Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

Bark louder, little dog.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Happy indictment week to all who celebrate!

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Prediction: the GOP will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

This really is a full service blog.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP

You cannot shame the shameless.

Come on, man.

I really should read my own blog.

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My laptop chose today to go blank. Praise goddess, Technical Support (aka, the Spousal Unit) has diagnosed a dead battery, ordered a new replacement, and gotten the machine creaking along again — for the moment. But if you don’t hear from me for a while, if there’s no Coronavirus Update tonight, DON’T PANIC.

(I’ll be doing enough panicking all on my lonesome.)

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  3. 3.

    Kristine

    What I don’t like about Bitcoin etc is their high energy usage. I’ve read they’re trying to make mining more green, but the usage still outstrips that of some countries.

  5. 5.

    RSA

    You might be an exception, but virtually all people who denigrate others as “statists” can be safely ignored.

  6. 6.

    Keith P.

    Documentary evening. Tonight’s offering “Hated: GG Allin and the Murder Junkies”, the first film from Todd Phillips. And after that, I’m gonna watch “GG Allin: All in the Family”. They sound gross as hell (and they are), but they’re both supremely entertaining.

  7. 7.

    Walker

    There are some people talking about non-crazy applications of NFTs. That is using them for collectible video games with a secondary market like Magic the Gathering. Because in that case ownership (and verification of ownership) is necessary for using it in competitive play.  The problem is that the energy costs for doing this on the standard coins makes this wildly irresponsible. Though there are emerging crypto platforms that use a lot less energy (and are designed to remain that way).

  8. 8.

    Princess Leia

    Got Moderna #1 in the parking lot of a big homeless shelter (along with my homeless house guests.) Eight of us in and out in 1 hour, and happy to see many of the big shelter residents ready to receive their shot as well. There is a lot of vaccine hesitancy among unhoused folks, so this was a bright bit of hope for me!!!

  10. 10.

    Brachiator

    @Alison Rose:

    I think it great that Virginia has abolished the death penalty. From BBC News:

    Virginia has become the first Southern US state to abolish the death penalty after its governor signed into law a bill that ends capital punishment. 

    Governor Ralph Northam said the repeal would stop a “machinery of death” with a history of racial disparities.

    There is a reference here to a stirring dissent by Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun:

    From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death. For more than 20 years I have endeavored–indeed, I have struggled–along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural and substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor.

    Rather than continue to coddle the Court’s delusion that the desired level of fairness has been achieved and the need for regulation eviscerated, I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed.

    It is virtually self evident to me now that no combination of procedural rules or substantive regulations ever can save the death penalty from its inherent constitutional deficiencies.

    The basic question–does the system accurately and consistently determine which defendants “deserve” to die?–cannot be answered in the affirmative.

    The entire dissent is worth a read.

     

  11. 11.

    aliasofwestgate

    I made an appointment to get my shot in Milwaukee on the 30th in the afternoon. 1st dose, so YAY. I had ot cancel the other one because of circumstances. But i’m glad it got it rescheduled. For now its just the waiting.

  12. 12.

    smith

    @Alison Rose: 

    First Southern state to do so.

    First Confederate state to do so. However, many people think of WV as Southern, and it abolished the death penalty in 1965. I know a lot about it because my dad was one of the main activists who made it happen.

  14. 14.

    Kent

    When you can get a 30-year mortgage or 10-year bond denominated in Bitcoin then it will be a real currency. Until then it is just a speculative commodity like pork belly futures or digital art

  16. 16.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Walker:

    There are some people talking about non-crazy applications of NFTs. That is using them for collectible video games with a secondary market like Magic the Gathering. Because in that case ownership (and verification of ownership) is necessary for using it in competitive play.

    This is actually a great example of a problem that could be managed by a Wizards of the Coast-owned spreadsheet or SQL database, but people just love shoehorning blockchain solutions into everything.

