These fucking people:
Important to remember that most anti-vaxxers are not too smart
— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) June 9, 2021
The woman above is a licensed physician, according to people on Twitter, who are never wrong. Anyhoo, she’s at a government hearing in Ohio, and it looks like she’s testifying in favor of stupid proposed legislation to exempt fellow idiots from vaccine “discrimination,” probably something modeled on the stupid law Florida recently enacted for that same idiotic purpose.
Dr. Tenpenny (confirmed!) does this by explaining that the coronavirus vaccines magnetize people because there’s metal in one of the proteins that are in the vaccine, and she wants to know what’s being transmitted from 5G towers.
At the same hearing, this nurse tries (and fails!) to demonstrate how her cleavage has been magnetized:
Anti-vaxx nurse demonstrates how the Covid vaccine turned her entire body into one big magnet! pic.twitter.com/TYRHp0umEL
— John Aravosis ?????️? (@aravosis) June 9, 2021
So, here’s what I see: a woman pressing a key against her chest, where it briefly sticks without her hand holding it up due to the naturally occurring oil we all have on our skins, and then she whips it away and tries and fails to get the key and then a bobby pin to stick to her neck. I see her pretending that the demonstration went off without a hitch and triumphantly demanding an explanation for her magnetic qualities rather than slinking off in shame.
In short, I see a raving kook.
But I am 100% certain that millions of Americans could look at the same goddamned video clips and conclude that OMFG, the 5G towers are triangulating on us and yes, that poor nurse can’t walk through the hospital without scalpels and stethoscope heads and crash carts and other metal objects slamming into her, irresistibly drawn by her magnetic boobs.
In short, we are doomed.
Open thread.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
most men find boobies to be magnetic
Obvious Russian Troll
When I see stickers and fliers with anti-mask or anti-vaxx bullshit (which I see way too fucking often), I’ve started to write something sarcastic on them (“Sir, this is a Wendy’s” or “I am not a crank”).
dmsilev
For the record, I do know the answer to “fucking magnets, how do they work?”.
“Because quantum mechanics” is the short version.
Elizabelle
Biden is speaking at a UK air base. He is balm for the soul.
Fuck the magnetized and weaponized dumb among us. They do not deserve attention, save for how best to work around them and protect ourselves against their foolishness and malevolence.
Elizabelle
Biden is talking about how we flew a helicopter on Mars, and there is nothing beyond our capacity.
“Our” is doing a lot of work there, but it’s always good to hear of human possibilities and not the constant parade of fail among Trumpmericans.
Finished. Rousing Souza march music.
JoyceH
@Elizabelle: Watching. And Biden said something to the troops about how he was “so proud of you”. And occurred to me to wonder. Has Trump ever told anyone he was proud of them? Even once in his life?
dmsilev
The good news is that the vaccine-paranoid can just do a magnet test for anyone who wants to enter their shop or whatever. If the pin drops, the customer is nonmagnetic and therefore is “safe”. Next, of course, the careful shop owner will compare the customer’s weight to that of a duck. I need not explain why.
Matt McIrvin
@Elizabelle: They’re still working hard on low-info, scared parents on the fence, trying to convince them to forbid their teenagers from getting the shot. Sometimes it works.
Elizabelle
I think the late Prince Phillip would have turned out to see President and Mrs. Biden. Do not think the royal family will leave Elizabeth alone, as with TFG.
Elizabelle
@Matt McIrvin: And believe some of the states allow minors to choose vaccination, despite their parents’
guidanceridiculousness, but not all?Perhaps one solution will be teen to teen communication; have some smart teen ambassadors out there, with easily understandable information to counteract the disinformation.
Who at that age thinks their parents are on top of everything? Work that!
ribber
Keys. Are. Brass.
Brass doesn’t stick to magnets.
schrodingers_cat
This doesn’t surprise me. According to my anecdata, premed students have the most difficulty with intro physics and magnetism is one of the most difficult subjects to understand in the intro physics syllabus. She was probably one of those premed students who turn in C level work but feel entitled to an A because they worked long and hard to produce that garbage.
Kent
My wife is a physician. And one of the things that I have learned after 2-decades of attending social events and such with physicians, is that they are no smarter than anyone else, and often dumber in any area of life outside their narrow expertise. Doctors, for example, are among the biggest dupes or patsies when it comes to being victims of investment fraudsters. I can’t count how many doctors I know who have been victimized by various limited partnership and investment scams.
Leto
@Elizabelle: He’s doing a lot of back slapping with the Airmen there, as well as selfies. Goes hand in hand with what @JoyceH: said, that’s he’s human and it shows. Genuine warmth
Edit: and I’ll say that I’m really glad he’s doing that as this has been an extremely long day for them. They (Airmen and their families) would’ve been in place at least 90 mins beforehand, as well as all the other setup/practice time for this stuff. Velvetamort would’ve done that stupid ass fist bump, bumbled on down the ramp, and then scurried off as fast as he could.
Elizabelle
@JoyceH: Can imagine TFG saying “proud” to Ivanka, but don’t see it with the sons. Maybe. He’s a narcissist, but am sure he has some human feelings for his family. So, maybe.
Anyway, I want to see TFG in court or on a perp walk. Beyond that, he can flap his lips and I cannot hear a word.
Elizabelle
@Leto: He told the airmen how he was impressed with what they do day to day, like midair refueling. You know he likes and enjoys being with them. They are the future. Hearts and minds.
Roger Moore
This stuff doesn’t have to be convincing to a skeptical audience; it just has to reassure believers they should keep believing. Unfortunately, plenty of those believers are in elected office.
trollhattan
Nurse[sic]: “Any questions?”
Yeah, a few. Let’s start with “where do you work?”
Metal. I took chemistry last millennium and still recall that there are a BUNCH of metals and only one of them is iron. Not other metal as far as I know is magnetic. Hey lady, you know what your blood contains? IRON! Is fucking blood fucking magnetic?
