If you want to understand how white Supremacy works,
135 white people just rigged an election in broad daylight and they arrested a Black woman for knocking on the door to watch
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) March 26, 2021
Not an overstatement, unfortunately:
Georgia’s Republican governor has signed a bill putting new restrictions on mail voting and giving the legislature greater influence over elections. https://t.co/BCLcHk6XnE
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 25, 2021
Georgia State Representative Park Cannon said she was released after being arrested for standing outside Governor Brian Kemp’s office as he signed a law setting broad curbs on voting in the state https://t.co/kEBqj79RIg pic.twitter.com/0gEpoApHNp
— Reuters (@Reuters) March 26, 2021
Local media:
Rep. @Cannonfor58 has now been released. @SenatorWarnock, via @cbs46: “Today is a very sad day for the state of Georgia … What we have witnessed today is a desperate attempt to lock out and squeeze the people out of their own democracy.” #gapol pic.twitter.com/vmxS57QCez
— Greg Bluestein (@bluestein) March 26, 2021
??BREAKING: On behalf of @NewGAProject, @BlackVotersMtr and @RiseFreeOrg, we have sued Georgia for enacting a new voter suppression law that violates the US Constitution and the Voting Rights Act. https://t.co/9r2DVxZEVR
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) March 26, 2021
All is for the best, in this best of all possible worlds!…
Both parties are trying to game the election rules to their advantage. But the Democratic effort in the House is being hailed as a reform, while GOP efforts are slammed as voter suppression.@HotlineJosh's latest "Against the Grain" https://t.co/ywLydTi3yg pic.twitter.com/7Zfu32yhxK
— National Journal (@nationaljournal) March 25, 2021
Both sides are trying to game the judicial system to their advantage, but while the courts' actions are hailed as "jailing criminals," the bank robbers and murderers are slammed as "committing crimes."
— "Pry This Mask From My Cold Dead Face" Herold (@cherold) March 25, 2021
And good chance despite all the doomsday predictions, this legislation does just that —> helps Dems mobilize their base in 2022 by making (overheated) allegations of voter suppression. https://t.co/R8yVtfEzP4
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) March 25, 2021
Efforts to purge voter rolls are at the center of many voting restrictions pushed by Republican state lawmakers. Here's an explanation of how voter rolls are maintained, how states do it differently and the conflicts over this year’s legislative proposals. https://t.co/c8UlMzGJpw
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 26, 2021
raven
ugh
Baud
Kristin Welker decided this morning that the story from the press conference yesterday was that Biden as “on defense.”
raven
@Baud: One of my committee members told be I was being defensive. . .during my defense! That’s what answering questions is. BFD
Chief Oshkosh
Blech.
Baud
@raven:
Then every press conference involves being on “defense” and it’s not a newsworthy theme. Of course, that’s not how she pitched it.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
raven
@Baud: Oh it’s the meeeeeeeeeeeedia. . .
Baud
@raven:
You’ve seen what happens when we don’t remind people of the ways of the meeeeeeeeeeeedia….
debbie
@Baud:
She gives her cohort far too much credit. They flailed madly.
HinTN
@Baud: @raven:
Y’all be havin’ waaaaay to much fun this morning.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I thought Biden did well yesterday. If he keeps that up, he’ll wipe all memory of the crazy Former Guy out of my mind
Baud
NYT
debbie
Dominion’s added a lawsuit against Fox!
mali muso
So enraged at these blatant attempts to enact apartheid. It’s hard not to feel helpless and hopeless, but that’s what the fuckers want. What’s the next steps for us little people to help? Calling my Senators to urge passage of SR1 – done. Donating to various voting rights groups – ongoing. What’s next?
Spanky
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Not me. I’ll never forget, never forgive.
germy
Spanky
@mali muso: If you have early voting in your state, then do so. And on election day, load up the car with bottled water and head for Georgia.
