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Domestic Terrorism Open Thread: Yup, It’s Sedition

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I try not to get my hopes up, but it’s nice to know some of the terrorists must be getting a little sweaty…

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    OT. Not sure if this has been covered yet, but it’s better news than the other news today.

    White House prepares massive infrastructure bill with universal pre-K, free community college, climate measures

    White House officials are preparing to present President Biden with a roughly $3 trillion infrastructure and jobs package that includes high-profile domestic policy priorities such as free community college and universal prekindergarten, according to three people familiar with internal discussions.

  3. 3.

    Ken

    I could swear I saw a poll just last week where 63% said it was important to prosecute the insurrectionists.  I wonder if the numbers are actually going up?

  5. 5.

    dmsilev

    @Keith P.: I so hope that when this bill is formally unveiled, the rollout is officially called Infrastructure Week. I feel we’re owed that.

    And those jokes have been going on for long enough that apparently I’ve trained autocorrect to know that ‘Infrastructure’ should be followed by ‘Week’.

  6. 6.

    Jay

    NEW: Sidney Powell is moving to dismiss Dominion's defamation suit against her — arguing that "no reasonable person" would conclude her baseless accusations of an election-rigging scheme "were truly statements of fact." https://t.co/fX5K5PVyeW— Axios (@axios) March 22, 2021

  11. 11.

    Mary G

    @Jay: Uh, she put them in a court filing and signed it as an attorney; no judge will let that slide. Dominion probably sued her last because I doubt she has much money to get, but they’ll get whatever it is.

  12. 12.

    Redshift

    I think the infrastructure bill is (in part) a lesson for Machine. He thinks he can get ten Republicans on board for that. I suspect it’s as big as possible so they can accept some Republican requests and be seen as negotiating in good faith. And if the GOP pulls their usual crap, the administration can ask Manchin “so now do you get it?

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    @Jay:   I hope this is about the last case Ms. Powell gets to be involved with.

    Lift this lunatic’s law license.

  15. 15.

    West of the Cascades

    I suppose it would be nice if DOJ/FBI officials didn’t talk publicly about ongoing investigations, but see, e.g. Comey’s letter in October 2016 and ships that have sailed. I wonder if  Sherwin’s appearance was a calculated move to make more of the rats start ratting on each other?

  18. 18.

    Ken

    @Jay: When the US incorporated the common law, did we also pick up those older parts about, oh, branding a big “L” for “LIAR” on the forehead of perjurers?

  20. 20.

    patrick II

    I have heard quite a few complaints about the lack of updates on progress at DOJ, and this guy goes on and gives, through an interview format, a pretty good update.  While I agree that, as a general rule, that the DOJ should not talk about ongoing cases, this case is different. We all watched a crime being committed as it happened. The secrecy of the process is often because of the possibility of of an investigation where there is no crime and knowledge of investigation would harm an innocent person’s reputation.  There is no chance of that happening here.
    It is a matter of grave public interest and people need to be informed in a way that does not cast unnecessary aspersions or threaten the case. I think he did alright.​

  21. 21.

    kindness

    Some are getting nervous and some think Trump will pardon them all when he takes over as President again, just like Q is telling them…

  22. 22.

    craigie

    69% of Americans said it is important to prosecute the Capitol rioters.

    Sure, but who cares what they think? What’s important is what Putin thinks. What does he say about this?

  23. 23.

    tokyokie

    @Jay:

    Sidney Powell is moving to dismiss Dominion’s defamation suit against her — arguing that “no reasonable person” would conclude her baseless accusations of an election-rigging scheme “were truly statements of fact.”

    That was the holding, more or less, Hustler Magazine v. Falwell. Except that case involved satire, and a public figure, and a claim for monetary damages resulting from emotional injuries. I don’t see any of those factors in play here. How did this woman pass the bar exam somewhere?

  25. 25.

    Redshift

    I have a strong urge to post on Twitter “Remember that they say we have to put up with this (picture of mass shooting) because they need to be able to do this (picture of the insurrection).”

    I probably won’t, though.

  27. 27.

    Amir Khalid

    Aside from one story by the Associated Press and one on the ABC News site, it seems there is still no coverage in Western news media of the abrupt end in diplomatic relations between North Korea and Malaysia over the weekend.

    The proximate cause was that Malaysia’s Supreme Court had allowed the extradition to the US of a Nortn Korean man to face money-laundering charges. (He had appealed the original exradition ruling all the way up.) North Korea called the extradition an unpardonable crime and a hostile act against North Korea.

    North Korea vacated its embassy premises on Sunday and flew the staff home. The Malaysian Embassy in Pyongyang had already been shuttered since 2017, in the wake of the hit on Kim Jong Un’s half-brother at KL International Airport.

