Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

White supremacy is terrorism.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

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UP JUMPS The Devil RICK SANTORUM!

It’s gonna be interesting seeing how the Biden Administration responds, but I assume they’ll have the good sense to ignore Little Ricky and his Repub chums.

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  2. 2.

    debbie

    This should not be ignored. If not Joe, then someone else needs to loudly slap Santorum down over his very stupid, Nazi-type statements.

  4. 4.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Today, in the mind of Glenn Greenwald, he’s mad at the ACLU for not joining his jeremiad about tech giants not approving Murdoch-outlet and alt-right trashing of BLM activists.

    I’m hoping that in the future when Nazis are looking for ACLU support, that the ACLU politely declines on the basis of resource allocation and the fact that there is no shortage of alt-right lawyers that will take up the cudgel.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    Erdogan threatens to recognise killings of Native Americans as genocide in response to Armenia resolution

    We’ll ignore it because he didn’t recognizes it with a “z.”

  9. 9.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @debbie: There’s a big difference between ignoring Trump and actually believing Trump’s bullshit, I think. Same thing here. The idiots that are going to believe this particular flavor of bullshit aren’t going to be swayed by facts.

  10. 10.

    Sebastian

    Maybe I am dreaming but I smell a rope-a-dope here. (Same with the Russian quote insert btw)

     

    Could it be the Biden administration wanted to start a debate about Native American Civil Rights but had someone else do it??

  11. 11.

    debbie

    “We birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here. I mean, yes we have Native Americans but candidly there isn’t much Native American culture in American culture”

    Such a paragon for the pro-Life movement. I wasn’t aware “birthing” involved theft? //

  12. 12.

    jl

    Santorum is correct in a way. The Europeans came with all of the unsavory practices of some of the  Native American nations (some had slavery for example), except we usually practiced those in a much more brutal and horrific form than they did, and we fought against all of their more enlightened and humane traditions.

    So, yeah, we got nothing. We gave less than nothing. And some European-Americans are still proud of the ignorant bigotry and horrendous crimes of our ancestors.

  13. 13.

    jl

    ” Other than the Iroquois Confederacy with its highly advanced and complex political system, and the Southeastern nations that we literally called Five Civilized Tribes (before we lebensraumed them to Oklahoma) and all the other ancient cultures ”

    Even by  some of the ugly idols of our current US reactionaries, it is surprising how much something was there, more ‘something’ than we had, even in relatively obscure Native American nations. How many  military butt whippings did US militias and the standing army escape merely because they had more resources? Wars with the Modocs and Paiute come to mind. I think over a third of the standard army was fought to standstill in the Modoc War, and we prevailed because we had the resources to lay an endless siege.

    Edit: actually, I think Native American butt whippings of the militias was almost SOP, which is why the standing army often had to be called in to save their (often drunken and disorderly) asses.

  14. 14.

    ciotogist

    In Minnesota white settlers literally moved into the houses of the Dakota and refused to leave.  Also, “birthed a nation” is a pretty loud dog whistle.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    We birthed a nation from nothing

    Rick is either over 200 years old or, like every other white nationalists, he’s trying to take “credit” for something other white people did simply because he shares their race.

  16. 16.

    jl

    @Baud:  Santorum wants to take credit for what most would think that ‘a decent respect to the opinions of mankind’ would recoil from.

    I forget where the phrase ‘a decent respect to the opinions of mankind’ comes from. Not an America First type of saying. Probably some woke commie beta wrote it, who wants to degrade our culture and replace it. AOC?

  17. 17.

    RaflW

    CNN just keeps smearing itself with Santorum. Having him as a paid troll really is wingnut welfare of the worst sort.

  19. 19.

    H.E.Wolf

    Mr. Santorum is a racist and an ignoramus.

    We had a full-semester, rigorously-taught high school course on Native American civilizations of the Southwest, waaaay back in 1973-74, in Texas. The bulk of the material focused on the Anasazi, Hohokam, and Mogollon (with some additional readings on the Rosebud Sioux activists in the mid-20th century).

