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Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

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Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

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I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

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The New York state plan is now officially that any big outdoor event will have tightly packed “vaccinated” sections, and loosely packed “unvaccinated” sections. My guess is that the latter will be very small, because if I’m an event promoter/sports team owner, I want to fill my venue/stadium.

To move things along, the big NYC sports teams are going to host vaccination sites and give away tickets to those who get vaccinated:

The not-so-hidden message to Trumpy anti-vaxxers here is, “cry, motherfuckers, cry.”

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  1. 1.

    Uncle Cosmo

    “Come to the ballpark, get vaccinated, and root for the Yankees–”

    Well hell, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. Yuck the Fankees!

    (ETA: Foist!! :^D)

  2. 2.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    First comment?!? I think this is the wave of the future. Vaccinated people will get on with their lives and leave the unvaccinated behind at large group venues

    ETA: Second!

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    Question: Is it possible to support people getting vaccinated yet also hate both Cuomo and the Yankees?

  4. 4.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    I love it – “but what about my freedom to get good shit and see neat things with lots of people without a mask or a vaccination? This is America, Goddammit, where every whim of the most eccentric and hateful assholes out there must be tolerated and embraced as baseline conduct.”

  5. 5.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    @dmsilev:

    Question: Is it possible to support people getting vaccinated yet also hate both Cuomo and the Yankees?

    Well, I do, so yes.

  6. 6.

    Old School

    So families with children have to sit in the unvaccinated section?

    Edit: Never mind.  I see in the fine print that if they are with a vaccinated adult, children can be in the vaccinated section.

  9. 9.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @dmsilev:

    Doesnt excess Yankee hate only come in three flavors, though? Mets fans, Massholes and Cubbies?

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    @Old School: The way the Dodgers set up their vaccination section, children are allowed in if they have a recent (72 hour, I think) negative COVID test.

  11. 11.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    @Old School:

    So families with children have to sit in the unvaccinated section?

    No, children under 16 may sit with their family if the other members of the family are vaxxed.

    @dmsilev:   It’s different in NY – as long as the adult they’re with is vaccinated, the under-16 kid can attend.

  15. 15.

    Jeffro

    I love this both for the right reasons and the wrong ones.

    F the anti-vaxxers!  Grow. UP.

  16. 16.

    Facebones

    I’m fully vaccinated, but I would much rather sit apart from other people at a sporting event.

  17. 17.

    The Moar You Know

    So families with children have to sit in the unvaccinated section?

    @Old School:  that’s a bonus I had not previously considered. Doubly sold on the idea now.

    Any way we can get this applied to movie theaters? The unvaccinated area possibly being both soundproof and airtight? Restaurants as well? Christ, there is just no downside here I’m seeing.

  18. 18.

    JaneE

    We are proposing much the same thing here.  It may have been approved already.  You can have double the capacity limit if you restrict admission to vaccinated only.  How that is enforced and what kind of proof you needed to show was apparently up to the venue.  I would like to see something like Excelsior pass, but I don’t think we have a statewide registry of vaccinations.   I am sure there would be loud protests from the GOP, but we should have a statewide registry to record status.  Whether we ever get there is another question.

  19. 19.

    mrmoshpotato

    @dmsilev:

    I am unfamiliar with the concept of “excess” Yankee hate.

    Haha!  Same!

    Also go Mets! – twice tonight.

  21. 21.

    TomatoQueen

    @dmsilev:  There is a minimal level of Y****** hate, upon arising, then a usual level of same, one has had coffee, then there’s the after-brekky level, and then by lunch there’s the seething-at-the-teeth level. Under ordinary circumstances, that’s just barely sufficient. Now we’re adding Cuomo, so we gotta crank it.

  22. 22.

    Another Scott

    I haven’t read the notice, but I can’t imagine this working very well in practice in a whole lot of places.

    What about the concessions and restrooms?

    What about the shuttle buses to/from the parking?

    I mean it’s great to get the wavering and soft-NOs to be thinking about the benefits of the vaccines – that’s vitally important – but actually trying to segregate masses of people – even in nominally out-doors spaces isn’t really a sensible plan.

    “Those of you with the polio vaccine can play in the big pool, the kiddy pool, and ride the slide, while those of you without have to stay in the kiddy pool…” :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  24. 24.

    Catherine D.

    I heard back from the Excelsior Pass folks on why my vaccination isn’t showing up – the website currently doesn’t recognize multiple proofs but will be updated soon.

  25. 25.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @dmsilev:

    My hatreds are confined to the University of Kentucky, Notre Dame and all SEC football programs.

  27. 27.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    @Another Scott: July is a long way off and you can get a vaccination with zero wait all over New York.  I wonder how many venues will even bother to have an unvaccinated section.