Never been arrested before. Might as well strain their system.
germy
SiubhanDuinne
Obligatory Bernstein:
https://youtu.be/Vmc72fCJivA
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Kristin who?
germy
Spanky
@schrodingers_cat: Is “Kristin” the new “Karen”?
Ksmiami
@mali muso: get ready to blast the Republicans into orbit. Including the Supremes. Remember every action has a reaction so I think we can prevail
@Spanky: I’m thinking they said water was illegal but not Coke, juice, smoothies etc. I mean we can all use more sweet drinks Rt? I can drive to poll locations in Georgia
germy
I just found out I lost my nephew to cancer. 52 years old.
I’m heartbroken right now. And my sister just texted me a photo of him from when he was in kindergarten. We’re both in tears now.
Dorothy A. Winsor
What’s the rationale for not passing out water?
Spanky
@germy: I’m so sorry, man.
Spanky
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Cruelty.
Chief Oshkosh
@Spanky: Me either. I had loved family members die this past year. Dealing with that is always tough (I’m older, so not the first deaths in the family), but not being able to gather and grieve and do, I don’t know, all the other things that need doing, is still a very open wound for me. I find that I cannot forgive Trump, but more worrisome, I have deep, almost irrational, loathing for people who voted for him.
SFAW
@germy:
How terrible! I’m so sorry for you and your family.
Betty Cracker
@germy: That’s terrible. So sorry for your loss.
OzarkHillbilly
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Black people may pass out from dehydration while waiting for hours in line to vote, and if they do they lose their place in line.
Ksmiami
@Chief Oshkosh: me too. I hate Republicans and don’t want to share a country with them. I’m sorry for your pain and loss and I hope we can turn our collective rage on them and make the future better.
SFAW
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Part of it is the cruelty, as Spanky already noted. I assume the other part is the “thinning” of the lines/herd when there aren’t enough machines or officials at a polling place. Of course, those long lines always seem to crop up in largely Black precincts. I wonder why that is.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
“Hey, they should be glad they’re even allowed to vote. But we’ll fix that, too.”
The only question is: which fascist-friendly states will NOT do that.
Nicole
@germy: I’m so sorry. What terrible news.
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
I am so terribly sorry. That’s heartbreaking. My condolences to you and your sister.
And FUCK FUCKING CANCER.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@germy: I’m so sorry.
SFAW
@Chief Oshkosh:
Not sure why you consider it “almost irrational.” Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
ETA: And relative to Rethugs/Trump voters in general: I hope that, at some point, there is a concerted campaign along the lines of “Trump’s inaction and anti-action led to the unnecessary deaths of more than 200,000 Americans. Why did the Republicans not take more action to prevent his negligent homicide/murder of Americans?” Because fuck them.
Immanentize
@germy: Ugh. Cancer sucks.
It certainly is not racist or age-ist or able-ist. It falls on the rich and the poor. But the poor are denied health care to fight it.
Chief Oshkosh
@SFAW: Actually, I think they did “fix” that. You won’t need people bringing you water while you stand in line to vote because they also made it illegal for voting sites to remain open after 5pm, regardless of how many people are standing in line.
Problem solved.
Amir Khalid
@germy:
I’m sorry for your loss and the grief your family is going through.
Honus
@SFAW: as a lawyer, I’m kind of interested in the wording of the law, and what it expressly prohibits. I’m having trouble composing language stopping someone from offering another person water on a hot day.
gbbalto
@germy: So sorry – Best wishes to you and family
SFAW
@Chief Oshkosh:
Yeah, I forgot about the 5PM-closure thing. Maybe because I still can’t believe they pulled that shit. [Meaning the 5PM closures. The entire bill is disgusting, and they should all be tried for treason. Yes, I know treason isn’t the appropriate charge. But fuck them, make each of them defend against it.]
rikyrah
Yesss ??????
rikyrah
@germy:
Oh germy ????
Ken
What, savagely turning on anyone who spurns them and doing everything they can to ruin that person’s life?