    House of Rain (Craig Childs, 2007), a book about the Anasazi civilization, is really interesting whenever the author stops shining the spotlight on himself and instead reports what he learned from the people he interviewed. :)

  20. 20.

    Ken

    I have to imagine that some on the right are genuinely conflicted about this. Cheer on the foreign dictator who is criticizing Biden?  Or reject the foreigner’s ridiculous lie that the US committed genocide?

  21. 21.

    smith

    A party that can’t bring itself to admit slavery was a bad thing is not going to be put off by genocide. Trying to bring Republicans to a moral understanding of either is a lost cause. Or, a Lost Cause, I guess.

  22. 22.

    jl

    I remember reading that early visitors to the US who wrote the travelogues of the day would note that it was easy to tell when you traveled through some of the Civilized Tribes areas. Neater, nicer houses, friendlier people, better food, generally looked  more prosperous.

  23. 23.

    WV Blondie

    This may be too meta, but I have a recurring dream of a coast-to-coast national laugh-in. Just a hundred million people (or more) laughing at the insanity of ReThuglicans.

  24. 24.

    jl

    @Baud: See that! Trying to replace us!

    Edit: the phrase is from the Declaration of Independence, was my little joke there.

  27. 27.

    sdhays

    Santorum’s phrasing is not coincidental. It’s very clearly a reference to Birth of a Nation, a fascist white supremacist movie from the early 20th century. Is he still a paid contributor on CNN?  If so, he needs be let go.

  28. 28.

    hells littlest angel

    It’s surprising that the right wing took a hundred years to bothsides the Armenian gnocide.

  31. 31.

    jl

    @zhena gogolia: The leading founders were fatally beta in many ways by current GOP and Trumpster standards.

    But, that only applies to the historical people, not the real, actual, fantasy ones all decent and genuine Americans know should rule our every thought and deed, as dictated to us by the likes of Santorum.

  32. 32.

    smith

    Re: “We got nothing from Native American culture,” about half our diet is based on food crops domesticated by Native Americans. Where would McDonald’s be without high fructose corn syrup and fried potatoes?

  34. 34.

    Origuy

    @H.E.Wolf: I watched a Great Courses series on the various cultures of North America before the Europeans. Besides the various Southwestern cultures, it covered the Iroquois, the Mississippian culture, and several others. I did not know that there was a copper using culture in the Great Lakes region several millennia before the Near East and European societies began using it. No available tin, though, so they gave it up and mostly went back to stone.

  35. 35.

    jl

    @smith: I say cancel anything with peanuts, tomatoes, potatoes, corn, winter squash, pumpkin, chocolate, chili peppers, vanilla, and who knows what else, in it.

    Except peanut butter cups. I hereby dub them ‘Freedom Cups’, and we all may enjoy them henceforth.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Does CNN still pay this lackwit for his political insights and opinions?

  39. 39.

    Baud

    @jl:

    We should get WaterGirl to replace the pie filter with a cancel filter.  Bring this blog up to date.

  40. 40.

    jl

    Wikipedia says the modern version of chewing gum, based on chicle, comes from Native Americans, most directly from the Aztecs.

  43. 43.

    jl

    @Baud: Good idea. It’d lose the whole comment section, though. Tough choices and hard decisions for this full service almost top 10,000 blog.

    Maybe could keep one for the garden section?

  44. 44.

    Wapiti

    Culture: we got lacrosse and its spawn: soccer, water polo, ice hockey, and maybe basketball from the Native Americans.

  46. 46.

    Baud

    @FelonyGovt:

     I could see an all-woman sports bar watching, say, baseball and commenting on the good-looking players and nice butts. the stupid automatic runner on second in extra innings rule.

  47. 47.

    FelonyGovt

    @Baud: Don’t get me started on that stupid rule… or on 7 inning no-hitters not “counting” as no-hitters…

  48. 48.

    jl

    @Baud: “the stupid automatic runner on second in extra innings rule.”

