When U.S. Catholic bishops hold their next national meeting in June, they’ll be deciding whether to send a tougher-than-ever message to President Joe Biden and other Catholic politicians: Don’t receive Communion if you persist in public advocacy of abortion rights.
At issue is a document that will be prepared for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops by its Committee on Doctrine, with the aim of clarifying the church’s stance on an issue that has repeatedly vexed the bishops in recent decades. It’s taken on new urgency now, in the eyes of many bishops, because Biden — only the second Catholic president — is the first to hold that office while espousing clear-cut support for abortion rights.
Such a stance, by a public figure, is “a grave moral evil,” according to Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, Kansas, who chairs the USCCB’s Committee on Pro-Life Activities and believes it’s necessary to publicly rebuke Biden on the issue.
You know what doesn’t “vex” these fuckers? Showing forgiveness and compassion towards child-raping priests. They do it all the time.
Afternoon Respite: My Work Here Is Done
PaulWartenberg
This would be a line getting crossed in the Separation of Church and State.
To which I say: Tax the Catholic Church. Tax those criminal conspiracists who spent decades covering up for pedophile priests. Investigate all those hospitals they bought up to prevent them from providing women’s health care.
J R in WV
So MUCH hypocrisy ~!!~ No actual morality…
If a hospital doesn’t provide health care based upon medical indications — NOT religious standards — should they retain a license to operate? I think not. Certainly should not receive any government money, seperation of church and State, right? Right?
Baud
If they follow through, it’ll hurt the church in the US more than Biden (politically).
Mike in NC
In the 1980s the Catholic Church decided to make common cause with the Republican Party over its medieval policies regarding abortion and birth control. Had it not, the GOP — essentially hostile to the church’s teachings on the treatment of the weak and the poor among us — might have faded away like the Whigs. Millions of us walked away from the church.
Chet
Didn’t they already withhold communion from Biden? I’m really sure this has already happened.
Kay
They really are good at their jobs. Rep. Boebert should think about doing some actual work- she’ll have less time to spend on stupid stunts.
mac8
Hypocrites. As a Catholic, these people are the reason why I am only one in name only anymore. Even aside from the child abuse, they also never talk about anyone’s support for the death penalty, which is also a grave evil, but apparently OK in their book.
Soprano2
Like I said in the other thread, the only orthodox Catholic position they care about politicians violating is one about women controlling their own bodies. Everything else, politicians get a pass. It’s disgusting.
I had quite a shock yesterday – I was catching up on my local paper (I still subscribe to the one they throw at your house every day) when I opened the Sunday obituaries and found one for a college friend who was 62. He was an ex-boyfriend who I later became friends with. Last I heard, he was having kidney dialysis and had lost quite a bit of weight (he had it to lose), but there was nothing about it being immediately life-threatening. He had been in the hospital, so he might have gotten Covid, but I couldn’t find anything public about that. I hadn’t seen him for years, but it was still quite upsetting. So, I closed my office door and I’m listening to the Verdi Requiem – the Dies Irae fits my mood today.
JaneE
What ever happened to follow your conscience?
If Jill became pregnant, then Joe’s personal opinion on the subject of abortion might be relevant. His personal opinion and his public one as representative of the American people and enforcer of American laws do not need to be the same. You don’t have to support abortion to support the right of individuals to make their own decisions. And if you believe that the poor are entitled to help with paying for health care, then why should not all their health care be eligible for help?
The Catholic church doesn’t see their position on abortion the way I do. And not all Catholics agree with all of their church’s positions. A good many Catholic women and their families broke with the church on contraception. No doubt the bishops would deny them communion also.
