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Thursday Evening Open Thread: TAX THE RICH!

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For the last fifty years or so, the Wingnut Wurlitzer kept just enough voters mesmerized by the fantasy that someday *they* might be ‘The Rich’ (y’know, lottery tickets fund education!, so buy more scratch tickets!), and when that happened all the thimblerigging designed to keep the IRS away from the Actually Well-Off would be irksome to them, too. But TFG’s Oval Office Occupancy and its loud & proud Both front hooves in the public trough, boys! mantra destroyed any remaining vestiges of that theory all to hell, and good for President Joe for speaking truth.

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  2. 2.

    MomSense

    It feels like we are finally dismantling Reaganomics.  The country will be so much better off when we get rid of the last of that bullshit.

  5. 5.

    Brachiator

    I love the chart that shows how modest Biden’s proposed tax increases really are.

    Trump and McConnell didn’t just cut corporate taxes. The Republicans went through the tax code, individual, corporate, estate and trust and further entrenched a system that gives the most favorable treatment to investment and business income, and the least favorable treatment to wage income.

    Coming out of the pandemic, the Democrats need some smart people and staffers who can revise the tax code to maximize benefits to middle income individuals and small business. This is just as important as Infrastructure Week.

  6. 6.

    dmsilev

    Are you a Brood X cicada, or just someone emerging from pandemic isolation?

    Check all that apply:

    • You haven’t had any contact with friends or other members of your generation in what feels like 17 years.
    • You have lost all sense of how to interact with others, if indeed you ever possessed it.
    • You are no longer a prisoner to conventional beauty standards, if indeed you ever were.
    • You are not wearing pants and resent the implication that you will ever be asked to wear hard pants again, unsure how the geometry of that would even work.
    • A scientist quoted in the New York Times has described you, unprompted, as “really big and awkward.”
    • Your singing has been described as “cacophonous” and “shrill.”
  7. 7.

    Patricia Kayden

    Dear @SenRonJohnson: You stated about the pro Trump mob that “I knew those were people that loved this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law.” Read this article about of one those folks who electroshocked a police officer. t.co/WmbERNCZqH— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) April 1, 2021

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    I’m not sure why Biden isn’t open to the SALT changes?  Isn’t that the law that was used to screw the blue states?  If I’m right about that, it seems like we should want that change.

  9. 9.

    Ksmiami

    @WaterGirl: absolutely and it helps finance the governments of blue states as well. The end of the Salt deductions was red state taker war on blue states and should be dismantled

  12. 12.

    WaterGirl

    @WaterGirl: @Ksmiami:

    Actually, now that I think about it, the response by Psaki/Biden was the same as her response to the (bullshit) suggestions by the Republicans.

    At first that seemed odd, for the reasons I suggested, but now that I think about it, they can’t say “sure, SALT is gone” when they are saying  “we’re happy to hear suggestions as long as you make it clear that there’s a way to pay for it” to the Republicans.

    It’s actually the smart play.

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: Let’s just say that no state can get more back from the federal government than what they put in.  That ought to cover the red states nicely.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    I was unaware of this particular evil.

    Biden administration announces end to Trump-era rule that rejected certain immigration applications with blank spaces

  18. 18.

    NotMax

    So close…

    Both front hooves in the public trough, boys

    Both front hooves trotters in the public trough, boys!

    ;)

  19. 19.

    Martin

    @Baud: My longstanding idea is that the cost of gun violence for the preceding year should be totaled up, divided by annual ammunition sales, and applied as a tax. Best I can tell, it’s about 8 billion bullets sold annually in the US, and $212 billion cost of gun violence, so add a $26.50 tax per bullet.

    If the cost of violence goes down, the tax goes down. Everyone now has the same set of incentives.

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    @WaterGirl:

    Let’s just say that no state can get more back from the federal government than what they put in.

    Wouldn’t this just punish poor states?

  24. 24.