    The only analyis I’ve seen of this, in Asian news media, suggests that Kim may be trying to get the Biden administration’s attention, for what I’m not sure.

  32. 32.

    tokyokie

    @Amir Khalid: 

    As a fellow former newspaperman, you should hardly be surprised by the lack of coverage in the Western news media of Malaysia’s diplomatic developments. News from the PRC and Japan and anything involving the U.S. military might get good play in the Western news media, but unless it’s a catastrophe of some sort, news from Malaysia and Indonesia doesn’t make a ripple in the news media over here.

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    Yutsano

    @Amir Khalid:  Maybe but…any country won’t be happy over losing an extradition battle. Having said that, all I’ve seen from North Korea so far is pouting over Kim losing his “BFF” in the White House. Plus his sister is getting more prominent so watching her moves will matter too.

  40. 40.

    Amir Khalid

    @tokyokie:
    I have noticed that Western media generally isn’t interested in acknowledging Malaysia’s existence. (ETA: They call our food Singaporean — it’s really the other way around — and our culture Indonesian.) But what’s geopolitically singnificant here, what should be newsworthy for them, is that Kim is making his first bid for Joe Biden’s attention; and Biden’s response will be worth noting.

  41. 41.

    RandomMonster

    Did the DOJ authorize Sherwin to do that interview? He isn’t employed by the DOJ anymore, right? Did he endanger the prosecution of the seditionists by revealing so much? Can he be trusted?

  43. 43.

    Amir Khalid

    @RandomMonster:
    Since he’s an ex-DoJ guy and a lawyer, I expect he’s still bound by DoJ and the legal profession’s rules regarding what he can or can’t say about cases he’s worked on.

  44. 44.

    tokyokie

    @Amir Khalid: I was able to follow Malaysian political developments back when I lived in Japan, but I was reading Asian English-language sources back then. I doubt most Americans know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia. On the other hand, I’ve long wanted to visit Kuching because I understand it has the best preserved colonial architecture in the region, and hey, it’s the City of Cats.

  45. 45.

    Roger Moore

    @Jay: 

    NEW: Sidney Powell is moving to dismiss Dominion’s defamation suit against her — arguing that “no reasonable person” would conclude her baseless accusations of an election-rigging scheme “were truly statements of fact.”

    Considering some of the statements in question were made in legal filings, I sincerely doubt the court will be happy with this explanation. There’s a reason Trump’s actual legal team always refused to put the wildest theories they endorsed in anything they had to sign under penalty of perjury.

  47. 47.

    Amir Khalid

    @Roger Moore:
    I am astoundified. Does Sidney Powell realise what she is saying? “I talk nonsense all the time. I don’t know why anyone takes me seriously.”

  50. 50.

    Martin

    @Amir Khalid: I am astoundified. Does Sidney Powell realise what she is saying? “I talk nonsense all the time. I don’t know why anyone takes me seriously.”

    Beats spending the rest of your life paying off a $1.3B judgement against you.

  53. 53.

    LesGS

    @Amir Khalid: Looks a lot like my cat, Max! He’s got more brown, but the same eyes. He’s also a lot bigger. He can stand up on his hind legs to look at what I’m working on on the cutting board. Just in case it’s cheese.

  58. 58.

    James E Powell

    @Elizabelle:

    Powell – no relation and curse her for defiling the name – isn’t the attorney in the cases in which she is a party.

    Some of the arguments her attorneys are making in the motion to dismiss seem to be questions of fact which can’t be resolved on a motion to dismiss. But, they have to make the motion anyway. It’s just a job.

  60. 60.

    catclub

    @kindness: 

    some think Trump will pardon them all when he takes over as President again, just like Q is telling them…

    When? Easter Monday? Arbor Day? Flag (Hugging) Day?

  62. 62.

    catclub

    @Amir Khalid: ​
     

    Does Sidney Powell realise what she is saying? “I talk nonsense all the time. I don’t know why anyone takes me seriously.”

    Why not try it?

    The same general approach works for Fox News when they are accused of lying on the news – ‘we’re just entertainment’. And they get away with it, and then when Obama kicks out their ‘reporters’ from press access, the other media outlets support Fox news. Nice work if you can get it.

  64. 64.

    RandomMonster

    @Amir Khalid: Since he’s an ex-DoJ guy and a lawyer, I expect he’s still bound by DoJ and the legal profession’s rules regarding what he can or can’t say about cases he’s worked on.

    I would expect so, too. Is he following rules, or breaking them? What was the motivation for the interview?

  67. 67.

    smike

    @Amir Khalid:

    Q says they got this. Q is on it. Stand down and stand by, Troop Q. Any day now, any day now.