  28. 28.

    The Moar You Know

    “Those of you with the polio vaccine can play in the big pool, the kiddy pool, and ride the slide, while those of you without have to stay in the kiddy pool…” :-/

    @Another Scott:  Bottom line: the refusers are going to have to be forced into doing this. We don’t have the luxury of letting them stay unvaccinated.

    So we can do it the social pressure/privilege way, or the “round ’em up and give them shots by brute force” way. I prefer the first as opposed to the second.

  30. 30.

    Martin

    That’s a clever solution. Are unvaccinated people willing to pay 3x as much to remain unvaccinated?

  33. 33.

    Another Scott

    @rikyrah: Rosenstein strangled Mueller’s investigation before it even got started, by explicitly limiting the scope via his secret scope memo (4 page .pdf), while letting everyone believe that Mueller had independence to follow the evidence wherever it led.

    Those who beat up on Mueller really are missing the point.

    (sigh)

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  36. 36.

    taumaturgo

    I can relate to the assholes anti-vaxxers who verify who they are in public and get their asses kicked. The few times I dare to act stupid, I got my ass handed to me. I hear you fellow assholes, quit while the going still good.

  37. 37.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Doc Sardonic: FTR one of my most cherished baseball stories is of a 1977 Yankees-Orioles game Dad & ​I attended at Memorial Stadium. It involves Reserved General Admission, Reggie Jackson, reprehensible fielding, and a shit-ton of carpetbagging Yankees fans. Available if enough of you axe me nicely…:^D

  40. 40.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @traumaturdo: The few times I dare to act stupid -​

    If the quality (or lack thereof) of your posts here is any indication, “few” must mean something like “anything under 1.0E+14 – per hour.”

    Go O’s! Go Crows!

  41. 41.

    Suzanne

    I love the idea of making the unvaccinated section really bad. Like the worst nosebleed section.

    I also love the aesthetics of the separation. It will be a potent thing for people. Much of the right wing is still secretly heartbroken that society at large doesn’t think they’re awesome.

    Can we call it “LEPER ZONE”?

  42. 42.

    JustRuss

    @Facebones:I’m fully vaccinated, but I would much rather sit apart from other people at a sporting event.

    Agreed.  Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, packing into an arena with thousands of other people for several hours is not on my to do list for the foreseeable future, outside or not.

  44. 44.

    zhena gogolia

    Boy, Tucker Carlson really has a thing about Harvard

    ETA: Especially when POC go there.

  45. 45.

    Brachiator

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    I love it – “but what about my freedom to get good shit and see neat things with lots of people without a mask or a vaccination? This is America, Goddammit, where every whim of the most eccentric and hateful assholes out there must be tolerated and embraced as baseline conduct.”

    This is happening everywhere. In the UK and other European countries, they are trying to see whether concerts and other events can be held. Some country recently held a large outdoor concert (maybe 5,000) of vaccinated folks.

    Human beings are (mostly) social animals. Everyone is trying to get social again.

    ETA: I do like incentives that encourage people to get vaccinated. Even dopey baseball fans.

  49. 49.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @zhena gogolia: I’d bet a large amount of money that thing is a long-ago letter that contained: “Due to a large number of highly qualified applicants, we regret to inform you that your step-mother’s inheritance is not large enough for us to find a place for you…”

  50. 50.

    zhena gogolia

    @MattF:

    There is much at stake now, including the ridiculous wokeness of our political rivals, the irrational policies at the border and runaway spending that threatens a return to the catastrophic inflation of the 1970s. Reagan formed a broad coalition from across the political spectrum to return America to sanity, and we need to do the same now. We know how. But this will not happen if Republicans choose to abandon the rule of law and join Trump’s crusade to undermine the foundation of our democracy and reverse the legal outcome of the last election.

    F you, Liz

    ETA: So you’re the sane ones? Right. Got it.

  52. 52.

    catclub

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan): ​
     

    I think this is the wave of the future. Vaccinated people will get on with their lives and leave the unvaccinated behind at large group venues

    It should have been the wave of the past. started about January with a target and rewards for meeting them – like dropping covid protocols when % vaccinated is 70%

  54. 54.

    Another Scott

    A good day for Wonkette and irreverent reporting everywhere.

    A good day for 1A. The Court granted our Motion to Dismiss in Larry Klayman v. @Wonkette @commiegirl1, saying, “Defendant’s statements do not present an actionable basis for claims of defamation because they are protected statements of pure opinion or rhetorical hyperbole.” pic.twitter.com/HrruRRkOcX

    — John M. Phillips (@JohnPhillips) May 5, 2021

    (via Popehat and Wonkette)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  55. 55.

    bluehill

    @MattF: Credit to her that she’s not backing down. Can’t recall too many well-known, anti-Trump repubs that didn’t bend a knee or retire to spend more time with their families.