  18. 18.

    dmsilev

    Got Pfizer #2 yesterday. Good news: Can now shoot laser beams from my eyes. Bad news: My colleagues want to strap me to an optical table and force me to stare unblinkingly into a mode-lock cavity so that they can perform obscure quantum entanglement experiments.
    I fear this won’t end well.

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    With regards to Bitcoin, that “4 types of critics” tweet is pretty inane. Even putting aside the ludicrous energy usage, how about “a currency designed from the outset to be deflationary is an idea so stupid only a libertarian would propose it”?

  25. 25.

    Falling Diphthong

    I am trying to get my head around believing that the only reason people roll their eyes at your Bitcoins is that they invested in pretend cabbages instead. Like, it seems with a little massaging this could be the premise of a new sitcom about block chains.

  26. 26.

    Redshift

    @Major Major Major Major:

    This is actually a great example of a problem that could be managed by a Wizards of the Coast-owned spreadsheet or SQL database, but people just love shoehorning blockchain solutions into everything. 

    Exactly. The one feature, as I understand it, that makes blockchain more useful than that kind of mechanism is that it can be verified without trusting a particular authority. There’s no reason why loot in a game run by a company could not to be verified just as well by an opaque service operated by that company.

  29. 29.

    CaseyL

    I wouldn’t care about Bitcoin (other than to feel some schadenfreude when the places holding them go belly up) except for the energy usage.  That pisses me off: the libertarians, contrarians, and oh-isn’t-this-so-transgressive cool kids don’t give a single thought to the environmental damage they’re doing.

  31. 31.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Major Major Major Major:

    yep. If your use case doesn’t include a zero-trust environment

    And if your use-case *does* include a zero-trust environment, be aware that blockchain doesn’t work there, either (Google “DAO hack ethereum”).  If your use-case includes a zero-trust environment, then consider investing in a well-paid militia, I guess.  Maybe Los Zetas.

    Bitcoin and all its variants are a congeries of contradictions, all scotch-taped together with wishes and dried-on bullshit, masquerading as concrete.  People who “invest” in bitcoin are buying futures in fraud, capital flight, espionage, and Russian/Chinese/NorK bad actors.  Literally, you can take *any* use-case for Bitcoin/Ethereum and demonstrate that it doesn’t hang together when deployed to the “real” mass public.

    It’s all bullshit, and those who peddle it should be pelted with rotten eggs.

  34. 34.

    Ken

    Whew. Usually when someone starts off a post talking about NFTs or other crypto, then says “My laptop chose today to go blank,” the next thing you hear is that they’ve lost the tokens for their digital wallet and there’s no way to recover their $80 million in bitcoins.

  36. 36.

    Obvious Russian Troll

    @Chetan Murthy: 

    With some shame I have to confess that at times I have wished I had done some bitcoin mining–so I could sell the fucking things now.

    It passes quickly, though. I’m really happy not to be supporting fraud, capital flight, espionage and the rest, and I’m really happy I never contributed to the environmental damage this bullshit has caused.

  37. 37.

    trollhattan

    Kiddo at a spring break track meet won her 1,500 heat and her team swept the top three places. All while visiting the California Central Coast.

    Somebody please tell me why I’m stuck at home doing work things–it’s spring, dangit.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    @Ken

    Laying out millions for something which can be irretrievably corrupted or erased with a five buck magnet makes no sense at all.

  41. 41.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Omnes Omnibus: Great minds think alike. I see you got there way before me :-). Plus you got the quote right, unlike me, who was too lazy to look it up.

  42. 42.

    Chetan Murthy

    @NotMax: I suspect that in the end, we’ll find out it was all part of the “pump” part of a pump-and-dump.  That’s been the case for most of the runups in BTC price.  People buying to incite others to buy, to run up the price.

  44. 44.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    Rachel Levine becomes first openly transgender federal official confirmed by the Senate

    The Senate voted 52-48 to confirm Dr. Rachel Levine as assistant health secretary for the Biden administration. Two Republican members, Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins crossed the aisle to support Levine.

  45. 45.

