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Constantly Being Led Astray

by @heymistermix.com|  April 30, 202110:32 am| 132 Comments

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We haven’t had a post about the latest Matt Gaetz news — the Daily Beast got hold of his moron buddy Joel Greenberg’s confession. What’s new in the document is that after they found out that they had been having sex with a seventeen year-old girl, they did the gentlemanly thing and waited for her birthday before continuing to pay her to have sex. Also, Roger Stone set his Signal messages to auto-delete, but Greenberg took screen shots of their discussions about a pardon for Gaetz.

I don’t know about you, but looking at photos of Gaetz have always brought up a real “there’s something bad wrong with that boy” feeling for me. God knows what kind of life that seventeen year-old girl had that got her caught up with these two slimeballs.

Anyway, Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor-Greene are going on a nationwide joint appearance RINO hunt, since Gaetz’ Daddy Trump has decided that the best use of every Trumpy Republican’s time is to root out anyone who isn’t a true believer.

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  1. 1.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 10:38 am

    Dear @GOPLeader: Please remove Rep Matt Gaetz from the House Judiciary Committee immediately. The Committee has jurisdiction over the Department of Justice that is investigating Rep Gaetz, including allegedly for sex crimes with a minor. This is an untenable conflict of interest. https://t.co/H3ZzJYoCzs

    — Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) April 30, 2021

  2. 2.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 10:39 am

    Is it Gaetz’s time in the barrel?

  3. 3.

    rp

    April 30, 2021 at 10:43 am

    Is that a Sharon Van Etten reference? Have you seen the Seventeen performance on Tiny Desk Concerts?

  4. 4.

    Just Chuck

    April 30, 2021 at 10:43 am

    Gaetz has hitched his wagon to MTG now?  I guess the backhoe wasn’t digging his career’s grave fast enough.  Alexa, order all the popcorn.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    April 30, 2021 at 10:43 am

    they did the gentlemanly thing and waited for her birthday before continuing to pay her to have sex

    Chivalry is not dead!

  6. 6.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    April 30, 2021 at 10:47 am

    @rp: Yep.  I saw her tiny desk and probably everything else she’s got on YouTube.  Have you seen Lucinda Williams’ cover of Save Yourself?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErZXAeT1QMY

  7. 7.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 10:51 am

    Kevin McCarthy will respond to the Greenberg Confession Letter detailing Matt Gaetz's statutory rape by reserving judgement, waiting for all the facts, and denying having seen the story.

    Then he will hear Biden is banning hamburgers on Fox and hold an emergency press conference.

    — Mr. Newberger (@jeremynewberger) April 30, 2021

  8. 8.

    Chief Oshkosh

    April 30, 2021 at 10:54 am

    The full article at Daily Beast is pretty damning for Stone, Gaetz, and Greenberg. But even more astounding is that it alludes to a process whereby Trump was selling pardons. The going price was apparently $250K. What Stone’s cut was is unknown, but it would be hilarious if Trump and Stone go at each others’ throats because I’ll bet that Trump will be pissed off that Stone took any cut at all.

    Jesus does not love me enough for all of that to go public.

  9. 9.

    Mike in NC

    April 30, 2021 at 10:54 am

    Sipping my coffee this morning, I read in the newspaper that South Carolina is bringing back the electric chair and firing squads, because there can never be enough ways to kill people. Jesus H Christ, what is wrong with the GQP?

  10. 10.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    April 30, 2021 at 10:57 am

    I wish the MAGAt duo luck in their “RINO hunt”, just as long as they mount literal heads on walls.

  11. 11.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    April 30, 2021 at 10:59 am

    I’ll admit to enjoying sex with 17 year old girls – when I was 15-18. After that, I considered them off limits, flighty and kinda clumsy (as you’d expect).

    Guys like Matt strike me as incredibly juvenile, and don’t have any confidence that adult women will ignore their self-absorbed bullshit.

  12. 12.

    rp

    April 30, 2021 at 11:01 am

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: No, I’ll have to watch that.

  13. 13.

    Ken

    April 30, 2021 at 11:01 am

    Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor-Greene are going on a nationwide joint appearance RINO hunt,

    On the positive side, it keeps them away from Congress.

  14. 14.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2021 at 11:01 am

    @Chief Oshkosh: I’ll bet that Trump will be pissed off that Stone took any cut at all.  Jesus does not love me enough for all of that to go public.