Wandering into the weeds, having had two Pfizer shots that were delivered from small syringes IDK the total amount in ccs but since the fluid is mostly inert, are we even getting 1 gram of ingredient? Yeah look at me, I’m MAGNETIC!
And I don’t have Covid, so there’s that.
Kent
Magnetism is actually an absurdly complicated subject. Here is famous physicist Richard Feynman on the topic: https://youtu.be/MO0r930Sn_8
Elizabelle
@Kent: That’s so true! A friend has made a very lucrative practice out of personal financial and investment management for physicians, because she was noticing that very trait during cocktail chat. It’s a win win.
schrodingers_cat
@Kent: That’s what accountants and CFA types have told me, that physicians and dentists are one of the biggest the demographic that falls for financial scams.
Many are allergic to math (see my physics anecdote above) so this is not surprising and think they are God and they have the money to invest.
Martin
The McGahn testimony transcript has been published.
schrodingers_cat
@Kent: Yes to truly understand magnetism you need quantum mechanics and even its classical treatment is mathematically challenging.
band gap
@ribber: ribber beat me to it. Brass is transparent to magnetic fields.
These people are idiots. How is it possible these people go to college, get degrees that require chemistry and such, and not know anything beyond what an average 10 year old knows?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@JoyceH: Trump said the troops are suckers and losers, does that work?
Elizabelle
Biden’s in a mask. Everyone is masked. The airmen are enthusiastic.
The US Marine anthem is playing. Now the US Navy anthem. This is the good kind of rah rah.
eclare
@Elizabelle: Agreed. Still remember the pic of the Obamas meeting George in his pj’s.
trollhattan
@Kent:
I’m forever saying similar things about engineers and ironically, one of the most dangerous creatures is an engineer who thinks he’s a doctor (and it’s typically though not exclusively the male, not the female engineers who think they’re so clever).
featheredsprite
I am fully vaccinated. If I have been magnetized, why do kitchen things keep falling to the floor? Why don’t they cling to my magnetic bosom?
I spend way too much time picking things up. I think I got cheated.
Leto
@Elizabelle: also shows he pays attention to his briefings because that’s their main mission out of Mildenhall. Next door (literally, two roads over) is RAF Lakenheath, which is home to fighters and special ops aviators. It’s a little thing but it goes such a long way.
JaneE
Sticking something on her chest doesn’t prove anything. Some strippers could probably get a dictionary to “stick” on their chest for as long as her key did. I just did that with an ordinary freebie notepad, no metal or magnets, just wood pulp. I guess that makes me sappy.
Ken
@dmsilev: As even a superficial perusal of the Feynman Lectures will show.
Matt McIrvin
@schrodingers_cat: This was my life as a teaching assistant in grad school. They assigned me to the electricity-and-magnetism semester of Physics for Pre-meds, over and over and over.
Elizabelle
A lot of UK airmen of color. Great to see all their young servicemembers.
eclare
@Elizabelle: Get Miley Cyrus, Megan Thee Stallion, and BTS on it
Steve in the ATL
@Elizabelle: and according to a headline I saw earlier, “Mars announced adoption of UN Sustainable Development Goal 14” so it’s good to see their concern for Earth’s environment.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
A Facebook group for small firms and solo practitioners in my area that I participate in is loaded with young lawyers. They ask a lot of earnest young lawyer questions, and I try to be helpful as there aren’t really many mentoring situations these days like there used to be.
This morning, a young woman stated that a potential client was trying to set up a crypto investment firm among four people, and wanted to know if she should use a corporation or an LLC. She also stated that someone had already handed them 9 Mil to invest. She got some good advice:
– One guy recommended a CPA consult on tax structure before anything;
– One guy said “send it to an SEC lawyer if other people’s money is involved”;
– I said that there are no malpractice policies with limits big enough to cover the liability exposure, and that crypto is only good for human trafficking, narco trafficking, money laundering, bribes, evasion of currency controls, ransomeware payments, child porn, tax evasion, asset shifting ahead of creditors, etc. I pointed out that an involved lawyer could likely find themselves hauled before a grand jury to testify about these things, and that these wallets are targets of hackers.
The post is now inundated with “crypto is ‘the future’” from people who should know better. I’ve pointed out that it’s simply some free floating, wildly fluctuating math solutions that devour energy and are backed by the full faith and credit of nothing. I swear that people are getting dumber, and that the big mistake has been to assign opinion some measure of worth.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodingers_cat: Most pre-med students when I went to college(I was one for a year) never took Physics, it wasn’t required for the Biology major.
Elizabelle
@Leto: Good to hear. Thank you.
Leto
Network of jailed Russian opposition leader Navalny declared ‘extremist’ by Moscow court (WaPo)
Elizabelle
@eclare: Yes! Cardi B too. Lot of influencers out there, who want this pandemic over so they can get back to concert life.
patrick Il
@Matt McIrvin:
Why would they do that?
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle: I’m hoping to see representatives of the younger generation(s) joining the Queen. Hope Handsome Joe and Dr. Jill will remove the aftertaste of TFG cutting in front of her.
Ken
This is the kind of magnetism that works on brass. Also, based on my home experiments, paper, wood, and sand.
Mom Says I*m Handsome
Thank you, Kent, for the Feynman video.
Trollhattan, IIRC nickel is also magnetic — it sits in that middle zone of columns on the periodic table & shares some of the same properties of iron like ferromagnetism.
My question to these dipshit amateur magneto-enthusiasts: You were injected with one cc of goop, did that have enough iron/nickel/cobalt to turn your entire body into a literal pillar of steel?
Oy and vey.
Captain C
“Any questions?”
“Yeah, what the hell is wrong with you?”
Matt McIrvin
@trollhattan: There are a few other ferromagnetic elements–nickel, cobalt, some rare earths (useful for very strong magnets). But most metals aren’t, and, certainly, compounds of ferromagnetic elements are not necessarily ferromagnetic.
schrodingers_cat
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Algebra based physics (torture) is requirement for many biology and pre-med majors. Many usually postponed it till their senior year. Pre-meds are usually among the most obnoxious intro physics students. @MattMcIrvin can confirm.