    I  thought those were the nice butts, delivered automatically to second base.

  49. 49.

    JMG

    Santorum is employed by CNN for no purpose other than drawing an audience to hate on him. All cable news is bad. Watch none, you’ll feel better.

  50. 50.

    Ken

    @FelonyGovt: @jl: Nonsense. Women aren’t shallow. They’d be watching the game and making deep, reasoned comments on the plays and strategy. You know, the sort of thing we’ve come to expect from professional sportsball announcers; “If the Cards want to win this game they’re going to have to score more runs than the other team,” that sort of stuff.

  53. 53.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Baud:

    And the good looking players and nice butts.  Even if all those other players were women.  I have never heard openly carnal conversation like those times I’ve been in a room of drunk women who think the only men in the room don’t count (for whatever reason).

  54. 54.

    jl

    @Ken: I’ve noticed that women, even in mixed gender sports bars, can do both.

    @Frankensteinbeck: I’ve never considered a brief mention that some dude on the diamond has a nice butt a carnal comment (edit: especially since I can often see their point, in an academic sort of way). Still you have a point, there are bounds of reason that a lot men have trouble with.

  56. 56.

    cain

    @Ken: ​
     
    They have a lost the plot completely. Now it doesn’t matter. They’ll support any opposition from the outside world even if it is an enemy against Joe. But of course they are the most patriotic of all americans. lol.

  57. 57.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” If I had a nickel for every time I’ve been objectified…. ”

    Huh? I  thought you did have a nickel for every time. Seems likely given the standard Baudist problems of coming up with spare change.

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    No one believes in gun safety more than our responsible gun owners.

    WellRegulatedMilitia @Well_Regulated_
    A member of our well regulated militia leaves a loaded handgun in a bedroom drawer. His 12 year old son brings the gun to school and fires off a few shots in the hallway. The dad says he “had seen nothing…to indicate such an incident was possible.”

    The Star Tribune is not identifying the man to protect his juvenile son’s identity. Leaving the gun accessible to a minor could expose the man to prosecution.
    “I think he realizes the mistake he has made,” the father said. “I hope they can get him the help he needs.

    adding:

    The shots were fired into the ceiling, the school said in an online update.
    “Thank God there was a school resource officer there to de-escalate,” said Hennepin County Sheriff David Hutchinson, whose office assisted police on Monday.

    kind of sounds like the kid was looking for attention, but maybe just showing off for his friends?

  61. 61.

    Baud

    @jl:

    There was that one fundraiser.  A Nickel to Tickle the Pickle.  But the FEC said I couldn’t do that anymore.

  64. 64.

    Mallard Filmore

    @Baud:

     

    If I had a nickel for every time I’ve been objectified….

    I would be still waiting for that first nickel.

  67. 67.

    sdhays

    @Baud: You see, this is why you’re not the President. A Republican would have just told the FEC to fuck off and kept on doing it.

  68. 68.

    Ken

    @Baud: If I recall the dirty joke correctly, it ends with:

    MRS. BAUD:  “You earned eighty dollars and five cents selling your body?  Who gave you a nickel?”

    BAUD: “They all did.”

  70. 70.

    trollhattan

    California’s new AG has been in office a few hours now, so it’s clearly time to run against him. Our very own county DA, who I assumed would seek higher office after all her screen time with the Golden State murderer arrest, has decided it’s time and she’s the top cop for California.

    Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert is running to be the state’s top legal officer, laying plans to challenge newly sworn-in Attorney General Rob Bonta in 2022.

    In an exclusive interview with Sacramento Bee columnist Marcos Bretón, Schubert, 57, confirmed her candidacy for California attorney general early Monday morning.

    “I’ve done nothing else in my life other than being a public safety advocate,” Schubert told Bretón. “I’m running because I believe the system deserves balance. I believe that the attorney general job should not be political. I’ve learned over the last 30 years that no matter what your walk of life is, everyone wants the same thing: They want their community to be safe.”