    Mike in NC

    I applaud Joe’s move to repeal Fat Bastard’s rotten tax cuts for the top 1% parasites.

  25. 25.

    smith

    @WaterGirl:  The fun thing about this is the down-home Goobers would love it. They think their taxes are subsidizing all of “those people”  in the blue state cities.

  27. 27.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    Since it’s an OT thread:

    I got my first shot. Pfizer.  The system in Albuquerque was fast, maybe 17 minutes (with the mandatory 15 observation)

  28. 28.

    different-church-lady

    I don’t doubt Americans are much more amicable to taxing the rich (whether corporate or individuals) when it’s accompanied by recent cash payments. In other words, when they can actually feel the money moving directly and immediately  from “them” to “us.”

  35. 35.

    gratuitous

    From what I can see, the Biden proposal has Mitch McConnell so bamboozled he’s complaining that it’s simultaneously going to raise taxes and add to the deficit. If you’re paying for stuff, how does that add to the deficit? That was not, of course, a consideration in 2017 when every extra dime in the Treasury was siphoned off to the wealthy in yet another exercise of “It’s never worked the way we claim it will, but maybe this time?”

  36. 36.

    craigie

    Maybe it’s just the pandemic …, or maybe it’s a shift in national attitudes and the Reagan era truly is history.

    Why not both? And no, I don’t think this backfires.

  37. 37.

    Martin

    @Brachiator: Yeah. Further, what states get back is kind of odd. CA gets a lot back from the feds because we have a shit-ton of military bases thanks to being large, having a variety of biomes, and having a coast. Should we have to pay in for that? Should Arizona be punished because they pull in a lot more Medicare and SS money than they pay because people who lived in other states routinely move there to retire.

    I always thought there should be a tie between wages and welfare, so when Walmart underpays employees and they qualify for food stamps, that Walmart needs to pay for that. They get a choice – raise wages, or pay for the federal benefits. I’d like to see more programs structured like that.

    I mean, minimum wage for tipped employees in Texas is $2.13. It’s $19 where I live. Thinking one group of these employees is going to be a lot more dependent on federal benefits than the other.

    Similarly, the current Medicaid budget for CA is $112B. The total state budget for Texas is … $112B – for everything – schools, roads, voter suppression, medicaid – everything. Now, CA has more people than Texas, but not THAT many more.

  38. 38.

    Jay

    @Brachiator:

    Not all Red States are poor, many just don’t pull their own weight tax wise while sucking every Federal dollar they can.

    many of the actually “poor” States are that way because of the economies and tax structures they have enabled.

  40. 40.

    Ksmiami

    @Jay: Texas is one of the only red states that gives more then it takes in – to the detriment of millions of Texans

  41. 41.

    Brachiator

    @gratuitous:

    From what I can see, the Biden proposal has Mitch McConnell so bamboozled he’s complaining that it’s simultaneously going to raise taxes and add to the deficit.

    Ha! Good point. Biden could easily say that, unlike Trump’s tax cuts, the new proposals are fiscally responsible.

    Also, Fed chair Powell has said that he is not all that concerned about the deficit.

  42. 42.

    Dan B

    @Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]: Seattle has been slow with the vaccinations.  We have the lowest infection and transmission rate of the 20 biggest metro’s in the US.  It also seems like we have the most people who want the shots.  It felt great to get my first shot even though it wouldn’t be effective for weeks.  Glad to hear you got yours!  Only a few more days till party time, if you remember how!

  45. 45.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @Jay: Lottery tickets with even shittier odds? I don’t know, I didn’t know I’d be asked about implementation.

  46. 46.

    Jay

    @Martin:

    California expanded Medicaid, Texas didn’t.

    It’s not as simple as just comparing dollars in and Population.

    A lot of Federal Monies to the States are program based, often SJI incentives, or economic/infrastructure incentives, that Blue States eagerly accepted to try to “lift all boats”, that Red States spurned.