    Now, now…let’s give Jesus just a little more time to love you exactly that much… =)

    Selling pardons, oh my.  Explain that one away, MAGAts.

  15. 15.

    Kay

    April 30, 2021 at 11:02 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    His denial of “paying for sex” amuses me, because it’s clear he finds that becoming known as humiliating.

  16. 16.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    April 30, 2021 at 11:03 am

    Kevin McCarthyGlenn Greenwald will respond to the Greenberg Confession Letter detailing Matt Gaetz’s statutory rape by reserving judgement, waiting for all the facts, and denying having seen the story.

    Then he will hear Biden is banning hamburgers on Fox and hold an emergency press conference.

    — Mr. Newberger

    FTFY

    Glenn has been so manic about picking fights the past two weeks that I suspect his marital bliss is soon to be upended, primarily due to his obnoxious personality and absence of character.

  17. 17.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 30, 2021 at 11:04 am

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    But even more astounding — and yet not in the tiniest bit surprising — is that it alludes to a process whereby Trump was selling pardons.

    Just sayin’ what we all know.

    (Edited to fix blockquote.)

  18. 18.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2021 at 11:05 am

    Back to Gaetz and Greene…we Dems really do owe them a debt of gratitude.

    “I’ve been stripped of all my committee assignments!” “I’m about to be indicted for sex trafficking a minor!” “Sooooo…let’s trash-talk some of our fellow Republicans…excuse me, Republicans IN NAME ONLY!”

    I’m trying to think of an appropriate metaphor for the GQP, 2020-2024, and it’s something like ‘Lord of the Flies, only set on the Hindenburg‘

    Ah well, at least America has an excellent center-center party to turn to for leadership and progress…

  19. 19.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    April 30, 2021 at 11:06 am

    @Kay:

    Truthfully, there would be no shortage of drunk 25 year old staffers who would be available to him for free, at least until he exposed his personality; they’d have to be super drunk, though. Any level of sobriety, and they’d be gone before he got around to saying “what are you drinking?”

  20. 20.

    Steeplejack

    April 30, 2021 at 11:08 am

    Gaetz/Greenberg:

    ?? truth pic.twitter.com/FVGTReuR7G

    — Martie (@MamaBearMartie) April 30, 2021

  21. 21.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2021 at 11:12 am

    It finally dawned on me who Mattie Gaetz reminds me of. Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, after the lobotomy.

  22. 22.

    Amir Khalid

    April 30, 2021 at 11:12 am

    @germy:
    America needs President Biden to denounce this malarkey: “Nobody’s banning hamburgers for the Fourth of July, ya k’nookkel-heads.”

  23. 23.

    Kay

    April 30, 2021 at 11:16 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    I think he showed the nude photos to his (fellow) gross Republican colleagues to brag and gloat and raise his stature among (horrible) people and neglected to mention he was paying for it.

    They probably all knew though.

  24. 24.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 11:16 am

    @Jeffro:

    Dems in Disarray!

  25. 25.

    Chyron HR

    April 30, 2021 at 11:16 am

    But who’s going to break the news to Nestor?

  26. 26.

    smith

    April 30, 2021 at 11:16 am

    @Amir Khalid:  I think he’d more likely say, “God love ya, man.” It’s his version of “Bless your heart.”

  27. 27.

    Just Chuck

    April 30, 2021 at 11:17 am

    @Jeffro:

    Explain that one away, MAGAts.

    Never gonna happen.  They’ll just gish-gallop you with unrelated bullshit until you get tired and walk away.  There’s no point in trying to convince a cultist.

  28. 28.

    raven

    April 30, 2021 at 11:18 am

    @Spanky: I’m sure you remember Randall’s quote to the shrink. I’ll leave most of it out. “She was 15 going on 35 Doc and she told me she was 18. . . “

  29. 29.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    April 30, 2021 at 11:18 am

    @Kay:

    They absolutely knew, and let it go.

  30. 30.

    Kay

    April 30, 2021 at 11:19 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    If I was his fiance and he had nude pictures I’d worry that he’s the kind of person who shows them to other people. Because he is. We all know that now.

    Just appalling. That alone should get him kicked from Congress.

  31. 31.

    raven

    April 30, 2021 at 11:20 am

    @Kay: He could be the head of the RNC!

  32. 32.

    Amir Khalid

    April 30, 2021 at 11:20 am

    @smith:

    I know; but just once, I’d like to hear Joe Biden talk like Moe Howard.

  33. 33.