Oh, sorry. I misread that as Medea, probably the excess of “e”s.
rikyrah
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Cruelty and evil ?
lowtechcyclist
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Making sure they’re on their way to hell? Matt. 25:41-46:
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Ken
@rikyrah: I wonder if their patented “we’re entertainment, not news” strategy will work for that?
SFAW
@Honus:
They probably “justified” it as interfering with the proper conduct of the election at the polling place. [If I recall, a person not-in-line offering/giving water is the proscribed activity, but that based on what I heard a few weeks ago, so things may have changed.]
Not a lawyer, so take what I say with a pound of salt. [Well, in fairness, that’s true for most of what I write.]
trnc
Good. For 1.6 billion.
Question for any legal eagles – do the large amounts hurt Dominion’s case in any way? I assume they need to show that the company has a reasonable chance at being valued at the several billion smackers they’re claiming, and they’ll need to show how they arrived at the numbers for each filing.
Chief Oshkosh
Who is the smug little shit “Hotline Josh”? His blargh reads like he’s desperate for RW mana crumbs falling from the tables of the bigger oafs.
Another Scott
@Dorothy A. Winsor: You can’t pay people to vote. Therefore [ missing step 2 ], so chairs, food and drink are logically illegal as well.
HTH!!1
:-/
As was said above, the point is they want to make it difficult for anyone who isn’t their voter to vote. Even if it cuts the number of their own voters. We have to make sure that they fail.
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
Going for baroque: easing out of the week by swingin’ with Johann S.
trnc
@germy: I’m sorry to hear that.
narya
@germy: I’m so sorry. May his memory continue to be a blessing for you and your family, and I am holding your sister (and all of you) in the light right now.
Chief Oshkosh
Does anyone know the name of the GA state rep or senator who added the “no giving water people in line” part of the law? Now THERE’s someone who needs some special attention.
OzarkHillbilly
@trnc: Googling damages gives one this:
IIRC, punitive is usually the biggie
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
What Georgia did is the stuff that justifies political violence. Sadly, no puffy, pasty giggling conservative “men” will die for their actions.
trnc
And if it does, will there be an order to explicitly state that at least once per episode on each show?
Another Scott
@germy: Condolences germy, and to all who knew and loved him.
Best wishes,
Scott.
trnc
@OzarkHillbilly: Thanks. I suspect the amounts will be knocked down in each case. It may be enough to bankrupt Powell, but it will be a drop in the bucket for Fox. Maybe it would hurt OAN pretty seriously, too, so that would be great. Won’t know for years, though.
Tony Jay
@germy:
That’s awful. So sorry.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@germy:
I’d like to know the names of those little thugs in the photos, see how they turned out, whether they’re remorseful. Also would like to know where their children and grandchildren turned out politically and on race.
ETA
@germy: I am so sorry!
Honus
@SFAW: no, that’s actually a pretty good explanation, some variation on the laws prohibiting campaigning and signage within so many feet of a polling place. In the guise of not interfering with voters. I’m just kind of curious how they drafted it to do what they want.
pluky
@Dorothy A. Winsor: To make standing in line to vote as difficult as possible. I don’t care what BS rationale is their talking point justification.
Ken
@trnc: I would prefer that it run continuously across the chyron, and perhaps add an automated audio announcement every fifteen seconds. Something like:
HANNITY: Today, President Biden —
ANNOUNCEMENT: PER THE SETTLEMENT TERMS OF DOMINION VS FOX ET AL, THIS PROGRAM IS AN ENTERTAINMENT AND NOTHING STATED SHOULD BE TAKEN AS FACT.
HANNITY: … Today, President Biden once again —
ANNOUNCEMENT: PER THE SETTLEMENT TERMS OF DOMINION VS FOX ET AL, THIS PROGRAM IS AN ENTERTAINMENT AND NOTHING STATED SHOULD BE TAKEN AS FACT.
sab
@Dorothy A. Winsor: It is bribery, i.e. buying their vote.