  50. 50.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Baud: I have done many of my immigration applications myself, if I were going to do it in the Orange Clown era, I would have probably gone with a lawyer.

    Having dealt with Indian bureaucracies I never ever leave anything blank.

  51. 51.

    James E Powell

    The tax rates that Clinton got passed in 1993. Were they so bad? Right-wingers were screaming about balancing the federal budget for like a million years. Then Clinton did it and they decided it wasn’t important anymore.

    Related: I’d like to see the cap on social security tax go up faster, then be eliminated.

  52. 52.

    Brachiator

    @Martin:

    I always thought there should be a tie between wages and welfare, so when Walmart underpays employees and they qualify for food stamps, that Walmart needs to pay for that. They get a choice – raise wages, or pay for the federal benefits. I’d like to see more programs structured like that.

    This gets interesting. Walmart can afford to pay more, but this may not be true of other companies in the community.

    I like Biden’s increase of the Earned Income Tax Credit. Maybe we should think more about a universal basic income.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    @schrodingers_cat: Maybe Trump got the idea from Modi.

     

    @James E Powell: I think they were the highest since before Reagan, relative to the base.

    But we’re not supposed to give Clinton credit for anything,I think. (And the increases weren’t used to pay for a specific program, I think)

  55. 55.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Baud: I left India when Modi was a minor cog in the Sangh wheel. Indian officialdom is the definition of hell.  Always has been. You have to submit things in triplicate with a stamp paper.

    We (India and the US) inherited our love for paperwork from Mummy.

    So when people complain about the DMV, it never impresses me much.

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @rikyrah:

    Jeremy Herbb@jeremyherb
    NEW: Rep. Gaetz bragged about his sexual escapades to colleagues, showing nude photos and videos of women he said he slept with, including while on the floor, sources tell CNN. One video showed a naked women with a hula hoop.

    I wonder how many interns have just been assigned to combing through footage of Gaetz on the floor looking for him showing his phone to… Jim Jordan? Cawthorne?… and then they all giggle like eighth graders.

  60. 60.

    phdesmond

    @WaterGirl:

    Limiting the itemized deduction for state and local taxes (SALT) to $10,000 is irksome to middle-class taxpayers who make above a certain income.

  70. 70.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: My mom used to ask my sisters and I if we stayed up at night thinking of ways to annoy her.

    These people must have actually stayed up at night dreaming up ways to fuck people over.

  74. 74.

    sdhays

    @WaterGirl: Actually, they don’t need to stay up late at night to do that. Every waking moment is laser focused on fucking the right people over.

  75. 75.

    stinger

    @tom: Congratulations! Today is my own Freedom Day — it’s been 14 days since my 2nd, and I am fully vaccinated! (Free from exactly what, I couldn’t say, still need to mask and distance in most situations, but that’s what it feels like.)

  79. 79.

    Redshift

    Ironically, I think the Republicans did us a big favor by making a giant tax cut for the rich their only big legislative accomplishment of the Trump Administration. So we’re not raising taxes, were just rolling back tax cuts that didn’t produce any of the benefits that were promised.

  81. 81.

    HumboldtBlue

    @HumboldtBlue: ​
     

    I do like the new extra innings rule starting with a runner on second but I’m still adamant the NL should keep the DH but this will be the last season we see the pitchers bat.

  85. 85.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: Bush cut taxes twice while adding two wars to the national debt, but trump may just have killed off the myth of “fiscal responsibility”, outside of Joe Manchin’s office.

  86. 86.

    MagdaInBlack

    @rikyrah: This just keeps gettin’ better and better. So you think any of those pictures he was showing off were of some one who was under 18

    That opens up quite the can of worms, doesnt it?

  87. 87.

    WaterGirl

    Ridiculous framing in an article in the Washington Post:

    So while nearly every American would benefit from Biden’s ambitious investments, more than 95 percent of Americans are excluded from helping to foot the bill, according to Tax Policy Center fellow Leonard Burman.