    J R in WV

    @smith: 

    First Confederate state to do so. However, many people think of WV as Southern, and it abolished the death penalty in 1965. I know a lot about it because my dad was one of the main activists who made it happen.

    Congratulations! I am proud of my state AND your dad for making this happen a long time ago.

    Still proud it went away long ago.

  46. 46.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @VeniceRiley:

    The segment on the new (first black, first female) mayor of Boston — yes, including all the Rachelesque background and set-up — was really good. The entire program tonight, I agree, was worth watching.

  47. 47.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @J R in WV: I always think of WV as “semi-Southern”, since they broke away from Virginia to stay with the Union.

  50. 50.

    J R in WV

    @VeniceRiley:

    Maddow is on fire tonight. Watch the whole thing.

    She crucified TX Senator Cornyn for declaring a criminal Sheriff deputy as “Lawman of the Year” and then trying to hold up the nomination of Vinata Gupta as #3 person in the DoJ, because she revealed the “Lawman of the Year” was a perjured criminal who put dozens of black law abiding citizens of a small town in jail for up to 300 years for being cocaine dealers… only there was no coke.

    Some years later Ms Gupta got all those convicts acquited, pardoned, and “Lawman of the Year” went to jail. Then TX AG Cornyn is now Senator Cornyn, and still a bigoted pig from TX!! And Rachael put him in his proper place. A great presentation by Ms Maddow.

  51. 51.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @VeniceRiley: Maddow is on fire tonight. Watch the whole thing.

    @SiubhanDuinne: yes, including all the Rachelesque background and set-up — was really good.

    I agree, and the background lead-up and story on Vanita Gupta (and John Cornyn) was the best she’s done in a while. Should be required viewing.

  53. 53.

    J R in WV

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan):

    @J R in WV: I always think of WV as “semi-Southern”, since they broke away from Virginia to stay with the Union.

    Thanks. Wife is proud that WV never passed a Jim Crow law.

    Her Great Uncle was Superintendent of Education in a county (way back in the day) where the elected Board of Education was 50% Black and 50% White, and her Great Uncle sat in the middle for the portrait, which she has a copy of!

    Not that there wasn’t segregation by tradition, but it wasn’t by law! The cops weren’t involved with enforcing it.

  56. 56.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Major Major Major Major:

    well I think you’re eliding the distinction between “works” and “works perfectly” here.

    Heh.  We agree, we’re just debating the viscosity of the turd, right?  I’d argue that:

    Given that the DAO hack already occurred, and the response was “we’ll basically extrajudicially expropriate somebody’s coin” [the question of whether that coin was legitimate is *settled*, b/c Vitalik (or whatever his name is) and his buddies were all over the net, saying “the code is the law” — it is *settled*], it seems like “it doesn’t work in low-trust environments” is a proven statement

  58. 58.

    VeniceRiley

    A friend of mine had a live streaming game show that gave away bitcoin back when it was about $300. Sponsors just don’t have enough vision.

  59. 59.

    BruceFromOhio

    I like to listen to my parents 78’s on a wind-up Edison. The people that built it, recorded it, and danced to it are a century gone. That shit will be around until the next asteroid.

    NFT’s? Not so much.

  60. 60.

    jl

    # 6 might be a person who went to a recent bitcoin convention where bitcoin was so slow and cumbersome to use to pay for admission that it had to use cash instead.

    Which is a true story. As a medium of transaction, bitcoin can’t even handle a few thousand admission tickets at a convention.

  61. 61.

    StringOnAStick

    Husband and I got our first vaccination today, the Pfizer.  Well organized, National Guard EMT’s  giving the injections, lots of volunteers keeping things going smoothly.   Next one in 3 weeks, immunity achieved in 5 weeks. I’m pretty comfortable wearing a mask so that won’t be changing, especially with living in a tourist town that currently appears to be full of spring break skiers who apparently do not own masks.