You are not allowed to force me to convert. Neither is the government allowed to force me to follow your doctrines. Biden is not telling women to have abortions. And the Catholic bishops lost any moral authority they might have claimed decades ago.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
I think the USCCB is overwhelmingly populated by assholes that Ratzinger elevated.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
Can they even do this if the Pope says no to it? I would think not. Personally, for most of my life I thought religion was a mixed bag but mostly a force for good. My parents are religious and have done tons of charity and other good works through their church. They’re not Catholic – they’re some of the dwindling number of protestant evangelicals who have absolutely no use for TFG – but I know Catholics that are similar to my parents, and in fact more of them seem to be more dedicated to charity and good works than most evangelicals.
That said, given what has come out about the Catholic Church over the past 3 decades give or take, it’s hard not to suspect that whoever dreamed up the “theological” underpinnings of the church’s anti-abortion stance did so not through a legitimate interpretation of the Bible, or God’s will, but in order to keep the firehose of vulnerable children that could be molested by pederast priests at peak flow. It takes nearly an infinite number of good works and charity to make up for that.
Pete Mack
I rather prefer the Episcopal Church to the Catholic. All the show, but none of the weirdness. When I lived in Seattle, the Compline Mass at St Marks Cathedral was a go-to event. That’s what *real* communion looks like–every part of society is well represented.
Ksmiami
The largest religious category- people who’ve fled the Catholic Church.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Pete Mack: I think the Lutherans kept most of the high church ceremony too.
Kay
This is a contractor relationship, which may or may not be fine with people, but let’s at least be clear about what it is. Calling it “Catholic Charities” is borderline misleading at this point.
Kay
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
Isn’t it between them and Joe Biden? Why are they dragging the entire country into it?
Derelict
Support abortion? No communion because that’s against Church doctrine.
Divorced multiple times? Come and get your communion! Serial adulterer? Here, have communion. Support the death penalty? Communion for you! Persecute the poor? Great! It’s not like Jesus said anything about that. Have some communion!
germy
Bishop to celebrate Mass for survivors of sexual abuse April 29
Soprano2
@Derelict: For God’s sake, they were perfectly OK with Newt Gingrich’s wife being the ambassador to the Vatican!!! They are the worst religious hypocrites.
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@germy: I love that all of the New York dioceses will be bankrupt as soon as the over 1,000 lawsuits that have been filed under the Child Victims Act get litigated.
Kay
Couldn’t they just call the politicians at issue and tell them?
Do they do all their communications with their church members by press release? Seems like it should be a private conversation to me.
germy
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix:
Yes, that clock is ticking. I think they know it, too. Hence all the public relations efforts.
Kay
@Soprano2:
One of my sisters says the Pompeos are the “lower rent” Gingriches.
I treasure her :)
Percysowner
@J R in WV: I totally agree they shouldn’t receive Medicare/Medicaid funds if they won’t offer every legal medical option. Licensing is by state and way too many states will never impose that requirement.
@Chet: Biden has been refused communion a few times, depending on the parish he was in. Also, John Kerry, Mario Cuomo and Rudy Guiliani have all been refused communion at one time or another.
topclimber
@Kay: All it takes is one priest (a Jesuit no doubt) to ignore the Bishops and give Biden communion or any other rite of the Church. That was the Kerry and Ted Kennedy solution in the days of Darth Pope and JP II.
Anyone who wouldn’t vote for Biden over the single issue of abortion has already voted GOP.
What makes the bishops even more irrelevant in this matter is that they insist on human life starting at conception. Not when there is an actual fetal heartbeat, or a being capable of feeling pain much less one that is viable. So that makes a lot birth control impossible. Talk about a winning argument!
Villago Delenda Est
Joseph Naumann really needs to go home and rethink his life, because what he’s doing is essentially screaming at the tide not to come in.
WhatsMyNym
@Pete Mack: AND there’s always the Washington National Cathedral down the street (Cathedral of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington).
Though they are online only right now.
Kay
@topclimber:
As far as I’m concerned they’re another interest group, and, in this case, a government contractor who lobby for public funding.
