Trump gave a speech threatening aggressive use of force. Immediately on its conclusion, peaceful protestors (in contrast to the violent ones there the night before) were clubbed and gassed. Then Trump waltzed out for a photo op. Perhaps it's all a coincidence. Perhaps. https://t.co/3u8TEEMoXb
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) June 10, 2021
All is for the best, in this best of all possible worlds! Please take our word on this, citizens!
It’d be less degrading if the Putin / Trump kakistocracy network were holding these media headliners’ blackmail material. But it seems to be just a craving for ‘normalcy’ — defined as ‘Repubs in charge, like our tinpot gods intended.’
Their plan was to rubber bullet and tear gas citizens all along? And this makes things better how?
— RMR (@rmrjersey) June 9, 2021
Props to the Washington Post (i.e., the local paper) for resisting The Narrative — “The lingering questions about the clearing of Lafayette Square”:
The most important question asked about the clearing of Lafayette Square on June 1 of last year came that day from Attorney General William P. Barr…
In footage from that moment, you can see Barr speak to the commander, after which the commander’s head droops with seemingly intentional melodrama. From a report released Wednesday by the Interior Department inspector general, we learn what Barr asked.
“Are these people still going to be here when POTUS comes out?”
“These people” were the protesters. And “POTUS,” of course, was the president of the United States, who, within an hour, emerged from the White House, strode through a square newly and contentiously cleared of demonstrators and posed for several photographs outside of a church…
We don’t know Barr’s side of the story because the inspector general’s report focused only on the conduct of the U.S. Park Police (USPP), the organization that falls within the Interior Department’s mandate. Many other agencies were on the scene that day, including Bureau of Prisons officers — airdropped in by the Justice Department in response to the ongoing protests — and the Secret Service. Most of the officers there were under Park Police direction (except the Secret Service) but the inspector general only “sought interviews and information from individuals outside of the USPP when doing so would provide us with information about the agency’s USPP’s activities. Accordingly, we did not seek to interview Attorney General William Barr, White House personnel, Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) officers, [D.C. Metropolitan Police (MPD)] personnel, or Secret Service personnel regarding their independent decisions that did not involve the USPP.”…
The US Park Police did not clear protesters to allow for then-President Trump's march to St. John's Church last June, but instead did so to allow a contractor to install a fence safely around the White House, a new report states https://t.co/EQz7TVgDzy
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) June 9, 2021
I’m one of the people who went to Lafayette Square last June in support of #BLM, & was driven away by riot police with teargas, & flash grenades. I saw the report finding no link between the clearing of the park & the photo op. Initially I was not going to respond…
— The Rev. Gini Gerbasi (@GiniGerbasi) June 11, 2021
The idea that this level of violence – unleashed in a single moment – was about clearing the space for a fence is absurd. This was not, “Hey folks, we need you to move so we can build a fence!” This was police in riot gear using weapons of war.
— The Rev. Gini Gerbasi (@GiniGerbasi) June 11, 2021
also, the whole thing was broadcast in real time. we could see the violence and the gas https://t.co/bAlzXZJLk7
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) June 9, 2021
That report that a lot of media outlets claimed exonerated Barr and the former president? It doesn’t. If you look closely, it doesn’t even pretend to. https://t.co/A9e8jDYyhY
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 12, 2021
… Without an explanation of the early Secret Service deployment, which is outside the scope of the DOI IG report, we can’t rule out the possibility that Trump’s schedule determined the timing of the assault on protesters. Without knowing more about the official who was apparently seeking to move up that timing, whose identity and affiliation are mysteriously redacted in the DOI IG report, we can’t pursue an important lead that might explain that early deployment. Without an investigation that looks beyond the Park Police to all the participants involved in that violent affair, a task the IG report expressly disavows, we can’t make particularly meaningful conclusions. The uncertainties left by the report don’t mean that we need to overstate our certainty in the other direction—we really don’t know why the Secret Service jumped out early—but news headlines should reflect the report’s limitations and its deliberate blindspots, not the government’s party line.