  64. 64.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Chetan Murthy: I mean sure, there are known exploits, but in the DAO case a bunch of humans had to make poor engineering decisions first. I’m not saying this is a great way to manage the worldwide financial system, but you shouldn’t just throw out a whole database paradigm.

  65. 65.

    cckids

    Got my first dose of Pfizer yesterday. I’ve had, so far, 30 hours of really grinding nausea and heartburn, plus a very sore arm and swollen & painful lymph nodes in that armpit.

    Still worth it.

  67. 67.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Major Major Major Major:

    a bunch of humans had to make poor engineering decisions first

    1. all software has bugs.  I have personally found a security hole in a major (like, one of the top two) bank’s online checking-account software, that would let anybody sitting at an ISP trivially collect information allowing them to login to customer accounts and do -whatever- they wanted.  I do not kid.  It was *incredibly* gaping.
    2. The difference with blockchain, is this: it is *explicitly* designed to be resistant to judicial fiat.
    3. So: in the case of a bank losing your money, you can take them to court and get your money back.  In the case of BTC/ETH, *by design* you cannot take anybody to court.   That’s the entire idea of the thing, not some happenstance random occurrence.

    This is what makes the DAO hack story so troubling: Vitalik and a band of his cronies decided to change the ledger.  It doesn’t matter that they were probably right in some moral sense: they did so without any court of law weighing in.  They call this “censorship-resistance”.  I call it “lawlessness”.  And that lawlessness is intrinsic to the way blockchain works, from A to Z, baked into everything about blockchain.

  69. 69.

    Chetan Murthy

    @cckids:

    I’ve had, so far, 30 hours of really ….

    The actual shot this morning was so …. inconsequential that I barely noticed it happening.  I’ve scratched myself and caused more pain.  In a way, if I had some symptoms, it’d be good, b/c I’d know that the shot was real …..

  70. 70.

    JWR

    And again, but this time without a body count.

    (CNN) – A man armed with a rifle entered an Atlanta Publix Supermarket Wednesday in Midtown at Atlantic Station, a commercial and residential area in the city, police said.

    A witness saw the man entering “the location openly carrying a rifle and entered the bathroom” and alerted the store management and then notified police, according to a preliminary investigation.

    Officers immediately located and detained the man. During the investigation, officers recovered five firearms (two long guns and three pistols) and body armor, according to the Atlanta Police Department.

  74. 74.

    Elizabelle

    @cckids:   I’m sorry it’s been such a rough ride for you.  BUT:  halfway to protection against COVID.

    And you can retain your sense of taste and smell.  You will not want to read this right now, feeling a bit under the weather, but this was chilling.  And several jackals have mentioned the problem with taste, especially with coffee and cheese.

    NY Times:

    If Everything Smells Bad, You’re Not Alone

    Parosmia, a condition that causes phantom odors and a lingering symptom of Covid-19 for some people, has been affecting relationships.
    STOP READING HERE, CCKIDS.  You need to feel better first, and this will not help.  Albeit, talk about motivating us to stay masked up and distanced.

    ….  “I stopped going places, even to my mom’s house or to dinner with friends, because anything from food to candles smelled so terrible,” Ms. LaLiberte, 35, said. “My relationships are strained.”

    She is dealing with parosmia, a distortion of smell such that previously enjoyable aromas — like that of fresh coffee or a romantic partner — may become unpleasant and even intolerable. Along with anosmia, or diminished sense of smell, it is a symptom that has lingered with some people who have recovered from Covid-19.
    The exact number of people experiencing parosmia is unknown. One recent review found that 47 percent of people with Covid-19 had smell and taste changes; of those, about half reported developing parosmia.

    “That means that a rose might smell like feces,” said Dr. Richard Doty, director of the Smell and Taste Center at the University of Pennsylvania. He noted that people typically recover their smell within months.
    Right now, Ms. LaLiberte can’t stand the scent of her own body. Showering is no help; the smell of her body wash, conditioner and shampoo made her sick.

