In the comments to AL’s late night/overnight open thread post last night, there was a discussion about why Rudy Giuliani offered what he claims are Hunter Biden’s hard drives to the FBI agents who served the warrant and seized all 18 of his electronic devices. The reason he did this was simple and it was not, primarily, so he and his attorney could complain about it incessantly. The reason he did this is that the warrants for Rudy Giuliani’s electronic devices – all 18 of them – DID NOT cover hard drives alleged to be Hunter Biden’s! Had the FBI agents taken them, it would have allowed Giuliani and his attorney to challenge the search and seizure of his electronic devices – all 18 of them – covered under the warrant because the FBI agents had seized something not covered by the warrant.
The FBI agents, being professionals who know their jobs, did not fall into Rudy’s cunning trap. Which is why Rudy has been complaining endlessly about their refusal to take the hard drives he claims are Hunter Biden’s. Rudy is still a smart enough lawyer, or his attorney is, to have tried to pull this off. But because it failed and because Rudy can’t keep his mouth shut and thinks he’s far smarter and a far better lawyer than he ever was, is now ranting about it incessantly.
And that, my friends, is why Rudy Giuliani offered hard drives he claims belong to Hunter Biden to the FBI agents who raided his home and office and seized his electronic devices. All 18 of them.
Open thread!
debbie
I’ll be laughing past midnight after reading that.Thanks!
Villago Delenda Est
Oozy thinks like TFG thinks: that he’s always the smartest person in the room. Much of his emotional capacity is used to deny the reality that he’s actually not.
Cameron
….and you can be sure those Hunter Biden hard drives are 100% authentic! Of course, you may have to use a butt-swipe to log on to them…..
SiubhanDuinne
Nice analysis, Adam. There’s a strong whiff of “Oh, PLEASE don’t push me into this briar patch!” about Rudy’s begging the agents to take HB’s
laptophard drives. I haven’t always been the FBI’s biggest fan, but good for them for not falling for Rudy’s scurvy tricks.(Corrected terminology.)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Just think, this man was a high-powered US Attorney for several years and the mayor of one of the most populous cities in the world for two terms. The mind boggles
Excellent analysis Adam!
Snarki, child of Loki
The *next* search warrant Rudy gets will be served by Borat and a young pretty blonde FBI agent.
Well, one can hope.
jl
I don’t wish to appear stupid, or ignorant, or not up to date with fashion, but does anyone know exactly what all these ‘Hunter Biden drives’ are? Apparently millions of people have them, or copies of them, and there is some sinister plot by police all around the world to avoid looking at them.
And, as long as we are on the subject, where are my Hunter Biden drives? Hell, I’m a taxpayer just like Rudy. How come he got his and I didn’t get mine? Did someone swipe them off my stoop when the UPS person left them, or what?
Edit: and if my car engine conks out, can I use a Hunter Biden drives to power the damn thing? At warp speed, or not. In sum, I want my Hunter Biden drives and I want it now!
Chetan Murthy
@jl: What? You didn’t get the link to the form for ordering yours? It came with my April Sorosbucks statement.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@jl:
Hunter Biden’s the reason we don’t have Cold Fusion! He used Obama’s time machine to destroy the schematics for Cold Fusion reactor.
In all seriousness, the “Deep State” is as good as an explanation as any for these kooks
Ken
Hmm, you give him more credit than I do. Also more words; I would have stuck with “delusional”.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ken:
Same with Sydney Powell. Though I’ve always wondered given her legal defense of “no reasonable person would believe my ramblings” if she really was that delusional, it was partly an act, or she believed the conspiracy stuff and this defense is just something her lawyers are advising her to say
randy khan
I guess Rudy and his lawyers have forgotten how well trained FBI agents are when it comes to executing warrants.
jl
@Chetan Murthy: @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
There was a core of serious inquiry in my comment.
I really never understood what was supposed to be on the Hunter Biden drives. And I have no clue on how a substantial fraction of the human population came to have a set. I really seriously don’t. Anyone have a link?
I mean look here, a youtube on natives way up in the Arctic using them to repair their snow machines and short wave radios. And then another one about pollution from mountains if discarded Hunter Biden drives in Bangladeshi junk piles and the locals making a living off of salvaging them. It’s a new global crisis like climate change and covid!