    Heidi Mom

    April 30, 2021 at 11:22 am

    Re “something bad wrong with that boy”: The “young mobster” look doesn’t help.

  34. 34.

    patrick II

    April 30, 2021 at 11:26 am

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix:

    There is a wonderful Filipina singer named Morissette Amon who does an incredible and joyful at home zoom version of Fly Like a Bird. I recommend it highly.

  35. 35.

    Kay

    April 30, 2021 at 11:29 am

    @raven:

    I think they split into two large factions. Which is great. For us :)

  36. 36.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 11:30 am

    Here’s something from last month:

    MUST-READ: “Documents Detail Alleged ‘Hostage Release’ Scheme to Extort Gaetz” via @thedailybeast https://t.co/nje4ASU6Fj

    — Rep. Matt Gaetz (@RepMattGaetz) April 1, 2021

    I worked on this story and it does not exonerate you https://t.co/xsJnUiNN3q

    — Roger Sollenberger is one dose from immortality (@SollenbergerRC) April 1, 2021

  37. 37.

    Anomalous Cowherd

    April 30, 2021 at 11:31 am

    OK, I know I’m a terrible person, but whenever I look at a picture of Matt Gaetz what stands out for me is his philtrum. I don’t know if it’s FAS or inbreeding or what, but that boy appears to have something deeply wrong with him. (I am not any sort of expert on this – it’s just a gut feeling.)

  38. 38.

    MomSense

    April 30, 2021 at 11:34 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Yeah but narcissistic dumbasses like Gaetz need adulation and he’ll only get that if he pays for it.  He’s too selfish, stupid and unimaginative to earn it honestly.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    April 30, 2021 at 11:35 am

    @Kay:

    I think they split into two large factions.

    Racists and child molesters?

  40. 40.

    MomSense

    April 30, 2021 at 11:37 am

    @Anomalous Cowherd:

    I’ve wondered the same thing.

  41. 41.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2021 at 11:37 am

    When Kevin McCarthy finally goes to Gaetz and says, “Matt, you’ve got to resign before they kick you out” and Gaetz goes “NO!”…that’s when the real fun begins.  Well, for Liz Cheney, anyway…

  42. 42.

    MomSense

    April 30, 2021 at 11:38 am

    @Kay:

    Wonder if he showed nude photos of the underage girl to his colleagues.

  43. 43.

    citizen dave

    April 30, 2021 at 11:39 am

    “but looking at photos of Gaetz have always brought up a real “there’s something bad wrong with that boy” feeling for me”

    Piling on…his hair makes him look like the Big Boy restaurant mascot (Azar’s where I grew up; Frisch’s near me; I think it’s Bob’s out west):

     

    He also seems like he should have been a character in Mike Judge’s show King of the Hill.  The neighborhood pervert everyone knows to stay away from; the one crazier than even Boomhauer.

  44. 44.

    Other MJS

    April 30, 2021 at 11:39 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I know; but just once, I’d like to hear Joe Biden talk like Moe Howard.

    Seems feasible to me; “knucklehead” is a close cousin to “malarkey”.

  45. 45.

    Frankensteinbeck

    April 30, 2021 at 11:39 am

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    What Stone’s cut was is unknown

    The leaks we’ve gotten so far suggest ‘all of it’.  The people around Trump weren’t collecting bribes for him to give pardons.  They were collecting bribes for them to plead their case to the vain, whiny asshole who was feeling depressed and insecure and pardon power was the only thing that made him feel strong or loved.  This is classic weak king courtier shit, like all the stories of factions dirtying each other up for Trump’s four years, leaking stories to the press, and trying to ensure that they were the only people whispering into His Majesty, King Cognitive Decline’s ear.  When the guy in charge believes the last thing he heard, the person who decides what he hears is actually in charge.

  46. 46.

    Bluegirlfromwyo

    April 30, 2021 at 11:40 am

    @Jeffro: MAGAT response: But what about Bill Clinton?

  47. 47.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 30, 2021 at 11:41 am

    @Anomalous Cowherd:

    what stands out for me is his philtrum

    I suppose it’s too much to hope for, that this could be a rotating tag.

    Yeah, I didn’t think so.

  48. 48.

    Frankensteinbeck

    April 30, 2021 at 11:42 am

    @Bluegirlfromwyo:

    MAGAT response: But what about Bill Clinton?

    Ah, you’ve been listening to them, then.  Yes, that has been their response.

  49. 49.