    Schubert, known for prosecuting Golden State Killer Joseph James DeAngelo and pulling back the curtain on a massive unemployment payment fraud scheme, announced her run for attorney general just days after Bonta took his oath office. Schubert is expected to make a formal announcement at a press conference later Monday.

    Schubert, for years a Republican, changed her voter registration to no party preference voter more than two years ago.https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article250906864.html#storylink=cpy

    She’s a death penalty fan and I’d guess it will be a campaign issue. CA has supported the death penalty at the ballot box.

    In other California politics, we lose a House seat and the Newsom recall has enough signatures to qualify for the ballot.

    Busy dang Monday, none of it good.

  72. 72.

    Obdurodon

    I’m torn between saying we should just ignore Santorum et al ad nauseam, and explaining how wrong he is. How there were multiple sophisticated cultures here before us. How they taught us not only about farming and fishing, land and wildlife management, but about government itself. How elements of the Iroquois constitution inspired similar elements in our own constitution that Republicans piss on every day. How so much of what we did was wrong, how we’re acknowledging it, and what we’re going to do about that if the racist pricks don’t get in our way.

  74. 74.

    Roger Moore

    @jl:

    I say cancel anything with peanuts, tomatoes, potatoes, corn, winter squash, pumpkin, chocolate, chili peppers, vanilla, and who knows what else, in it.

    Agave, avocado, common bean, guava, pecan, pineapple, quinoa, sweet potato, tapioca, and wild rice are also new world plants.  You can also include turkey and muscovy duck as farm-raised meat, and just about any wild game hunters are likely to get.

  79. 79.

    Roger Moore

    @Wapiti: ​
     

    Culture: we got lacrosse and its spawn: soccer, water polo, ice hockey, and maybe basketball from the Native Americans.

    Lacrosse is clearly from Native Americans, but there are plenty of references to football and hockey- mostly in laws banning them- in pre-Columbian Europe. The idea of moving a ball down a field to score a goal seems to be simple enough to have been reinvented many times in different places.

  80. 80.

    mrmoshpotato

    @jl:

    I say cancel anything with peanuts, tomatoes, potatoes, corn, winter squash, pumpkin, chocolate, chili peppers, vanilla, and who knows what else, in it.

    Except peanut butter cups. I hereby dub them ‘Freedom Cups’, and we all may enjoy them henceforth.

    This is a very strange list of things you hate.

  81. 81.

    Barbara

    @Roger Moore: I thought field hockey, like chess, was originally from India? I could be wrong. So many things we were told as kids turned out to be wrong.

  83. 83.

    mrmoshpotato

    @FelonyGovt:

    Don’t get me started on that stupid rule… or on 7 inning no-hitters not “counting” as no-hitters… 

    Fuck this 7-inning double-header bullshit.  You slapdicks owe me 2 more innings per game!

  87. 87.

    Honus

    @H.E.Wolf: somehow I’m not impressed by a guy who kept a dead baby around his his house for several hours so he and his children could pass it around commenting about primitive cultures.

  88. 88.

    billcinsd

    @Origuy: I believe that initially there was considerable native copper in the vicinity of the Great Lakes, which makes using copper much easier

  92. 92.

    Ken

    @Barbara: Google suggests you’re thinking of the bambara, or African ground nut. LIke peanuts, it is a bean that ripens underground, but they are only distantly related. Peanuts are from South America, Google also tells me.

  94. 94.

    Roger Moore

    @Barbara:

    At least according to Wikipedia, there are images of people playing hockey-like games in ancient Egypt going back to something like 2000 BC, and there is oral history of hurling (a game similar to hockey) being played in Ireland as far back as 1200 BC.  It seems as if the basic concept is simple enough that it was probably invented separately in different places.

  95. 95.