KrackenJack
Careful Rudy. Flapping your mouth about being in possession of stolen goods may lead to a state warrant by people who couldn’t care less about the contents. Then you’ll have to claim that it is in fact fake to avoid legal jeopardy. That opens you up to civil action by Hunter. Cunning indeed!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
meanwhile…
Ken
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ah, the old “when in a hole, keep digging” approach.
Chetan Murthy
@jl: wait,are you telling me there are piles of disk drives not-in-use, that I could get my grubby fingers on to …. farm Chia tokens? Really? Dude, where do I go to find out about ’em?
jl
@Ken: I guess next is that Jews who wear masks, or don’t shit on anyone else who does, are self-hating and not real, betraying their home country in the Middle East.
Nope… I can’t see any antisemitism there at all.
/snark
jl
@Chetan Murthy: Scientists have found evidence that parrots in the Australia have learned to use them to repair their smart phones when they need to DM magpies.
Delk
Rudy can fail.
Cameron
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh…oh. I guess it’s all good then.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
But damn, we love our space lasers!
Adam L Silverman
@jl: Here you go:
https://balloon-juice.com/2020/10/19/betty-cracker-asks-we-answer-hunter-bidens-phone-being-hacked-is-the-most-likely-pathway-for-the-information-giuliani-is-peddling/
https://balloon-juice.com/2020/10/29/regarding-the-alleged-hunter-biden-materials-this-is-some-of-the-most-amateur-looking-garbage-ive-ever-seen/
SFBayAreaGal
Where are Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale when you need them?
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I saw that. Eventually she’s going to mouth off to the wrong Jewish person.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: MTG really doesn’t get anything at all besides Mango Mussolini and ammosexuality.
craigie
Still amazed at how much Boris Badenov looks like Rudy – or maybe it’s the other way around.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks. The ending of that second link doesn’t bode well.
You don’t have a link where I can find out what happened to my set?
trnc
I understand why the FBI wouldn’t want to take anything not covered by the warrant. I’m curious about how they determined those drives didn’t come from one of Rudy’s computers (even one not on the premises). I’m guessing the answer is, “That’s why they’re the FBI and I’m not.”
jl
@Adam L Silverman: So, I guess I should put you down in the ‘a tad skeptical’ camp?
Adam L Silverman
@jl: I’m not following your question. Could you please restate it with context?
Thanks!
craigie
@trnc:
For one thing, I doubt the warrant said “…and any old internal drives that happen to be laying around”
Adam L Silverman
@jl: Yep.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: I thought everyone was supposed to have their own set of Hunter Biden drives.
I seem to remember several Trumpster pundits and operators said that they had their own personal set of Hunter Biden drives, which worked way better than ginzu knives, ronkomatics, floor waxes and desert toppings and any other kind of stuff. But maybe I am mistaken.
Adam L Silverman
@trnc: @craigie: By his own admission he told them he had “Hunter Biden’s hard drives”, took them out, and asked them to take it. So they didn’t have to think very hard about it.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: Okay, now I’m tracking. It was the “where do I get my own set” that confused me. I was like “own set of what?”
jonas
Has anyone asked Rudy what he’s doing with (ostensibly) stolen property belonging to Hunter Biden?
MattF
@Jim, Foolish Literalist @Adam L Silverman: Greene has that ‘Punched in the mouth too often’ vibe. Someone to enjoy staying away from.
Danielx
@craigie:
never noticed it, but the resemblance is remarkable.
Danielx
@jl:
But NOT better than the Popiel Pocket Fisherman!
jl
@Danielx: Giuliani’s developed a Nosferatu looking vibe, except old Nosfy has better posture, looks to be in better shape and in some vague sense far saner, in general, much more wholesome and trustworthy.
So, except for the fact that Nosferatu looks like the stereotypical ‘sound man’ compared to Rudy, a very close resemblance.
Another Scott
@trnc: Let’s see… DelawareOnline talked to the Mac repair place.
The chain of custody is whack.
The guy gave a copy of a hard drive to Guiliani’s people 2 months before the election. Rudy gave a copy of the drive to the NY Post in mid-October.
It has always smelled really fishy, and the FBI probably knew enough about it to not take it.
Cheers,
Scott.
