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Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Sometimes the world just tells you your cat is here.

The revolution will be supervised.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

Beware of advice from anyone for whom Democrats are “they” and not “we.”

It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

Second rate reporter says what?

Humiliatingly small and eclipsed by the derision of millions.

Consistently wrong since 2002

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.

Our messy unity will be our strength.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

He really is that stupid.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

I’m more christian than these people and i’m an atheist.

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The lights are all blinking red.

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

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It’s All Projection

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I guess this is gross Republican week. You may remember the Duggars, the breeding Quiverfull family that were the subject of a TLC reality series, 19 Kids and Counting. Towards the end of the series, viewers were on the edge of their seats as Michelle, the mom, was about to deliver, since she had been advised by her physicians that she might rupture her uterus if she had another kid for Jesus.

That show came to an abrupt end when Josh, the oldest, was accused of molesting underage girls (including some of his sisters) as a teenager. He was also caught with an account at Ashley Madison. At the time those allegations surfaced, he was director of the lobbying arm of the Family Research Council, an anti-gay hate group. He quit that job and asked for forgivess.

Well, apparently Josh is going to have to get on his knees in front of Jesus again, since he was arrested yesterday for receiving and possessing child porn. I wonder if his wife will forgive him a second time, as she did when the Ashley Madison revelations came out, and Josh admitted to being unfaithful to her. She’s expecting the couple’s seventh child.

I’m thinking that there might be some child abusers who don’t work out of the basement of a DC pizza joint that doesn’t have a basement.

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  4. 4.

    Betty Cracker

    I know the network formerly called “The Learning Channel” morphed into “TLC” when execs discovered that gross reality TV content is more lucrative than educational programming. But TLC ended the original run of the first Duggar show (alternate title: “Vagina: It IS a Clown Car”) after the first molestation scandal and then recycled unindicted members of the same sicko family for a new Duggar vehicle. I mean, WTF, TLC?

    ETA: @JCJ: a classic for the ages.

  5. 5.

    HumboldtBlue

    Well lookee here, the website is actually working today!

    And the news about Duggar is about as surprising as the news about Gaetz.

  6. 6.

    StringOnAStick

    Does this news surprise me; let me check.  Um, no it does not.  You get more Jebus points by being a sinner begging for forgiveness though I don’t think the legal system cares either way.

  7. 7.

    WaterGirl

    I have (blissfully) never followed this family, other than to note 19 kids (ewww) and the previous arrest.

    Were all 19 of these kids actually born to one woman?  Or has the state been letting these sick people adopt?

  11. 11.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    @JPL:  The Duggar sisters who Josh molested stuck up for him in a Fox News interview, if that helps answer your question.

  12. 12.

    germy

    How long before Josh starts weeping that he suffers from a sex addiction?

    Or has he already done that?

  13. 13.

    HumboldtBlue

    @WaterGirl: ​
     
    I could not get this site to work properly yesterday. I’m positive it’s on my end, but it was frustrating as hell. I think there’s something wonky with Firefox, cuz I had same issues on laptop.

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    He quit that job and asked for forgivess.

    I would love it if the Baby Jesus appeared and said “Dude, even I have limits.”

    Also, I always thought that forgiveness was attached to “go forth and sin no more ”

    The sad bottom line is that knaves and hypocrites keep doing what they do.

    But don’t these people have some rock that they can climb back under?

  16. 16.

    germy

    When I read Josh had been arrested, I assumed it was some sort of tax evasion thing, or business fraud.  Something involving his car dealership.

  17. 17.

    MattF

    I tend to be skeptical of ‘projection’ as an explanation for bad behavior, but this one looks like the genuine article. ‘Where, oh, where did all these evil actions and evil thoughts come from, if not from those impure liberals who are trying to take our guns away?’

  18. 18.