  76. 76.

    barbequebob

    @Ken:

    This is almost exactly the premise of the Movie, “the Wallet” by Comedian Tim Dillon.

    The Trailer is here

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbLENQGcnGM

    But, it is important to know that although the trailer is real, there is actually no movie, just the trailer.  It is however, according an anonymous, fictitious reviewer on Reddit, “A time capsule into the 2021 Crypto Bubble”.

    I love this non-existent movie  because of its multiple layers of sillyness. Maybe those of you who understand the culture it is satirizing will too.

  77. 77.

    Bill Arnold

    @dmsilev:

    Good news: Can now shoot laser beams from my eyes. Bad news: My colleagues want to strap me to an optical table and force me to stare unblinkingly into a mode-lock cavity so that they can perform obscure quantum entanglement experiments.

    Sweet!!! Insist on eye-drops and threshold doses of LSD or DMT.
    (There might be a  backstory involving quantum computers and mysterious flip error rate changes, or not.  :-)

  78. 78.

    TheOtherHank

    @Chetan Murthy: ​
      As the old Unix fortune said:

    • All software has at least one bug
    • All software has at least one line that can be removed
    • Therefore, all software can be reduced to one line of code that doesn’t work
  79. 79.

    dmsilev

    @Bill Arnold: More seriously, dizziness and general lack of energy for the last 30 or so hours since the dose. This morning was fine, but I’m fading fast and will go to bed early again tonight. Muscle soreness for about 24 hours, basically gone now. No fever.

    So, not too bad and definitely worth it.

  80. 80.

    Elizabelle

    Watching MSNBC online.  Brian Williams just quipped (snarked, actually) about “the infectious charm of Ted Cruz.”

    Jackass junior senator from Texas refused to wear a mask at a press availability, even with the reporter asking him to.  Told press all the Senators are vaccinated, and the reporter could move away if (s)he liked.

    Texas’s jackass US senators get some attention from MSNBC tonight.

  82. 82.

    cckids

    @Elizabelle: That would probably do me in. I can’t handle strong odors anyway (since my second pregnancy ) Can’t wear scented deodorant, or even lipstick, because the smell makes me sick.

  85. 85.

    Martin

    @Walker: The cypto is the energy expensive bit and is completely independent of the blockchain which does the stuff that is useful there. A standard blockchain or shared database would handle it just fine.

    The only reason to have it tied to Etherium is to give Etherium a function.

  86. 86.

    Anoniminous

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Of course not.  A complete waste of time.  Gold is a very soft metal.  The weight of a person would drag the nails through the crosspieces and the crucified would end up  going splaton the ground.

  88. 88.

    sdhays

    @Kristine: This is what makes me gag whenever I hear about BitCoin or “the blockchain”: the incredible waste of resources directed at generating the “scarcity”. Whatever value it might have (which, at this point, is pretty sketchy) cannot possibly justify the extravagant waste in resources.

  90. 90.

    Dopey-o

    @Martin:

    @Walker: The crypto is the energy expensive bit and is completely independent of the blockchain which does the stuff that is useful there. A standard blockchain or shared database would handle it just fine.

    So BitCoin converts electricity into a ‘financial’ asset with fluctuating value?  I sense an opportunity here to sequester carbon AND fleece blockheads!

  91. 91.

    Alison Rose

    @HalfAssedHomesteader: Oh I remember! I mean……….at least they knew she might need some? But it’s adorable how little they (I assume all cis men at the time) understood about periods.

    But then some dudes think bra-wearers change them every day. Ell Oh Ell.

  92. 92.

    JWR

    WTF? Just heard on local TV news that TFG’s Twitter ban doesn’t sit very well with St. Bernard of Vermont. Jeebus, dude. Maybe he’s trying for the coveted first guest spot on TFG’s new social medium platform?​

    ETA, the link

  93. 93.

    Chetan Murthy

    @JWR:

    Maybe he’s trying for the coveted first guest spot on TFG’s new social medium platform?

