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You are here: Home / Right to Vote / Voter Suppression / Merrick Garland Remarks on Voting Rights

Merrick Garland Remarks on Voting Rights

by WaterGirl|  June 11, 20214:15 pm| 178 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Voter Suppression, Voting Rights

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    June 11, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    Doubling the number of staff is a very good start.
    I didn’t think that they hired Ms. Gupta and Ms. Clarke in order to maintain the status quo.

  2. 2.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:19 pm

    Merrick is aspirational when he speaks, in the way that Barack Obama was.  Praise people for being the people you want them to be, rather than the people they might be in this moment.

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:19 pm

    @rikyrah: So glad Kristen Clarke is in that position!

  4. 4.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 4:23 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Exactly.

  5. 5.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 11, 2021 at 4:24 pm

    Open thread, right? What isn’t!

    Just got word that my office will be soft-reopening on 7/12 for the vaccinated. Super excited to get out of the house a couple days a week!!

  6. 6.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: If you’re happy about that, I’m happy about that!

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    June 11, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Couple of days a week isn’t bad.

  8. 8.

    Old School

    June 11, 2021 at 4:28 pm

    I think the world would be a much better place if Garland was on the Supreme Court.

  9. 9.

    rikyrah

    June 11, 2021 at 4:29 pm

    I have been re-watching episodes of Monk. I love this show.

    The irony of all of us becoming Monk in 2020 is not lost on me :)

  10. 10.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 11, 2021 at 4:32 pm

    @rikyrah: It’ll be open five days a week but I only like to go in two or three. Most of the team is on the west coast so we were already very remote-friendly before the pandemic.
    @rikyrah: Ha! I’m actually almost done with Monk (for the first time). It’s fun, though the “point and laugh at the disable man” slapstick bits can run a bit long. I’ll need a new cozy procedural soon… Murder, She Wrote perhaps.​

    @WaterGirl: ​:)

    Two mRNA doses for me so it’s not like I’ll ever be more immune. Time to get on with life.

  11. 11.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 4:32 pm

    @Old School:  That world doesn’t exist.

  12. 12.

    West of the Rockies

    June 11, 2021 at 4:32 pm

    Garland’s effort is a good one.  Almost everyday Biden is reversing some stupid Trump thing or another.  It is good and gratifying.  Everyday Trump is just a little more erasesd and diminished.  I hope it hurts and humiliates him and all his helpers and followers.

  13. 13.

    West of the Rockies

    June 11, 2021 at 4:33 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Have you given the Murdock

    Mysteries a go?

  14. 14.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 4:35 pm

    Apropos of the earlier thread.

    DOJ internal watchdog to investigate Trump-era leak hunt targeting lawmakers, journalists

    House Intel Chairman Schiff, one of the lawmakers targeted, has been unable to get Biden administration officials to provide details, a source said.

  15. 15.

    Arm The Homeless

    June 11, 2021 at 4:36 pm

    Floriduh Man, Gov. Ricky-Bobby’s new social media expropriation law is not doing well on its first contact with the courts

    Judicial Throat Punch

  16. 16.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:38 pm

    @Baud: I am glad to see that.

  17. 17.

    CaseyL

    June 11, 2021 at 4:39 pm

    I watched it, very anxiously because Garland has been very cautious with anything other than the insurrection.

    And then I was happy, because it looks like DoJ will be going after voter suppression as hard as it’s going after the insurrectionists.

    I *get* the concern about DoJ not stomping all over Trump-era bullshit as high priority. I just disagree: the insurrection (and its enablers) and voting rights are Job(s) No. 1. Because if those fail, nothing else matters.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: I seem to have missed the news of a social media law in Florida.  There is so much shit going down in FL that sometimes I just skip over FL stories because it’s overwhelming.

    Wonder if you might be so kind as to summarize the law in a sentence or two?

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:43 pm

    @CaseyL: I was trying to watch it, but the audio kept falling out, and then it stopped completely.  I closed my browser, now I will try again.

    edit: okay, I have audio again.  looks like he is getting to the meat of his remarks now.

  20. 20.

    Another Scott

    June 11, 2021 at 4:43 pm

    Thanks for the link.

    For those scared by the 45 minute time, he walks to the lectern at ~ 21:40.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    June 11, 2021 at 4:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I totally rediscovered Murder, She Wrote too :)

    Midsomer Murders

    Inspector Lewis

    Miss Scarlet and the Duke

    Frankie Drake

    Death in Paradise

    Father Brown

  22. 22.

    wvng

    June 11, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Sounds like Garland will do what can be done by DOJ under current law, and will staff the effort as needed. We clearly also need congressional action.

  23. 23.

    Old School

    June 11, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    @rikyrah:

    If you didn’t see it, Tony Shalhoub made a Monk in Quarantine sketch last year.

  24. 24.

    Tony Jay

    June 11, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    You don’t need to have watched it to have any opinion!

    What a relief! I’ve been watching Italy school Turkey in the opening game of Euro 2020 2021.