    Bluegirlfromwyo

    April 30, 2021 at 11:47 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: Nope. Haven’t been listening to them. Their whataboutism is as predictable as the sunrise.

  50. 50.

    catclub

    April 30, 2021 at 11:50 am

    @smith: I think he’d more likely say, “God love ya, man.” It’s his version of “Bless your heart.”

     

    I am not so sure.  I don’t think he ever said it to trump.

  51. 51.

    Kay

    April 30, 2021 at 11:51 am

    @Baud:

    Which reminds me. I told my son he has to provide proof he’s vaccinated for college and asked him what his anti-vaxxer classmates would do. He said, earnestly, “don’t worry about it- there’s not a lot of overlap there”.

    Oh, the truth telling of children. I will miss it.

  52. 52.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2021 at 11:52 am

    @catclub: He did say, “Will you shut up, man?”

  53. 53.

    Tony Jay

    April 30, 2021 at 11:53 am

    It must be that time of year for ‘out of their depth but too dense with the curd of privilege to know it’ boy-men of the conservative kind, because over here on Airstrip One and Three-Quarters lard-arsed foreign intelligence asset and all-round solipsistic deadweight Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has had another entry added to his list of self-inflicted woes due to the timely revelation that his private mobile phone number has been known to all and sundry for the last fifteen years.

    Granted, it’s probably been saved to favourites by half of the kebab shops, spank palaces and Bargain Booze outlets in the Central London area, but security know-it-alls contacted by the suddenly Johnson-hostile Press have been gently insinuating that certain foreign powers with an interest in gathering leverage over rising political turds might – just might – have been able to exploit Johnson’s lack of basic common-sense to access his messages, listen in on his phone-calls or, oh, I don’t know, just to pull a random possibility out of the aetheric medium maybe blackmail him into being (even more of) a treasonous sac of well-fermented bile willing to sell his country out to anyone if it would save his mottled hide.

    You can tell it’s pretty serious because the non-entity running the Home Office has hastened to the radio to scold the media for threatening national security (because there’s no way any foreign intelligence service or criminal network would possibly have noticed Johnson advertising his phone number online for the last 15 years if they hadn’t just been told about it) while insisting that the Great British Public are as uninterested in this scandal as they are in every other scandal currently scrolling endlessly across the pages of their tabloid/broadsheet/newsfeed of choice.

    Poor Flobalob*, you’d almost think certain ‘friends’ of his wanted him out of the way so that they can get planning the next redecoration of Downing Street.

     

    *This is sarcasm. He’s not poor and I feel only joy at his pain.

  54. 54.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 11:53 am

    new, from @arawnsley & me: Rudy Giuliani Taps Alan Dershowitz for Legal Advice Following Federal Raid https://t.co/nRs81FvJg4

    — Asawin Suebsaeng (@swin24) April 30, 2021

    That’s gotta be expensive.

    My
    Attorney
    Got
    Alan (Dershowitz)

  55. 55.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2021 at 11:57 am

    @Tony Jay: That was well under 3000 words. Are you feeling okay?

  56. 56.

    Mike in NC

    April 30, 2021 at 11:59 am

    @Anomalous Cowherd: Inbreeding in the Florida Panhandle? Yeah, that could be the case.

  57. 57.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 30, 2021 at 11:59 am

    @Tony Jay:

    So the UK press is finally turning on Johnson? Good

  58. 58.

    Ruckus

    April 30, 2021 at 12:02 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Jesus H Christ, what is wrong with the GQP?

    Every. Fucking. Thing. Possible. or Even. Impossible.

  59. 59.

    Kattails

    April 30, 2021 at 12:02 pm

    @Baud: Well except they told her how bad it would be if someone found out and how it would hurt the innocents who were paying her for sex, and got her to apologize.  FFFS.

  60. 60.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    April 30, 2021 at 12:03 pm

    @Kay:

    Wonder if she’s an ex-fiancé yet?

  61. 61.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    April 30, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    9 days between Katie Hill being accused of an affair and resigning. It’s now been a month since the Matt Gaetz story broke and he’s raising money off of it.

    — Schooley (@Rschooley) April 30, 2021

  62. 62.

    zhena gogolia

    April 30, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    @Spanky:

    Oh, that’s cruel.

  63. 63.

    Brantl

    April 30, 2021 at 12:08 pm

    @Mike in NC:  They’re dicks, plainly & simply.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    April 30, 2021 at 12:13 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I’m not 100 percent sure, but I think that video may have been doctored.