  56. 56.

    mrmoshpotato

    @zhena gogolia:

    the ridiculous wokeness of our political rivals 

    Does Liz want to be taken seriously, or did she write this op-ed as a joke?

  58. 58.

    Doc Sardonic

    @Uncle Cosmo:This sounds intriguing, especially since you mention yankee fans. Personally, I find Yankee fans as insufferable as Cowboys fans.

  59. 59.

    catclub

    @Another Scott: ​
     

    Those who beat up on Mueller really are missing the point.

    Did not know that. I just want the unredacted version released. Who do I beat up on to get that?

  63. 63.

    catclub

    @mrmoshpotato: Does Liz want to be taken seriously, or did she write this op-ed as a joke?

     

    She agrees with us on ONE thing, the election was not stolen.

    Otherwise, not our friend, drinks from the rightwing pukefunnel.

  64. 64.

    Ken

    My guess is that the latter will be very small, because if I’m an event promoter/sports team owner, I want to fill my venue/stadium.

    If anyone complains, we can question their devotion to letting the free market decide.

  65. 65.

    Fair Economist

    @Facebones:

    I’m fully vaccinated, but I would much rather sit apart from other people at a sporting event.

    Like most people. If unvaxxed tickets don’t cost quite a bit more, the unvaxxed pretty much won’t be able to attend events at all, because the vaxxed will fill up the unvaxxed sections. (They are, after all, vaxxed, so the risk is minimal).

  66. 66.

    Martin

    @Another Scott: Doesn’t matter. The policy is designed to collapse the implementation to a specific outcome. It eliminates the venues ability to accommodate the non-vaxxers by either removing some of the revenue potential, or by shifting that cost to the non-vaxxers. These are all nudges to get holdouts to get vaccinated.

    So it presents a broad potential scope for implementation that preserves choice but really only one outcome is realistic. The venue is going to limit access for non-vaxxers, the non-vaxxers are going to give in to get access, the venue can’t really be harassed over limiting their access because it’s not their policy.

  67. 67.

    Ken

    @catclub: I just want the unredacted version released. Who do I beat up on to get that?

    Biden and Garland.  As I said in an earlier thread, the quickest way to get the full report is to spread an idiot rumor — something like “it shows Hunter Biden’s laptop was used by the Chinese to rig the 2016 election, that’s why Biden won’t release it” would do — and get Fox to amplify it to the point that every GQP in Congress does nothing but call for the report’s release.

  69. 69.

    burnspbesq

    @dmsilev:

    Question: Is it possible to support people getting vaccinated yet also hate both Cuomo and the Yankees?

    You knew the answer before you asked the question.

    #LFGM

  71. 71.

    kindness

    Sure sounds like Vaccine Passports to me.  But then again, I’ve gotten both my shots.

  74. 74.

    hueyplong

    @Uncle Cosmo: You’ll be pleased to contemplate the fact that the Yankees’ current World Series appearance drought is their longest since 1903-1920

    Well, tied for the longest since then with 1965-1975.  They can beat that one by failing this year.

  75. 75.

    Ken

    @Suzanne: Can we call it “LEPER ZONE”?

    Put the unvaccinated in the nosebleed section. Let’s face it, that will probably happen anyway, since those are the cheapest seats and often unoccupied.

    Or, if you’re running a bullring, unvaccinated gets sol, vaccinated gets sombra.

  76. 76.

    Fair Economist

    @MattF:

    @Fair Economist: Just have the unvaccinated pay for the empty seats that surround them.

    Perfectly reasonable, although at those prices there basically won’t be any unvaccinated sections. Which, perhaps, is the point.

  77. 77.

    burnspbesq

     

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    My hatreds are confined to the University of Kentucky, Notre Dame and all SEC football programs.

    That’s an excellent portfolio of hatred, but can I suggest adding Real Madrid, the Dallas Cowboys, and the University of Notorious Cheaters at Chapel Hell?

  85. 85.

    Skybird

    I doubt owners are going to want to set aside good seats for the “unwashed” errr, unvaccinated masses either.  The first and third base lines and fifty yard-lines won’t be wasted on the brain dead; besides you can squeeze more paying, thinking customers in then.

  86. 86.

    WaterGirl

    @MattF: That’s a damn good op ed.  Of course, what she says about the Biden administration, inflation, etc is bullshit, but it’s old-fashioned political bullshit.  I agree with pretty everything else she wrote.