M31
@craigie:
pretty sure that’s Simon Bar Sinister
Beeb
It has been a very long time since I knew a lot about the Fourth Amendment, but there used to be something called the plain view doctrine that said that the FBI could indeed have seized evidence of an entirely different crime if they had come across it in the course of an otherwise lawful search.
And it also used to be the law that if the subject of the search consented to it, no warrant was needed, although it had to be uncoerced consent.
I would think that Rudy jumping up and down and waving the alleged hard drive at the agents, saying please take this too, I stole it just for you guys, would constitute both plain view and consent. Just video him for the record to avoid arguments about the context.
Perhaps a Juicer whose JD is a lot younger than mine can tell us how much the law has changed since I last looked at it, back when Methuselah was in diapers. But if it hasn’t, I would think that they didn’t accept Rudy’s offer because they didn’t want to, not because they couldn’t.
Major Major Major Major
Interesting!
MisterForkbeard
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think the next step here is to ask her why sbe believes Israel (widely vaccinated) is full of irrational Jews. According to her.
craigie
@M31: That’s what I meant. This is why I got a ‘D’ in Classic Cartoons 101.
Adam L Silverman
@M31: That is, indeed, Simon Bar Sinister.
TS (the original)
Off topic but I enjoyed this read
CNN parts ways with pundit Rick Santorum, former senator who made much-criticized comments about Native Americans
Especially when the apology was not acceptable
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Cameron:
You can tell they are the authentic Hunter Biden hard drives because they have the Russian version of Windows on them.
/s of course…lol
Adam L Silverman
@Beeb: Plain view does still exist.
Bill Arnold
@jl:
I’ve been assuming that there is also the possibility (reasonable confidence (like 70 percent)) that one or more images were captured of Hunter Biden’s unattended not-whole-drive-encrypted laptop and/or external drive. (Or encrypted with a stupid short guessable password, which is one of the stories) Or maybe encrypted but with breakable encryption. Probably while he was traveling to a country where such things are reguarly done[1] to those who don’t take serious precautions. (Hunter Biden is a reckless guy.)
Then the images got replicated, independently edited by multiple parties and with additional files added (Russians and others), and made their way to a convincingly oh-so-gullible Mr. Giuliani, with a concocted back story about a laptop repair.
Adam’s links are must-read as well.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_maid_attack
MattF
@Adam L Silverman: Perhaps Rudy and his lawers are looking to draw out any legal proceedings until TFG is re-elected. There’s a flaw in that strategy, though.
Ken
@Adam L Silverman: And now, just as the last time you posted it, the “Underdog” earworm has taken up residence.
Adam L Silverman
@Ken: You’re welcome!
jl
@Bill Arnold: Thanks I’ve been catching up on it with links.
Several countries have declared Hunter Biden drives to be a dangerous invasive pest. And there is a doomsday clock counting down to the minutes until enough right wing kooks have enough Hunter Biden drives to outweigh the earth itself and send it hurtling into the sun. All the UFO sightings are actually of garbage dumps from orbiting alien spacecraft jettisoning their excess supplies of Hunter Biden drives.
Fascinating stuff
Edit: and I forgot world changing engineering miracles from Hunter Biden drive nano-technology may just be around the corner. Amazing times!
rp
This explanation doesn’t make a lot of sense. The agents have no way of knowing what’s on the drives or who they belong to when they execute the search. They’d take everything and figure out what was on them later. What if Giuliani said one of his own drives was Biden’s and the agents decided not to take it because it wasn’t on the warrant? What if Giuliani said none of the drives were actually his? I suspect he never told them he had any of Biden’s drives and is only now making this absurd claim to muddy the waters.
eta: unless the warrant only covered “devices” such as phones and not computers or hard drives, but I find that hard to imagine.
jl
@rp: But… wait… your reasoning implies the Giuliani is an unhinged, desperate, liar… emitting insane ravings that will just get him in even more trouble…
Beeb
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks, Adam. Major whew. I always hesitate to offer an opinion about something so far outside my specialty. And although I was pretty sure I’d have heard about a change of that magnitude, I might have missed it. So I really appreciate your confirmation.
Dan B
@debbie: We underlings love your Space Lasers! We submit to you our most superior and erratically spiteful overlords!! Please do not smite (spite fry?) us from on high!!!