Lots of people and entities want lots of things from government. They don’t have any special claim to preferred treatment, other than the higher status they granted themselves, which, as it turns out, I’m under no obligation to recognize. They’re already exempt from taxes. That seems like enough.
les
@topclimber: That’s not (or wasn’t when I left long ago) the Catholic position–doctrine was the soul gets plopped in at birth. They object to abortion because it’s birth control, just like they object to the pill, tubal ligation, vasectomy, etc. Very small point for them.
ETA: also lets them out of defending god as the greatest baby killer, given 15-20% miscarriage rates. Unlike the every sperm is sacred crowd.
Ken
I was going to suggest that maybe these Bishops would be happier in a strongly-Catholic country like Italy or Ireland, but, well….
Damien
I’ll make sure to file these childfuckers’ moral judgements in the same place where I put Republicans’. They should be comfortable there, it’s a place where the sun don’t shine
Villago Delenda Est
@Mike in NC:
What happened is that the racist Southern fundigelicals were under fiscal assault by Jimmy Carter’s IRS over their segregationist academies, and were looking for allies, so in order to find some, they forgot about their non-concern about abortion to court reactionary Catholics who wouldn’t swallow the segregation position.
Villago Delenda Est
@les: The true sin is giving women agency over their own bodies, because then men don’t get to dictate women’s health needs.
Anya
Police executing unarmed black people, and little kids in cages are “a grave moral evil” you amoral shitbags.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
They love to wear their piety on their sleeves, but they are highly selective in which parts they pay attention to. This is bad enough when it comes from an ordinary hypocrite, but it’s worse coming from a bishop who is supposed to care about every part of the Church’s teachings.
BC in Illinois
I want my politicians to be pro-life. You know . . .
That sort of thing. Only one political party is involved in these things.
And then let’s move on to questions of torture, death penalty, and justice for the poor . . .
Baud
I read the article.
Biden will have no trouble finding places to get communion.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Women stuff makes Catholic priests all uncomfortable and stuff, that’s why they like the children. As a thoroughly lapsed RC who escaped the church unmolested, I wish them all a hot afterlife with lots of pitchforks.
Fuck these kiddy-diddling religious fucks with rusty farm machinery.
JanieM
“Child Molester Shelter Owners” — I call them the International Pedophile Protection Ring, IPPR for short.
I was raised Catholic and eventually realized I was gay, with all that implies in relation to the Catholic church. Seeing these megalomaniacs still having the unmitigated gall to lecture the rest of us about “grave moral evil” makes my blood boil. If they were even remotely what they think they are, they’d all be on their knees in hermit-like isolation praying for forgiveness for the rest of their god(and I mean that literally)forsaken lives.
Yes, tax ’em. And that’s the least of it.
Ruckus
@Kay:
Doing actual work is against everything she stands for.
Doing anything smart is against everything she stands for.
Being a complete pain and a complete ass is all she knows.
Steeplejack (phone)
From that article:
Baud
@Steeplejack (phone): It’s a modern form of indulgences.
Ruckus
@JaneE:
Part of the problem is that the church’s idea is that you don’t have any rights that the church doesn’t give you. The church sets all the laws, anything else is free, unless they change their minds and you should have known that and not done whatever. Oh and any ordained male person can do anything they want, as long as they don’t get caught.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay:
that’s one of the meanest sentences I’ve ever read
I applaud your sister
ETA: My father, born in 1929, used to get together with a group of old classmates from his parochial school, including a couple of lifelong frenemies, and he was probably the only
DemocratObama voter (“Democrats” in that they were ethnic Irish Chicagoans) in the group. Most of the old men were suspicious of Francis as a “modernist”, not a compliment. It was after one of those gatherings that my father told me that one of the old geezers was enthusiastic about trump. We thought it was funny. Like when Archie Bunker wrote in Reagan in 1976.geg6
Fuck these mother fuckers. They have no moral authority at all. And never will again. Fuck them with rusty scissors.