    He’s old, and forgot his high school classes where they taught about The Big Lie in Nazy Germany.  That’s all.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @JWR:

    Trinity Always Saves Her Receipts @TrinityMustache 1h

    incredible that Bernie Sanders thinks Trump should be allowed to repeatedly and egregiously violate Twitter’s rules, incite violence, cause an insurrection, but be allowed back on Twitter. He was literally impeached for inciting violence via Twitter. WTF is wrong with Bernie?

  102. 102.

    different-church-lady

    I wish I could invent something nobody needs and then get everyone to talk about it.

  103. 103.

    mrmoshpotato

    @JWR:

    Sanders noted that while Trump was banned, “tomorrow it could be somebody else who has a very different point of view.”

    Cool!  So I can create a Twitter account and start telling people they should be murdered because I have “a very different point of view” about them continuing to be alive?

    Bernie still needs to fuck off to the forest and take up knitting 4+ years later.

    ETA – did this asshat who renames post offices vote to convict the Kremlin’s orange shitstain either time?

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Bernie thought HRC giving a paid speech to Goldman Sachs was disqualifying. But trump using twitter to incite a lethally seditious insurrection meant to overturn a presidential election was just an oopsy-daisy we  should all move on from.

  106. 106.

    Redshift

    @Chetan Murthy:

    In a way, if I had some symptoms, it’d be good, b/c I’d know that the shot was real ….. 

    I always get a chuckle out of the vaccine explanations that say “it’s okay if you get side effects, that’s because your immune system is responding like it’s supposed to – but don’t work is you don’t get them, it’s still working!” I can’t help but think that’s just a way to make people feel better about suffering side effects.

  107. 107.

    JWR

    Also happening on local TV news, the LAPD’s staging at Echo Park Lake:, probably waiting for the live news shows to go off the air before they start cracking homeless heads. Fuckers.

    #BREAKING: LAPD officers are shutting down roads around Echo Park as dozens of demonstrators gather to protest the dismantling of a homeless encampment. WATCH LIVE on #KCAL9 and CBSN Los Angeles —> https://t.co/48pgdUvLPj pic.twitter.com/7WS9oGAP9a— CBS Los Angeles (@CBSLA) March 25, 2021

    ETA, Geez, check out the chyron: “LAPD Joins  Encampment Battle”

  108. 108.

    smike

    @Redshift:

    I can’t help but think that’s just a way to make people feel better about suffering side effects.

    Hey, works for me. I had a couple of crappy days after my 2nd shot. Seems like that was a direct result of the shots. And I’m okay with that.​
     
    ETA: Oh yeah… and sign me up for the booster, annual shots, etc.

  110. 110.

    Amir Khalid

    @dmsilev:

    Good news: Can now shoot laser beams from my eyes. Bad news: My colleagues want to strap me to an optical table and force me to stare unblinkingly into a mode-lock cavity so that they can perform obscure quantum entanglement experiments.

    That’s a superhero origin story, if I ever heard one. I trust you look good in tights?

  111. 111.

    NotMax

    Woo-hoo! Bluetooth dongle for the PC arrived today. Now have the option not to be tethered by the cord when using headphones.

  113. 113.

    Origuy

    Samantha Bee’s show tonight was about hackers capturing hospital IT systems and holding them for ransom. It’s a big problem and guess what currency they want to get paid in? Bitcoin, of course.

  114. 114.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    Bernie must not personally use twitter. If he did he would know that twitter suspends accounts all the time, especially if you say something bad about a republican.

  115. 115.

    J R in WV

    @schrodingers_cat:

    In other news Google’s translator is sexist.

    That’s bad if you want to use it for complex things like legal or diplomatic negotiations, or to translate literary work.

    Is it bad enough that one should not use it to find something in a store where you have no common language with the store keeper? Or to find a hotel/restaurant in eastern Europe? \

    I have done that in Spain and France to great enjoyment on the part of the host nationals. And I got the needed adapter in order to be able to use the outlets in the Hotels around Basque country!

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