Sincerely;
Goyishm everywhere
But if you hiccup and “Spite Fry” MTG and cohorts we have limitless forgiveness and endless forgetting in abundance for you!
Danielx
@jl:
You don’t miss a thing, do you?
prostratedragon
I think Joseph diGenova is the one who’s a ringer for Badenov. Appropriate since Victoria Toensing is a pretty good Fatale. But I recently saw a photo of RG where he looked just like Bar Sinister.
Adam L Silverman
@Beeb: I basically heard this argument made by a lawyer as analysis for what Rudy was trying to accomplish, I can’t remember which one or where, and since folks here burned up a comment thread over what Rudy was trying to do, I figured I’d put it on the front page.
CaseyL
@MattF:
FTFY.
moonbat
There’s no need to fear. Decent US attorneys are here!
MobiusKlein
I assume the agents executing the warrant called their supervisor, who told them to leave it.
For one, Hunter is the subject of investigation. Hunter’s purported private data is not covered, so no reason to grab it.
Poe Larity
@jl: Larry “Whitey Tape” Johnson’s friend’s son ran a repair shop where someone supposedly Hunter Biden brought in 3 laptops he’d poured drinks on (or something) and then never retrieved them so Larry Johnson’s friend’s son naturally called Larry to ask him what to do.
Given Hunter must break laptops every day, there are thousands of them.
Adam L Silverman
@moonbat: We’re saved…
Or something.
Ruckus
@rp:
As I understand it they had a warrant for communication devices and likely had a list of what they were looking for in the warrant. That is the limitation of what they can seize. If in looking they came across a pound of powdery stuff that looked suspicious, you know had straws sticking in a ziplock bag and people with suspicious looking white traces of powder under their noses sort of laying around looking just a bit out of it, they likely could have taken that, but they would have also arrested everyone there. And they didn’t so it’s likely they didn’t find that bag of powder.
Beeb
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks again! If I had known that, I would have been less tentative about voicing my disagreement. If you remember who it was, tell them that it’s an interesting analysis, but they are wrong. :>)
(Unless it was Immanentize. Imm really is an expert in this stuff.)
ChuckInAustin
Rudy walks into a bar with a rat on his head. The bartender says “What’s that!”
and the rat answers, “I don’t know it was just a lump on my ass yesterday’
Dmbeaster
Of course, nothing stops Rudy from delivering the alleged hard drives to the FBI, or to anyone else. He has refused to date to deliver copies of the hard drives to the media for examination, despite being asked to do so.
Just more theater of the absurb by right wingers.
Yutsano
@Adam L Silverman:
I imagined this applying to you. It doesn’t end well for her.
Amir Khalid
I also wonder: Were those hard drives indeed Hunter Biden’s? If so, how did they wind up in Rudy’s possession: were they stolen from Hunter and then given/traded/sold to Rudy? Did Hunter just give
Sriously them to him?
Origuy
This has been a crazy year for volcanos. A new eruption just started in Africa and this looks like it’s going to be bad.
ETA: Mount Nyiragongo has the fastest lava flows in the world, going up to 100km per hour. It’s one of the most deadly volcanos on Earth.
West of the Rockies
@TS (the original):
Wouldn’t it be lovely if henceforth nobody asked for Santorum’s opinion on national TV? At least Scott Walker was unphotogenic enough to not have ended up yammering nightly on any network.
Yutsano
@West of the Rockies:
Scott Walker is not bad in the looks department. What doesn’t help him on TV is he has the charisma of room temperature mayonnaise. I honestly don’t know how he got elected three* times as Wisconsin governor. I’m watching you now
cheeseheads.
*I’m including the recall election here.
joel hanes
Consider the hypothetical :
– The drive or drives in Giuliani’s possession contain fabricated stuff, the mix of real documents and altered and fake ones that makes for effective disinformation
– Giuliani actually believes that the drive contains non-faked evidence that will incriminate Hunter Biden, because he’s a doddering old fool
– If the FBI took them, Giuliani’s lawyers could demand that the contents be examined during discovery.
and thus they hoped to once again catapult the bullshit.
James E Powell
@joel hanes:
This Hunter Biden thing has never taken off because only wingnuts give a shit about Hunter Biden. Even the wingnuts have no idea what the supposed allegations are, but they understand that such details are not necessary. Just keep saying his name and insisting that there is some there there.