Bill
@Chet:
There was a lot of that with John Kerry in 2004
Raven
@geg6: I posted this in the “author” thread. “
@geg6: What bothers me about you is that I never quite know how you feel about a topic.”
A Ghost to Most
Half the problem are the enablers and the Apologists.
Hoodie
@Steeplejack (phone): This comports with some things a friend told me. He’s a devout Catholic who used to devote a lot of time and treasure to the Church but has soured on it because of the pedophile scandals and the endless money-grubbing. He thinks it’s been exacerbated by the vast sums the Church has had to shell out in sexual abuse settlements.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Holy Shit
This changes everything!
And the Draft is just 3 ½ away.
Cermet
I’d say fuck them but they’d enjoy that. These worthless ass wipes don’t read their own fucking bible – god clearly loves abortion: first, he gives instructions for rabbi’s on how to induce an abortion (yes, god’s magic is used but isn’t that the case for all parts of that silly book.) Second, a number of woman are sentenced to death while they are pregnant and no, the sentence isn’t delayed to allow the fetus to progress and be born. The bible requires only payment for a loss pregnancy if the result of another person’s doing if I recall correctly.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore:
That Jesus fella had something to say about that.
Raven
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: fuck the packers
geg6
@Derelict:
As the possibly most hostile ex-Catholic ever to live, I have to be fair. You cannot have communion if you are divorced multiple times unless you have paid for and received an annulment for each and every one. So that part is not really true. The rest? Yeah, and much worse, too.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: We may need to do a welfare check on Omnes.
trollhattan
Poor Joe, still on double-secret probation.
trollhattan
Government overreach I completely support.
lollipopguild
@Mike in NC: I know lots of Catholics who have walked away in recent years because they felt the church was not Conservative enough. I sorta hope they kick Biden out, Biden will be fine, he is strong, smart and tough.
LeftCoastYankee
Old men who’ve taken an unnatural life-long vow of celibacy and like wearing silly phallic hats, should probably not be saying anything about human reproduction.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Fuck these bishops. Francis loves Biden. That’s what is important. (photo)
Cermet
Also, some protestant minister’s aren’t really any better, either. And they too have a huge problem with pedophilia and breaking marriage vows. Not as much as the catholics but very serious and rarely noted by the national news.
Kay
@trollhattan:
I love my electric lawnmower. Love. I’m never going back.
geg6
@Raven:
LOL! I’m well known IRL for that trait.
lollipopguild
@BC in Illinois: You are SO demanding! I agree with you 100%.
PST
@PaulWartenberg:
What upsets me the most is when Catholic hospital systems are sold to for-profit corporations, yet condition the sale on the continued restrictions on the treatment of women’s reproductive health. That has happened frequently over the last fifteen years.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: and 33 YO Tim Tebow is “requesting” a try-out from Jacksonville
he can’t get work appearing at car dealerships or selling insurance in Florida? start his own church? that’s lucrative, I gather
Brachiator
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
Good point. Of course, there are ultra-conservative Catholic religious leaders trying to take Francis down.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
A-a-ron Rodgers recently got engaged to actress and activist Shailene Woodley (she’s a board of director for Bernie’s Our Revolution).
And they are so hilarious together (video)
Another Scott
Early in Kamala’s first term I hope she appoints a commission to examine the first and second amendments and recommend re-interpretations/re-examinations.
E.g. The idea of a state church, and taxes to support that church (whether one is a member or not) is a bad one. Morphing that into “anything calling itself a church is exempt from all taxes, and any also exempt from all laws if they claim it’s against their religion” is an exceedingly bad one.
Someone here noted yesterday (ish) that last year Greece’s Golden Dawn party was ruled a criminal group by the courts there. The first amendment isn’t a suicide pact and sensible interpretation is needed.
Plus, the Catholic leadership has a long history of being quite hypocritical about reproductive matters, also too.