    Ken

    @germy: I think an early report said that it began with a DHS (!?) raid of his car dealership. Then they confiscated his phone and computer and, well…

  19. 19.

    germy

    On August 25, 2015, Duggar checked himself into a rehabilitation facility that his family described as a “long-term treatment center”. The facility was later confirmed in media reports as Reformers Unanimous, which describes itself as “a learning atmosphere where the addicted can be discipled in an environment that is much like a greenhouse”.

    (wikipedia)

  22. 22.

    mrmoshpotato

    I guess this is gross Republican week.

    Just this week?  What about the past 40+ years? :)

  23. 23.

    germy

    The price Josh Duggar paid in 2003 for sexually abusing underage girls:

    Jim Bob Duggar: "I gave Josh a very stern talk about what might happen if he continued such behavior."

    Trooper Hutchens: "Nothing else to do."

    Hutchens is currently serving 56 years for child porn. https://t.co/8x58NpAEgo

    — Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) April 30, 2021

  25. 25.

    smith

    Good to remember that these Quiverfull families have so many children because they’re afraid that unless they reproduce like mad, Those People replace the outstanding paragons of (white) humanity like Josh Duggar.

  26. 26.

    trollhattan

    [Re-post from dead thread.]
    This fuckin’ guy.

    Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) told reporters that he does not support the bill to make D.C. the nation’s 51st state, the Washington Post reports.
    “Manchin, a key swing vote in the closely divided Senate, said he believed a constitutional amendment, rather than legislation, would be required to admit D.C. as a state. His stance deals a major blow to statehood advocates who were hoping for his support after the bill passed the House last week.”

    Hey, Joe (where you goin’…oops, wrong song):

    On March 12, 1959, Congress approved Hawaii for admission to the union as the 50th state, marking the last time statehood was subject to votes in the House and Senate.
    President Dwight Eisenhower signed the Hawaii Admissions Act a week later on March 18, 1959, and Hawaii officially became the 50th state on August 21, 1959, after Hawaiians voted to become a state in June 1959 under terms specified in the Admissions Act.
    The Constitution grants general state-creation powers to Congress in Article IV, Section 3, under the Admissions Clause, which reads: “New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”​

  27. 27.

    Delk

    And, in 2014 the mother made GQP robocalls claiming that trans people were child molesters.

  28. 28.

    trollhattan

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Wow, so improbable to stumble across anything like that, especially in a forest. Very neat!

    Also, too, one hell of an ankle bracelet. How you walk in that?

  29. 29.

    Ken

    @germy:  the addicted can be discipled in an environment that is much like a greenhouse

    Considering some of the things that are done to plants in a greenhouse, this sounds like a pitch for a horror movie.  The Human Bonsai, perhaps.

  30. 30.

    Dan B

    There’s a woman who wrote a long and detailed report on the RW Xtian leaders of the cults the Duggars follow, and have promoted on their show.  Two of these guys have molested young women.  They prescribe that children smile and obey parents, especially fathers, immediately.  Some prescribe shunning if their is misbehavior.  This can include dating the wrong person, even if that person is a homeschooled conservative Christian.  The list of psychological abuses is long.  It seems Medieval.

    I’ll see if I can find a link.

  31. 31.

    Mike in NC

    I guess this is gross Republican week.

    A lot to take in about Rudy and Gaetz, but Schadenfreude is still tasty. Meanwhile, Mike Pence is back to making speeches, trying to set himself up for 2024, and to nobody’s surprise he’s still a loyal, groveling Trump toady. He’ll flat out deny a deranged mob was out to get him on January 6.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    I guess this is gross Republican week

    LOL. Biden forced them to rebrand Infrastructure Week.

  35. 35.

    Benw

    Tomorrow I’m running my first in-person race since the pandemic started!

    Masked up at the start line, can remove while running, back on at the finish. It’s a tiny local 5K, so we spread out quickly. I’m hype to cross a finish line again!

  39. 39.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @StringOnAStick:

    Conservatism shrieked bloody murder over the whole “I gave him a stern talking to and sent him to Jesus sex rehab” thing several years ago. Anybody with more than passing familiarity with these issues knew that this would metastasize into atrociousness.