  65. 65.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 30, 2021 at 12:13 pm

    Stephanie Ruhle just DESTROYED transphobic WV Gov Jim Justice.
    https://t.co/OcCaUKNo2b

    — BrooklynDad_Defiant! (@mmpadellan) April 30, 2021

    I’m sure if Dems had just not used such scary, elitist words like “POC” and “transphobia”, that transphobic WV bill banning trans women from participating in school sports never would’ve been signed

  66. 66.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    April 30, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    @Baud:

    ?

  67. 67.

    zhena gogolia

    April 30, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    I agreed with you about the “faculty lounge” thread, BTW.

  68. 68.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    Yes.

    This #ArborDay, remember to visit your favorite trees and thank them for their service. pic.twitter.com/cXxzlHLMdP— MC Pastoret (@brittyknows) April 30, 2021

  69. 69.

    Tony Jay

    April 30, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    I’m aware I’ve let you down, but in my defence I’m trying to remember that less is sometimes more.

    That’s a lie. I was just in a hurry. A Mister Gaetz was calling on another line asking if I had a number for a “Semor Cornholio”. Very weird.

  70. 70.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    Rudy is an American Patriot

    — Rep. Matt Gaetz (@RepMattGaetz) April 29, 2021

  71. 71.

    Ruckus

    April 30, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Glenn has plenty of character. Not one micron of it is good but still, he has plenty.

  72. 72.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2021 at 12:20 pm

    @Steeplejack: OMG!  Genius!

  73. 73.

    patrick II

    April 30, 2021 at 12:21 pm

    @Mike in NC: ​
     
    Keepin people obedient under an unjust, undemocratic government is an important state function. Extreme punishment is all of a piece with a violent police force.

  74. 74.

    Tony Jay

    April 30, 2021 at 12:21 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    On the one had, yes, it’s good to see the dam break on all the crap they’ve been covering up to protect him.

    On the other hand, if they’re going for him now it’s only because their owners have agreed on a replacement who will be even worse.

    These are Tories we’re talking about, there is no ‘better’, there’s only a different way of being awful.

  75. 75.

    BruceFromOhio

    April 30, 2021 at 12:22 pm

    @Jeffro: ​
     

    I’m trying to think of an appropriate metaphor for the GQP, 2020-2024, and it’s something like ‘Lord of the Flies, only set on the Hindenburg‘

    In Russian, with badly-worded subtitles.

  76. 76.

    Gravenstone

    April 30, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    @MomSense: Sure, let’s add some trafficking in child porn charges to the rest of shit heading his way.

  77. 77.

    Cacti

    April 30, 2021 at 12:27 pm

    Matt Gaetz always gave me the vibe of the frat bro who would always bring the roofies to the party.

  78. 78.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 30, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    @germy:

    Rudy Giuliani Taps Alan Dershowitz for Legal Advice Following Federal Raid

    There’s something approaching perfection here

  79. 79.

    Roger Moore

    April 30, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    But even more astounding is that it alludes to a process whereby Trump was selling pardons.

    No. It alludes to a process whereby Stone was selling pardons.  Whether he actually had enough pull with Trump to pull it off, or if he was just grifting and couldn’t deliver is another question.

  80. 80.

    Ruckus

    April 30, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    @Kay:

    Let’s be honest.

    How else could he get any?

    If he didn’t pay.

    What other possible incentive could there be?

  81. 81.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    April 30, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    I don’t know about you, but looking at photos of Gaetz have always brought up a real “there’s something bad wrong with that boy” feeling for me.

    A lot of the younger Republicans have that vibe to them. That “punchable face” thing, you want to throw things and hit them with a stick to drive to away before they murder some small child.

  82. 82.

    Chief Oshkosh

    April 30, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    @Gravenstone: Yep. And that is exactly what it was. On the House floor, no less.

    And not a peep from a single GOPer, even the ones who hate him.

    Evil, evil, evil.

  83. 83.

    Ruckus

    April 30, 2021 at 12:34 pm

    @Baud:

    It doesn’t appear they split along those lines. At least legally…..

  84. 84.

    JaySinWA

    April 30, 2021 at 12:35 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Selling pardons, oh my.  Explain that one away, MAGAts.

    Hey what have you got against free markets as God wrote in Article II of the Constitution?

  85. 85.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2021 at 12:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s like Wile R. Coyote got another box from Acme and Dershowitz pops out.