    In that case I think Garland did a damned fine job laying down markers for the kind of DOJ he’s going to mould over the next few years, and the part where he laid out the main areas in which its resources are going to be deployed should send shiver down the spines of far-Right conspirators at home and abroad. Some people will bemoan the lack of a timetable for the arrest/trial/execution of Trump Administration figures, and I can understand that, but surely his promise to release all of Bill Barr’s secret archives over the next few months should stave off any accusations of business as usual?

    I think that about covers it. Probably.

  25. 25.

    Arm The Homeless

    June 11, 2021 at 4:47 pm

    @WaterGirl: Social Media companies–except those that own theme parks (wink, wink)–cannot ban state-wide politicians on their platforms. Citizens may initiate actions against the companies and fines can be as high as $250,000 per violation.

    It’s basically a law to punish Twitter and Facebook for banning Trump from their platforms.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 4:48 pm

    WaPo article for those who prefer to read.

    Garland announces expansion of Justice Department’s voting rights unit, vowing to scrutinize GOP-backed voting restrictions and ballot reviews

  27. 27.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 11, 2021 at 4:48 pm

    @West of the Rockies: Hadn’t heard of that!

    @rikyrah: Oh thanks!

  28. 28.

    trollhattan

    June 11, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    He’s a monster!

    Watch a video, what am I, a fundy preschooler?

    Speaking of schools, first lady Dr. Jill, everybody! So nice to see her out representing us. What a huge change.

  29. 29.

    Just One More Canuck

    June 11, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    @West of the Rockies: he’ll certainly have lots of watching – CBC just renewed it for season 15 – lots of stuntcasting too

  30. 30.

    Martin

    June 11, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    Ok, I’m still at a loss for why DOJ is extending Trump protections for defamation, but I’m feeling a bit better that the voting issues were just a delay for Gupta/Clarke to get in and take point.

  31. 31.

    Another Scott

    June 11, 2021 at 4:52 pm

    This is a great speech. I had no idea the DoJ was created by Grant (in large part) to enforce voting rights and the Reconstruction amendments to the Constitution.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  32. 32.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 11, 2021 at 4:53 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I would love to bingewatch Monk after all these years. Loved the character, loved the show. Is there a particular streaming service/site you’re using?

  33. 33.

    Just One More Canuck

    June 11, 2021 at 4:54 pm

    @Tony Jay: Italy was good (game just ended) but Turkey was awful.  They seemed to like watching the ball go by them before they moved

  34. 34.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 11, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I met my co-workers in person for the first time in something like 7 or 8 months and had a shwarma roll-up from Falafel King. Shwarma seems like the appropriate meal when you get the super-team together.

  35. 35.

    JoyceH

    June 11, 2021 at 4:56 pm

    So to recap – the DOJ Civil Rights Division is going to be doubled within a month and will take on not only state voter suppression laws, but also weird sketchy partisan “audits” and terroristic threats against election workers. Sounds to me like they’re determined not to allow 2022 to be stolen if they can help it. Good. It’s not just Marc Elias anymore.

  36. 36.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    “The Department of Justice will never stop working to protect the democracy  to which all Americans are entitled.”

  37. 37.

    trollhattan

    June 11, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    Looking for a downside here.

    “The Republican National Committee would consider circumventing major television networks if the presidential debate process is not overhauled,” Politico reports.

  38. 38.

    Steeplejack

    June 11, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I liked the garbage strike. Monk got so addled that he was proposing that they burn down the city and rebuild. “It would have that ‘new city’ smell!”

    Then Stottlemeyer put him in a laboratory clean room. Genius!

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: Thank you!

  40. 40.

    zhena gogolia

    June 11, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    @rikyrah:

    It’s a brilliant show.

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    @Tony Jay: Your opening remarks were spot on, and then fell off a bit, in terms of accuracy, at the end.

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    June 11, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    @Another Scott:

    One wonders had we gone straight from Lincoln to Grant w/o that other Johnson, whether Reconstruction might have had a chance.

  43. 43.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Debates have become useless.  Let them run away.

  44. 44.

    zhena gogolia

    June 11, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    @CaseyL:

    Right.

  45. 45.

    Another Scott

    June 11, 2021 at 5:05 pm

    @JoyceH: +1

    I liked that he referred to litigation from the 1960s, the 1870s anti-KKK laws, etc.  His DoJ isn’t going to sit back and cry Woe Is Me and do nothing because of Shelby County.  He’s going to use every tool he has to protect the vote for everyone.

    Excellent.

    To be clear, we need new national rules and standards, and to revisit Shelby County and Citizens United and all the rest.  But there’s much that can and needs to be done now.

    Everyone who cares about the vote should hear or read that speech (ideally from a video feed that does buffer several times).

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  46. 46.

    dc

    June 11, 2021 at 5:05 pm

    @Another Scott: So it was a failure right out of the gate.

  47. 47.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    I just finished the last season of Suits a few days ago, and I cannot get this song out of my head.  For some reason, I want to play it at full volume.

    in one of the final episodes someone asks Mike what Rachel (Meghan Markle) is up to, and he says something like “You wouldn’t believe me if I told you what she’s doing.”  Funny.