    True story – I always tell clients who are in church-based marriage counseling, personal counseling or addictive therapies to ditch it and go to a science-based program. Ten out of ten say that I was right every time, that their lives have improved significantly outside of the religious box.

  40. 40.

    trollhattan

    @Benw:

    Good luck!

    My kid has had an approximation of a full spring track season at her D1 school–dad even managed to see her run last weekend for the first time in more than a year. She’s a distance girl and knows the 5k well.

    Enjoy getting back out there.

  44. 44.

    mrmoshpotato

    Via @Green_Footballs

    @Mike_Pence

    · 19h

    We will reject Critical Race Theory in our schools and public institutions, and we will CANCEL Cancel Culture wherever it arises!

    LMAO!  So these shitbags are the REAL cancel culture.  (What a stupid stupid term, btw)

  45. 45.

    PST

    I have an open thread question that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Duggars. I trust no one will mind not thinking about those folks. I am 67 years old and in the market for a new bicycle, one with a step-through frame, and I could use recommendations. For decades I rode a touring bike, and rode it quite a bit. By that I mean a road bike with drop handlebars and derailleurs, but heavier and more robust than a racing style bike, with fenders, racks, thicker tires, and the handlebars not nearly so low. It was a good all-weather commuting and errand bike, and fine for exercise and recreation since I didn’t care about speed. One advantage for me over a hybrid was that I was susceptible to losing feeling in my hands on long rides, and drop bars let you fight this by changing hand positions frequently. Another advantage to that kind of bike was being able to grocery shop using two big panniers (I don’t have daytime access to a car).

    I loved that bike, which always made me think of the story of my father’s ax: every single bit of it had been replaced at one time or another, even the frame, but it was somehow the same comfortable old friend. Unfortunately, with time, I got less and less able to swing my leg over the rear wheel and saddle, especially with full panniers, and I had a couple of embarrassing falls while mounting. There isn’t always a curb to stand on, and one shouldn’t need one. It would be one thing to break a hip riding a bike, but truly humiliating to break one getting on a bike. Finally, in November, I had an ill-timed breakdown and spill in an unfortunate place, Wacker Drive, that left the bike not only unrideable but unrollable. Shaken up, I locked it where I was and never saw it again. So now I am looking for a recommendation for something with a step-through or mixte frame that I can use for most of the same purposes. The main difference is that I don’t care anymore about being comfortable riding long distances. This will be for running errands within a radius of five or ten miles. It will get years of frequent use, so I don’t mind spending for quality. It should be able to mount a large rear rack (or come with one). A bonus would be a hub gear in back instead of derailleurs, which are a messy pain and lead to messy cuffs. There are no mountains to climb in Chicago.

    I don’t know anyone who rides one of these, so I have no one to ask, and the kind of on-line advice I need has been hard to find. Articles tend to be of along the lines of “good for you, old codger – here is a nice inexpensive bike you can tootle around on without falling – but wouldn’t you really prefer electric?” I wouldn’t. The market is incredibly fragmented with city bikes, cruisers, comfort bikes, etc., all seeming to work the same territory. Has anyone been through this and found something they can recommend?

  46. 46.

    Suzanne

    I seem to recall that Josh Duggar had two Ashley Madison accounts.

    The ex-Mr. Suzanne only had one. Amateur.

  48. 48.

    trollhattan

    @HumboldtBlue: ​
     
    Maybe they wore them in pairs so they couldn’t sneak up on anybody.
    “What is clank-clank?”
    “Probably Gunnar and those ankle bracelets of his.”

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Baud:

    LOL. Biden forced them to rebrand Infrastructure Week. 

    Biden: We have a real Infrastructure Week.

    GTrashP: Nuh uh!

    Biden: Yeah.  We have actual plans and ideas, not Just asshatery.

  50. 50.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Dan B:

    There are special facilities for those whose thing is about the prepubescent. Prison officials have learned that there’s a pretty significant difference.