    Democracy matters

    edit: What waves is it making?

  88. 88.

    Jay

    Tea suspects Liz Cheney wouldn’t be wavin’ a red flag at the bull if she didn’t know somethin’. Remember, her daddy still has a lotta connections in the D.C. Intel world. If somethin’ tragic happens to Trump legally, she’ll be sittin’ pretty to be a player in a post-Trump GOP.— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) May 5, 2021

  89. 89.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    Go Yankees. The haters are the anti-vaxxers of Baseball. Lol….

  90. 90.

    Benw

    Yep, same as reducing cigarettes, just make the unvaccinated folks life so inconvenient they get the shot. My wife was just saying this last week, glad to see NYS is listening  to her!

    :)

  91. 91.

    Jay

    So far, we've sent 4 gray tails to India, containing 1m Rapid Diagnostic Tests, 545 Oxygen Concentrators, 1,600,300 N95 masks, 457 Oxygen cylinders, 440 regulators, 220 pulse oximeters and 1 Deployable Ox. Concentration System. It's been a heroic effort from all involved. pic.twitter.com/RJuxJ0KOOf— Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III (@SecDef) May 5, 2021

  93. 93.

    zhena gogolia

    @WaterGirl: No, I watched that the other day, but David Frum linked to another Tucker rant where he kept mentioning Harvard in connection with S. Rice and B. Obama.

  96. 96.

    sdhays

    @Jay: I don’t believe that Darth Cheney knows shit. Dump getting charged isn’t going to pop the Q-bubble.

  101. 101.

    natem

    @Jay:

    Opinion | Sorry, but Joe Biden has turned out to be just too commie. Donald Trump is tragically America’s last best hope against the Red Horde. Therefore he has my full endorsement.

    –Liz Cheney, 2024

  104. 104.

    natem

    Lotsa sportsball hate I see going on this thread. One thing I’m sure we all can agree on is the RNC’s meme game is second to none

    Biden’s $3 TRILLION tax hikes are truly out of this world pic.twitter.com/j21EO7ciJa
    — RNC Research (@RNCResearch) May 5, 2021

  106. 106.

    Jay

    @sdhays:

    the GQP is a broad alliance of reactionaries, nazis, corporate whores, white supremacists, ammosexuals, Qmorons and the Religious Reich.

    unlike “Bush who?” a large segment of the GQP has made TFG into a loyalty test. They arn’t pretending that TFG was actually a Democrat.

    I am rooting for injuries and fatalities.

  108. 108.

    Jay

    @natem:

    Liz is betting that the GQP wars over TFG loyalty will splinter the party and that she can seize the mantle of the semi-sane Corporate rump.

  110. 110.

    randy khan

    @hueyplong:

    Well, tied for the longest since then with 1965-1975.  They can beat that one by failing this year.

    You call it failure; I call it a glorious consummation.

  111. 111.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    Confession time: I became a fan of the Yankees in the Don Mattingly years (hey, I was born almost within sight of the House that Ruth Built), and I never shook it.

    Watching them beat down the Astros yesterday was enjoyable. On the other hand, it grieved me to learn that Mariano Rivera was a Trumpist…

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    @catclub: I don’t expect republicans to agree with us on policy.  I do care that she is fighting for democracy and the peaceful transition of power.  That’s the whole ballgame right now.

  115. 115.

    WaterGirl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yep.  That was quite the rant from Joy Reid. I mean rant in the good way.

    edit: boy, it’s been awhile since I have caught myself talking to myself at the end of a thread.  4 comments in a row.  I hate when that happens.

  116. 116.

    AWOL

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: He’s a creepy born-again loon with strange beliefs about how a god benefits him and only him. (See his 2001 WS comments regarding a plane crash.) He runs a church and I’m sure it’s a merry-go-round of abuse.

  117. 117.

    Bill

    @The Moar You Know: This is it, precisely. It will likely help, to some degree, for the refusers to see people in large groups in public. “Those guys over there are living it up, having a great time. They look and sound pretty healthy. Maybe I should get the shot.”

  120. 120.

    Soprano2

    I’m at my first Springfield Cardinals game tonight. You wouldn’t believe the bitching in the private season ticket holders FB group about having to wear masks to attend. I’m so glad to be at a game, I can’t believe what babies they are!

  122. 122.

    J R in WV

    @zhena gogolia:

    Boy, Tucker Carlson really has a thing about Harvard

    ETA: Especially when POC go there.

    Can only inagine he applied and was soundly rejected immediately, as in just after his application was opened. No interview, even.

    So all the POC who get in, and poor people on scholarship, etc, are cheating him personally. Poor Tuck. So fuqin stupid it was obvious just from his cover letter.

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