Betty Cracker
@Ken: Sometimes I think maybe greedy corporations will save the republic, at least temporarily. If Coke, Delta, etc., decide they won’t fund Jim Crow candidates in GA, Dominion sues Fox News into the ground, etc…
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
If it was Florida, Rubio wouldn’t last ten minutes.
//
Spanky
@Betty Cracker: Well, it all comes down to the judges, dunnit? The Federalist Society has done its job all too well, sadly. And it’s clear that no one has gamed out what will happen once large swaths of would-be voters find they have no legal recourse to participate in democracy.
OzarkHillbilly
@trnc: Yeah, FOX can definitely afford the lawyers to drag this out for years and years before finally coming to a confidential out of court settlement, Possibly OAN too. I don’t think Sidney Powell’s lawyers are doing her any favors.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Honus:
The visuals of the first arrests are going to be lit – someone will be offering a frail elderly woman a bottle of water after several hours of waiting, and some slabhead barrel-bodied Georgia cop with a flat-brimmed hat will effectuate an arrest, as people around howl with rage and more cops come in to start a riot.
Sadly, we’re unlikely to see the cop’s brains splatter out a hole in the flat brimmed hat in the video, but the requisite boycotts will force changes in the law.
SFAW
@Honus:
Another fun “fact”: it seems that the original bill was something like two or three pages long, but they pulled the ol’ switcheroo at the last minute, and substituted a 90-plus-pages bill. I think the first bill was less racist/fascist. I imagine that was their plan all along (i.e., try to lull Dems and the rational public into thinking it was only partly shitty, not overwhelmingly shitty).
OzarkHillbilly
@Spanky: 2nd Amendment solutions?
Starfish
@Chief Oshkosh: He is the worst!
James E Powell
@Betty Cracker:
I have no doubt that the big shots in every major corporation fully support what Georgia is doing and will support every state doing the same.
The upper class of America is filled with white supremacists and even those who are not will do just about anything to elect Republicans. They want to keep their taxes & their employees’ wages as low as possible.
SFAW
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Yo, ease up on the killing fantasies, OK? That’s two in this thread already.
geg6
@Baud:
She’s an idiot. I can’t remember what exactly she said the other day, but it was another stupid hot take that had me restraining myself from throwing my glass of wine at the tv.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Spanky:
The cruelty was the point. I’m struck how Kemp didn’t even disguise his glee in signing it.
White wingnuts have genuinely earned Inglourious Basterds treatment.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@James E Powell:
Yeah, but the economic power of the customer base is oriented more toward inclusion, and they have to adjust for that.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@SFAW:
The last few years have given me a bit of an outlook like Robespierre, but I take your point.
Edmund Dantes
@Baud: we need it so badly. A lot of 50 year design lifespan stuff is in year 80,90,100.
karen marie
@Dorothy A. Winsor: “Aid and comfort to the enemy”?
geg6
@germy:
I am so, so sorry. Much too young. My deepest sympathies to you, your sister and his entire family.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Edmund Dantes:
“But mah tax munnies…..!”
Benw
@germy: sorry, that sucks.
Falling Diphthong
For our recurring NFT themes, Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal finds a way to use NFTs to reduce crime.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/nft
James E Powell
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
I’m not convinced of that. There are some exceptions, of course, but it doesn’t appear to me that Americans of the D variety adjust their consumer choices to fit their politics. I see real long lines at the local Chik-Fil-A and I can’t believe they’re all Republicans. Same with Home Depot. And don’t get me started on sports team owners.
p.a.
@germy: deepest sympathy to you & family. fuck cancer.
James E Powell
@germy:
So sorry for your loss.
Betty Cracker
@James E Powell: That’s true of many big corps, but when a bright light shines on those shadowy activities, brands scatter like roaches. It’s bad for business to be seen supporting plutocracy and white supremacy.
A bunch of big corps recently defunded candidates who voted to overturn the election. Was it because they love democracy? Nah, but they recognize they need a stable country in which to operate their business.
p.a.