  86. 86.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 30, 2021 at 12:36 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Thank you, I appreciate that. I have plenty of online friends that I know that identify themselves using terms like “non-binary”, “neurodivergent”, and I’m still trying to figure out if I’m heterosexual or a heteromantic-demisexual (a form of asexual)

    This is a discussion that was near and dear to me and I felt like myself and people like me were being blamed for Dems’ poor recent electoral showings simply because we use “scary” words to describe ourselves that might drive away voters.

    When I first learned about “POC” it didn’t scare me. It made perfect sense as a replacement for “minorities” when describing non-white people. Community of color ain’t that much different from “black/brown neighborhood”

    I completely understand the point that we need to speak as plainly as possible to voters, but if something as relatively anodyne as “POC” and corporate pushes to be more inclusive scares them, I question how gettable they were in the first place

  87. 87.

    Chief Oshkosh

    April 30, 2021 at 12:36 pm

    @Roger Moore: Potaytoes, potahtoes… Here’s hoping Trump totally loses it very publicly if he finds out he was totally cut out of the action.

  88. 88.

    Benw

    April 30, 2021 at 12:37 pm

    Update on wife’s status: she’s currently getting her ass kicked by Moderna #2. Tail should be out soon

  89. 89.

    Ruckus

    April 30, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    @Brantl:

    I guess it’s possible they are dicks but it does seem to me that they’d have to rise several steps to arrive at dick. That’s almost too common for them. Although I have no idea what that term might be…

    OK dicks it is then.

  90. 90.

    Ruckus

    April 30, 2021 at 12:44 pm

    @Cacti:

    And then take them all himself?

  91. 91.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2021 at 12:45 pm

    @Ruckus: Well, he has a character, at any rate…

  92. 92.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    April 30, 2021 at 12:45 pm

    @germy: Why does Rudy’s Borat II scene come to mind with that Gaetz endorsement?

  93. 93.

    karen marie

    April 30, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    Chief Magistrate Judge Erin Wiedemann … told Duggar’s lawyers that “given the nature of the charges against him,” Duggar would likely need to reside with a “third-party custodian” who could ensure he complies with his bond conditions. That custodian must live in a home where there are no minors, Wiedemann said.

    Anyone have a theory as to why the specific charges haven’t been announced?

  94. 94.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2021 at 12:47 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: More like the even horizon of a black hole: once crossed, no crime can escape its gravitational pull.

  95. 95.

    Ken

    April 30, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I suppose it’s too much to hope for, that this could be a rotating tag.

    There’s a link where you can nominate it, throwing it into the pool ocean for John to review.

  96. 96.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 12:49 pm

    Who would’ve thought this guy was a creep? pic.twitter.com/E6XtyoBmqI— MeidasTouch.com (@MeidasTouch) April 30, 2021

    So Gaetz is going on tour with Marjorie Taylor Greene? Traveling together in close quarters?

    How soon before they start bumping uglies?

  97. 97.

    smith

    April 30, 2021 at 12:49 pm

    @karen marie: Most likely he’s being charged with molesting his own children. I can’t  think of any other reason they’d  be so coy, unless it’s to protect the victims.

  98. 98.

    debbie

    April 30, 2021 at 12:51 pm

    @Kay:

    Just appalling. That alone should get him kicked from Congress.

    To be crude: Why? It’s not like he jacked off on her blue dress…

  99. 99.

    germy

    April 30, 2021 at 12:52 pm

    This pic of Roger Stone, Matt Gaetz & Joel Greenberg looks like the last thing you’d see before a roofie kicked in. pic.twitter.com/ypzfz6928W

    — shauna (@goldengateblond) February 4, 2018

    And this was 2018!

  100. 100.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    I felt like myself and people like me were being blamed for Dems’ poor recent electoral showings simply because we use “scary” words to describe ourselves that might drive away voters.

    I certainly don’t feel like that is the case. But I also don’t think that’s what the thread was about. It was more about how individuals have individual preferences for how they identify, which can be very ambiguous and fluid, and perhaps in the end not that vital to them. But institutions feel the need to come up with far more codified descriptors, attempt to draw hard lines of violation, and impose those rules from above.

    But perhaps that thread was about a lot of things, and I’m only looking at one angle.

  101. 101.

    Leto

    April 30, 2021 at 1:03 pm

    @Benw: Avalune and I got our second dose of Moderna about 45 mins ago. Can’t wait for what the next few days will bring us!

