. For that matter, I will be looking for signs about that when i choose where to shop. Airlines may require it sooner, and foreign countries may require it to visit. Being told you lose your job if not vaccinated or your kid can’t come to school will end a lot of resistance.
Bill Arnold
@Ruckus:
They use pre-microchipped “vaccine” needles.
(There’s a little built-in hologram hiding the chip from human vision.)
/snark.
rikyrah
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
Ksmiami
@Betty Cracker: just have a bunch of antifa parties and drive them away
Ruckus
@Jeffro:
I still marvel that anyone expected shitforbrains to actually do anything positive of substance even once in his 400 yrs in office. The only thing positive he accomplished in his entire life was stealing the inheritance of his siblings, and that was positive only to him. Everything else has been a failure and/or a disaster.
CaseyL
@Roger Moore:
The WHPC has been a useless anachronism for a very long time.
As an Old who was young when Watergate happened, I can tell you it’s no secret why the story was followed and broken by Woodward/Bernstein – who not only were NOT part of the WHPC but were (IIRC) basically crime reporters. The WHPC was completely uninterested in Watergate.
rikyrah
going to say this again..
It’s time for the employers to drop the hammer about the vaccination..
No COVID vaccine…NO employment…..
Not all those right-wingers are self-employed.
We’ll see how big and bad they are when it could cost them their paycheck.
rikyrah
@germy:
All pharmacies….sign up with every one.
City health department
County health department
Sign up with everyone.
Major Major Major Major
@lee: And, if they had said this was why they were doing it, this would be a good point. But they gave different reasons.
Kathleen
@Nicole: I am with you 100%. Have you seen the new Twitter meme #ChuckTapper? #JakeTodd? Perfect collective description for the noxious lot of them.
rikyrah
@Kayla Rudbek:
Prayers for you.
rikyrah
@MattF:
I have been waiting for the tan suit :)
rikyrah
@lee:
Which is why phuck ’em.
They were muthaphuckin’ stenographers for Dolt45.
The phucking networks put on every piece of garbage from Dolt45’s Administration, and yet, a MONTH into 46’s Administration, they won’t show the Press Secretary’s Daily Briefing?
Phuck all of them.
Roger Moore
@CaseyL:
The WHPC are basically what the US has instead of courtiers. They’re a bunch of gussied up gossip reporters. That the role is considered to be both prestigious and something essential for any serious news organization to have is a sign of everything that’s wrong with contemporary news media.
Ken
@Bill Arnold: @Ruckus: No, no. They already admit that the “vaccine” has RNA instructions that take over your cells and turn them into little factories. Those factories are what create the chip. That’s why it doesn’t have to fit through a needle, and why they don’t have to worry about getting exactly one in each shot.
In fact “chip” is a misnomer. The final product is a mesh of circuitry, large enough to receive transmissions in the part of the radio spectrum allocated to 5G. It covers most of the surface of your brain, with tendrils running into the hearing, pleasure, and pain centers. I need hardly tell you what those are for.
Ruckus
@Bill Arnold:
Another thing, micro chips are small, very small, for sure but the needles used on me were very small indeed. And I know from needles. And small. I’ve had very small to the 1/4 in dia for my angiogram probes. Had to lay flat and still for 6 hrs after that. And whatever they gave me as an anesthetic kept me talking for every minute of that 6 hrs. I also work to 50 millionth inch tolerances on occasion in machining. I know small. I also hate needles and yet look at them to see how much they might hurt plunging into my body. Yes it’s a sickness, I deal with it, and I always praise those who inflict the least pain sticking one in me. A great skill requires reward.
Ruckus
@Ken:
Nice.
Well done!
Roger Moore
@rikyrah:
There are still legal problems with employers requiring employees to get a vaccine that hasn’t received final regulatory approval. There are practical problems with requiring people to get vaccinated when there aren’t enough doses to go around. Both these problems will be resolved in a couple of months, and that’s when it’s time for employers to demand all employees get vaccinated.
Feathers
@Ken: Of course there is. H.P. Lovecraft’s Call of Cthulhu (for beginning readers)
This actually looks terribly cute. Onto my baby gifts list it goes.
Ken
@Feathers: I read War of the Worlds to my niece when she was a baby. The important thing, as I assured my sister, was that they hear a human voice forming words. The content doesn’t matter.
Feathers
@Roger Moore: One wish I have is for corporate America, which REALLY fucking wants everybody vaccinated already, starts going hard on anti-vaxxers. Like pulling all advertising from platforms which broadcast it or allow it to spread through algorithms. And take a hard stand. Not only Fox News, but all Murdoch broadcast outlets. Shut down their Facebook sites in protest.
Again, people being anti-vaxx isn’t an issue. Spreading their message is the problem.
Brachiator
@Ken:
So, the Matrix is real?
chrome agnomen
@Bluegirlfromwyo: heh i lived in wyoming for 20 some years, and still maintain an address there. if you spent all that time distancing from republican men, you probably also spent a lot of time looking for someone male to talk to.
Ruckus
@rikyrah:
Jen takes away their role by being very good. Also she makes them look like the small nothings they are just by being that good, and far better than they are. Her job is to inform and to stop the spread of their bullshit. There are only so many ways in English to write up that Jen knows what she’s talking about and is far better at her job than they are at theirs and they are not going to say that last part so that leaves them with nothing. They have to feel superior, their outlets have to appear superior and with Jen there, they can’t do that. They want President Biden there so they have something to write and complain about that no one will correct them on. Jen is the schoolmarm who uses words and intelligence instead of a ruler to maintain class discipline.
elspi
“While I’m on a roll, I don’t give a shit about Dr. Seuss, either.”