Cheers,
Scott.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@trollhattan: I got an electric mower a couple years back. When we bought our house I got a push reel one but wasn’t diligent enough about mowing and if the grass gets too long the push reel won’t cut well, and then you have to spend half the afternoon shoving that thing around the yard going over and over every inch multiple times.
That electric mower was a revelation compared to the gas ones I grew up with. Yeah, keeping the cord out of the way is a minor inconvenience. But…it’s near featherweight and it starts with the push of a button rather than multiple yanks on the starter cord that used to be required to start the gas ones. I don’t know why we didn’t have electric mowers in the ’80s. They’re so much better. Not that, back then, they would have reduced carbon emissions but it would have made some difference with smog.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Green Bay’s future is now in Jeopardy
Raven
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: lithium dude
The Pale Scot
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
I’m partial to his attitude about the packers drafting a qb last year instead of trying for another championship, but that ain’t going to fly except for maybe the Texans
Tony Jay
I’ll be happy to listen to their opinions on ‘grave moral evil’ when just one of these Men’s Rights Medievalists can prove they’ve lifted the tiniest pinkie finger to purge their Church of all those Clerical Errors who they knew full well were always ordering veal despite it being strictly off the menu.
Until then, no interest whatsoever.
Another Scott
@Mike in NC: It’s all politics and religion getting (and continuing) to be tied up with it while wrapping themselves in the Bible and the First Amendment.
repost – NewYorker – Jill Lepore – Birthright.
It was a calculated political strategy to separate Catholics and Democrats.
If the priests want to be an arm of the GQP, fine. They’re political action committees, they get taxed, they open their books, they lose all the “but they’re a church” exceptions.
Bring it on, Pudgy…
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
@Kay:
If we still had a lawn that’s what I’d have. As it is I have cordless string trimmer and blower, and some day will spring for a goll dang chainsaw that uses the same battery.
During fire season (now roughly June-December) the dudes are out blowing dust and debris around with their two-cycle blowers when the AQI is 400. I can’t comprehend it.
Just Chuck
@PST: The Catholic Church already is a for-profit corporation.
Another Scott
@trollhattan: Interesting.
I’m old enough to remember when lawn service people used to use water hoses to clean up sidewalks, driveways, etc. But then localities outlawed that (because it was a huge waste of water).
Yeah, gas powered leaf blowers satisfied that need, but are hugely annoying (probably damaging the hearing of people who use them even with protection), and small engines are indeed polluting. Fortunately, there’s lots of electric stuff now so it shouldn’t be too painful to replace them…
Cheers,
Scott.
taumaturgo
@JanieM: This is the largest daycare children abuse organization in the world. I’m baffled as to why good-hearted Catholics continue to sponsor such a horrific enterprise.
Martin
@trollhattan: Jesus fuck, it’s about time.
We’ve been using all electric for a few years now, and professional gardeners could make the switch. It’d benefit from electrifying their trucks so they could charge batteries off of the truck battery.
I know that’s way more expensive than any CA gardener I’ve ever met (all are either first generation immigrant or illegal/PR) but the state could offer up interest free loans to ease that transition.
patrick II
It is a minor matter in the context of church laws about life and abortion, but eating meat on Friday would send me to hell to burn forever one week, and then the next week in 1966 it wouldn’t. It made the church’s “laws” seem much more arbitrary all of a sudden.
LongHairedWeirdo
What’s really vexing is, unless the official position of the Roman Catholic Church is, “every nation must by ruled by a government writing laws consistent with Roman Catholic doctrine,” there’s already a good and proper response for Mr. Biden: he is using one of Jesus’ teachings, to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Regulation of non-Catholics regarding Catholic doctrine is not the responsibility of the state, in the absence of such an position, and it would be improper for him to be in favor of such regulation.
They could shake their finger at Joe Biden if he said something like “no one should care if a woman has an abortion,” because Catholics should care. But for supporting freedom for women to make their own moral choices, without interference from the government? They don’t have a leg to stand on.