Kent
There is a lot of recent research suggesting that women make better primary care doctors than men, and tend to have better outcomes.
What is the reason? Basically it is that they tend to listen better and tend to walk in with less pre-conceived notions about the patient.
Unfortunately these female doctors in the post above show that there are exceptions to that rule.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto: The kid was at Lakenheath.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Kent:
They’re the worst investors. Show me a doctor over 50, and he or she will have several real estate deals and small company investments that have gone tits up.
Matt McIrvin
@patrick Il: They claim that there are thousands of deaths caused by vaccines that a conspiracy is covering up. Some believe in secret chips in the vaccines. Some believe Alex Jones’ bullshit about how EVERYBODY who gets vaccinated is going to drop dead soon.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodingers_cat: It wasn’t at UCLA when I was there.
Martin
@band gap: Because we don’t teach scientific literacy, so they walk out better equipped to set up meth lab than to know how to acquire an understanding of a vaccine or climate change.
Matt McIrvin
@schrodingers_cat: yep. My understanding was that they needed that credit and to get into med school, they also needed an excellent grade, but they gave not a fig about the subject matter and you could tell. The result was more system-gaming, whining and special pleading than you can possibly imagine.
It was a calculus-based course and their grasp of calculus was usually kind of shaky, too.
Cameron
@JoyceH: Of course. He says it to the mirror every day.
Brachiator
Cool. I was thinking about part time jobs to bring in some extra cash. I can hire myself out as a compass.
eclare
@Martin: The drug dealers in The Wire were pretty savvy
Other MJS
Did no one offer to examine the witnesses with a compass?
Ruckus
Is it weird that Magnetic Boobs sounds like a band name?
Also, as others have said, a magnetic field strong enough to attract non magnetic metals would have to be far too strong for humans to survive, and still wouldn’t attract those metals.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@featheredsprite: Put another way, if the vaccine turned me into Magneto WHY CAN’T I DO ALL THE THINGS MAGNETO CAN DO?!?!?
schrodingers_cat
@?BillinGlendaleCA: My understanding is that they need physics for the MCATs hence the requirement. It was probably a later development after your one year as a pre-med
eclare
@Matt McIrvin: Because it’s in the drug companies’ interest to kill off all of their future customers. Yeah.
Cameron
Magnets? Is the Evil Dr. Fauci in league with Insane Clown Posse?
Steve in the ATL
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: you could not be more wrong. Crypto currencies reverse the magnetic polarity of the vaccine metals in the body, thereby guaranteeing hedge fund level returns on capital.
Baud
I’m not sure if I hope that random people start running toward and and getting stuck on to Dr. Tenpenny.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodingers_cat: That’s certainly possible, my experience was 40 years ago.
Baud
Also too, Dr. Tenpenny is the name of a James Bond character.
Catherine D.
Just picked up my first CSA share of the season!
Martin
@schrodingers_cat: I was employed to tutor those students, though most unis now require calculus based physics. 1 year calc, 1 year calc physics are pretty standard. Med schools generally don’t require it, but boy do they favor it. I was tutoring bio majors in calc physics. They did fine. Anxious, but pre-med and high strung seem to go like peanut butter and jelly.
The calc physics is normally less rigorous and a bit more applied than what the engineers/chemistry/physics majors take. Unis usually also segregate the bio students because they put it off which screws up enrollment strategies for the other students that need it for all of their prerequisites and need to get in usually when they have lowest priority. Two different sequences helps solve that problem. And the best way to piss off a physicist is to ask them to teach algebra physics, so pushing everyone into calc based is a good way to keep your faculty from an uprising.
Cameron
@Baud: I thought it was Moneypenny. But I’m almost 50 yrs away from that.
mrmoshpotato
An experiment* – HIT THESE FUCKERS IN THE FACE WITH GOOD OL’ CAST IRON PANS AND SOME ALUMINUM ONES FOR THE CONTROL!
Record your observations. Do either stick immediately?
*Yes, boils and ghouls, this! is! SCIENCE! And fuck these moronic, murderous assholes!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Magneto was the original Anti-Fa warrior. Lawless chaos? I can’t remember just now what all those categories are.
Matt McIrvin
@Martin: Right… there were THREE intro physics classes offered by the physics department: a non-calculus-based one for humanities majors, a more rigorous one for physics or physical-science students, and this in-between thing that was populated almost 100% by pre-meds, with a few pre-law types and others in there.
Old Man Shadow
Normally, in our natural environment, the stupid would be culled from the breeding population by tigers, wolves, or eating the red berries off of that plant the rest of the tribe called the Widowmaker.
Since we’ve insulated ourselves from the environment, the stupid have no natural predators any longer. We can only hope that a smarter breed of tiger evolves that blends in with it’s prey by walking on its hind legs and wearing a business suit and talking about synergy on its smartphone so balance can be restored to humanity.
dlwchico
Meanwhile….
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) asks whether the Forest Service or the BLM can alter the orbit of the moon or the Earth in order to fight climate change during a House Natural Resources hearing.
https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1402388019420741633
Yes, we are doomed.
schrodingers_cat
My SIL who is an MD pathologist is an absolute sucker for all kinds of conspiracy theories about COVID. Many highly trained people are good at their own specialization but lack sense otherwise.
mrmoshpotato
@mrmoshpotato: More yelling!
LOOK AT A CEREAL BOX! Even Aldi’s knock off Cinnamon Toast Crunch has iron in it!
Ok, I’m done.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Old Man Shadow: mmmmm….. Widowmaker pie……
JMG
My former primary care physician, who left the practice to become a big hospital administrator, was both an MD and an MBA. I really liked her, even after my first annual physical after turning 50, when she cheerfully announced. “50? Now we start to make the money back.”
trollhattan
Am reminded of the theory dogs face magnetic north while pooping. My data on this says “nope” but then, I’m not a nurse.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/dogs-poop-in-alignment-with-earths-magnetic-field-study-finds
A Streeter
@Matt McIrvin:
FWIW, US “nickel” coins had a little of the metal in them but not enough to respond to magnets (of the kind a kid could get hold of), but Canadian nickels definitely had enough to stick magnetically.