Channeling Cole are we?
BruceFromOhio
@rikyrah:
I have a well-liked and respected colleague who stunned me by claiming she’s never had any flu shots, never will, and is not getting the COVID shot(s). This is an educated and capable individual that is the diametric opposite of a high-falutin’ freedumb flag-waver. I also spoke at length with an ER nurse pal who is taking the basically same stance – “You’re not experimenting on me!” – and will “see how it goes” if it becomes mandatory.
So this posture is not specific to the Quties and their ilk.
BruceFromOhio
I’m exploring how this can be used for other topics, and it appears it is quite flexible in its application.
My river of indifference over Republican attitudes towards cutting taxes for the wealthy is fed by multiple tributaries.
My river of indifference over Republican attitudes towards election fraud is fed by multiple tributaries.
My river of indifference over Republican attitudes towards bipartisanship is fed by multiple tributaries.
This could be addictive.
Miss Bianca
I care about it. But only because I am literally surrounded by butt-headed old Republican men.
Ruckus
@BruceFromOhio:
I haven’t had a flu shot in a number of years, as I used to get very sick from them. I’ve related about the 9 days I spent in a hospital after passing out the day after inoculation in boot camp. But. I take other vaccinations because of the diseases that they are for. Shingles. I had them, the risk from any vaccine was worth it not to have them again. Covid. I got my shots as soon as I could at the VA. I try to be careful, not stupid. I understand about some concerns some might have. Experimentation though? The drugs got tested, hell I’ve participated in drug testing at the VA, they have been sticking millions a day with these 3 drugs and how many bad results have we heard of? Yes, they got approval because it’s a pandemic, but they have been tested and are continuing to be proven to be safe. Or maybe there hasn’t been enough time to grow a tail or turn into a trump. (man is it raining down in my little bit of the world right now)
Miss Bianca
@different-church-lady:
I *did* read all those Dr Seuss books as a kid (my grandmother knew him, we got a whole set autographed), and I don’t remember any imagery that I can look back on and say, “ooh, that was racist.” I’d have to look at them again from a perspective of 40+ years later to figure out what people are talking about.
Ken
Say, if you’ve still got those around and want to de-clutter your life, I’d be willing to take them. I’d even pay the shipping costs.
Ruckus
@Ruckus:
Also as Pfizer and Moderna are new types of drugs that rather than feed us a weakened but live virus, these vaccines work by understanding how our bodies work and teaching them how to block the Covid virus. And it seems that there may be enough information there to reasonably block the variants that have so far cropped up. Medicine is changing, with knowledge and technology, and changing for the better. I took the first polio vaccine in 1954, I remember it like it was yesterday (which is nice, I find that as I grow older I don’t always remember yesterday the same as I used to, maybe the brain box is full. Which in theory is close to impossible but in practice isn’t at all. The engine is old and has been used a bit, the rotating parts may have suffered a bit of wear. I just hope they don’t all fly apart at once.)
Miss Bianca
@Ken: Sadly, my younger brother, who was the executor of my dad’s estate, refused to give me the ones I wanted (which would have included “If I Ran the Circus” and “On Beyond Zebra,” which are apparently on the No-No List). So, I have a few in storage, but I don’t think I’ll be selling them. I’ll have to ask him what, if anything, he did with the others.
Jeffro
@Ruckus:
Well, if the main thing they voted for was to feel good about being white/restore a feeling of white supremacy…hey, they got that. Also Covid, economic collapse, laughingstock of the world, but hey, I hear that white supremacy’s a helluva drug…
Ken
@Miss Bianca: HE BROKE UP THE COMPLETE SET!??!!?
Miss Bianca
@Ken: Yep. Which I wanted, badly. I can’t remember what his reasoning was, if there was any. Spite is the only thing that actually comes to mind.
topclimber
@Major Major Major Major: Preach it.
Matt McIrvin
@Ruckus: I got the first shingles shot in November when I visited my doctor… who also set the ball rolling for me to get first a colonoscopy and then a knee replacement in February. Since you need to get the second shingles shot between 2 and 6 months after the first one, I’ve been too preoccupied with this other stuff to get it. And I was going to wait until I was a little more recovered from the knee surgery to get Shingrix shot #2, because I’d heard it can be rough.
BUT. Now I hear that they want you to wait 2 weeks after getting Shingrix before you get the COVID-19 shot. And if I want to get the COVID vaccine as soon as I can, which would likely be in April… I guess I need to get cracking on that Shingrix shot unless I want to miss that 6-month window and have to start all over again.
It’s all too complicated…
Matt McIrvin
@Miss Bianca: I think “If I Ran the Zoo” is the problematic one, not “If I Ran the Circus”.
Ruckus
@Jeffro:
I should have been a bit more specific, I meant good for real humans not asshole haters…..
I’ve heard that said, that being white is great. Seems like a skin color to me, and then add in all the people who attempt, on a regular basis to prove to me that white can make stupid, asshole, fucknut haters and I’m not really sure it’s all that great. Bet I can get some back up on this….
Bill Arnold
@Ken:
That is art. (If it has actually been seen in the wild, please post a link. :-)
Denali
@Matt McIrvin:
I feel your pain. I got the first shingles shot in December, and then realized I had to wait the two weeks after the 2nd shot early in March. So I had to delay my appointment for the first co-vid shot. Then wait 28 days for the 2nd and then wait some more for it to be fully effective. Waiting…waiting…waiting.
Denali
I really don’t get these people with their F- Biden signs. He got them a second stimulus payment. The vaccines are getting out there. He is staying clear of the prosecutions for the insurrectionists. This country badly needs to heal.