  102. 102.

    Leto

    April 30, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    @germy: she’s about 30 years over his limit.

  103. 103.

    Just One More Canuck

    April 30, 2021 at 1:07 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: with the same production values as the Russian version of Lord of the Rings

  104. 104.

    hueyplong

    April 30, 2021 at 1:07 pm

    @germy: Yikes.  I can almost hear Marlin Perkins narrating that.

  105. 105.

    The Mugster

    April 30, 2021 at 1:08 pm

    @Kay: His denial of “paying for sex” amuses me, because it’s clear he finds that becoming known as humiliating.

    …and much more humiliating than criminal charges for statutory rape would be in his circles, of course.

  106. 106.

    Gravenstone

    April 30, 2021 at 1:10 pm

    @germy: As I asked yesterday, I wonder if Gaetz is familiar with the joys of tantric sex?

  107. 107.

    hedgehog mobile

    April 30, 2021 at 1:11 pm

    @germy: You owe me a tanker of brain bleach for that. ?

  108. 108.

    Ken

    April 30, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    @Baud: More like Satanic evil and Chthuluic evil.

  109. 109.

    Ken

    April 30, 2021 at 1:18 pm

    @Tony Jay: Maybe it’s just me, but is the half-life of Tory PMs getting shorter?

  110. 110.

    craigie

    April 30, 2021 at 1:19 pm

    @Anomalous Cowherd: 

    what stands out for me is his philtrum.

    So that’s what that’s called!

  111. 111.

    Benw

    April 30, 2021 at 1:24 pm

    @Leto: WOOT! She got hers in the AM, felt fine during the day, and was definitely woozy by bedtime.

  112. 112.

    trollhattan

    April 30, 2021 at 1:35 pm

    @germy:

    She’s a little, uh, mature for him, yes?

    But she could let him polish her guns.

  113. 113.

    JoyceH

    April 30, 2021 at 1:37 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): ​
     

    When I first learned about “POC” it didn’t scare me. It made perfect sense as a replacement for “minorities” when describing non-white people. Community of color ain’t that much different from “black/brown neighborhood”

    I consider myself a tolerant liberal, but what irks me about the ‘correct’ terminology is that it keeps changing, and then people still using the last correct term are considered to be in the wrong and probably with evil intent.

    And I find the ‘of’ construction simply baffling. Can someone who knows explain to me where that came from? It sounds weird because it’s not used in other contexts – I’m not a person of weight, for example. It sounds to me as if ‘people of color’ is just a clumsy workaround to keep from saying ‘colored people’, because we already used that term four or five terminology changes ago.

  114. 114.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    April 30, 2021 at 1:39 pm

    So Duggar’s issue is child porn. I’m shocked.

  115. 115.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 30, 2021 at 1:47 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:  Me too > Not. I predicted that last night. Ugh.

  116. 116.

    Nice Marmot

    April 30, 2021 at 1:48 pm

    @Spanky: A favourite line about Gaetz: the ‘dad has a dealership’ vibe is strong with this one.

  117. 117.

    MomSense

    April 30, 2021 at 1:49 pm

    @Benw:

    ☹️

  118. 118.

    geg6

    April 30, 2021 at 1:55 pm

    @karen marie:

    Fucker must be molesting the passel of kids he’s got.  That stupid girl that married him must be even more stupid than I thought.

  119. 119.

    Ken

    April 30, 2021 at 1:59 pm

    @Benw:  she’s currently getting her ass kicked by Moderna #2. Tail should be out soon

    You make a natural, beautiful process sound like the chestburster scene.

  120. 120.

    cain

    April 30, 2021 at 2:02 pm

    @germy:

    How soon before they start bumping uglies?

    Neither of them are the other’s type. Too old.

  121. 121.

    Benw

    April 30, 2021 at 2:06 pm

    @MomSense: thanks

    @Ken: LOL

  122. 122.

    Tony Jay

    April 30, 2021 at 2:10 pm

    @Ken:

    Brexit broke everything. We’re not the same country we were five years ago. It’s all falling apart at an increasing rate even though the Infotainers are desperately trying to normalise the mayhem their various shades of misinformation fostered.

  123. 123.

    cope

    April 30, 2021 at 2:14 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:  Maybe Gaetz and Josh Duggar can be cell buddies.

  124. 124.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 30, 2021 at 2:19 pm

    @JoyceH:

    It doesn’t “keep changing”. When were terms like African-American introduced? 30-35 years ago?