(And *THEN* we can talk about the sheltering and enabling of abusers.)
Kay
@trollhattan:
I like to mow grass so the quieter electric is just so nice. I got two batteries so I just stick one on the charger and switch them out when the first runs down. I feel like when people catch on to this there will be millions of perfectly good gas mowers no one wants.
I already gave mine away. I’m getting ahead of that :)
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@J R in WV: Actually many hospital systems in the U.S. are owned by the Catholic church, and why yes they do let Catholic religious doctrine over-rule accepted medical practices. Women denied needed medical care at Catholic hospitals
“The church also won’t allow doctors to terminate ectopic pregnancies until a woman is in mortal danger. In these pregnancies, the embryo implants outside of the uterus, most often in a fallopian tube, where it grows and can rupture the tube, potentially causing fatal bleeding. The bishops consider ending these unviable pregnancies a “direct abortion” unless a woman’s life is immediately at risk. A doctor quoted in a recent study commissioned by the National Women’s Law Center (NWLC) reported seeing several near-fatal tubal ruptures at her Catholic-affiliated hospital.”
This is fucking bullshit
Do bishops run your hospital?
Gin & Tonic
OT, but I see Victoria Nuland has been confirmed as Under Secretary of State for Policy. I bet old friend of the blog BiP is apoplectic.
Taken4Granite
@Kay: I switched to an electric lawnmower back in 2007 and have never looked back.
There are some annoyances, like generally not having enough charge to do the whole yard in one session, but OTOH I don’t have to walk the half mile to the gas station every few weeks to fill the gas can, and I don’t have to keep gas anywhere in the garage other than the gas tank of my car.
When I finally broke down and got a snowblower, I went for an electric model there too. It too has its limitations, particularly with wet snow that the plows have compacted, but it gets the job done.
Arclite
I don’t see the conflict here. The more children that are born, the more they can feed their sex-starved pedo clergy. It’s win-win for the church.
debbie
Fucking bastards. Communion means a lot to Joe.
Arclite
@mac8:
Jesus received the death penalty. If it was good enough for Jesus…
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
@Kay: They are NOISY. So what I do is wear noise cancelling headphones, with ear buds and listen to a podcast or music.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@trollhattan:
But if people stop using gas powered blowers, how will they irritate the living fuck out of me on early evenings, weekends and holidays with useless lot clearing?
MomSense
Moderna #2 packs a punch.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
trollhattan
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
Recalling how Democratic senators on Judiciary were warned away from asking Amy Coathanger about her religious views, I can only cite the vast change from six decades ago.
trollhattan
@Kay:
Same, gave away the Toro that Would Not Die* to a friend with a new home, and lawn to mow. Win-win.
*Seriously. 25 years on it just needed oil, filter and spark plug changes
Benw
@MomSense: wife got Moderna #2 this morning. She’s been gearing up for side effects and so far nada. She says it’s strangely disappointing :D
ETA: hope you feel better soon!
Baud
@Benw:
It usually hits the next day.
Benw
@Baud: that’ll cheer her up!
Arclite
@MomSense:
As does Pfizer #2. Can attest.
MomSense
@Benw:
Took 24 hours for mine to start. ????
Baud
@Benw:
I hope she enjoys the new tail!
WaterGirl
@MomSense: Yes, it does. Sorry about that. On the bright side, we know your immune system is working!
J R in WV
@topclimber:
Fixed this for you.
They also want brain dead patients to be kept on “life support” indefinitely. Having had my wife on that process for some weeks, just nope. If you might recover eventually, sure. Otherwise, turn me off, please. Fate worse than death, being on “life support” for an extended time.
trollhattan
On the air quality topic, this is the local electric utility.
I’m beginning to think this whole “community-owned” concept has some merit.