GA et al will be a nice example for the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NC$$ to put their money where their mouths are with respect to racism. They command attention. Not holding my breath.
karen marie
@sab: I wonder if the bill precludes politicians delivering coffee and donuts to poll workers in precincts – a fine tradition of election law violation prohibiting campaigning within 50 feet of a voting location that doesn’t seem to bother anyone but me.
WereBear
@Ken: In a just world, it would be so.
WereBear
That is a way of levering them towards the Light Side. It’s no longer a bold corporate conscience thing to accept diversity, much less use such in advertising.
It’s a numbers game for them, and it’s one of the reasons advertising on Fox is increasingly a scam in search of a product.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: It’s okay; they put him in a nothing position because he is an inconsequential nobody who once worked for McKinsey.
japa21
@karen marie: Actually, it is not a violation. They only speak to the poll workers and not voters. They wear nothing to indicate their party affiliation and do no campaigning.
rikyrah
danielx
I want my second shot.
Jeffro
#goodtrouble
karen marie
@Betty Cracker: Oh, you sweet summer child. Those corporations didn’t defund anyone. They put out press releases expressing shock but have no intention to stop funding revolting Republicans.
Omnes Omnibus
@germy:
My condolences. And fuck cancer.
Spanky
@Jeffro: Mass arrests of out-of-state “activists” for voting rights in the South? Same as it ever was
Eta: “Water Riders” just doesn’t have the same cachet.
rp
@Betty Cracker: Those corporations also employ a lot of smart, thoughtful people, and they have a significant impact on a company’s approach to these issues. e.g., I work for a big corporate law firm, and I can tell you that our clients take diversity very, very seriously — both their own diversity and the diversity of their outside counsel. Some of that comes from their customers, but I think the lion’s share is driven by the employees themselves. We shouldn’t discount that.
karen marie
@japa21: When you walk into a polling station announcing you’re candidate A and you’re bringing treats for the valiant workers, that’s campaigning. Voters aren’t in there wearing ear plugs and blindfolds.
I stopped volunteering because the election department refused to ban this practice.
James E Powell
@Betty Cracker:
Word on the street is they are either going back to funding those candidates or they’re finding ways to do it indirectly. By the next election cycle, it will be like the insurrection never happened.
They want low taxes, low wages, and no regulation. If it takes promoting racism or destroying democracy to do it, well that’s just business.
Benw
@Spanky: Freedom Refreshers?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the bottles of water and some mini-choc chip cookies.
– original Jefferson
H.E.Wolf
Thank you.
raven
@H.E.Wolf: Always writing checks with his mouth that his ass can’t cash.
Jeffro
@Spanky: If I were a GA Dem, I’d also see about having GA Dems vote, then bring water to others in line behind them. Lather, rinse, repeat…bog down the police with mass arrests, get on the national news.
I mean, it’s not a crime…yet…to give water to folks who just voted, right? And you can’t delete the vote of someone who just voted, then decided to pick up a bottle of water and give it to someone further back in line.
Miss Bianca
@debbie:
Yay-ee!!
Old School
@germy: Sympathies to you, your sister, and the rest of the family.
MomSense
@germy:
I’m so very sorry, Germy.
Miss Bianca
@germy: Oh, what dreadful news. I am so sorry to hear it. My condolences.
Just Chuck
Voter suppression is as direct an attack on democracy as making war, and it should be answered the same way: with bullets.
Betty Cracker
@karen marie: Read this. Dozens of corporations did actually suspend funding to insurrectionist congresscritters. Some have since backslid, but it did happen, and you can tell by panicked GOP pol reactions that they perceive it as a very real threat.
@rp: I know for a fact too there are good people in the mix, but even as a sweet summer child, I’ve gotta think a lot of these decisions on political donations are driven by an impulse to protect the brand image.