Vixen Strangely
I worry about Rudy’s 18 devices–didn’t he know he could hit them with a hammer if he thought they were compromised, or maybe treat them to an “acid wash”? AFAIK there’s no good reason to have so many phones–because really? If all it comes down to is contacting journalists by means of buttdials and unsuccessfully overturning elections by means of fakakta crisis actors saying nonsense in front of state legislative panels, maybe this is more stupid activity than anyone needs the bandwidth for. I have one phone and I basically use it six times a week. All to my spouse, maybe once a month or so I call a utility company.
James E Powell
@Vixen Strangely:
I will go to my grave wondering why Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin didn’t think of this. If memory serves, that’s what some member of the Bush/Cheney Junta did and there were no consequences. Tom Brady did it too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Yutsano: we could lock her in a room with Susie Greene?
trollhattan
@Bill Arnold:
I presume in wingnut minds[sic] Hunter Biden has taken on the Keyser Söze role and is the key to dismantling the criminal Democrat[sic] machine and launching the march to restore American greatness.
trollhattan
Man with no chin now has $42k fewer dollars.
Pity.
Adam L Silverman
@Beeb: I think it was Lawhawk who tweeted it. But it’s 2 AM and I’m going to bed, so I’m not going to look for it.
trollhattan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Susie Essman says random people stop her in public and insist she cuss them out. I can believe it.
Adam L Silverman
@Yutsano: I would prefer you not create a reason for the Capitol Police to pay me a visit. I will consider myself very, very lucky if I’m never within 25 miles of her.
The reality is that people like her tend to mouth off to the wrong person eventually. It may not happen when we’d like it to happen, but sooner or later someone decides they’re going to get even. Sometimes that’s by directing the law at the them. Sometimes that’s by just punching someone in the face.
From the look of it, Green’s had her nose broken, badly, and not properly reset. As a martial artist I can honestly say that she’s got the same physical tells around her nose and upper cheek bones and lower eye orbits that Trump does. Specifically, she either did something stupid and took a really bad face plant or someone gave her a hell of a beating. Or someone gave her a hell of a beating leading to a really bad face plant. But the makeup only covers up so much.
Adam L Silverman
@Amir Khalid: Rudy’s story, which is also Johnny Mac Isaac’s story, is that Hunter Biden brought several water damaged MacBooks to his strip mall hole in the wall computer repair store in Delaware in 2019 seeking to have them fixed. Biden never returned for them, so Mac Isaac – who is not just legally blind, but so blind that his friends and former employees/coworkers have stated he literally has to put his face up against a computer screen or a piece of paper to be able to read anything – decided to fire them up, see who they belonged to, determined they were Hunter Biden’s, determined that they contained a lot of evidence of a lot of criminal activity by Hunter Biden, copied everything he found onto a couple of brand new hard drives, and then contacted the FBI. The FBI, according to Mac Isaac and Giuliani, basically blew him off, so he reached out to Giuliani. Somewhere in all this Larry “Whitey Tape” Wilson, who is a friend of Mac Isaac’s father who is a retired US Air Force officer, got involved too.
None of the story adds up. None of it, or the people telling it, are credible.
eclare
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Classic.
Adam L Silverman
@Vixen Strangely: According to Olivia Nuzzi’s reporting, he has so many – between himself and his staff – because he misplaces them on a regular basis. He leaves them in the car. He leaves them at the restaurant. He leaves them at the office. He is, indeed, the first name in cyber security!
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Man with no chin never actually pays his debts. I expect G/O media’s attorneys will see their $42,000 sometime after AJ Delgado sees the child support he’s been delinquent on for the past five years.
Adam L Silverman
I’m to bed. Catch everyone later in the day. I’ll have some things to say about the completely out of control and out of proportion reporting on UFOs. In the mean time:
Comrade Colette
@Adam L Silverman: Whaddaya mean, “Aryans” ?!? Who you callin’ a damned Aryan?
Oh, wait.
I think the stress is getting to me.
Ruckus
@Yutsano:
That is freaking hilarious
And BTW very true.
Anne Laurie
It’s been suggested she hit herself in the face with a kettlebell. Twice, to show that she meant to do that!!! after the first time.