  48. 48.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    The history lesson was good and addressing Shelby County was good.

    I would have liked a mention of the DOJ and Inspector General’s shortcomings in the 2006 US Attorneys firing scandal (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy) as that was a case where evidence showed corruption if the DOJ to interfere with voting rights followed by institutional non-accountability.

    I think the latter is extremely relevant to this moment.

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    June 11, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    @Old School:

    I didn’t see that.

    Thanks :)

  50. 50.

    raven

    June 11, 2021 at 5:08 pm

    We’re home, it was a nice trip and good for healing. We had a nail in a tire on our way and, luckily, were somewhere we could get a new tire within an hour. Coming back we hit a deer and, luckily, it only did cosmetic damage to the car. Lucky huh?

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:08 pm

    @Baud:

    Debates have become useless.

    Truer words were never spoken.  At least the presidential ones, for sure.  Even the democratic primary debates were awful.

  52. 52.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    @elm: How else has Garland failed you today?  Did he burn your grilled cheese sandwich?

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:10 pm

    @Martin:

    Ok, I’m still at a loss for why DOJ is extending Trump protections for defamation

    Because they don’t want Biden and other future presidents to be hauled into court every 45 minutes on every bullshit accusation.

  54. 54.

    NotMax

    June 11, 2021 at 5:10 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    Games on.

    ;)

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    @Another Scott: Scott, if you found a better version of the video I can replace this one.  (depending on the source, some sources are easier to embed than others)

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    @Martin: Because the law requires it.

  57. 57.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:12 pm

    @WaterGirl:  After a federal judge has ruled against them, it’s hard to see their obligation to appeal indefinitely.

  58. 58.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 11, 2021 at 5:12 pm

    @trollhattan: I’m not seeing one either.

  59. 59.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    @raven: Holy shit. Glad it was a good trip and that you guys are home safe.

    Getting back to the house was hard, no doubt.  But at least you had a break from the day to day reality.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What kind of cheese do you use for grilled cheese?  :-)

  61. 61.

    Another Scott

    June 11, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    @raven: Yikes!

    Glad the damage was minor!

    I was driving in NC on some deserted US route just outside some town one afternoon on a sunny weekend day when I reached over to adjust the radio on a broad sweeping curve and looked up just in time to see a panicked doe running to get out of my way.  My peripheral vision/instinct seemed to be working properly because I turned the correct way to miss her just in time without really knowing what I was doing.

    We both got quite a scare.

    One never knows when those beasties will be about!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  62. 62.

    James E Powell

    June 11, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    Never mind, this is balloon juice.  You don’t need to have watched it to have any opinion!

    Are you suggesting that twitter is not the best source?

  63. 63.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    @rikyrah:

    It’s such a funny show.  My son and I have been rewatching it as well.  We noticed the same thing – we are all monk now.

  64. 64.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 11, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Garland has had a whole 3 months in office(as of today) and he hasn’t fixed the light pollution here in Los Angeles so I have to drive 3 hours to shoot my Milky Way pictures.  I’m pre-disappointed!

    //

  65. 65.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 11, 2021 at 5:17 pm

    @elm:

    I would have liked a mention of the DOJ and Inspector General’s shortcomings in the 2006 US Attorneys firing scandal

    What about Cap Weinberger? I suppose you’re just ready to sweep that under the rug

  66. 66.

    TriassicSands

    June 11, 2021 at 5:17 pm

    Will anyone be surprised if DOJ efforts are frustrated by the SCOTUS. Roberts, whose vote is no longer critical, has routinely come down on the side of Republican electoral advantage. His opinion gutting the Voting Rights Act was laughable in its disingenuousness, though dishonesty might be a more accurate characterization.

    Switch to partisan gerrymandering and Roberts claimed the Court couldn’t get involved, which of course, gave the Republicans the freedom to do whatever they want to do. Now, however, there are five votes without Roberts, the so-called moderate. After all we’ve seen red states do in the intervening years, would Roberts publicly repeat, in 2021, what he said in Shelby County v. Holder?  

    I wonder, will Barrett ever cast a vote or write an opinion that surprises us (in a good way)?

  67. 67.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    @WaterGirl: It depends.  I mean, Kraft Singles, white bread, and Campbell’s Cream of Tomato soup has its place in the canon, but so do fancier things.

  68. 68.

    Steeplejack

    June 11, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Cozy procedural: Pie in the Sky. Stream on Acorn.

    Cozy/edgy/Aussie procedural: Mr. and Mrs. Murder. Stream on Acorn, buy on Amazon.

    Murder, She Wrote is dreadful. Matlock level dreadful. Do not recommend.

  69. 69.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 11, 2021 at 5:20 pm

    @Another Scott: One of the places close to LA that I’ve shot Milky Way photos is the Lockwood Valley about 90 minutes north of here.  There is an abundance of seemingly unhappy rabbits there since they seem to have a death wish that involves running out in front of cars.  I’ve only hit one, but I’ve had many close calls.

  70. 70.

