First of all, we have a false notion that Tulsa was an oasis of exceptional Black people. It wasn’t even the MOST POPULAR “Black Wall Street.”
Look up the Hayti neighborhood in Durham. Look up Boley, Oklahoma. Look up Richmond’s Black Wall Street.https://t.co/Ee2i3H812g
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) May 30, 2021
And this is not to dismiss Tulsa. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t feed into the narrative that Black ownership and success is extraordinary.
Every time Black people are left to their own devices, excellence emerges.
In fact, the Black section of Tulsa was originally known as “Little Africa.” But in 1906, Booker T. Washington visited and saw the community.
He told them about a district he had started in Tuskegee, Ala. filled with Black-owned businesses.
He named Tuskegee’s “Black Wall Street” after Tuskegee Institute’s first agricultural teacher, C.W. Greene.
He called it “Greenwood.”
Secondly, we have this notion that Greenwood was filled with business owners. Not true.
Williams worked for a white-owned ice cream company. But because he was so good at maintaining and repairing the refrigeration equipment he was paid well. John and his wife Loula owned the first car in Greenwood.
Of course, there were no mechanics, so John fixed his own car. pic.twitter.com/KEDs3JwZgg
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) May 30, 2021
John’s wife Loula quit her job as a teacher and opened HER OWN ice cream shop and bakery. And since Loula was always interested in theater, she opened her own theater. And it was so successful, she opened her own MOVIE theater.
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) May 30, 2021
Let’s get back to why. If you listen to the white version, this started when 19-year-old Dick Rowland bumped into a white girl on an elevator in the Drexel Building, which caused outrage.
That happened, but it was only part of the story.
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) May 30, 2021
See, the Tulsa police knew Rowland was innocent. But all the Black folks knew there was going to be trouble.
Why?
Because white folks in Tulsa had a habit of lynching Black people. And Black people were tired of that shit, so they started speaking out. pic.twitter.com/8UAjrEHTtb
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) May 30, 2021
Here’s the rest of the story…
Except, perhaps, for an odd historical note from the Washington Post:
As Tulsa commemorates the centennial of the #TulsaRaceMassacre the city is haunted by unresolved questions about it: How many people were killed? What happened to the bodies? Who were the White perpetrators? What happened to Dick Rowland and Sarah Page?https://t.co/rvPoVro9d1
— DeNeen Brown (@DeNeenLBrown) May 30, 2021
raven
Nicole Wallace is having Jason Johnson screaming about how useless Biden’s speech was. FUCK YEA!!! Happy now?
VeniceRiley
@raven: Ugh.
I hope we can keep a spotlight on Tulsa for a loooooong time. I think white Tulsa is just waiting for this to blow over.
Elizabelle
Thank you, Anne.
@ raven: Who is Jason Johnson?? Should I care?? If he thinks Biden’s speech was useless, maybe he is better suited to one of those fine restaurant jobs I hear tell are going unfilled …
Elizabelle
Here’s C-Span recording of PJRB’s speech in Tulsa. Seems to have a rush transcript (closed captioning-derived) below it.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?512210-1/president-biden-delivers-remarks-1921-tulsa-race-massacre&live
raven
@Elizabelle: He’s a Professor and, yes, I think you should.
Dr. Jason Johnson
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I can’t believe #Biden went in front of the descendants of the #TulsaMassacre and repeated that same tired trope about interracial couples on television. I wrote about it after the FIRST time he said it
raven
Jason Johnson is an American political scientist, commentator and writer. He is the author of the book Political Consultants and Campaigns: One Day to Sell. Johnson is an associate professor[1] of communication and journalism at Morgan State University. He is a regular political contributor to MSNBC and CNN.
Baud
@raven:
Why did Biden bring up the Willises?
Elizabelle
Some other links — and I found the second of these via a CNBC story on the massacre’s anniversary.
Slate: Read an Eyewitness Account of the Massacre That Opens Watchmen — [ie. Attorney and eyewitness BC Franklin’s manuscript]
175 plus pages, several essays: PDF: The Oklahoma History Association’s 2001 report: Tulsa Race RiotA Report by the Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921
Brachiator
@raven:
I don’t know who Jason Johnson is, and don’t much care.
Elizabelle
PDF: a Harvard study:
After The Burning:
The Economic Effects of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre
Found this via the CNBC story, which was a really helpful one, with helpful links.
Elizabelle
WaPost roundup; they don’t have a story up yet.
dww44
@raven: I’ve not been a fan of Jason Johnson for quite some time. He’s too angry. He’s never happy with anything that Democrats do and when he described Biden as like a lot of other 70 plus year old white men…belittling him in that way, I switched channels. I know there’s the overused terms of ABM or ABL, but the truth is, angry people who scream at you all the time are never gonna gain any ground. No matter what their political persuasion or their skin color. He needs to go to Anger Management Class.
raven
@Brachiator: Well we have people bitching because there are former republicans on the goddamn show so we should be all fucking happy that we also get an African American who calls bullshit on the whole deal, shouldn’t we? Isn’t that “criticism”?
raven
@dww44: Tough call isn’t it?