what the report actually says is that although there's no express indication that Trump gave the order, police were told that Trump was coming and Barr explicitly asked when the protestors would be removed. https://t.co/dCujgGAagz
— Law Boy, Esq. (@The_Law_Boy) June 9, 2021
you would have to be a complete fucking dullard to think the "Trump tear gassed protestors for a photo op" thing was a media hit job. he literally took credit for it as it happened
— Law Boy, Esq. (@The_Law_Boy) June 9, 2021
Baud
Did they ever install that fence?
debbie
@Baud:
Yeah, that “rationale” came out of nowhere.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Dump looking like a hobo (photo from Monday)
NotMax
Barr’s interpretation and understanding of the breadth and scope of command afforded by the “General” part of his title is … flawed.
/understatement
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
The attack occurred at 7PM Eastern so it would get prime time coverage on State Media.
Kay
Real information and communications starting to come out now.
The Trump Administration were dead serious about overturning the election. They were planning on remaining in power.
It’s just extraordinary. An actual coup effort going on behind the scenes all through December.
I’m starting to understand better now why the whole Republican Party opposes an investigation. I didn’t realize they would leave a written record of the coup attempt- didn’t occur to me.
These people have to be prosecuted. This really can’t go unanswered.
Kay
That letter becomes much more understandable with more and more context and information. They knew by early December this thing was completely out of control.
debbie
@Kay:
Kind of shocking they would leave so much evidence.
westyny
I think I’ll believe my lying eyes, thank you.
dmsilev
@debbie: If they were convinced that they’d win out, nobody would have seen the documentation or be in a position to do anything about it.
NotMax
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Would have been earlier but it took Ivanka extra time to dig up a Bible that would fit in her purse as well as not show an unsightly bulge.
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Felanius Kootea
@debbie: They thought they would succeed!
debbie
@dmsilev:
Remember, Trump tore up every piece of paper after reading it. Seems somewhat sloppy not to proactively order others to do the same. He knew what he was trying to do was not legal.
ETA: Seems sloppier than that suit he was wearing on Monday.
mrmoshpotato
Hmmmmmm….
So the Kremlin’s orange fascist shitstain saw (or was told) that Lafayette Square was empty and just felt like a fascist photo op?
Sure Jan. You slapdick.
ETA – It’s especially sickening when all of this was broadcast in real time by different mediums.
JMG
The ones inside the Trump administration who didn’t think the coup would work kept detailed records. The coup participants, not so much. BTW, 21 GOP representatives voted no on a resolution awarding the Capitol Police a medal for 1/6. Dept. of Justice should hoover up their phone and Internet records from Election Day until now.
Elizabelle
@Kay: It’s interesting this stuff is dribbling out after the Senate Republicans refused to allow a bipartisan January 6th investigation.
Time to gear up the House and Senate investigations. Who cares if they are not “bipartisan”? That makes them more likely to be accurate.
I felt a little frisson of fear when you connected the DOJ with the Secs of Defense letter. We are not out of the woods until the Republicans’ potential to try this again is crippled.
More shoes to drop.
Jeffro
@Kay: it’s just as mind-blowing as the concept of a Russian asset installed in the WH, and equally supported by the facts. Which, at some point, the powers-that-be in this country really should consider following, wherever they lead.
schrodingers_cat
MAGA Haberman continues to be the mouth of Sauron
NotMax
@schrodingers_cat
A somewhat different orifice comes to mind.
;)
Kay
@debbie:
I think they were seeking a delay hoping they could touch off mass rioting and unrest so the transfer wouldn’t happen. If they could get the DOJ to file something they’d have the time they needed to fire up the loyalists and get them rioting. Once there was a delay and it looked like they were succeeding in stealing it our people would come out too.
They have to be prosecuted for this. They can’t get away with attempting it.
debbie
@Kay:
Absolutely. Terrifying to think what could have happened.
Redshift
@Baud:
I looked it up, and apparently they actually did install fencing that night. I was sure I was going to find they’d started the next day or something. But for once, they actually came up with a plausible lie, instead of obvious bullshit that their minions have to believe to prove their loyalty.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
Mark Meadows would be a good place to start. He’s one of the senders. I imagine he knows everything.