  51. 51.

    Suzanne

    @Ken:

    The Human Bonsai 

    So one day at work a couple of years ago, The Human Centipede came up as a topic at work. I was the only one who had never heard of it. I made the mistake of googling it. I regret it to this day.

  52. 52.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Cameron: In a bit of fairness to Joe, DC is a bit of special case since it’s creation is specified in the Constitution and an amendment was felt necessary to give the district electors in Presidential elections.

  53. 53.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Suzanne:

    Most of the time, they weren’t even talking to real girls. I only know of one woman who was on there – the wife of a friend of mine, super cute. Met several men each week I talked him out of pulling the trigger on an otherwise good marriage, she went to a bunch of therapy for what she acknowledged was an addiction, and they managed to survive it all, just barely, and probably have some deal I’m not privy too. I feel good about my advice every time I see them post photos together or with their kids.

  54. 54.

    Cameron

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I agree it’s a special case, but if it manages to qualify itself as a ‘territory,’ shouldn’t it be able to go through normal admission procedures?  Will confess I’m not a Constitutional scholar….actually, will further confess I’m not a scholar of any kind.

  57. 57.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    OT – Guitarists, is there any way to do an F chord cheat without it sounding like shit?

  60. 60.

    trollhattan

    @PST: ​

    This is my commute and knockaround recreation bike.

    It’s not a step-through frame but hits most marks for city riding–I have commuted on it ten years and it by now has more than 10k miles (probably more like 20).

    I’ll cite four things that make it perfect for town: belt drive, Alfine 11-sp hub, hydraulic disk brakes, 38mm tires. They make it silent (actually zero noise except tire on pavement), smooth (like buttah), simple to shift (you can shift while stopped), zero chain grease or grit, nearly zero flats (compared to road tires).

    Maintenance is brake pads, hub oil changes, tires. That’s it. I added bar ends to the flat bars to give myself a needed second hand position and replaced the stock saddle and hand grips with good leather ones. I don’t have fenders because I hate riding in the rain, but there are mounts.

    You might find that frame top tubes rarely are horizontal, sloping downward before they join the seat tube (random example). Might be all the clearance you need.

    Happy hunting!

  63. 63.

    Kay

    @Dan B:

    I’m glad you posted that. We had a Quiverfull criminal case here – it was complicated and it went on for years-several families. There are a whole group of women who escaped the life and are just really brave  people and will happily educate anyone on what they (now) view as abuse. It’s not easy getting out.

  66. 66.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Kent:

    I think technology was slower to catch up in some of the peripheries.

  68. 68.

    Benw

    @trollhattan: thanks! I bet it was nice to see her. Everything opening up now is stuff we haven’t done in over a year! It’s crazy to think about how much I haven’t done.

  70. 70.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Kay:

    I had the saddest child porn divorce/custody case pre-COVID. Guy had daughters between 6-9. He had been swapping some of the catalog of known, tagged images of prepubescents, about 10 yrs old. The wife was a total weakling and refused to tell the kids why dad wasn’t available to spend time with them outside of virtual space.

    I had to represent him, and was stuck with the explanations as to why everyone from CPS to the criminal system as to why he couldn’t be trusted with live contact. High ick factors on it, but my hands were pretty tied.

    Oddly enough, her lies to them made everything worse.

  72. 72.

    Dan B

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I believe, well… I saw a map of what has to be the Capitol.  It’s just the Capitol building, Supreme Court grounds and some other buildings (White House?).  The rest of DC is not technically the Capitol.

  73. 73.

    TKH

    @PST:  i suggest you look into Dutch bikes, some brands available in the US. They are indestructible, can carry heavy loads, upright pedaling position

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    @Benw: ​
     
    It truly was, both the first time seeing her compete since early 2020 and also seeing her first college season. Those kids lost out on a lot, so having normal aspects to their lives is super valuable.

    Still plowing through the track meet photos. I went a little nuts and created too much work for myself.