JML
I had some tool behind me at the grocery store today loudly proclaiming how nice it was we were no longer forced to wear masks any longer and how they hadn’t been wearing one for 6 months because it was stupid. (I was masked, one of the few in the store) I rolled my eyes out of my head and moved on, wondering how many of their elderly relative this fuckwad had killed in the last year.
mrmoshpotato
Oxy, meet Moron. If only that were an oxymoron.
Martin
@schrodingers_cat: Very little physics is on the MCAT. The baseline courses for med school are 1 year bio, 1 year english, 2 years chemistry through organic. That’s it. You don’t need a degree, technically. HS physics and a prep course would probably suffice for the MCAT.
That said, the above generally won’t get you far. I do know of one student that got into med school pre-degree (she was 18), but she had founded a few NGO non-profits and had 2 patents related to mechanisms to assist with public health issues. She was a pretty big outlier in almost every regard.
Most reputable med schools will require at least a year of math (calc + statistics), a year of physics (pref for calc based), biochemistry, two bio lab semesters, and genetics and cell bio, if that wasn’t part of the one year.
The better med schools are looking for students that aren’t afraid of the hard topics and courses that might hurt their GPA, because so much of pre-med thinking is about gaming the requirements to protect your GPA. Also, med schools prefer students that aren’t bio majors. They’re flooded with them. They like engineers, psychology majors, chemistry majors, increasingly even computer science. Med schools love engineers.
NotMax
Magnetic mammaries would repel one another and point out sideways, no?
“On the plus side, screw looking for moss on trees; I now automatically face north.”
//
John Cole
I feel deep sorrow for their husbands and kids.
JPL
I can explain it
(1) Muppets Phenomena – YouTube
Kent
Yep. My wife is one exception. But probably because she has no interest in investments and leaves it all to me. She basically checks in once a year or so to ask “can we retire yet?” and that is the sum of her engagement. If I left her to her own devices, some of her idiot co-workers would probably have sucked her into their schemes
Back when we lived in TX the common meme in the medical world was that they couldn’t take your house in a malpractice lawsuit. Which led a whole lot of doctors to put their earnings into GIANT McMansion spreads that became total white elephants when they wanted to sell because no one else could afford or want them. And those who could afford a multi-million dollar home in Central Texas wanted to build their own NEW home, not get someone’s old USED home.
Comrade Colette
@Ruckus:
I was just thinking that Magnetic Boobs could be the girl-group opening act for Magnetic Fields. And then they could all get together onstage for an encore of Andrew in Drag.
Brachiator
@Martin:
What is the practical point, if any, of taking a physics course if you are pre-med?
schrodingers_cat
@Brachiator: What do you think all the imaging techniques modern medicine uses are based on?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JML: you wonder if these people remember when trump got it, when it was revealed that he was almost put on a ventilator and it was much worse than reported in real time
my guess is they’ve forgotten the first, never knew the rest, cause Hannity and Pudge Carlson and Frau Ingram never reported it
Martin
@Matt McIrvin: We don’t even offer an algebra based one. Honestly, there’s not much point to it since calculus is conceptually so important to understanding physics that you just can’t do it service.
Instead, we’re trying to fill that space with scientific literacy. Humanities majors don’t need to understand physics, and if they do want to understand physics, let’s do it properly, but they do need to understand when they’re being bullshitted by antivaxxers, climate denialists, etc. Who do you listen to, how do you verify what they’re saying, how do you think critically about this stuff, how do you be a good skeptic, but not a conspiracy theorist.
NotMax
“Ms [X], this committee rules you are not the slightest bit attractive.”
//
Jim, Foolish Literalist
this message is encouraged my more than few Democrats and media “allies”
Matt McIrvin
@Martin: From what I saw of the non-calculus curricula, it always seemed like they spent a lot of their time trying to recapitulate calculus without saying it was calculus.
Major Major Major Major
Nahhhh!
Magnets are cool, tho.
misterpuff
Can you imagine what will happen when you put a vaccinated person into an NMR machine?
Oh Yeah, nothing.
Too bad the vaccine couldn’t fix stupid.
NotMax
@Brachiator
Preparation for knowing how to take corners in the Maserati they’ll be driving in late middle age.
//
Old School
Well, that explains why Mrs. School is repelled by me lately. We’re both vaxxed. I’m approaching her from the wrong pole!
Danielx
I read an article about Dr. Tenpenny’s testimony and was all “great, I can carry around my own flatware and will never lose my keys again!”.
So disappointed.
Also: magnetic boobs? Not news. Once knew a woman who referred to them as her opportunity knockers.
misterpuff
Or with the wrong pole.
I’ll leave now.
schrodingers_cat
So we (all the vaccinated people) are really attractive Polish people (magnetic Poles) now
//rehashed physics joke
We can has Polish citizenship?
Brachiator
@schrodingers_cat:
But wouldn’t this be a specialized area of training? And wouldn’t it require deeper training in physics, engineering, etc.?
I am also reminded of a dentist and a podiatrist who said they benefitted greatly from taking classes in pottery, metalwork and sculpture.
gene108
If the X-Men comics are correct, the iron in our blood can be manipulated by electro-magnetic forces by a powerful enough mutant, like Magneto.
QED: Dr. Tenpenny and the nurse have point.
P.S. Isn’t the fact we have iron and magnesium in our blood proof metals are already there? Couldn’t the vaccine metals just be masked by the metals in our blood, so we won’t even know it’s there?
debbie
I had not seen the “nurse’s” demo, so thanks for that comic relief. Unfortunately, she and the good Dr. Tenpenny were preaching to the converted. Our legislators are as kooky as kooky can be.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@dmsilev: no, it’s a miracle.
No One of Consequence
@Kent: ^THIS.
As a huge fan of Dr. Feynman.
Peace,
NOoC
Comrade Colette
@Kent: @trollhattan:
Can confirm. For example, my sister-in-law is an MD. Lovely lady and excellent pediatrician, but intellectually no more than average at best.