Steeplejack
Checking in on Ari Melber’s show for the first time in quite a while. Olivia Nuzzi is on, and she looks like she has had her lips pooched out with Botox to an alarming degree. Looks very different from how I remember her, although I haven’t seen her since probably before the election.
Okay, that’s my shallow, lookist comment for the week.
ETA: Looked at some images on the Google, and something is definitely different.
Amir Khalid
@Gin & Tonic:
Ah, BinP. I still remenber how hard he worked to convince me that Ukraine shot down MH17.
VeniceRiley
@Benw: Moderna #2 was on a strange 30 hour delay of fx for me. Keep the gatorade and aspirin handy.
debbie
@Steeplejack:
(Filler, not Botox.)
MomSense
@Baud:
My phone is wicked fast and I don’t even have to use my thumbs to comment now!
Steeplejack
Ari Melber just played a clip of Rudy Giuliani griping about being “raided” at 6:00 a.m. “Ridiculous!” Gee, I wonder how many dawn raids he signed off on while he was the U.S. attorney in New York? ? (All of them, Katie.)
(I know he probably didn’t dictate the timing, but I’m also sure he never wrote a memo saying, “Hey, guys, bankers’ hours on the raids, okay?”)
Benw
@MomSense: yee haw!
@Baud: Thanks! I got Pfizer so I just grew the stupid horns
Steeplejack
@debbie:
Thanks; I’m not up to date on my cosmetic technology.
J R in WV
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone:
Indeed, I am well aware that many hospitals are owned by Catholic organizations or operated according to rules set out by Bishops of the Catholic “church”. This is why I say that none of those “church” hospitals should receive a nickel from a government program, like Medicare/Medicaid or Obamacare.
Every nickel those groups make supports the child abuse complex that religions schools are.
And they don’t treat perfectly treatable medical conditions.
No reason for these organizations to receive government monies, many reasons they shouldn’t.
Benw
@VeniceRiley: we’re stocked up!
30 hrs would mean she has to work tomorrow and be sick all weekend! Worst possible outcome ;)
Steeplejack
Nice image juxtaposition with Kamala Harris from last night.
Another Scott
One for all the barristers here…
Hehe.
(Good decision.)
Cheers,
Scott.
Barbara
@Steeplejack: At 6:00 am you are less likely to encounter traffic or people out walking their dogs, who might hop on the phone and call media. OTOH, the subject of the warrant is less likely to be able to speedily secure a lawyer to look over the warrant.
J R in WV
@Benw:
Oh, darn. Do you suppose I could get Pfizer now, after my Moderna, for the horns?!?!
Now I’m really jealous!!
Spanky
@MomSense: For some, but not all. Sorry you’re in the “some” category. I wasn’t.
rikyrah
@Kay: competence upsets them
cain
@Cermet: Breaking marriage vows, jet set life, and eyeing their pool boys speculatively (cuz they are rich enough to have em) and also expensive liquor.
VeniceRiley
@Benw: I was only sick for an afternoon and evening. 30 hours was the onset time. But some painkiller/feverkiller did the trick.
rikyrah
@Kay:
????
Benw
@J R in WV: lol don’t cross the streams!!
Robert Sneddon
@VeniceRiley: Same here — my second AstraZeneca vaccination was Wednesday lunchtime, I got the shivers and head-filled-with-feathers about thirty hours later, but no fever. Going to bed now. I’ve got codeine/paracetamol waiting for me tomorrow if this persists. I don’t know if it will do me good but I won’t care. The colours, man. Whee.
evodevo
@Benw: Take an ibuprofen/tylenol….or both! Did the trick for Mr. Evodevo and me when our side effects showed up 10 hrs later….
J R in WV
After my second Moderna shot, I slept for two days, was fine for a day, they woke up with muscle cramps and spasms, which have dwindled over the past 3 weeks, but are still a pain in the you know where. Everywhere, actually.
Would love some horns, or a prehensile tail, though. Would take the Moderna shots, or any others in a flat heartbeat…
Jay
Never owned a gas powered lawnmower.