  75. 75.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    @PST: My spouse is 6.5 feet tall, so off-the-shelf bikes have proven less than ideal for him.  We are saving up for a custom bike — his current favorite is Zinn bikes.  Price, of course, is always an issue, but so is not causing your body pain.  Best of luck.

  77. 77.

    Another Scott

    @mrmoshpotato: For some reason, I get Hillsdale College’s newsletter in the mail.  Today I got the latest issue, with some young white professor guy on the cover trying to tell me all about CRT.  It seems to be the latest talking point, so I’m not at all surprised that Dense is on board with it.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  79. 79.

    JustRuss

    @PST:  I bought an Electra Townie for my wife years ago, might work for you.  Looks like Trek owns them now, but I doubt they’ve changed.  Cruiser style, but pretty good for around town, and I say that as someone who doesn’t care for cruisers.  Hers has a 3-speed hub.  My only gripe was they used a cheapo no-name bottom bracket, when it failed I installed a cheap Shimano and it’s been fine.  They make a large rack for it that’s very nice.

  81. 81.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    @Cameron: In history class, I was taught that the idea was to make sure the federal government was not under the control of any state. Given how powerful states can be, and how ruthlessly the Republicans wield their power, I still think it’s a good idea.
    Thing is, to me, that sounds like a reason to make certain federal buildings the equivalent of embassies, and possibly pass an amendment that would put certain federal officials under the sole jurisdiction of the federal government, and the right laws to make sure no Bill Barr could quash any and all Republican should-be prosecutions.​

  84. 84.

    cckids

    @germy:How long before Josh starts weeping that he suffers from a sex addiction?

    He did that last time; he needs a new excuse. Because it obvs can’t be his fault for being a shitty human.

  85. 85.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Dan B: That’s the idea of shrinking the federal district down to just the mall, the Capitol, Federal Triangle and the White House and the rest of DC would be a state, might work, might not.  There would be litigation.

  86. 86.

    trollhattan

    @Cheryl from Maryland:

    If he doesn’t mind a trip to {checks notes} Dallas in September, the NAHBS  is probably the best place in the world to see custom, handbuilt bikes and speak with their makers.

    They’ve been here three times and I never miss it. It’s a gallery of rideable art, and restores my faith that craftsmanship is alive and well.

  87. 87.

    Kay

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    The Quiverfull case(s) made everyone in the system uncomfortable because I think we’re trained to really steer clear of religion. Prosecutors and police kept putting it in this special, deferential “box” and getting tied up in knots rather than just treating it like an offense. It’s like there’s this background of “but it’s their RELIGION”. Well, yeah, but how about just treat them like everyone else? It’s the… child abuse religion? That’s not a valid category.

  89. 89.

    lurker

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    It was and is a federal district.  However, the 23rd amendment, granting electors to the district complicates that.  A simple legal review suggests that Congress can just redefine the District along the lines of the House bill and then admit the territory that used to be in the District as a state.  However, how this will go in the courts is not something there is any way to predict, giving Rs and Manchin a potential out.

     

    Will be interesting to see how this plays out – in my opinion DC should be a state at this point, but this is not as clear cut as everyone wants.  On the other hand, there were potential reasons the 27th amendment could not be ratified and added to the Constitution … and then it got to 38 states and it became part of the Constitution with no actual issues to speak of.

  90. 90.

    Dan B

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: With any luck Duggar may not have many cell mates in his special facility.  I’m imagining none when my less charitable feelings kick in.

    This also burns me because for most of my life I was subject to being branded a pedophile or recruiting young guys, “cause nobody’s born that way”.  Among all the gay people I’ve known everyone was interested in people their own age or not far apart.

    The Xtians and RWNJ’s needed forgiveness for their sins and / or a smokescreen of look-over-there-at-those-perverts.  Too many LGBTQ people were traumatized by what was projection.  In the 60’s it seemed to me that most hay men believed they were mentally ill.

    Now we have the Duggars telling people that Trans people are molesters but their son needs “continuing prayers”.  It’s engaging.