Omnes Omnibus
@Just Chuck: Okay, who should be shooting whom? And are you on the way there with your guns in your hands?
zhena gogolia
@germy:
Oh, I am so sorry, germy. That is terrible.
Just Chuck
@Omnes Omnibus: In a nation of laws we punish treason with execution. Hard time at the very least.
raven
@Just Chuck: “We” who internet warrior?
Just Chuck
@raven: Yeah, “we” a fucking country. But I guess that ship long ago sailed.
raven
@Just Chuck: Oh you want other people to kill people for you huh? Bullshit motherfucker.
Just Chuck
@raven: I guess we could get into the philosophy of how laws are about getting people to use force for you.
Fine, cutting the bluster: when do we start punishing those who make war against this country beyond instilling the mortal fear that we might wag their fingers at them, ask if they’ll pretty-please stop, and maybe even make re-election harder for them? You do harder time for stealing a Snickers than a fucking election.
Omnes Omnibus
@Just Chuck: Ah, mass executions of political opponents, not a violent uprising. Well, thanks for clearing that up.
forsurelol
@Just Chuck: It’s frustrating watching people act like norms exist after Trump or Walker. There’s absolutely nothing stopping the GOP from openly stealing elections – legally or illegally – if extraordinary measures aren’t taken.
forsurelol
@Omnes Omnibus: Okay big boy, what’s your solution?
Kathleen
@germy: I’m so sorry. My deepest condolences.
westyny
@germy: really sorry to hear this. Deepest condolences.
germy
Thank you everyone
The Moar You Know
@Just Chuck: call me when you’ve purchased a gun, learned how to use it, and are ready to pop off a few rounds and die in a hail of law enforcement gunfire – making the media’s and GOP’s point that your party has no other solutions than violence towards our nation’s brave police. Otherwise you’re just a big-mouth shit-talking motherfucker who needs to shut the fuck up.
TLDR? Buy up, load up, shoot up or shut up.
The Moar You Know
@germy: Truly wish there was anything else we could do. I’m about a year out from losing my father-in-law – the only member of the family that ever treated my wife decently when she was a child – to cancer. And as always, it’s always the people who deserve it (protip: NOBODY deserves it) the least. My sincere condolences as that’s all I’ve got in my quiver, and here’s hoping for some strength for your and yours because you are going to need it.
Ksmiami
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Don’t be so sure…
J R in WV
@germy:
Terrible news, so sorry for your loss.
Very sincere condolences. Cancer sucks, it took a beloved cousin not long ago. Awful thing. Attacks in so many different ways.
Take care, stay safe, keep in touch!
On the positive spring side, our first big batch of frog eggs is hatching out dozens of tiny tadpoles this morning, and the Ramps have begun to sprout through the forest floor leaves. And the bluebells are up in the back by the waterfall too.
The trees aren’t putting out new spring leaves yet, tho. But the maples have tiny scarlet blooms on the very tips of the topmost branches. All wonderful!
J R in WV
I’m a pretty non-violent person. For example, the only deer I’ve ever shot were fatally injured right around the households, one was a fawn who fell and broke a leg. Pretty sad, too. So I won’t be first in line to attack racism with a gun.
But these racists in the GA legislature, I think they’ve gone so overboard they’re shooting themselves down. I just got a phone call from staff of a GA Congressional Dem, and he was really optimistic that the new “rules” will bring out a flood of angry voters.
When I expressed my sympathy for what their legislature had just done, he actually laughed and said that down south making people face this kind of voter suppression now, today, just steels their resolve to vote no matter what.
laura
@Just Chuck: will you shoot their children first or make the children watch you shoot their “treasonous” parents first? Asking for someone who questions the use of a gun to prove a point.
SFAW
Out of frustration/anger, I sometimes joke about Rethug officials and their supporters getting the same treatment that Kevin Uxbridge gave the Husnock. But JHC, this “let’s go down there and shoot those mofos” gets a little tiresome.
schrodingers_cat
New troll or a sockpuppet? His rants have a familiar ring to them.