And for another example, my SIL’s father, who was an aerospace engineer at JPL for decades but who was otherwise well-placed to compete intellectually with a bag of hammers. We used to say that he was proof that you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be a rocket scientist.
NotMax
Mentioned beforehand a while back how to disable the news and weather widget running in the background included in the latest Windows update. A refresher:
• Right click on an empty area of the taskbar
• Move cursor to “News and Interests”
• Left click “Turn off” so that it has a checkmark
.
trollhattan
@Brachiator:
Don’t recall which med school it was but heard an interview with the dean (or whatever the med school equivalent) in charge of the surgery bit describing how he has the first-years operate all sorts of power and hand tools on various materials because they will literally be sawing, drilling and hammering on the human skeleton and he wanted them to have the physical experience before they so much as moved on to cadavers.
Seemed pretty smart. My kid hopes for med school and has only used saws and screwdrivers when young, so isn’t really there. Plenty of physics, bio, chemistry and calc, so good there evidently.
Another Scott
In other news, …
(I haven’t clicked the link.)
Even if the framing is somehow a distortion, the idea that billionaires feel the need to shelter their investments from any public scrutiny is a giant red flag. The rich have too much money, and as a consequence, too much power. It’s dangerous.
Cheers,
Scott.
Martin
@Brachiator: There’s a few. Imaging as schrodingers_cat notes. Also understanding of forces, fluid mechanics (blood flow, etc). But physics does two arguably more important things:
So, just to clarify something – med schools aren’t overly concerned about finding students to go on to be GPs. GPs don’t really lean on much outside of the standard practice. But med schools are also responsible for creating Dr Faucis who have an entirely different charge. Most breakthrough medications and devices and treatments at least have physicians involved, and all of those physicians need to know how to do clinical trials, and so on and so forth. Many have dual degrees, but the physicians that are pulling the discipline forward are the ones that can see something new, and work backward through the basics, how to observe it, image it, test it, treat it. And that all requires departing from standard practice. And the better the medical school, the more focused they are on creating Dr Faucis.
trollhattan
@Comrade Colette:
A statement I can truly gaze at and admire.
Mart
When the ACA legislation was being hashed around by President Lieberman, I was shocked at the number of doctors I spoke to that were right wing loons. Not just on evil Government run healthcare, but all the Fox talking points.
JML
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I do live in a red county in a purple state. But I suspect they never heard that Der Leader ever got it, and even if he did it’s just like the flu and can be cured with bleach and sunlight. (which would explain the run on bleach in the area)
Martin
@Another Scott: Yeah, don’t disagree.
That said, any investment advisor worth their salt will tell you to buy farms. They’re basically free money. You get a tenant to work the farm, you get anywhere from 25%-50% of their proceeds, and if they have a bad year, you get the government subsidies and pocket them. And all this time, the land will almost certainly appreciate in value ahead of that.
McDonalds corporate is basically a real-estate company. They figure out a good location, buy the land, rent the IP to a franchisee to run the store the way corporate wants *and* collects the rent on the space. And if they do a good job, the land will appreciate in value as well.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: I love it, can see the weather right on the taskbar.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Matt McIrvin: I took the physics for non-science majors, AND the chemistry for same. In my defense that was before I aced Calc 1 and 2 en route to an economics major. I did then take 4 legit bio classes (101, 102, a research methods course and ecology) because I thought that since my emphasis was environmental economics it might be helpful to know something about organisms and ecology.
If I had it to do all over again I think I would have gone hard science rather than pseudo science, which is what economics was at the time and still kind of is.
MomSense
@misterpuff:
Ha!
trollhattan
Praise Jesus!
Jessica Chastain stars in the new Tammy Faye Baker biopic.
Cameron
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Will Bunch – one of the reasons I still miss PA.
Kent
Back then a lot of them were running independent practices which basically made them small businessmen. Since then there has been so much consolidation in healthcare that fewer and fewer doctors own and run their own practices. But that is why so many doctors were Republican dicks who acted more the owners of a car dealership than other people in social service jobs like teachers or social workers or nurses. Essentially they are/were small businessmen.
The AMA is basically the Republican wing of the health care industry that feeds doctors constant propaganda about these things. If you are a doctor you get as many constant unsolicited mailings from the AMA as you do from say the AARP after you turn 50. Our recycling bin is always full of junk mail from the AMA, even though my wife has never sent them a thing or given them a dime.
Kent
@Another Scott: It isn’t just the Gates buying up farmland. There are vast foreign companies and foreign sovereign wealth funds doing the same thing. Big parts of the west are being bought up by investors from places like Saudi Arabia and Russia.
Cameron
So it’s open thread….can somebody explain this to me? ‘Cause it sounds like the good reverend would be in Narnia if he were any further in the closet:
https://boingboing.net/2021/06/08/watch-confused-pastor-gives-homophobic-sermon-with-one-very-odd-line-heroes-have-calloused-knees.html
Benw
These morons. They’ve been turned into Magneto and the best they can do is stick keys to their boobs?
They don’t deserve to get bitten by a radioactive ferret
JPL
@trollhattan: The trailer is amazing, and if the local theaters still allow you to buy seats near you at a discount, maybe I’ll go to the movies to see it.
Kent
@Benw: I actually went and watched the video clip above from the idiot doctor talking about magnetism.
She wasn’t even talking about the vaccine causing breakouts of magnetism on people getting vaccinated. She took it a step further and was talking about non-vaccinated people somehow “catching” the magnetism due to being in proximity to folks who have been vaccinated.
Just when you thought they were stupid beyond belief, they take it even a step further past what you thought was the previous limit on stupid.
mrmoshpotato
@Benw:
What about a Sumatran rat monkey that turns them into zombies?
mrmoshpotato
@Kent:
Whoooo boy! ?♂️?♂️?♂️?♂️
Baud
@Kent:
And they don’t know who’s vaccinated because they’ve banned vaccines passports.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Spanky
Before I read the thread, I just want to present further evidence of out doom.