Leto
@debbie: he tore those papers up, but there were people putting all those scraps back together. It’s going to take years for all the information to come out, and honestly we don’t have that kind of time. I don’t even know if we’ll have the will/ability to prosecute all the people involved in this.
NotMax
Sadly, AFAIK there is no perversion of justice statute on the books.
zhena gogolia
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
My God. Is that suit made out of a Hefty bag?
Elizabelle
@Jeffro: I was thinking about that, the Russian asset installed in the White House, yesterday, with the Reality Winner thread. She may have gone about it wrong, but she cared enough to try to prevent that outcome. She is a far more principled American than any of his accomplices.
I would like to see ALL of the Mueller report. Except to protect intelligence assets, I think it is our due as Americans to know what was in there. What did Barr not want to get out?
I would also like to see credible followup on how much of the Steele Dossier turned out to be true. The wingnuts were so busy discrediting it at every turn, assuring each other it had been repudiated. I could not care less about golden showers. It’s the financial and connectivity that interests me.
I would like to see Trump prosecuted for any money-laundering he has done, and his actual financial dealings with Russians brought to light. I see in tonight’s NY Times that Cyrus Vance is leaning hard on Allen Weisselberg of the Trump Organization, who has so far refused to cooperate. They are allegedly preparing charges to be filed, as early as this summer.
I want a pony too, dammit. Make that a horse.
Kirk Spencer
We won’t, even if all goes well. There will always be the very sneaky or lucky or marginal who avoid successful prosecution.
What we need to emphasize, imo, is the wrongness. Make it so they return to hiding under their rocks for another couple of generations. That’s a win, I think.
debbie
@Leto:
As long as we get the major ones, I’m happy.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
All they needed was one win- a court or state who would go along- and they’d have their delay. I say “a state” but of course I’m talking about individual state officials. They just needed one higher-ranking crook to fall on his sword for Dear Leader. Luckily he has no real alliances with people and they all hate him because kissing his ass humiliates them and shows them to be weak and of poor character. They hate him more than we do. His control is fear-based. They hate themselves for being afraid of him.
mrmoshpotato
@zhena gogolia:
Terrible thing to say about Hefty bags. ?
debbie
@Kay:
Ken Paxton wouldn’t fill that role?
Kay
@zhena gogolia:
His shiny suits are awful. Why do they always ride up his back? It’s like they’re both too big and too small at the same time. Do they not know his actual measurements? Does he lie? My God, don’t take his word for it.
NotMax
@Kay
Incorrectly worn/sized body armor underneath.
Benw
So they built a fence and the protestors paid dearly for it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
all of the above, I’m guessing. I remember an old sitcom episode– one of the fat schlubs with the hot wife things they kept turning out in the 90s– where hot wife was sewing XL labels into his XXL shirts, of something, so he wouldn’t feel bad. Imagine that if fat schlub husband is an unbalanced psycho of a boss and you’ve made yourself unemployable by working for him
Kay
I love how they omitted this part. Come on, man. Do the whole job or don’t bother.
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I think he has them add in the front which then screws up the fit in the back and shoulders. He’s wearing two different sizes, front to back.
Delk
Suits? Jeez—look at his hair. The ill fitting lifts in his shoes. He’s an equal opportunity slob. I bet his breath stinks.
West of the Rockies
@zhena gogolia:
The finest polyester in all of Newark!
Elizabelle
Ha ha. Even Ruth Marcus of the WaPost is imploring Stephen Obtuse Breyer to retire.
I’ve urged Supreme Court justices to stick around — but never to retire. Until now.
Matt McIrvin
The media are signaling that when Trump is reinstalled as President, they’ll accept it as legitimate.
Elizabelle
@Matt McIrvin: Oh come on. It is way more likely that they are hacks.
Southpaw’s recap was interesting. How the headlines were not borne out in the actual reporting.
NotMax
@West of the Rockies
Brookski Brothers.