SFAW
@schrodingers_cat:
As Couto & Mulligan sang, and as I more-often-than-I-should demonstrate, “everybody is an asshole … sometime.” It may be only that, not nefarious commenting.
Geminid
@schrodingers_cat: I see you are getting into twitter some. To good effect. Have you checked out @SashaBeauloux? (sp?) You might like her work.
gwangung
New Water Warriors sounds just fine.
PaulWartenberg
BREAK OUT THE FREEDOM BUSES.
In 2022, we ride! Bringing all the Subway sandwiches and bottles of Fanta to every Georgia voter in line!
mrmoshpotato
Oh just stuff ballot boxes like your Daddy Vladdy, you Soviet shitpile Trump trash party! Or are you too chickenshit to do that?
a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio
@germy: I’m so sorry.
Just Chuck
Been here more than 15 years, and known sometimes (apparently not that often) to shoot my mouth off (figuratively, not with a mask holster). And well, this was one of those times. I’m sorry that I let myself go there. I stand by the sentiment of “voter suppression is treason”, but I’m not even remotely a violent person in action. Actually indulging in violence fantasies is completely out of the question, but even giving voice to them wasn’t acceptable. I’m an asshole all right, but not actually a violent one, and the spicy appeal of imagining blowing away fascists didn’t last for long once real humans responded. So thank you folks for slapping me around.
Just to be clear and to change the subject, I’m still happy as a pig in shit that Limbaugh is dead. If that makes me irredeemable, so be it.
mrmoshpotato
@debbie:
Are Fucker Carlson and Hannity named in the suit?
yellowdog
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Killing people.
Another Scott
“Come to Georgia! We’re worse than the DPRK!!1”
:-/
Cheers,
Scott.
yellowdog
@Another Scott: How?
schrodingers_cat
@Geminid: Thanks. About Sasha, I have liked some of her tweets I don’t think I follow her. BTW what is your Twitter handle.
Another Scott
@yellowdog: How do we make sure they fail?
By passing HR1 and the other voting rights bills. Federal law trumps state law.
If that means a carveout for the filibuster, as it probably does, then do it. If that means making DC a state, then do it. If that means doing it when the Teabaggers are at home at fundraisers, then do it.
Get it done. There are many paths, but it needs to be done.
Cheers,
Scott.
Uncle Cosmo
@germy: I send you the most sincere condolences and deep empathy from someone who also lost a beloved nephew far too young.
President Uncle Joe, out of his long and deep experience grieving for dear ones untimely lost, tells us there will come a day when memories of them will bring a smile to our lips before they bring a tear to our eyes. Though it may not come as soon as we might wish. Be strong.
Just Chuck
@Another Scott: DC Statehood will absolutely need another carveout for the filibuster. But let’s just carve out the filibuster while we’re at it.
RedDirtGirl
@germy: I’m so sorry for your family’s loss.
Geminid
@schrodingers_cat: I just follow twitter: Ms. Cracker, Ms. Rofer, the salty Ragnarok Lobster, local rad Socialist Dog Mom, formerly local anti-fascist researcher Emily Gorcenski (she’s in Germany now).
I sometimes think of joining twitter, though, just so I could use the handle Psmith, the slick-talking character from the Wodehouse novel Leave it to Psmith.
Zelma
@germy:
My condolences. Your nephew was much too young.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@germy: My sympathies to you and the entire germy family. That’s awful news
LongHairedWeirdo
I think that it’s important to keep the Christian aspects of this bill in mind, and in the media.
On the day of judgement, Jesus is reported to have said, he would gather people in two groups, and to one group he’d say “when I was hungry, you fed me. When I was thirsty, you gave me drink; when I was without shelter, you sheltered me (technically, naked, and clothed me, but Catholics in my youth were taught that included other forms of shelter).”
These would be those called on to paradise, and, in their humility might ask “Yo, Jesus – I swear before you, I never saw you hungry, thirsty or in need,” and he’d respond “You did these things to even the least of my people – that means you did them for me.”