  91. 91.

    hueyplong

    The state Manchin represents was carved out from an existing state.  Can’t recall any constitutional process.

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    @Benw: A few days ago they announced Sunday brunch was back for one of the nice restaurants here.  Today they sent email saying  oops, not yet.

    It’s easy to forget that there are still 20,000 new cases of COVID every day in the US.

  95. 95.

    lurker

    @Kent:

    Article says

    In Scandinavia the Bronze Age ran from about 1700BC to 500BC, when it gave way to the Iron Age. The Iron Age continued until about AD800, when the Viking Age began.

    So I guess it took longer to get to working various metals in colder climes – and then the Vikings did their thing… ; – )

  96. 96.

    mrmoshpotato

    @WaterGirl:

    A few days ago they announced Sunday brunch was back for one of the nice restaurants here. 

    I thought protest was the new brunch.

  97. 97.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Kay: If the Quiverfull movement were nominally Muslim, there would be no hesitation to go after it.

  98. 98.

    Ken

    @Kay: “but it’s their RELIGION”. Well, yeah, but how about just treat them like everyone else?

    Didn’t the Supreme Court just formalize “but it’s their RELIGION” as an automatic exception to any law?

  100. 100.

    WaterGirl

    @smith: Holy shit!  Closer to 60,000!  I swear I say the 20,000 figure earlier this week.  I must have remembered wrong.  That’s even worse, obviously.

  102. 102.

    Sister Golden Bear

    A reminder that more Republican senators have been charged with inappropriate sexual behavior in public restrooms than trans people Zero trans people have ever been charged — public restrooms are dangerous places for us, so we just want to do our business and get out.

    And yes, it’s always more projection that an IMAX multi-theater complex. Always.

  103. 103.

    Kay

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Jumping out from hiding spots and popping champagne when the Supreme Court justice turned on the lights in his office, a group of Democratic Party leaders reportedly threw a surprise retirement party Friday for Stephen Breyer hoping that he would just go with it. “We’re sorry to see you go, but it’s really great to see someone going out on top,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), patting the 82-year-old jurist on the back and toasting the end of his long and storied career in an effort to force him into agreeing to retire from the nation’s highest court

  105. 105.

    lurker

    @hueyplong: there was something of an extra-constitutional process involved – namely a state of war between the union and a number of states claiming the right to secede.  I think accepting the status of West VA was one of the lesser conditions involved in re-admission of the confederate states.

  106. 106.

    Dan B

    @Ken: We need more Satanic Temple cases at the Supremes.  That and a batch of goodies from Muslims, Zoroastrians, Pagans, Wiccans, etc.

    A guy can dream at the thought of the Kavanaugh Pretzel.

  107. 107.

    smith

    @WaterGirl: The lowest it’s been recently has been about 32,000, but that was on a weekend. There is a well-known and very clear reporting artifact with covid, in that the lowest numbers show up on the weekend, the highest in the middle of the week. This is probably because many of the offices that compile and report the data up the chain are closed on weekends. That’s why they always refer to the current one-week daily average, to even out that artificial cyclicity. Today’s one-week daily average is a little above 51,000. It has been going down, but slooooowly.

  108. 108.

    VeniceRiley

    @smith: I use the widgets on this bar graph in the google machine. https://www.google.com/search?q=united+states+covid&rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS864US864&ei=r4WMYLMq3fn0A63mh4gM&oq=united+states+covid&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyCggAELEDEIMBEEMyCAgAELEDEIMBMgUIABCxAzIICAAQsQMQgwEyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDATIFCAAQsQMyBAgAEEMyBQgAELEDMgIIADoKCAAQ6gIQtAIQQzoFCAAQkQI6CwgAELEDEIMBEJECOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoQCC4QsQMQgwEQxwEQrwEQQzoNCC4QsQMQxwEQrwEQQzoHCAAQsQMQQzoECC4QQzoHCC4QsQMQQzoKCC4QxwEQrwEQQzoNCC4QsQMQxwEQowIQQzoICAAQsQMQkQJQrCxYz1dg2l1oAXACeACAAXWIAZoMkgEEMTcuM5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQrAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjzveaWg6fwAhXdPH0KHS3zAcEQ4dUDCA4&uact=5

  109. 109.