    Because Joe Biden wants to overtax those rich people and corporations to fund the Infrastructure program, 95% of Americans are excluded – EXCLUDED! – from helping to pay for it.

    Un-fucking believable.

  88. 88.

    Geminid

    @WaterGirl: Joe Biden might be open to reinstating the SALT deduction.  But he may be waiting for the many Republican Congressmen representing relatively affluent homeowners to step up and bargain.

    There is also an idea among some people on the left that since this tax deduction seems to benefit only the relatively affluent, it is anti-progressive.

    This is somewhat of a misconception. The SALT deduction encourages the more affluent to “grin and bear it” when it comes to funding state and local services. That is the reason Republicans killed this widely used deduction, even while they were creating so many other tax breaks.

  90. 90.

    Redshift

    @Baud:

    A lot of Dems are emboldened because the Republicans were such hypocrites under Trump.

    Yeah, but they’ve always been complete hypocrites on the deficit. Saint Reagan doubled the national debt – more debt than all presidents before him combined, and they worship him. Ever since, they hate deficits when Democrat is president and love them when a Republican is, and the press takes their “concerns” seriously every time.

    That finally seems to have broken, much to my surprise. I don’t know if it’s that they didn’t do anything but tax cuts and judges for four years, or that Republicans haven’t managed their usual deficit chorus, but either way I’ll take it.

  92. 92.

    Comrade Colette

    OK, bird mavens, I need help. There’s a very pretty, entirely unwelcome female cedar waxwing IN MY LIVING ROOM. I can’t persuade her to go out. It’s a small room and the door and windows are wide open, but she alternates between fluttering around the ceiling and pretending to be a bird statue on a hihg shelf when I get close. It’s getting chilly and windy and I want her to leave so I can close up, plus I’m irrationally scared of fluttering things so I freak out whenever she moves.

    What do I do?

  93. 93.

    MagdaInBlack

    @WaterGirl: Interesting new way of framing it, that “helping pay for” part. It’s usually something about how people shouldn’t be ” forced to pay for”

  94. 94.

    Scout211

    WaterGirl,

    Where did threads 2-4 of the “I got the shot!”go?  I couldn’t find them.

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    @WaterGirl: great context there, WaPo and Burman

    Gee, could it be that the top 5% have been sucking up all of the economic gains of the past 20-30-40 years, and most especially benefitted from the W and trumpov tax giveaways?

  98. 98.

    geg6

    @James E Powell:

    Not only were they not concerned about paying off the deficit, but once it was paid off, they were screaming about how awful a surplus was and we had to cut taxes drastically in order to get rid of the dreaded surplus that evil commie Clinton created.  I remember this very clearly and I was astounded by their hypocrisy at the time.  I am not so naive now.

  99. 99.

    zhena gogolia

    @Comrade Colette:

    I had a mourning dove in my bedroom once. I was freaking out, but a brave friend came over, and when the bird sat on the bed, he threw a blanket over it, carried it to the window, and the bird flew out.

  100. 100.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Comrade Colette:
    STEP 2: Remove the Bird from Your Home

    Start by opening the chosen exit window or door as wide as possible. Then, close all blinds and drapes over the rest of the windows, and switch off all lights inside the house, so that the open window acts as a bright exit sign. The feathered intruder will associate this light with open air and will hopefully fly toward it. If the bird still hasn’t made any moves after some time, you may need to guide it that way.

    will it work? I don’t know…

  101. 101.

    schrodingers_cat

    OT: Update on my historical research project.

    I am delving into the history of Indo European languages. BJP-Sangh verse keeps insisting that India is the ancestral home of Indo-European languages when recent research puts the the home of PIE (proto-Indo European) in the Steppes.

    This has been a contentious matter for over 150 years and some of the older papers on this topic are eye-poppingly racist.

  102. 102.