Elizabelle
I think I’ve seen some stuff by Jason Johnson before and liked it.
Maybe he’s not always running around with his hair (if he has any) on fire.
Not helpful, dude.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
For those not following (and it’s not really worth following) I made one (1) off-hand comment about Matthew Dowd and Nicolle Wallace in the previous thread. That’s “people bitching”.
I don’t know (also don’t really care) why I touched a nerve with you by pointing out that Dowd and Wallace were framing an issue stupidly, but as I explained to you: Jason Johnson hadn’t yet said anything, stupid or not. What Wallace and Dowd said was still stupid.
As you so often advise: If you don’t like what’s on your TV, you can turn it off.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: So did you?
NotMax
@dww44
Reminded of a comment made by author/humorist Peter De Vries.
“My father hated radio and could not wait for television to be invented so he could hate that too.”
;)
taumaturgo
From JJ and many more blacks’ perspectives, the visit and speech were fine, the lack of concrete actions -like announcing a panel to study reparations for the descendants and any survivors of the massacre – would have been a most welcome step and avoided the let down of another of many virtue-signaling events that characterize the Democrats.
Brachiator
@raven:
No. Not really.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elizabelle: he surprised me today, too, because he’s usually a lot more pragmatic than that. He actually was sort of unofficially suspended from MSNBC for slamming Nina Turner and Brianna Joy Grey.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
True, but they are good for the network’s ratings.
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: LOL. Maybe that’s what I liked about Professor.
Nah. It was something else, an article …
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@raven: No, because I wanted to see what others had to say, and to see Biden’s talk. Like I said, it was an off-hand comment. I can’t for the life of me figure out why it got you so riled up.
Also, again, don’t really care.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m not riled up, you’re good people and always have been. I gotta get the smothered okra off the stove, further !
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: “The island of misfit black girls.” LOL.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@raven:
Well, thanks. And again, backatcha.
I guess I mis-, or over-, interpreted your comments. Sorry.
I’m gonna go fertilize my trees.
NotMax
Presume they’re regurgitating the Bowling Green Massacre today on Fox.
//
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@raven:
….What?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
before I go: Biden addressed the “Biden doesn’t get it!” talking point,, which is coming from people who should know better, in this speech, and with language that was, for amiable old Joe from the Senate, a pretty straight shot to the jaw
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Good, honestly. Everyone knows who he’s talking about
dww44
@NotMax: heh. I guess, to be fair to Professor Johnson, he’s not necessarily not pleased with Democratic party actions, whatever those changes are they never seem to be enough. While I get why he’s angry about the lack of reparations and the whole Tulsa thing, I am not likely to be persuaded by someone who shouts and demands all the time. Incremental change is better than no change. Long term lasting change is almost always incremental. But then, I’m a senior and I witnessed all the events since WWII.
NotMax
@dww44
Quoting De Vries again.
“We all learn by experience, but some of us have to go to summer school.”
;)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@NotMax:
LOL. An oldie, but a goodie
Hoodie
@NotMax: That was a riot, not a massacre. Or really, just a bunch of tourists getting rowdy.
ljt
Has anyone come across a spooled(?) version of the Michael Harriot thread?
terraformer
I amazed anew each time I read about this topic.
Count me as one of those who’s first inkling this happened with through a fvcking HBO miniseries. Other than innate hate and/or an inability to admit error, too many white people care to learn about this moment in our history, much less recognize its metamorphosis to the flavor and activity of white supremacy we see today.
I say along with reparations, we should use some portion of our national treasure to REBUILD Greenwood and all other such towns and cities, and populate them with first-choice descendants of those massacred, else at least with families of color in need who want to move there.
We have a lot to answer for, which may or may not be related to the current environment of extreme voter suppression and gerrymandering. That is – those behind such schemes KNOW this shit is getting real and that people are waking up. And they are dead set on not letting their greatest – imagined – fear be realized: that they’ll be “replaced.”
Brachiator
@Elizabelle:
I already knew a lot about Tulsa, but appreciate these links to later studies on the impact of the attack on the community.
And of course, what happened there is hardly unique, but part of a history of a long assault on communities of color.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Elizabelle:
Thanks, this looks really interesting and sobering reading
SiubhanDuinne
Speaking of atrocities, Arizona has decided it’s time to get cranking on executions again — and the best way to do that is to polish up the old gas chamber and cook up some Zyklon B.