    You know, Q, when she started, was a 13 year old girl who had a knack with computers. She was having a discussion with a friend about the political situation in this country (she also had a knack with smarts and being generally aware.) She said that she could say that Democrats are baby killing, baby blood-sucking, baby eating, baby fucking Satan worshipers and these idiotic magats would believe her. Her friend said, “Like, no way, dude!”, and so here we are. She still sits around and thinks, “You know what? They’ll believe this, too.” And they do.

    I have this on good authority.

  68. 68.

    Mary G

    Boulder, very sad:

    Officer Eric Talley is my big brother. He died today in the Boulder shooting. My heart is broken. I cannot explain how beautiful he was and what a devastating loss this is to so many. Fly high my sweet brother. You always wanted to be a pilot (damn color blindness). Soar. pic.twitter.com/tgt2DxPsqz— Kirstin (@Roozersmom) March 23, 2021

  71. 71.

    Connor

    @Mary G:

    Uh, she put them in a court filing and signed it as an attorney; no judge will let that slide. Dominion probably sued her last because I doubt she has much money to get, but they’ll get whatever it is.

    They might. It varies from state to state, but basically there’s a lot of wiggle room in what attorneys are allowed to present in their papers, and whether or not claims have to be factually accurate.

  74. 74.

    Geminid

    Israelis are going to the polls today for the forth time in two years. This election may turn out like the last three, with no coalition able to acheive 61 votes in the 120 member Knesset. Under the Israeli system, voters cast ballots for a party slate. A slate winning 10% of the vote, for instance, is awarded 12 Knesset members.

    But if a slate falls below a 3.25% threshold, it wins no seats. Right now four parties poll near the threshold: liberal Meretz, Defense Secretary Benny Gantz’s centrist party Blue and White, a conservative Arab party which broke from the Arab Joint List, and a far right party that lists a a former member of the Kahanist party banned for racism. The outcome may turn on whether these parties are awarded 4 MKs, or are blanked.

    Coalition negotions may take weeks, and there could be a fifth election if no one can form a governing majority. The Jerusalem Post and the Times of Israel are good sources for anyone who wants to follow this complicated story. Haaretz is even better, but much of it’s reporting is paywalled.

  76. 76.

    Frankensteinbeck

    I think we’re going to find out the Capitol attack was a clusterfuck of people who didn’t really think it would happen.  ‘Planning’ violent revolution is a hobby for conservatives.  Trump was “omg it worked!”  His other mob-stokers just thought they were being standard extreme asshole “Democrats are evil and we should destroy them” conservative speakers, which is standard, and it wasn’t going farther than an enjoyable and profitable hate-fest.  There is nothing weird about people like Stone hanging out with or even hiring for security their most frenzied supporters.  The inside job people putting up no security or showing rioters around similarly didn’t think their actions were more than performative.  Put it all together, and everyone involved suddenly found they were living out their violent fantasies on a barely defended target.  It explains why despite all their supposed plans, when the mob frenzy died down the seditionists mostly took ego-stroking selfies instead of seriously tracking down their targets.

    This does not excuse anyone’s behavior, and I’m hoping it won’t matter legally.  There is also one serious exception:  Everyone who, after the invasion started, refused to quell it.  Although I think they were in the ‘I have been handed my violent fantasies without having to work for it’ category, they straight up knew at every point it was real.

  77. 77.

    Geminid

    @debbie: Sidney Powell seems to have been sucked into the negative polarization whirlpool that’s churned in the last ten years. I am reminded of a customer I talk politics with. She and her husband both voted for Obama in 2008. Previously, she had been a Tsongas volunteer in Atlanta, and worked for Planned Parenthood as well. But she voted for trump twice, and has devolved from a Wall Street Journal Republican into an Epoch Times Republican. She never liked trump, but is so frightened by the picture of a radical, destructive Democratic party that her sources paint that she voted for him as the lesser of two evils. I’d like to think that Jane will settle back into a more balanced political viewpoint, but she is 70 years old, and may be stuck.

  80. 80.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Martin: I guess they could garnish her wages from assembling office furniture for US Prison Industries.

    Of course it would probably end up like German reparations after the Great War – the sun would become a red giant and swallow the Earth before the debt was discharged…

  81. 81.

    J R in WV

    @Amir Khalid: ​
     

    a very pretty California Ragdoll.

    That’s a really, really BIG cat — bigger than Steve! Looks like he’s longer than Ms Swift’s torso. Fuzzy too!! Love some fuzzy cat! but they do take a lot of care, brushing, etc. Tats are hard to deal with on a cat, as John has told us.

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