    Another Scott

    June 11, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: I was hoping that the YouTube version would be better, but it had the same issues and just seemed to stop just as he was announcing the doubling of the personnel.

    This one from CNBC’s YouTube channel is edited to 22 minutes and might be better – it seems to be in my brief checks, but I haven’t watched it yet.

    I haven’t found a decent transcript (there’s one on C-SPAN from the closed captioning, but it’s almost unreadable). Presumably it will be at Justice.gov eventually.

    Thanks again for the pointer!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  71. 71.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh my god, cream or milk in tomato soup?  Heresy!

    :: shudder :

    Edit, I might have been with you until you got to the cream/milk part.

  72. 72.

    raven

    June 11, 2021 at 5:22 pm

    @Another Scott: Yea, we saw the momma and slowed but the doe ran right into us. I just filed so we’ll have to cough the deductible but it could have been way worse. The last time my bride was a “Isle of Palms” she backed into a palm tree and they had to replace a door. Before that a guy just back into her in a parking lot. She said, “this car is jinxed, we should get something else”! Of course Clark Howard says this is absolutely the worst time ever to buy a car!

  73. 73.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:22 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’s a recent and relevant example of how the exact same process being used for investigating Trump’s wiretapping of Schiff, et. al. turned to nothing.

    If you simply do not like critique of Garland, that’s fine.

  74. 74.

    James E Powell

    June 11, 2021 at 5:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You are describing a lot of my Friday lunches, growing up Catholic.

    @WaterGirl:

    Edit, I might have been with you until you got to the cream/milk part.

    We did half water/half milk. It was great.

  75. 75.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    @WaterGirl: Isn’t that the name of the basic Campbell’s soup?  Is just Tomato Soup.  The Andy Warhol stuff.

  76. 76.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    @Another Scott:

    I was hoping that the YouTube version would be better, but it had the same issues and just seemed to stop just as he was announcing the doubling of the personnel.

    I tried restarting several times and I never did hear the part about doubling the personnel.

  77. 77.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:25 pm

    AG Merrick Garland says DOJ will scrutinize voting laws and practices “in order to determine whether they discriminate against Black voters and other voters of color”—including studies showing voters of color wait in “substantially longer” lines to vote. t.co/xY8G8YiI04 pic.twitter.com/bprnfybysU

    — ABC News (@ABC) June 11, 2021

  78. 78.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 5:25 pm

    @elm:

    He was just criticizing your critique.  It’s an endless cycle.

  79. 79.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    @Baud: Happy talk only!

  80. 80.

    Mary G

    June 11, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    O/T, but some bad/good news. Pulitzer Prizes announced, FTFNYT gets one for covid data, and the volunteer Covid tracking project that every single reporter quoted at one time or another, got screwed.

    Super happy for all the Pulitzer winners including my dude @edyong209 and the NYT data folks. There was so much good journalism this past year.

    I’m disappointed @COVID19Tracking didn’t win, but not too surprised. We were quite confusing to traditional journalism.
    — Alexis C. Madrigal (@alexismadrigal) June 11, 2021

    They did give a special citation to Darnella Frazier, the teen who recorded George Floyd’s murder.

  81. 81.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @Baud: “One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”

  82. 82.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @elm:

    See that’s lame.  I don’t know why you think no one is going to disagree with your point of view on a political blog.

  83. 83.

    Reboot

    June 11, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: As someone who used to live in FL, thank you for that. Henceforth, I’ll now think of him as Governor Ricky-Bobby (who went to Yaaaelle).

  84. 84.

    rikyrah

    June 11, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    American, shredded cheddar, shredder colby jack

  85. 85.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:29 pm

    @Another Scott: Much better! Your youtube link is now in the thread.

    The part about doubling staff is right around the 15- minute mark.

  86. 86.

    Roger Moore

    June 11, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    @Arm The Homeless:

    It’s basically a law to punish Twitter and Facebook for banning Trump from their platforms.

    It’s a bit more expansive than that.  It’s also to protect other Republicans’ right to violate TOS however they please in search of votes.

  87. 87.

    Steeplejack

    June 11, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Monk is available on both Amazon Prime and Peacock.

    The search function at JustWatch.com is an excellent way to see where any program or movie is available.

  88. 88.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    @James E Powell: We did half water and the other half water.  :-)

    And yes, growing up catholic, grilled cheese and tomato soup was big on Fridays.

  89. 89.

    CaseyL

    June 11, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    @raven: A “nice trip” – where the only casualties are a tire and a deer.

    I’d hate to think what qualifies as a “not so nice trip.”

    Glad you and your wife made it home safely!

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    @Baud: How dare you say that!!!

    :-)

  91. 91.

    randy khan

    June 11, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    My take is that the general principle – that the President shouldn’t be subject to personal suit for things done in a professional capacity – is good, but what Trump did with Carroll was way, way past whatever line you would want to draw.

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    @rikyrah: I am a straight cheddar girl, or cheddar and swiss depending on whether I add veggies or not.

  93. 93.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    @Baud: Disagreement that addresses any points is fine and welcome, but notably absent and smells more of dismissal.