    Comrade Colette

    @Scout211: No. I have a flyswatter, but of course I don’t want to hit her. I have the curtains and other doors closed, but she keeps flying between high shelves and the curtain rods, never comes down to the top of the door.

  103. 103.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Baud:

    As far as I understand it and the DH rule will be in place this season but unsure if it’s permanent.

  104. 104.

    Redshift

    @Geminid:

    This is somewhat of a misconception. The SALT deduction encourages the more affluent to “grin and bear it” when it comes to funding state and local services. 

    As opposed to doing what, though? It’s my understanding that there’s now solid research that the threats of rich people to move because taxes are too high are mostly bunk, and very few actually do that.

  105. 105.

    Comrade Colette

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Thanks, I was just looking at that! Too bad birbs can’t read and follow those instructions.

    I’m seriously freaked out, still have work to do, and Monsieur Colette is sitting in the back yard being no help at all – even though she came in on his watch.

  106. 106.

    Geminid

    @Comrade Colette: That’s a tough one. But that bird won’t suffer too much overnight, I don’t think, if you just turn the lights off and leave it. When morning comes you could try holding up a sheet and herding it toward an open door. I’ve never used a sheet, just shooed birds out by waving at them, so that’s just an idea.

  107. 107.

    mrmoshpotato

    @WaterGirl:

    more than 95 percent of Americans are excluded from helping to foot the bill 

    “more than 95 percent of Americans won’t see their taxes increase to pay for it, but we’re finally going to tax the rich their fair share for the first time since the Eisenhower administration probably”

    Fixed for the fucknuts!  Pulitzer, please!

  109. 109.

    Ken

    @WaterGirl: I’d be willing to toss a few extra bucks to the government. Maybe I’ll fill in some of those “would you like to donate a dollar” boxes.

  110. 110.

    Gvg

    @Comrade Colette: do you have a lot of cardboard? Maybe sheets you can tape or tack to the ceiling down to the floor? I would try and funnel the bird to one specific door or window nearest to it.

    or try calling a bird rescue or pest removal service?

    I have had this happen but it was in the middle of the day on a weekend and nice weather. Took a couple of hours but I basically did nothing except lock up the cat and stay still. Not the same.

  111. 111.

    Kathleen

    @schrodingers_cat: When I contracted with former employer I supported overseas work groups who were testing new services in different countries all over the world. The Telco (I think it was TaTA) in India required detailed drawings of the service configurations in order to provide access to Giant Global Telecom Point of Presence.  It was the most complex ordering requirement any of us had ever seen!

  113. 113.

    lowtechcyclist

    “I’m open to other ideas” for how to pay for it so long as the ideas wouldn’t mean a tax increase for those who make less than $400,000 a year, Biden says of his infrastructure proposal.

    There’s still Warren’s wealth tax, that would qualify.

    But damn, I’m not even sure Bernie Sanders (who would have made a lousy President, and would have probably lost anyway) would have been this audacious.  And Bernie wouldn’t have been able to pull it off the way Biden is doing.

    After years of calling the Dems the Scared Rabbit Party – a designation they well deserved – I feel like I’ve walked through some sort of warp into an alternate timeline, because these Dems are going right in with (metaphorical) guns blazing.  If I’m dreaming this, turn off the alarm so I can sleep longer, okay?

  114. 114.

    Geminid

    @Redshift: Well, one alternative the relatively affluent have besides moving is to work hard to elect budget-cutting state and local officials. If they succeed, their poorer neighbors, including public employees, will pay the price.

    I think that is what the Republicans who ended the SALT deduction hope for.

  115. 115.

    Benw

    @Comrade Colette: Sorry you’re freaked out. I’d leave the bird some exit points and then just leave the room. Let it (and you!) get calm and then leave on its own.

  116. 116.

    Comrade Colette

    Ugh. Bird has finally gone back out, but my blood pressure is through the roof and I’m still shaking. It’s absurd how much this freaks me out.  I would never have been able to sleep knowing she was in my house, so leaving her inside was not an option.