(Sadly, I don’t think the sirens were coming for her.)
Sorry if this was already linked upstream.
Baud
Test
Jeffro
@trollhattan:
Isn’t this how Magneto learned (later in his ‘career’, natch) to knock out the X-Men? ;)
Kent
@mrmoshpotato: Yep, and there was something in there about 5G as well. Honestly its like these people are speaking in tongues. It is that gibberish.
Cameron
Here’s a little something if you’d like something to get your evening right:
https://youtu.be/f-e8xSbTDpM
Matt McIrvin
@misterpuff: I actually forgot to ask anyone whether I can have an MRI now that I have a bunch of metal in my knee (I had one that led to GETTING the metal in my knee).
The answer seems to be yes, they use non-ferrous metals and it’s not a huge deal.
eclare
@mrmoshpotato: If that keeps non-vaxxed away from me, I’m fine with it.
Delk
@schrodingers_cat: ha! I spent the quarantine learning Polish. Plus my doctor speaks Polish natively so I get to practice with him.
karen marie
@Steve in the ATL: Anything in there about the watermelons?
Jeffro
@mrmoshpotato:
Hope you don’t mind if I borrow this idea for an ‘experiment’ and send it far and wide, LOL
eclare
@schrodingers_cat: How are you doing?
Kent
@trollhattan: It’s not just iron. There are other ferromagnetic metals like nickel, cobalt, some rare earth metals, and most of their alloys.
But yes, our bodies are affected by magnetic forces. That is how MRI imaging works: https://www.nibib.nih.gov/science-education/science-topics/magnetic-resonance-imaging-mri
eclare
@Kent: The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
Jeffro
@JML: “forced”
oh, okay… (eyeroll x a gazillion)
Jeffro
@eclare: there a Thor (comic) quote to that effect…”Heroes have an infinite capacity for stupidity”
Also apparently Republicans have this capacity
VeniceRiley
My fiance works near that base where Joe landed. The least he could do is give me a ride over.
eclare
@Jeffro: My first boss out of college had that as his Screensaver. Pretty intimidating. But a good boss.
Steve in the ATL
@VeniceRiley: now we know how Biden failed you today. How about everyone else? I still don’t have a unicorn and my state is under 40% vaccinated.
Brachiator
@Martin:
Great points. Specialization within specialization.
But I have run across a few doctors who cannot adequately analyze the results of a clinical trial, and probably could not conduct one, but who are I suppose good doctors, at least up to a point.
Sure Lurkalot
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I had a long career in commercial real estate. We called their failed but easily attainable assets “doctor dentist deals” and due diligence resulted in much eye rolling.
catclub
@Brachiator:
weeding out the pre-meds who cannot pass a physics course?
Benw
@mrmoshpotato: I do NOT wanna deal with a zombie apocalypse
burnspbesq
@Kent:
Dentists are even worse. You wouldn’t believe some of the bullshit tax shelters they bought into in the 1970s and ‘80s. Many of them bought into the “sovereign citizen” bullshit as well.
Minimum security Federal prisons are great places to get cheap dental care.
schrodingers_cat
@eclare: Not good. Thanks for asking. I miss Boss Cat.
When we had just moved to NY from MD. Our stuff was still not with us yet.
Lolcatus of the Borg
StringOnAStick
@Martin: The wizard who replaced my knees had his first degree in mechanical engineering. Given what he does and the things he works with, it makes sense.
Ruckus
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
My memory as well but then it’s been almost 50 years for me.
Brachiator
@trollhattan:
Since he has to do so much with drills, screws, bits and stuff and has to make sure that crowns and other devices fit well, I once asked my dentist if he hangs around hardware stores. He laughed, but noted that he did understand the similarities with respect to the craftsmanship of dentistry.
JPL
@Steve in the ATL: Kemp might assume that the Delta variant is a good thing.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Vaccine Marshall Plan
This is a big fucking deal
VeniceRiley
@Steve in the ATL: IDK Steve. I can’t even get keys to stick to my tits.
Ruckus
@Comrade Colette:
There is some weird shit in your head, I know because it sounds a lot like the weird shit in my head….
Kay
I hadn’t heard this one. The one I hear constantly is the vaccine makes people infertile.
I don’t argue with any of them anymore. I don’t care if they get the shot. I gave up. We made it available to just about everyone and it’s free and that’s all we can do.
In better news my son and daughter in law are visiting from Denmark and they were able to get the J and J in Chicago easily, so they’re happy and I’m grateful. They needed a 1 dose because they won’t be here for 2. Denmark has an elaborate testing system now, where they have to be tested and then show they’ve had recent negative result or have been vaccinated. They’re tired of being tested constantly and the vaccine roll out in Denmark has been really bad- they couldn’t get a shot- so now they’ll register the US vacc with the Danes and get the vaccine pass.
brantl
@ribber: Most house keys are steel, not brass. Small padlock keys are often brass, but I bet even half of those are steel, as well.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
Helps explain how some things work and it shows that you have some ability to think and memorize.
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat:
So sorry — I was thinking of you.
debbie
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
Who will be the first to complain that this is a waste of taxpayer dollars? ?
Procopius
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: For some years I have thought that the rich have simply stolen so much that they don’t know what to do with it all. Because they still want more, they are easily fooled by used car salesmen (Elon Musk) and grifters. The billions they “lose” aren’t really lost, just moved to people who will probably waste them on wine, women, and song, which is a better use than the original holders were making of them. Just look at the board of directors of Theranos.
UncleEbeneezer
Kent
I just tested all of the keys on my keyring with a magnet. None of them appear to be magnetic, although the tiny key-ring Leatherman tool that I also have on my keys most definitely is, as is the key ring itself.
eclare
@schrodingers_cat: Oh I love that photo! Laser eyes!
Shakti
As I’ve said elsewhere “Dr” Sherri Tenpenny is a charlatan who pushes disinformation for a pretty penny and sucked up 72K from the Paycheck Protection Program from her business. She keeps saying vaccines cause autism and this pandemic is a new lease on life for her shitty grift.