    When you asked me what parts of the Musl Ban and family separation policies I thought could result in criminal or civil cases, I replied in good faith to resounding silence.

    When Watergirl, in the prior thread on a related topic responded to a post directed to her with less than perfect cheer, she’s told that an @Watergirl doesn’t mean the post is about her.

    If you’d like to say why Garland is doing a good job, feel free. I think he’s doing an institutionalist job and I think that is inadequate.

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    @randy khan: I am with you on that.  Sadly, no one calls for my opinion.  Not Biden, not Merrick Garland.  Dammit, Barack Obama never called me either.  Bastards!

  95. 95.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 11, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sisyphus is a neo-lib

  96. 96.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    @elm:

    Jim responded to your point.  He thought your request that Garland address what happened with Bush was misguided, and he mocked why you didn’t include other historical events of tangential significance.  Sounds to me like Garland talked about the relevant history of DOJ defending voting rights.

    ETA: Your “only happy talk” comment was much of the same.

  97. 97.

    raven

    June 11, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    @CaseyL: This was a nice part while I was fishing a dawn!

  98. 98.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    @randy khan: And it would be great to get a court to draw a line.

  99. 99.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 11, 2021 at 5:41 pm

    elm has assured me that he is not a troll or a sock puppet of a troll.

  100. 100.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 5:42 pm

    @raven:

    So lucky.

  101. 101.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:42 pm

    @elm: She wasn’t being overwrought.  Others were.

  102. 102.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 5:42 pm

    @elm:

    When you asked me what parts of the Musl Ban and family separation policies I thought could result in criminal or civil cases, I replied in good faith to resounding silence.

    You referenced reporting from early 2017, which I wasn’t going to spend time verifying.  So I dropped the matter.

  103. 103.

    debbie

    June 11, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Is your employer requiring proof of vaccination?

  104. 104.

    CaseyL

    June 11, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    @raven: A lovely goggle of doggies!  I wonder if the two black&whites are related.

  105. 105.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    @elm: Yeah, I didn’t appreciate my comment being referred to as hysterical, as it seemed that multiple people were saying.  I am definitely feeling kind of cranky today, but I did not see my comments as hysterical.

    At first when you raised your point in #48, I only skimmed your comment because in addition to feeling cranky today, I am also lacking in my usual patience.  Maybe I should just go to bed and start over tomorrow?

    Anyway, to get back to your point… I didn’t see the connection between the US attorneys firing scandal and the voting rights speech today, so to me it felt like you were criticizing Garland for not talking about something that wasn’t even the subject of his speech.

    I wonder if others had the same take that I initially did, without fully reading the comment.

    For what it’s worth, I think you are raising some fine points in the comment I am replying to.  I think sometimes we are all a bit ragged because of the onslaught of bad news from the senate.

  106. 106.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 11, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    @raven: Remind me not to ride with you.

  107. 107.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    That’s one of my favorites.  Another really funny one is the nude beach episode.  The scene in the closet had me in tears every time.

  108. 108.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Prometheus, now that’s a good tankie.

  109. 109.

    debbie

    June 11, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I can relate more than I’m comfortable admitting.

  110. 110.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Did you ever watch Psyche?

  111. 111.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: politico.com/news/2020/10/27/federal-judge-trump-jean-carroll-defamation-432736

     

    A court did draw a line. The DOJ has chosen to appeal that line.

  112. 112.

    Obdurodon

    June 11, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    I can’t find any good information on what “doubling” means in this case. From 1% of the staff it should have to 2%? 10% to 20%? 75% to 150% (because there’s only so much the DoJ can do in this sphere no matter how many people it has)? Anyone have any good information on actual headcounts, and/or how much they can actually *do* before the states tell them to bugger off?

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:46 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: hahahaha

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    @Obdurodon: I do not know.

    Surely some reporter will look into this and report the news. //

  115. 115.

    debbie

    June 11, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    @raven:

    Certainly not for the deer!

  116. 116.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thank you for a productive reply. It is obviously not incumbent on Garland to address prior DOJ failures on voting rights a d failure to hold itself to a high standard.

    I do not expect Garland to do so, because I do not think it is in his nature. I think he is an institutionalist through and through and has faith in his institution.

  117. 117.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    @elm: Since when is litigation finished at the trial court level?

  118. 118.

    James E Powell

    June 11, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    John Powers talks about it in his Last Catholic in America.

  119. 119.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    @Obdurodon:

    12 to 24, I believe.

  120. 120.

    Roger Moore

    June 11, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    @randy khan: ​
     

    My take is that the general principle – that the President shouldn’t be subject to personal suit for things done in a professional capacity – is good, but what Trump did with Carroll was way, way past whatever line you would want to draw.

    Sure, but if you want that result, you actually have to show up in court; you don’t get it by abandoning the case. The ideal outcome is that DOJ shows up and argues the general principle that they should be allowed to defend the President from nuisance lawsuits. Then the judge says the argument is moot because Trump wasn’t acting in his official capacity in this case, so DOJ can take a hike. Now you’ve defended the general principle, gotten the judge to agree, and still thrown Trump to his own devices.