    In between hyperventilating and shrieking, I thought it was fascinating that her defense mechanism was to perch on a houseplant and keep perfectly still no matter how much noise and movement I made until I actually touched her (gently, with the flyswatter).

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    @Scout211: Oh, sorry I goofed you up.  I thought the list was getting too long, so they are all under “I Got the Shot! (all).

    edit: oops, they were supposed to be.  I must have goofed up the link.  Give me a minute and I will fix

    edit: okay, fixed now.

  118. 118.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    as far as the SALT taxes go, a lot, maybe the majority, of vulnerable Dem House members are in the sort of districts where reinstating that deduction, even partially, would be very helpful in their re-election campaigns. As long as we’re not sacrificing to the false idol of debtanddeficit, this would be a good thing to let it look like they fought for, frame it as easing pressure on stressed state and local budgets

  119. 119.

    frosty

    @Geminid: We got a bat out by guiding it with a towel, like your sheet. It took awhile. I believe a tennis racket was also involved.

  120. 120.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @frosty: ugh, bat in the house is the worst. I had one last summer– post-Covid– in the middle of the night. I managed to seal it one room, and it was pretty easy to get out the next day with a fishing net. Those little fuckers sleep soundly. Steam cleaned every surface in that room twice after that.

    I told myself a bat in the house is traidiotnallly a sign of good luck. Since I didn’t get sick, I guess it came true.

  124. 124.

    Geminid

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ending the SALT deduction may have cost Republicans some of the forty House seats they lost in 2018. I think the California delegation lost six seats that year, and the SALT deduction may well have been an issue in those and other races.

  125. 125.

    Scout211

    @WaterGirl:

    Thank you! It’s nice to have them all back and in one place. Sometimes I like to read through those threads for a quick pick-me-up.   So many happy jackals. Reading everyone’s vaccination story just makes me smile.  ?

  127. 127.

    Another Scott

    @Comrade Colette: Glad you were successful!

    A starling got into a colleague’s office one weekend and made a huge mess trying to get out.  I managed to find a cardboard box and trap it against the (sealed) window and finally got it outside.

    (It had flown in through an open loading dock door and made its way around 50 feet down a hallway before finding an open office door.  It would have been impossible to “shoo!” back the way it came in!)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  131. 131.

    dmsilev

    Via FTNYT:

    Mr. Gaetz’s office issued a statement on Thursday night in a response to a request for comment.
    “Matt Gaetz has never paid for sex,” the statement said. “Matt Gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gaetz has never ever been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life.”

    He’s planning on marrying his Twitter feed?

  134. 134.

    Benno

    @schrodingers_cat: Akhil Gupta and Matthew Hull have done some terrific research on this in India and Pakistan respectively. I’ve been working in Sindh for the last 8 years trying to update some of these structures, but wherever the British legacy falls, neoliberal imperatives raise their hydra heads.

  135. 135.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I was listening to Wash Journal this AM and some idiot calls in and says Democrats are all about going after tax payers blah blah – he goes on to talk about how Biden is talking about OMG!!! taxing households making over $400K not individuals making $400K. I’m just wondering how many people heard that and starting playing their tiny violins for the households making $400K.

  137. 137.

    Sebastian

    @WaterGirl:

    This might be a dead thread but an easy way is to require minimum state income and corporate tax revenue before federal money is spent. Which should include all subsidies: farm, corporate, etc

  139. 139.

    terry chay

    @WaterGirl: then we’d have to allow each state to have their own currency or we’d have the economic mess that are the PIGS in the EU. A single economic region will always mean a transfer of funds from economically strong regions to the disadvantaged. In our country that is the blue state red state divide (it’s actually urban/rural).

     

    even though I’m from California, we need to be above punishing red states. If the red parts of my state were a state it’s be bigger than every red state but Texas.

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