    Kropacetic

    @jl: Other than the fact that I was joking, if I can get it all canceled…

    Potatoes will get a lucrative book deal. Yucca and avocado will be on fox news 4 days/week, 39 weeks/year telling everyone how they’re being silenced.

  96. 96.

    Ken

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Oh, not one of those games where you try to figure out the rule for the words?  “jl loves vanilla but hates peppers; loves glass but hates mirrors; loves toffee but hates butterscotch…”

  97. 97.

    BC in Illinois

    @RaflW:

    Always 1915 for those guys, isn’t it?

    In 1915, Santorum’s family was still in Italy. His father wasn’t born until 1923, didn’t emigrate until he was seven. So, like all descendants of immigrants, Rick Santorum is putting a lot of spin on the “we” of “We birthed a nation from nothing.”

    (This is a privilege given, perhaps, only to White descendants of immigrants. My g’father came from Austria-Hungary in the early 1900s. He didn’t start the tire factories of Akron, Ohio, from nothing.)

  98. 98.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Ken:

    Oh, not one of those games where you try to figure out the rule for the words?  “jl loves vanilla but hates peppers; loves glass but hates mirrors; loves toffee but hates butterscotch…”

    I believe the answer to that, and all of the game, is “Oh, fuck off!” ?

  99. 99.

    Kropacetic

    @Ken: Well, it appears everything jl hates is structured consonant, vowel, pair of a consonant, vowel, “rs,” a noun, a verb, 911.

  100. 100.

    gene108

    @sdhays:

    Santorum’s phrasing is not coincidental. It’s very clearly a reference to Birth of a Nation, a fascist white supremacist movie from the early 20th century.

    Adapted for the screen from the novel “The Klansmen”.

  101. 101.

    jl

    @Barbara: ‘ Aren’t peanuts from Africa? I thought they were called ground nuts, or is that something different? ‘

    If we want to get all nerdy, some of the crops from the Americas that spread around the world have relatives, distant or close, on other continents. And also there were unrelated crops that served a very similar purpose. There were tubers native to Europe that were a close equivalent of white potatoes, that those pre-historic, ancient and Medieval people there ate.

    I don’t know why those famous American contributions we know about swept the world, and their relatives from other places didn’t.  Maybe better tasting and more versatile, easier to grow, easier to breed?

    There is a New World native plum, and apricot (both almost unrecognizable compared to the cultivated varieties) , and there is the American persimmon. They didn’t take off. From what I’ve read the plum and apricot are tiny weird tasting sour little things that the SW Native Americans didn’t eat much.

    And then there is the mystery of the wonderful pawpaw. Why didn’t that take off?

  103. 103.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    I love baseball.  It’s my nighttime viewing for 6 months of the year.  I don’t give a rat’s ass about the extra inning runner on 2nd rule.  That’s my $0.02.

  108. 108.

    dexwood

    Here’s one example, Rick, you fucking asshole, Chaco Canyon and the Pueblos that followed. You fucking asshole.

  109. 109.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    If I had a nickel for every time I’ve been objectified….

    You’d still be broke (figuratively speaking).

  110. 110.

    NotMax

    Because of course they did.

    The news of Chloé Zhao’s Oscar win for Best Director has been censored on social media and search engines in China at the direction of the country’s propaganda ministry…. Source

  114. 114.

    SFAW

    @Barbara:

     I thought they were called ground nuts, or is that something different?

    No, that’s what Kevin McCarthy has, as a result of his visit to Mar-a-Loco.

  117. 117.

    NotMax

    @SFAW

    If there isn’t an obscure 1910s or 20s novelty number titled “They Put Pawpaws on the Pu-pu Platters in Walla Walla” there ought to be.

    :)

  118. 118.

    jl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Bob’s Big Boy and Baskin & Robbins are certainly known for their Armenian food. Sorry, you got me there!

    @SFAW: The wise have eyes in their head, the blind fall into the ditch. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.

  119. 119.