  121. 121.

    debbie

    June 11, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Swiss and extra sharp cheddar here. Now I’m hungry.

  122. 122.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 11, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Isn’t litigation never finished, as long as there’s a billable hour to be had?

  123. 123.

    smith

    June 11, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: You might enjoy Brokenwood Mysteries, which is basically New Zealand’s answer to Midsomer Murders. Not too heavy and mildly amusing, though the Kiwi accents take some getting used to. It appears to be available on Prime.

  124. 124.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: How far does the law compel the DOJ to continue its appeals.

    Regardless, you said you would like a court to draw a line. That’s been answered.

  125. 125.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 11, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​Smoked cheddar. Mmmmmm

    But it’s too spicy outside for grilled cheese now.

  126. 126.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    Anyway, I was a moderately active poster here from maybe 2008-2012 but have been mostly absent for a bit. I’ve never posted under a different name here.

    I was drawn back by a Silverman comment on the risks of relying on institutions when we are outside the bounds of what institutions have traditionally done well.

  127. 127.

    Steeplejack

    June 11, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    @MomSense:

    For the series in general, I think the way they transitioned from Sharona to Natalie was handled very well. Two different characters who interacted with Monk in different but equally funny ways.

    Just realized that Psych might be another recommendation for Major^4.

  128. 128.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Honestly, the institutional principle here is important.  They will want to take it to an appeals court that can draw a specific line the would be precedent in future cases. A trial court can’t do that.

  129. 129.

    Roger Moore

    June 11, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    @rikyrah: ​
     
    There are lots of good cheeses for a grilled cheese. I love a good Cheddar- West Country farmhouse Cheddar makes a great sandwich- but pepper jack is very good, too. Other good cheeses for grilled cheese include Toscano, Manchego, miniature brie, Gouda, and red Leicester. I will usually get the spotlight cheese from Trader Joe’s each month to see if it will work for grilled cheese, and it very often does.

  130. 130.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 5:58 pm

    @elm: See my reply to G&T.

  131. 131.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 5:59 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Just because the DOJ is “defending” the administration doesn’t mean they actually think it’s a winning case or that they want to.
    When our governor was the AG when Paul LePage was governor.  They went to court over his attempt to quarantine a nurse who had cared for Ebola patients.  The administration’s expert was a joke and they lost the case.  They didn’t expect to win it.  I don’t think anyone in the AGs office shed a tear over the outcome.

  132. 132.

    NotMax

    June 11, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    Several other second tier* procedural series centering on or including a borderline dysfunctional or otherwise traumatized major character: Endgame, Perception, New Tricks, Serangoon Road, River. As an outlier, since it is SF-dependent as a starting point, would also mention Tunnel (I much preferred the Thai remake to the Korean original; YMMV.)

    *First tier personally defined as more by the book, not reliant on the hook of a personality quirk or similar gimmick. Stuff like (in no particular order) Happy Valley, Mamon, Broadchurch, Spiral, Mystery Road, Fallet.

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 11, 2021 at 6:02 pm

    @MomSense: This is correct.

  134. 134.

    Raven

    June 11, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    @CaseyL: no but there was another vizsla there!

  135. 135.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    You can’t go wrong with Tony Shaloub.  We rewatched Galaxy Quest recently and my son told me that the director told Tony to smoke pot throughout filming.  Not sure why, but knowing that he was high the whole time made it even funnier.

  136. 136.

    NotMax

    June 11, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Strictly a Muenster man. With a wee dab of mustard and a sprinkle of garlic powder before putting on the top slice of bread.

  137. 137.

    randy khan

    June 11, 2021 at 6:08 pm

    @Mary G:

    They did give a special citation to Darnella Frazier, the teen who recorded George Floyd’s murder.

    I was very impressed by that – as far as I can tell, it’s the first time someone not in one of the fields that the regular Pulitzers cover has received one of those.

    As the for Times, the award was not just for the data journalism, but for the whole package of coverage.  Whether you agree with the decision or not, it was fundamentally different from the COVID tracking project.

  138. 138.

    NotMax

    June 11, 2021 at 6:10 pm

    @MomSense

    During the first season of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel it felt like he was phoning in his performance. Later seasons showed more presence but there was still more than a hint he was uncomfortable in the skin of the character and thus giving less than 100%.

  139. 139.

    randy khan

    June 11, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    And it would be great to get a court to draw a line.

    One result of the DoJ stepping back in is that we have that very thing happen.  We just have to hope the line is drawn in a decent place.

  140. 140.

    WaterGirl

    June 11, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    @elm:  You should stick around.  Don’t let one Friday experience send you off.

  141. 141.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 11, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    @debbie: yep!

    @MomSense: love Psych!

    Thanks all for the recommendations!

  142. 142.

    Floridan

    June 11, 2021 at 6:13 pm

    This was a good start, but Garland needs to clean house.

  143. 143.

    Another Scott

    June 11, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Thank you.