My grandparents replaced their push/reel mower with a Sunbeam electric in the 50’s, that wound up going to my Uncle in the early ‘80’s, and finally died 20 years after Sunbeam went out of business.
My Dad had a Black and Decker from the 70’s that he used into the ‘Aughts, when he gave it away to a local kid who had started a business in local, neighborhood lawn care.
When I got my first house in the late 80’s, I inherited my Grandparents push mower, which I electrified with a couple of pulleys, a belt, and a General Purpose 10amp/120v motor salvaged from a bench grinder. Eventually my ex broke it.
Replaced it with a Craftsman electric mulcher/bagger in the mid 90’s, which I still have, ( in storage).
We have 3 gas powered Slumlord* Mowers in Tool Rental and they are a PITA to keep running. (* really, you have a lawn, don’t own a lawnmower, so once, every couple of months, when you are threatened by the ByLaws Officer, with fines, you cut the lawn? Take the f’n lawn out, put in thyme and zeriscape).
Kent
Clearly we need to reconsider whether conservative Catholics should be eligible to hold office in the United States. Since this bunch of bishops are clearly saying that being Catholic is inconsistent with the oath of office that every Federal office holder takes to uphold the constitution.
If they insist then OK. I will hereafter consider conservative Catholicism and Federal office to be incompatible.
PaulWartenberg
Speaking of child molesters, what the hell is happening with this Duggar arrest?
Ken
Both companies are running tests on the effect of mixing the vaccines, since it could be important for boosters. You could volunteer to be a test subject. You might want to keep quiet about your motives.
JDM
You must admit that they take a hard line about any of their priests getting an abortion. They probably figure that makes up for the child-raping part.
phein62
I grew up going to Catholic schools in Kansas City “north of the river” in the 1960s. Recently found out that two of the priests in our parish, including a Very Right Reverend, were repeat sexual abusers the Archdiocese had to pay for. I’m guessing I was too obnoxious or too much of a smart-ass to be a target, but I’m afraid to ask my older brother.
Super Dave
The Roman Catholic Church is one of, if not the largest and richest criminal enterprise on the planet. Anyone giving that organization an ounce of moral authority on any subject is either brainwashed or a moron. I have Catholic family members who agree with that hot take.
WaterGirl
@phein62: I think I would share what I learned with my older brother, and see where the conversation went. But that’s just me; you know your relationship and I do not.
Irishweaver
@topclimber: It was a Jesuit, Leo O’Donovan, who spoke at the inauguration, so you may be onto something!
phein62
@WaterGirl: I think, I’m 62, it’s been more than 50 years and I was still nauseated at the news (a FB friend from grade school’s family posted the info after his passing; turns out there was an organized collection of former parishioners petitioning the Vatican to deny two of the priests Catholic burial (!)). What is my 65 year-old brother going to feel, if it turns out to be news to him? vs What is he going to feel if he has to revisit any issues? vs Is there any benefit to bringing up something he hasn’t? Still thinking about it.
phein62
@Super Dave: The way my late mother from a very Catholic family put it in 1976, the Catholic Church no longer spoke to her or for her.
smedley the uncertain
@Steeplejack: So What? Her business not yours.
Every fucking body is a critic.
Benw
@evodevo: thanks! Fingers crossed
Another Scott
@PaulWartenberg:
That’s all I’ve seen.
These all-week Teabagger news dumps are kinda fun.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@phein62: I get what you’re saying. The other side of it is, what if he has heard about it and he has no one to process it with? We can what if this in both directions.
He’s your brother and you obviously care about him. I’m sure you’ll make the right choice, whatever it is.
Kosh III
@Percysowner:
“Rudy Guiliani have all been refused communion”
At least they had the good sense to deny Beelzebub communion.
Kosh III
More stupidity
https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/14098/young-people-desert-church-after-same-sex-ruling