Jesus F. Christ, sometimes I can.not.even.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/international/state-of-arizona-to-begin-using-zyklon-b-to-execute-inmates-on-death-row-669655/amp
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Brachiator:
One thing I never knew was that there were “internment centers” for the captured black Tulsans. That was chilling to read
dmsilev
@Elizabelle:
I have a completely inappropriate mental image of someone lying in wait for a wild Karen, having baited the trap with a store manager or something.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@SiubhanDuinne:
Evil people. I’m glad the Jerusalem Post is emphasizing the Holocaust implications of this. Absolutely disgusting how much Republicans want to kill people so badly, who will never be a danger to anyone else ever again
VeniceRiley
@dmsilev: Now, there is a show I would definitely watch.
Geminid
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The Root recently put up a review of their reporting since 2009 on the Tulsa Massacre, with excerpts. There is also at least one contemporary article. The excellant Michael Harriot writes for The Root, and may well put up an article tonight. The Root is a good source for news about the Black community generally, and it’s encounters with racist white people and institutions in particular.
debbie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Time to call CyberNinjas! //
Poe Larity
All of them. How big was Tulsa back then? Get the phone/address lookup from the library, cross them with obits and have a Henry Louis Gates mini-series.
Let the ancestors howl and shriek.
Mike in NC
@SiubhanDuinne: Competing with South Carolina, where they want to bring back firing squads and the electric chair if there’s ever a shortage of lethal injections. Insane.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Nah, my delivery sucked.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s sounds like an euphemism for something.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Crap, I was thinking the same thing.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
I have often wondered: why not a fatal dose of heroin or something similar? Not painful but lethal. Or whatever drug they give to humanely put down pets. Is the problem that it wouldn’t be “cruel and unusual” enough?
I am against the death penalty, in any case.
raven
@Steeplejack:
An occasional cause of accidental death in humans, inert gas asphyxia with gases including helium, nitrogen, methane and argon has been used as a suicide method. Inert gas asphyxia has been advocated by proponents of euthanasia, using a gas-retaining plastic hood device colloquially referred to as a suicide bag.
Nitrogen asphyxiation has been suggested as a new way to carry out capital punishment. In April 2015, the Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed a bill authorizing nitrogen asphyxiation as an alternative execution method in cases where the state’s primary method of lethal injection was not available.[5][6] In March 2018, Oklahoma attorney general Mike Hunter and corrections director Joe M. Allbaugh announced plans to implement nitrogen executions,[7] but after struggling for years to design a nitrogen execution protocol, the state announced in February 2020 it abandoned the project and will resume executions by lethal injection.[8]
Steeplejack
@dmsilev:
“[. . .] having baited the trap with
a store manager or somethinga black person doing something innocuous in public.”Fix’d. The store manager comes later.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
So have I, and so am I.
Steeplejack
@raven:
That seems plausible, if it’s painless. Or just gassing them with carbon monoxide. The euthanasia literature must be full of painless ways to die.
burnspbesq
@raven:
if Coates goes off like that, I’ll pay attention. He has earned credibility with me.
burnspbesq
@taumaturgo:
‘If you know anybody who has a concrete, achievable plan to get a reparations plan through Congress, I’d love to hear about it.
burnspbesq
@Elizabelle:
wow. Judging from that quote, I’d say Johnson watches far too much Stephen A.
WaterGirl
@ljt: I asked John to buy the software that lets you take a tweet series and make it into a .pdf file. He bought it.
If you want to I’ve me link to the thread you are talking about, I’m sure we can get that done.
Oh, and totally OT, when you decide that your spicy sloppy joes needs a little more chili powder, do not accidentally add an extra 2 tablespoons worth when it comes out faster than you expected.
Delk
Speaking of Karen’s
WaterGirl
“This is not who we are” would be more accurately phrased as “This is not who I thought we were.”
WaterGirl
@Steeplejack:
And there’s the rub, for these cretins.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: This is not our Platonic self. It may be who we have been and who we currently are, but, to paraphrase an old army ad, we still haven’t been able to be all we can be.
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: Hmm. Sounds like as bad an idea as the cup of cider vinegar spasm-dumped into otherwise excellent spaghetti sauce. You know, to give it a little more tang.
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon: The idea was fine, but the execution was, shall we say, not great
edit: I think your cup of vinegar was probably worse. Not to pile on! :-)
NotMax
@WaterGirl
This is why, when shaking out dry spices without measuring, you shake them into the palm of your free hand, not directly into the food.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: My other hand was holding the lid of the pan!
But yes, clearly my technique could use some work. In all my life, this has never happened to me before. But I am a quick study!
Not quick enough, however, to have scooped out the part that had the avalanche of chili powder on it. In my defense, I didn’t know just how bad it was until I tried to stir it in. oh well.
ljt
@WaterGirl: The Michael Harriot thread is the one linked at the top. Anne Laurie showed the first several tweets, with a link to the “rest of the story.” I have trouble following beyond a half a dozen or so tweets, but I think this is an important thread.
Hope your spicy sloppy joes aren’t too spicy!
Miss Bianca
@dmsilev:
I will now NEVER be able to hear the name “Karen Hunter” again without that image in my head, THANKS, guy!//