It’s ON SIGHT if I see her.
Kay
I’m really pleased they’re doing this. I confess it’s partly because so many Americans have been incredibly fucking whiny about each and every small inconvenience they have had to “suffer” in this pandemic and I frankly don’t think they’ve been grateful enough about the ease of getting the vaccine here.
So give it to people who will be normal and reasonable about it, and happy to get it. Let’s go. These idiots can continue to discuss whether keys stick to their foreheads and we can save some other people.
eclare
@Brachiator: I was shocked when my dentist basically used pliers to pull out a tooth. From now on I will pay whatever out of pocket to be asleep for that.
Baud
@Kay:
Agreed.
zhena gogolia
@Kay:
Right.
I was in the ophthalmalogist the other day, and a woman in her 70s or so said while we were waiting, “I’m so sick of these damn masks.” It was on the tip of my tongue to say, “It’s better than being dead,” but I channelled my nice husband and didn’t say anything. What babies!
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: When I was having a fractured hip repaired, I was given the option of having that done under spinal anesthesia. I said NFW – I knew it was basically carpentry and I had no desire to listen to it, so I took the general.
eclare
@Kay: Yay!
Spanky
@VeniceRiley:
Try duct tape. Besides all the other reasons, keys are brass.
eclare
@Gin & Tonic: Yeah, having the tooth pulled was not painful. It was dead. You do not want to be awake for the experience.
Steve in the ATL
@VeniceRiley: rotating tag line?
RaflW
Meanwhile, GOP voter suppression plus SOS negation legislation is passing, so that the Republicans can triangulate a soft coup in ’24.
The raving kooks are part of the effort to get us all looking the wrong directions.
Jeffro
@eclare: he had the comic book splash page w/ the quote?
That’s awesome!
eclare
@Jeffro: No, the “The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits” quote. My managers were *not* into comics. A different era.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: Thanks. Also for the wonderful comments you left yesterday.
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
@eclare: Many years ago when I was in middle school I had a book on Murphy’s Law and it’s corollaries. At the time I thought it was hilarious and the corollary I liked the best was: it’s impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious. Your limitless stupidity is obviously a variation on the same theme.
Kay
@zhena gogolia:
I can stand “I’m sick of the masks”, which could kind of be shared sacrifice, we’re all in this together and honestly so many people just want to talk to someone that might have been all she could come up with.
I can’t stand turning it into a civil rights issue. Jesus Christ. I told you my husband and son took a trip to Mexico the moment they were permitted to leave. Seven oclock in the morning the Mexicans were lining up with their folding chairs to wait 8 hours and maybe get a shot. REALLY long lines.
Meanwhile back in Ohio the Republicans I’m paying in the statehouse spent an entire workday listening to these grifting morons testify.
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat: I am sympathizing very hard!
polyorchnid octopunch
@trollhattan: Late to the party, but… this is because all our professional schools (law, medical, etc, plus wannabes like commerce) are all number one at teaching the most important skill of all for a professional looking to make money: arrogance.
zhena gogolia
@Kay:
Her tone was more, “I just can’t understand why they’re making us wear these ridiculous masks.” But I guess I should be more charitable!
schrodingers_cat
@eclare:
Bosscat was quite the jumper until he was about 15. We would find him sleeping on top of the kitchen cabinets. I had no idea how he got there. Top shelves of closets were not safe either.
eclare
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: I read a book years ago, fiction, about a lumber mill in FL. You always wanted a lazy guy on your team because he would figure out how to get the job done more quickly.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@catclub: Nah, that’s what O-Chem is for.
Omnes Omnibus
@polyorchnid octopunch: As a law school grad, I take issue with that. No one with whom I went to school needed to be taught.
sdhays
Why aren’t her fingers “magnetic”?
Kay
Amazing story. Two retired NYC police officers are harassed by a drunk. One cop pulls a gun on drunk, but mistakenly shoots other office and kills him. Initial media reports are “officer killed with his own gun” (no mention that other cop killed him) but are later corrected to “killed with other officer’s gun” (still no mention that officer killed officer with officer gun)
They have now arrested the drunk for manslaughter. But you knew the ending.
eclare
@schrodingers_cat: I can see from his photos why he was Boss cat. I am just so sorry. I and my two furbabies are thinking of you.
Michael Cain
@dlwchico: When I worked for my western state’s legislature, word was that the unofficial motto over at the Western Governors Association was, “Do you know what those d*ckheads at BLM have done now?” Rep. Gohmert’s question expands the scope of outlandish things one might guess for the answer to the question. But yes, we’re probably doomed.
Until then, here we’re having both haze caused by the smoke from the fires in New Mexico and Arizona, as well as closing the river through downtown because the runoff from snow melt is high enough to be dangerous for tubing and kayaking.
cain
@Kent:
I find it hilarious that we are getting reverse-colonialism going on by our adversaries. All aided and abetted by our finance class.
ETA: OMG! #200 – I know I said #100 was amazing.. but #200??! WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!! This one is for all of you who drink?- also fuck our adversaries.
Another Scott
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?:
Obligatory (repost) – Devs watching QA test the product (1:00).
Cheers,
Scott.
craigie
This has always been true.
LeftCoastYankee
It’s almost like the last few generations increasingly attending college just made people think they are smarter, and didn’t change much else.
I’m very stuck on the fact of medical personnel whose understanding of magnets is on par with the Insane Clown Posse. Oy….
karen marie
We’re 18 months into the COVID pandemic, and that made me wonder how long the 1981 flu pandemic lasted. “The first peak is observed during October and November of 1918 and the second peak is seen between February and March of 1919.” But the article (and every other article I’ve seen – not many, admittedly) is a bit loose as to the timeline because it also reports that no deaths were reported in Seattle in March 1919, and that’s where the timeline ends.
Anybody know why the COVID virus is more difficult to eradicate than the 1919 flu?
Steve in the ATL
@karen marie: planes, trains, and automobiles?
And also the modern Republican Party and Fox News.
NotMax
Does the vaccine allow people to bend Uri Geller?