I wonder what happens to those who do not merely *fail* to care about others, but actively tried to harm those who tried. Poor fellow, never could have imagined today’s Republican Party.
Brachiator
@Baud:
I thought it was more that the stupidity of the press was patently offensive.
Brachiator
@germy:
So sorry for your loss.
ruemara
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Black people might survive 8-10hr waits to vote. That’s it. That’s all
@germy: My deepest condolences to you both. I’m so sorry.
Ruckus
@SFAW:
Why isn’t it treason?
Treason is action against the government. This is a democracy, or is supposed to be one – representative democracy, the people are the government and are supposed to not just have a voice, they are the voice. GA is not the first state to try and stop citizens from exercising their rights and duties but this blatant bill is dramatically, pointedly racist and treasonous, because it goes directly against any sort of democracy or actual governance.
LongHairedWeirdo
@Ruckus: The answer to “why isn’t it treason?” is that treason, in a monarchy, can be defined as “annoying the monarch sufficiently” – the royal “we” means “this is the nation speaking, not just me” (or so I’ve heard). Doing something the monarch sees as annoying is thereby declared an attack against the nation itself.
Pause and remember, this is *precisely* the logi… er, reasoni… er, type of argum….
Pause and remember, this is the same bullshit Dershowitz used to say “it’s okay if the President breaks the law, abuses his office, and does it to gain an electoral advantage, because he is allowed to think what’s good for him is good for the nation.”
How many Republicans pointed this out? (Serious questions – I wouldn’t search, because I’m trying to not ruin my mood.)
Anyway: that’s why the Constitution has a very narrow defense of treason, and these laws aren’t acts of war, nor providing aid and comfort to a *specific* enemy – hence, not treason.
You are correct, it is, in truth, an attack against the proper, lawful, governance of Georgia and its various political entities (cities, counties, etc.), and the United States of America. It goes entirely against the idea expressed in the Declaration, and attempts to re-write the preamble to the Constitution to “we, the people with power right now, in order to retain power for its own sake, don’t really give a damn about, and will cheerfully ignore, this Constitution for the United States of America.”
Ruckus
@Another Scott:
Water and snacks are fine, choices are not available in the DPRK.
Considering the rest of the GA bill, water and snacks are the least of the worries. Direct harm meant of course, but not the worst issue in any regard. As someone who has stood for 4 hrs in a line to vote, in OH, in November, in the rain, watching people every so often leave the line to go to work and pissed off, it was effective at screwing voters but it was a complete dereliction of duty for the person responsible. He of course didn’t see it that way. I saw plenty of people that I think would have gladly fostered violence upon him at that moment of walking away from doing their civic duty.
I think that calling for violence is wrong but I really do understand the concept and the feeling from being denied the right to vote. At the end of that 4 hrs I got to vote, using a machine I did not trust in any way, that gave no possible reliable recount, because the person responsible for properly counting my vote didn’t want their to be any possibility that he and his party might be thrown out of office.
Ruckus
@LongHairedWeirdo:
Damn, am I glad I’m not a lawyer.
That way I can use the meaning of words, rather than the words written hundreds of years ago, when the country was being screwed and robbed by a monarchy.
OK, now that that’s out of the way…. thanks for the last paragraph.
Nora
Not treason — the only crime that’s defined in the Constitution, and very carefully, too — but sedition, I would say: an attack on the fundamental rights of our democracy, an attack on the Constitution itself.
I definitely think there’s a 15th amendment issue here.
SFAW
@Ruckus:
I/we have been informed by various legal eagles here that Treason can only be committed when we are at (declared) war with a (presumably) foreign power. I see “giving aid and comfort to the Enemy” as not requiring it to be an actual shooting war — for example, I think Putin is levying war against us, just not using the Red Army — but I’m not a lawyer, so my opinion means approximately zero
ETA: Plus, what LHW @165 wrote