    Kayla Rudbek

    Open thread: I made it through surgery okay today.  No nausea or vomiting in recovery, but unsteady on my legs, and I fell asleep sitting upright on the couch about twice so far.  No knitting today either thanks to the IV in my right hand.  I can’t tell yet whether I am going to be smaller in the bust, although the plastic surgeon said that I should be happier with my post-operation breasts than my pre-operative.  I personally will wait to see on that. Time to get myself to bed now.

  121. 121.

    schrodingers_cat

    Covid-19 in India has finally hit close to home, husband kitteh’s aunt and cousin in Delhi have both tested positive and there is no hope of getting any medical help. The whole city is in utter chaos. On the plus side they both have had their first doses of the AZ vaccine. Hopefully their cases are mild and they recover

  123. 123.

    Another Scott

    As usual, Rick knows less than nothing.

    Wikipedia – The French and Indian War:

    The British colonists were supported at various times by the Iroquois, Catawba, and Cherokee tribes, and the French colonists were supported by Wabanaki Confederacy member tribes Abenaki and Mi’kmaq, and the Algonquin, Lenape, Ojibwa, Ottawa, Shawnee, and Wyandot tribes.[8] Fighting took place primarily along the frontiers between New France and the British colonies, from the Province of Virginia in the south to Newfoundland in the north. It began with a dispute over control of the confluence of the Allegheny River and Monongahela River called the Forks of the Ohio, and the site of the French Fort Duquesne at the location that later became Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The dispute erupted into violence in the Battle of Jumonville Glen in May 1754, during which Virginia militiamen under the command of 22-year-old George Washington ambushed a French patrol.[9]

    Him wanting to erase what was here is typical – no sense in knowing history when facts don’t matter…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  129. 129.

    SFAW

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Sorry to hear about the family’s — well, kitteh’s, but still — travails. Keeping my fingers crossed that the vaccine does its magic, and everyone is OK

  130. 130.

    SFAW

    @jl:

    The wise have eyes in their head, the blind fall into the ditch. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.

    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. The eagle flies at midnight.

  133. 133.

    StringOnAStick

    If you read the story, drinking the goat’s blood was part of the ritual these Nazi’s performed.   They sound like lovely people.

  135. 135.

    Ken

    @SFAW: On what do you base this “belief”?

    All things are relative. If the dumbest member of the Democratic Senate Caucus wandered into a meeting of the Republican Senate Caucus, the intelligence of the room would go up.

  138. 138.

    TomatoQueen

    I wonder whether the Bob’s Big Boy where my parents hung out in Glendale is still there. They met in 1950.

  139. 139.

    206inKY

    @jl: The Comanche empire crushed Mexico in the 1830s-1840s, and what we call the US-Mexican War was really just a footnote to this conflict. The US Army basically waltzed their way through an already-defeated land. But neither Mexico nor the United States were capable of seeing Indian power when it was staring them in the face. So they looked through them instead of at them: Mexico assumed the Comanche were pawns of the US, and the US assumed the indigenous conquest of northern Mexico was a sign of Mexican weakness rather than Comanche strength. The crazy thing is that this blindness continues into the present. Our textbooks mark the borderlands of this period as “disputed territory” instead of “the Comanche empire.” I don’t even know where to start with morons like Santorum. But even a lot of well-meaning liberals don’t understand the extent to which indigenous people shaped geopolitics in the western hemisphere.

    https://clas.berkeley.edu/research/us-mexican-war-forgotten-foes

  140. 140.

    206inKY

    @Ken: They’re all fuckers. But I think Biden should seriously consider acknowledging Native American genocide. He’s already taken clear steps to signal respect for Native sovereignty, and I think he’ll go down as a historic president in this regard. Acknowledging genocide on American soil is a lot harder to do than condemning others and would build serious credibility. The Armenian genocide statement is even more empty if it’s not followed with support for the Uyghurs, Palestinians, Rohingya, and Kurds, since it will just be perceived as typical American disdain toward the Muslim world.

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