//
craigie
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Or you can look out the window.
NotMax
@karen marie
For starters, one is of the SARS family of viruses and the other is not.
NotMax
@craigie
Thank you mucho for that.
If I want something running and eating resources on my computer in real time, I’ll choose to enable that for the period of use required, as opposed to having something foisted on me which is in constant operation sniffing the web.
PaulWartenberg
Betty, I quoted you on this in my blog tonight, hope you don’t mind.
By the by, as a librarian I looked up this “nanoparticles” thing the anti-vaxxers are screaming about. It’s Lipid nanoparticles: Lipids are fatty oils, nothing metallic in them. They’re being goddamned paranoids.
Matt McIrvin
@Matt McIrvin: …though apparently an alloy they use in knees a lot is chromium-cobalt, but the alloy isn’t ferromagnetic I guess (like stainless steel isn’t).
Ksmiami
@karen marie: because modern travel just didn’t move as fast. Really the thing that promulgated the 1919 pandemic was ww1 and the movement of troops. Additionally, it was a more virulent epidemic and those tend to be deadlier but burn out quicker…
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: Hell, I’m sick of the masks, I think we all are–and since I’m vaccinated now, the additional benefit they provide is probably kind of marginal. But other people don’t know I’m vaccinated and I’m willing to wear the masks if the situation requires it.
Matt McIrvin
@karen marie: I got the impression the 1918 flu stuck around longer, worldwide.
My biological great-grandmother died of flu (and I think my great-grandfather was pretty debilitated by it) in South Dakota in 1921, leading to my grandfather’s adoption. I always wondered if that was the same flu or a different one entirely.
boatboy_srq
Late to this, I know, but I can’t help visualizing a Plasmatics cover of Elton John:
Ruckus
@PaulWartenberg:
They’re being fucking goddamned moronic paranoids.
FIXITFY.
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: Sorry, but “most men find boobies to be magnetic” wins the thread. I’m surprised anyone even bothered to comment after that!
Though it has been a great thread.
Ruckus
@karen marie:
There are far more people so it has a high spreading possibility. We also travel a lot more so if there is a high infection area early on the disease gets spread a lot farther a lot faster.
My grandparents left Kansas City in 1918 in a horse drawn wagon and moved to Los Angeles with their one year old son. Not everyone would do that sort of trip on a whim. I’ve driven from South Carolina to LA in 2 1/2 days, in that wagon the trip would likely take weeks
Bill Arnold
@Leto:
Re Navalny, short piece worth a read for those not already familiar with the subject:
Putin’s Imperial Palaces Are a Manchild’s Dream – The Russian leader isn’t the macho genius of Western fantasy. (Konstantin McKenna, June 1, 2021, foreignpolicy.com)
Mr. V. Putin is extremely bothered by these stories, and by Navalny.
J R in WV
@eclare:
I had my wisdom teeth removed in the Navy. One side at a time, first time he wrapped a sterile towel around my head so I couldn’t see the tools coming at me.
Crunching and crushing the tooth, prying the chunks of teeth out, bloody spit, etc. But I didn’t feel any pain, he had really shot me up with local anesthetic.
Second set of teeth on the other side, he didn’t bother with the towel, I didn’t react badly to the first procedure. It was interesting to see the chisel, pry-bar, pliers coming into my mouth, but it didn’t hurt, so I didn’t care.
Was not the worst part of my military service by far.
Dan B
@Cameron: That leaped out at me too but my knee calluses are from many decades of gardening not from the whoopee that kne calluses might imply.
Then again if he’s focused on the machoes of manly macho manhood he should probably dig into his subconscious.
Then again the number of people who identify as “not straight” keeps climbing. In the 70’s it was 2 – 3 %. Last I saw was more than 8 %. Sexuality is complex and organizing society around repressing it or fitting it into tight boxes is going to produce some wicked out effects.
Dan B
@Baud: Good point.
What’s going to happen to the market for folks who have been stealing of counterfeiting vaccine cards? Talk about volatile market fluctuations!
Mel
@Matt McIrvin: My grt grandma was a rural nurse/midwife during the Spanish Flu epidemic. She described the first wave as “a living hell”: women dying of flu during childbirth, and the babies dying shortly thereafter, people dropping dead in the fields, 20 healthy young people going to a barn dance and 14 of them being dead a week later, entire families being found deceased in their homes, bodies being gathered on horse drawn wagons and stored in sheds until they could be buried, etc. She was used to seeing death from farm accidents, TB, childhood illnesses, etc., but she never really got over the horror of what she saw happening to her friends and neighbors during the Flu pandemic.
The doctor for whom she worked contracted the flu and died during the peak of the first wave, leaving my grt grandma and a farm vet as the only medical personnel in the area. She left her children and her husband at her parents’ farm, and ordered them not to leave. She and her uncle and the town vet and the local mortician did what they could, but during the worst of it what they were able to do largely came down to just trying to comfort the dying and keep up with removing and burying the dead, and trying to convince family members to burn the deceased’s bedsheets and contaminated belongings and to stay at home and away from friends and neighbors.
She recalled anti-mask signs that nutjobs were posting on city streetcars and on buildings, so the “freedumb from masks” lunacy isn’t new or unique to this pandemic.
For what it’s worth, she felt like the flu only died down after such a high percentage of young otherwise healthy people died so quickly. She said that the shock of losing healthy children and grandchildren frightened a lot of older people into covering their faces with bandanas, and staying home as much as possible. So many small town stores were closed due to the proprietors dying or having illness in the family that there weren’t as many spots for those who did shun the public health orders to congregate in, so less social spread there. She was convinced that the rural isolation was the reason that the flu burnt out a bit faster there than in the nearest large cities, so yeah – less travel / less mass exposure/ less spread applied then and now.
brantl
The “explanation” is that she’s got a balcony that you could do Shakespeare from.
gbbalto
@J R in WV: Ha, ha – They pumped me full of Demerol before taking out all four. I was so happy! They could have pulled all my teeth and I would have just sat there smiling.