    I haven’t engaged in elm’s posts for a few reasons:

    1. Garland has been on the job 90 days.  Today’s press conference shows that he engages with the front-line people before coming up with any change in policy direction or emphasis.  That takes time.
    2. What Garland said today was an unqualified good thing.  Spoiling it with whataboutery is counter-productive.  Refighting old battles is a distraction to a very good day.
    3. What I heard of Garland’s testimony before the Appropriations committee makes it clear to me that he’s going to follow proper procedures and make sure his ducks are in a row even before reversing bad policies.  (roughly) “We’re going to follow the laws and the rules even if we would not have decided things that way…”
    4. There is nothing in Garland’s background or public statements that indicates he’s a blind “institutionalist” who just goes along with what predecessors have decided.  He’s not Barr Jr.  He knows how the DoJ works (from being there before), he knows how the courts work (from being a big-wig in the federal courts).  He is doing his best, he wants his changes to be long-lasting, and I think we can give him more than 90 days before deciding that he’s worthless and that law Twitter has his number.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  144. 144.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    I think this is Barr talking to CNN to try to protect himself.

    Barr pushed investigators to finish leak probes

  145. 145.

    randy khan

    June 11, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    To my way of thinking, we have a resolution that’s okay right now, even if it’s just at a district court level.  A DoJ appeal in this specific case only makes sense if they want to say the line was drawn wrong and that Trump’s alleged (probably actual) defamation of Carroll somehow fell within the scope of his duties.  So I’d rather they didn’t appeal.

  146. 146.

    MomSense

    June 11, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    @NotMax:

    I think he played it right, though.  He could have easily upstaged the lead.  Plus we were experiencing him through Mrs Maisel and we got to know him better when she moved in with her parents.

  147. 147.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 6:16 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s been several days of the same. I understand cranky insularity, but lurking seems less aggravating.

    It makes me long for makato_chan calling us all whatever her insult was.

  148. 148.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 6:17 pm

    Biden Plans to Restore Alaskan Forest Protections Stripped Under Trump

     

    The administration says it will “repeal or replace” the rule that opened up more than half of Tongass National Forest to logging.

  149. 149.

    Catherine D.

    June 11, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    @rikyrah: Hey, who gave you my remote? ?

  150. 150.

    Baud

    June 11, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    ‘I was completely inside‘: Lobster diver swallowed by humpback whale off Provincetown

  151. 151.

    cope

    June 11, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s currently on the Hallmark Mystery Channel and Sundance on our cable system, Spectrum.  My wife and I watched them all except the final two episodes because she reckoned they would be too sad.

  152. 152.

    Obdurodon

    June 11, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    @Another Scott: I don’t think it’s accurate to use “institutionalist” for just going along with what one immediate predecessor did. Yes, precedent is important, but precedent is not necessarily set by just one action which egregiously violated all other precedent and principle before it. A true institutionalist would be comfortable protecting the institution itself by simply nullifying the aberrant action. The proper word for what Garland has done would be “proceduralist” or perhaps “gradualist” IMO. Not that different most of the time, but not identical either.

  153. 153.

    Arm The Homeless

    June 11, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    @Roger Moore: You’re not wrong, but IMHO it’s a threat against Facebook to stop them stepping in to nerf the algorithm that keeps right-wing propaganda constantly at the top of engagement metrics, and the money that flows from their cult through the medium coming in to campaigns.

  154. 154.

    cope

    June 11, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Maybe you would enjoy Columbo. You know who dunnit right off but the fun is seeing Columbo put it all together. Lots of familiar guest actors and actresses, some from way back when.

  155. 155.

    NotMax

    June 11, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @cope

    Exceedingly strange, not entirely successful series with a Columbo-esque flair is Futmalls.

  156. 156.

    burnspbesq

    June 11, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    Some people will bemoan the lack of a timetable for the arrest/trial/execution of Trump Administration figures

    ‘There is a timetable. It’s called the statute of limitation.

  157. 157.

    satby

    June 11, 2021 at 6:33 pm

    @elm: “cudlip”

  158. 158.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    June 11, 2021 at 6:34 pm

    @Steeplejack: Thank you so much!

    Now that I’ve gotten really into cdramas, which I find only by word of mouth on the web, this is really helpful

  159. 159.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 6:34 pm

    @satby: That was it, thank you. You couldn’t even agree with her without being insulted.

    My memory kept going to “kulak”, but I knew that was not it.

  160. 160.

    NotMax

    June 11, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    Bravo to Oregon.

    Oregon State Rep. Mike Nearman (R) became the first person ever expelled from the Oregon House of Representatives on Thursday, with all 59 of his colleagues voting to vacate his seat over his decision to let a mob into the state Capitol last year.

    In a 59-1 vote, with Nearman the sole opposition, the legislature was absolute. Nearman was the only Republican to speak during floor debate. Source

  161. 161.

    guachi

    June 11, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    My wife is all about murder mystery shows. We are watching New Tricks right now. and we alternate with Brokenwood Mysteries, though we are caught up on that.