    And I don’t think badly of anyone who still uses “black” for example

  125. 125.

    J R in WV

    April 30, 2021 at 2:30 pm

    @karen marie:

    Anyone have a theory as to why the specific charges haven’t been announced?

    Here’s a theory:

    Because whatever they are, it’s SO BAD that merely mentioning them in public will destroy his career as a money-grubbing minister of some patriarchal church. The mere accusation, as it were.
    Even without being convicted!
    That bad…​

  126. 126.

    Mike in NC

    April 30, 2021 at 2:39 pm

    Wife subscribes to People magazine and they used to always run stories about the creepy Duggar clan.

  127. 127.

    Chief Oshkosh

    April 30, 2021 at 2:43 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The perspective maybe depends on age. If you’ve lived long enough to experience several changes in anything, then it can seem like it’s “always changing” – regardless of topic.

  128. 128.

    JCJ

    April 30, 2021 at 2:52 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    I like the meme “Vagina – It Is Not a Clown Car”

     

    http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/01/the-record-for-the-most-babies-born-to-one-woman-is-69/vagina-clown-car/

  129. 129.

    SWMBO

    April 30, 2021 at 7:21 pm

    @germy: ​
      Any bets on whether they slip each other a roofie?

  130. 130.

    dave319

    April 30, 2021 at 9:05 pm

    @Ken: Isn’t she too old for him? Asking for a friend

  131. 131.

    Hob

    April 30, 2021 at 9:06 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Not only are you right about that, but the specific usage “people of color” is now at least THIRTY FUCKING YEARS OLD. I can mildly identify with thinking things like “why is there a different term than there used to be” or “this phrasing could be considered slightly illogical if you look at it from such-and-such angle”, because I am both middle-aged and a compulsive nitpicker, but to go on complaining along those lines in a public forum in this day and age is not just mildly pointless, it’s actively obnoxious Archie Bunker type behavior that lefties really should not indulge in. I get that it may not be coming from bad intentions but still, just freaking take a hint and let people use the terms they want to use for their damn selves. Absolutely no one picked pasty white me to be the judge of ethnic terminology, or to decide when it ought to be nailed down for all time and immune from change, and the fact that I could go out and find some non-white people who don’t bother to use that term means absolutely nothing.

    I’ll go a bit further and say that people complaining about how “Latinx” is some fancy-schmancy college-professor term that no one uses in real life should consider stepping back and shutting up and waiting to see how it plays out. They may well be right that this coinage is not a keeper and won’t catch on, but 1. the origin of the usage was among Latin-American activists and academics and students(*), and 2. every politically-oriented change in language goes through a phase of being primarily used by progressive-minded activists and academics and students before it’s a commonly used thing. Same deal with “African-American”: if that hadn’t caught on, something else would have, no harm no foul… but white people in the ’80s who insisted on complaining that “we don’t need a new term, now no one will be allowed to say ‘Black’ any more, it’s not logical because Africa isn’t a country”, etc. etc., would have been just as silly whether it had caught on or not. (And as you pointed out, “Black” has not magically gone away.)

    (* If only I had a dollar for every time someone who doesn’t know what the hell they’re talking about tries to convince me that “only silly white people use ‘Latinx’, it’s the kind of thing only white people who don’t understand Spanish would ever say!”… I would split those dollars with the Latinx students who first introduced me to that word, and we’d all have enough for a few drinks. Is it widely or universally used, no. Do those friends get mad if someone instead says “Latine” or “Latin-American” or “Hispanic” or uses something more specific to one group like “Chicano”— also no. Is it a thing that only makes sense in English, of course, that’s the point. I really hope in a few years people will get over this one way or another, it is such a fake “controversy”. And to anyone who feels like saying “But I don’t know how to pronounce it”, you are on the Internet right now, look it the fuck up.)

  132. 132.

    J R in WV

    April 30, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    Molesting his sisters… what a great Christian, huh? Then grew up to molest his own kids, instead of protecting them from harm~!!~

    Going to burn forever if his beliefs come true for him. Some days I hope there is a Hell for those monsters. Certainly no forgiveness in his future!

    Many years ago I had to sit on a Grand Jury that heard a case against a guy who had video of his own daughter, age in the low single digits, being raped. Many different instances over years. We were handed a pack of printouts from the videos the state police found.

    I could only stand to see a very few of those images — repulsive in the extreme. We handed up an indictment on that monster unanimously in mere moments.

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