    Dan B

    @smith: I simply don’t understand the logic behind easing the restrictions.  There are horrifying variants on the way.  You think people haven’t fled India, England, and Brazil for the safety, and hospital availability, of California and several other states?

    The town of Republ8c, population 1,000, 30 miles south of BC in NE Washington, nestled into pine covered mountains, had a lockdown defying party at the Eagles.  95 people are sick and many have been transported to hospitals in Spokane.

    Restrictions are eased and a big portion of people hear “it’s over!”   How many more Republics will happen when the new variants arrive in a country where we are “Emerging from the Pandemic!”  ?

  110. 110.

    smith

    @Dan B: I simply don’t understand the logic behind easing the restrictions.

    The voices from the public health sector have been been saying pretty consistently that there isn’t any. Local and state gov’ts are yielding to pressure from businesses and people who are eager to party.

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    Citizen Alan

    @Kay:   And that is nothing but hypocritical bullshit on their part. If instead of quiverfulls, it was a santeria church sacrificing chickens without the appropriate permit, I bet they wouldn’t hesitate to shut it down despite Supreme Court precedent to the contrary.

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    PST

    @JustRuss: I plan to test the Electra Loft 7i tomorrow. I will inquire about the bottom bracket. This is a 7 speed that appeals to me more than the current Townie. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    PST

    @currants: Good suggestions. I have looked at the web sites for some of these. I buy almost everything on line, but I’m not sure I would buy a bicycle without test riding it seriously.

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    PST

    @Ixnay: Thank you and others I did not reply to. Unfortunately I had to leave and only got back after it was too late to get a dialogue going. I appreciate the help.

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    J R in WV

    @germy: 
     

    When I read Josh had been arrested, I assumed it was some sort of tax evasion thing, or business fraud. Something involving his car dealership.

    If only! Tax evasion, business fraud, that I can understand. Molestation of his kids? or his sisters?

    Just nope.

    I posted on another thread where this monster was mentioned that years ago I was part of a Grand Jury that was presented a case wherein a guy had been found to have multiple videos on his computer of his own daughter being raped (perhaps by himself) accumulated over years.

    The police/prosecutor had prepared a print out of stills from that monster’s video collection which was passed out to the Jury members. I couldn’t stand to see all of it. I looked at enough to know what was in there, to know what was going on, and voted to hand up the indictment. Horrible.

    No forgiveness for Josh Duggar, ever. Under the jail, dude!

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    J R in WV

    @Kay:

    I think we’re trained to really steer clear of religion. Prosecutors and police kept putting it in this special, deferential “box” and getting tied up in knots

    What about Baal, who needed infants rolled into his fire?

    What about Aztecs, who needed pumping hearts pulled out of living sacrifices?

    There are a lot of religions we wouldn’t tolerate — sex abuse is not a religion we need to tolerate at all. Especially of little girls and boys. Having seen evidence while on a Grand Jury, that shit is horrible repulsive monsterous stuff.

    I don’t believe in capital punishment, but I would make an exception for the second offense of child rape~!~ Talking about Josh here and now!

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    Haydnseek

    @Doc Sardonic:  Or you could just play it as a conventional barre chord.  Some people find those difficult, but it’s worth the effort since they make so many songs easier to play.

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    Haydnseek

    @The Moar You Know: Pretty sure you’re kidding but you make a good point.  Decades ago I was getting together with a friend who was a very good player.  He was very helpful, and the best help I ever got was when he said “You’re always looking for shortcuts.  Not trying to be an asshole here, but with that attitude you’ll never get anywhere.  This is difficult.  It’s work.  Respect the instrument and you respect yourself.”  He was right.

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