    Despite a non-recommendation from others, we find Murder, She Wrote delightful because Angela Lansbury is awesome. Its major fault is being from a time where TV shows couldn’t be as adventurous in their stories. Seasons 2-6 are best.

    We also like Murdoch Mysteries from Canada. It’s delightful. Also from Canada and set in the early 1900s is Frankie Drake. Not the greatest mysteries but it’s a female PI and there are lots of story ideas that you’ll likely never have seen before as it’s a) women who b) live in Canada in c) the early 1900s.

  162. 162.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 11, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    @Baud: That being P-Town, I’m left wondering what it’s a euphemism for. Urban Dictionary is no help.

  163. 163.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 11, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @elm: More likely a term BiP would have used.

  164. 164.

    debbie

    June 11, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @MomSense:

    I sure didn’t. What a dick move.

  165. 165.

    debbie

    June 11, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    @Baud:

    That is seriously insane.

  166. 166.

    bluefoot

    June 11, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    @Mary G: ​
      Ed Yong’s award is well-deserved. I agree the COVID Tracking Project got screwed since it was one of a small number of absolutely essential resources throughout the pandemic whilst our government fiddled (diddled?) while the nation burned.

    Not sure how the FNYT got the public service award.

  167. 167.

    Subsole

    June 11, 2021 at 7:10 pm

    @elm: Dead thread, I’m sure, but why would you staff an institution with people who have no faith in it?

  168. 168.

    CaseyL

    June 11, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    I just had a squirrel in my house!

    S/he ran in through the upstairs deck door (I leave it open during the day when the weather warms up enough), and I noticed her when she came downstairs.  I stayed still, trying to think about the best way to get her back outside.  She ran for the front door, and I went over to open it – but of course she panicked when I came looming up near her, and ran back upstairs

    Well, I propped the front door open, scattered a bunch of peanuts just outside.

    Then waited a little while and went out to look up at the upstairs deck and sure enough, she went back out the way she came in, and was out on the deck.

    I tossed some more nuts out onto the lawn.  Girl had a scare, after all, and will need a pick-me-up!

    This isn’t quite as odd as the time a bat flew in, nor as complicated as the time a whole family of raccoons was coming in every night and eating all the cat food.  But it was still rather sweet.

  169. 169.

    Subsole

    June 11, 2021 at 7:16 pm

     

     

    @Arm The Homeless: I still cannot believe Conservatives think Facebook isn’t on their side…

  170. 170.

    evodevo

    June 11, 2021 at 7:16 pm

    @smith: ​
      Yep…love this series…however I have to turn on the closed captioning sometimes to figure out what was being said…

  171. 171.

    Roger Moore

    June 11, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    @Subsole:

    I still cannot believe Conservatives think Facebook isn’t on their side

    I think they know it’s on their side; they’re just working the ref to keep it on their side.

  172. 172.

    Steeplejack

    June 11, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    @Chacal Charles Calthrop:

    I’ve found it invaluable. Ended a long search.

  173. 173.

    Steeplejack

    June 11, 2021 at 7:28 pm

    @guachi:

    Maybe I didn’t give it enough of a chance, but I thought Frankie Drake was like “Let’s do a wisecracking Phryne Fisher.” Might have to revisit.

  174. 174.

    Anotherlurker

    June 11, 2021 at 7:53 pm

    @guachi: Frankie Drake is from the same production house that brought us Murdock Mysteries, Shaftsbury Productions.

  175. 175.

    Subsole

    June 11, 2021 at 8:01 pm

    @Roger Moore: Yeah. It was more exasperated sarcasm on my part. I think they’re working the refs to keep their base riled.

    I doubt Dorsey, Zuckerberg or the fine folks at Shapirotube need much working.

  176. 176.

    Chris Johnson

    June 11, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    @satby: Oh my God, now I remember. Wow.

  177. 177.

    elm

    June 11, 2021 at 9:54 pm

    @Subsole: In the spirit of all the good faith engagement here, I suppose I’d hoped reasonable people could understand that I meant an unearned or excessive amount of faith in the institution.

    Specifically, excessive faith in things like the Inspector General’s office and investigations despite them having been inadequate to prevent past and recent DOJ abuses.

  178. 178.

    J R in WV

    June 12, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    There are lots of good cheeses for a grilled cheese. I love a good Cheddar- West Country farmhouse Cheddar makes a great sandwich- but pepper jack is very good, too. Other good cheeses for grilled cheese include Toscano, Manchego, miniature brie, Gouda, and red Leicester. I will usually get the spotlight cheese from Trader Joe’s each month to see if it will work for grilled cheese, and it very often does.

    I find that Swiss somehow gains a rubbery taste in a grilled cheese, so I’m inclined to use a very sharp cheddar on Pain de mie from a local bakery, with thin sliced sweet onions and mayo on the inside, grilled with Irish butter in a big cast iron skillet with a lid on to keep the heat in so the cheese and onion cook together.
    Lacking any of those specific ingredients you can substitute, but the quality of the sandwich begins to vary pretty quickly. Wonder bread and Velveeta, for example turns a great food into shit right off the bat. Miracle Whip instead of real mayo works that way also too.

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