:)
Kay
@Elizabelle:
I find his cluelessness unacceptable. If they’re going to stay on that court for a hundred years they have an obligation to pay attention to the actual country and not the theoretical country that lives in their heads. Things have changed. Get up to speed. Chop chop.
DMcK
@Kay:
Can’t remember where I read it (here, probably!), but IIRC, Trump buys his suits off the rack, under the belief that custom tailoring is only for people trying to hide physical defects.
Elizabelle
@Kay: Yes. I am trying to think up Dr. Seuss rhymes for Justice Breyer. But tired, and time for dinner.
Just go, Breyer, GO!
GTFO.
Today, June 15th, is the anniversary of President Clinton nominating RBGinsburg to the Supreme Court in 1993.
And I still cannot look at a photo of her without sadly remembering she allowed herself to be replaced by Amy … you know.
And shut the fuck up to anyone who bleats “we failed her.”
No. We did not. We voted like hell against Trump, but the results of a vote are never knowable in advance. (And screw the Electoral College.) Too much of a risk, and we all paid for it. I felt so badly for RBG, holding on by her toenails and fighting her decline, and knowing she might run out of runway before TFG was gone. She was courageous, but foolish in one major way.
Mike in NC
That photo of the Fat Orange Clown holding the Bible may well have been what became his final downfall, as it disgusted millions of normal, decent people.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
It’s why I like Sotomayor. You get a sense she knows what’s going on.
Cacti
@Elizabelle: With all due respect to RBG, hubris got the best of her.
Elizabelle
@Kay:
I am against life terms for USSC justices. How could we do anything to change that? I like the rolling 18 year terms. That is plenty of time. Something shorter, and get rid of the demographic bingo business.
@ Cacti: I think so too. Sadly.
NotMax
@DMcK
At the Bigly & Tall shop?
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Cacti:
RBG did nothing to poison the electorate’s mind toward Hillary Cinton. The list of people I blame is very long before I get to her
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elizabelle:
Fuck you
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bleat louder.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elizabelle: fuck you
Butter Emails
Is this actually even what the report says? I thought the actual phrasing was something along the lines of “the decision to clear the park was made before the Park service was informed of the President’s intent to walk to the church.” Seems a bit ambiguous. Does that mean:
Park Service(at some point before the President’s walk): Yeah, we got new fencing that’s going to be installed in a couple days. We’re going to need to clear the park at some point.
Or
Park Service: Yeah, we got new fencing that’s going to be installed in a couple days. Let’s tear gas and beat protesters starting at 20 minutes before curfew today.
Elizabelle
@Butter Emails:
From ABC’s reporting, more than halfway through the story:
One Park Police commander told the inspector general’s office they were caught off guard about Trump’s plans during a conversation with Attorney General Bill Barr, who asked, “Are these people still going to be here when POTUS [President of the United States] comes out?” according to the report.
“The USPP operations commander told us he had not known until then that the President would be coming out of the White House and into Lafayette Park. He said he replied to the Attorney General, ‘Are you freaking kidding me?'” the report reads.
The Interior IG is a Trump appointee, FWIW, although he also seems to be well qualified for the post. Previously, he was appointed to a position at Commerce, again by Trump, after serving on Congressional (sub)committees and clerking for a federal judge. He went to a real law school.
His purview was the Park Police, period. He did not follow up with officials/witnesses from other agencies (Secret Service, the rent a cops from Bureau of Prisons). His report seems disingenuous and, of course, TFG immediately claimed he had been fully exonerated.
To be continued.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Trump is a nut shell; he goes to town on the peaceful protesters, hides from the violent ones.
Want to bet the Jan 6 Coup failed because Trump is coward and went to hide in the White House bunker?
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@debbie: el jefe de maralago doesn’t have the hands to carry all that evidence away.
Porlock Junior
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Because he’s a coward, sure. But think of him walking half a mile under his own power in public – no way!
Geminid
@Kay: Justice Sotomayor tried a lot of cases as a federal prosecutor, and then as a Distict Cout Judge. I think she has her feet on the ground in a way other Justices do not.