Morzer
Rudy Giuliani – where the daily butt-dial meets the unrestrained inner monologue.
trnc
Yes, but his admission doesn’t mean much because he’s a known liar. At any rate, I presume that the wording of the warrant was such that hard drives removed from computers were not covered (which seems odd), or the agents were able to determine that the drives did not contain any data or information related to the case.
leeleeFL
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
@M31:. Simon Bar Sinister…..and isn’t THAT name a charming anti-Semitic throwback?!!! I always thought so, even as a little kid. And I was Catholic!
2liberal
re: MTG holocaust comments – she’s happy about the response. her name is in the news in a lot of places. that’s all she wanted.
Booger
@leeleeFL: Doesn’t ‘Bar Sinister’ simply infer illegitimacy? I understand the ‘Bar’ part sounding Jewish, but sometimes a play on words is just a play on words. Especially in a nasty cartoon character?
trnc
@James E Powell:
That’s probably a joke, but JIC: destroying the device used to send the junk pic does not destroy said pic already sent over the innertoobz nor the server that it likely synced to under his account.
Not a democrat.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@trnc: Or maybe the agents executing the warrant just decided to use their discretion with regards to stuff not specified in the warrant. Loose hard drives or SSDs don’t display their contents to casual observers, after all. “Not our case, not our concern”, especially if Rudy was saying “take these, they’re Hunter Biden’s hard drives”.
Just One More Canuck
@CaseyL: someone of my FB feed posted a side by side of her and Dog the Bounty Hunter and now I can’t unsee him when I read her name
Gvg
@leeleeFL: how? Bar Sinister just means bastard. It was a heraldic device put on medieval coats of arms meaning illegitimate descendant. Born outside wedlock. No association with Jewish people at all, it was European historical.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@Gvg: And if I recall correctly, “sinister” was simply a reference to the left side when the heraldic term “bar sinister” was coined. The association with untrustworthiness came later, something to do with left-handedness as I recall.
artem1s
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I still think he was trying to introduce evidence to back his HB claims into some official investigation. Evidence in plain site. Getting his case dropped would be a nice side benefit, to be sure. So you also gotta wonder why he would try such a thinly veiled ruse with experienced FBI agents. Maybe because it always worked when he wanted the NY field office to do his dirty work and either put someone in a jam or get someone out of one?
artem1s
@TS (the original):
I cannot believe CNN is now whitewashing the hiring of someone who was known to have compared homosexuality to bestiality. And let’s not forget his wonderful views on a women’s right to make decisions about their own healthcare. CNN hired this guy knowing full well that his beliefs were a frothy mix of fecal matter and lube but chose to ignore them so they could appease certain conservatives with lots of advertising dough. Day late and a dollar short assholes.
Chris Johnson
@joel hanes: Consider the hypothetical:
-it’s all complete bullshit and Rudy’s been colluding with Russian Intelligence this entire time, so he’s desperately trying to get a Russian virus into the FBI computers so the Russian hackers can shut down the investigations in some insane Hail Mary exploit.
Thing is, I think that would be a moot point because they would most certainly have owned ALL his other devices anyhow, something the FBI would probably know already. So there is not going to be any blithe logging into Rudy devices of ANY kind on the network or anywhere else, because he is the living image of the useful idiot, and is not in control of his own destiny or his own treasonous activity.
I do think it’s funny, this notion of Rudy being all like ‘wait, take THESE hard drives and plug them into your network!’ thinking that will pwn the FBI, on the laughable assumption that there are traps in those and not in all his other stuff already.
leeleeFL
@Booger: you could be right, but it always bothered me. Maybe it’s the combination of Simon with Bar.
Feathers
@Gvg: It’s not a real term. A band across the shield in heraldry is called a bend. It goes right to left. Apparently, the bar sinister is a joke, commonly used used in Hollywood. Remembering this from a book read long ago on film comedy, but not which film(s) used it.
Wikipedia: Bend (Heraldry)
Uncle Cosmo
@Odie Hugh Manatee: OKHA-47.
@ChuckInAustin: In the virgin I recall, it was a toad, and the punch line was Would you believe it started as a wart on my ass? Details, only details…
burnspbesq
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Does she have anything better?
Mike G
The FBI were not fooled despite the hard drives had written on in Sharpie, “Hunntre Biden’s hard drives full of Ukrane crimes with no viruses (totally not belonging to Rudy Giuliani)”