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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Local Races Open Thread: Ohioans, Should I Donate to Shontel Brown?

Local Races Open Thread: Ohioans, Should I Donate to Shontel Brown?

by Anne Laurie|  June 30, 20216:53 pm| 137 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., local races

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Rep. Clyburn frequently endorses Democrats. Shontel Brown is a Democrat – unlike her opponent. https://t.co/UuhExpEJKC

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@TheRealHoarse) June 30, 2021

Don’t want to step on local toes, but I’m strongly tempted, because the NYTimes political desk is hot garbage, and no friend to actual Democrats:

… On Tuesday, Mr. Clyburn, the No. 3 House Democrat, took aim at one of Mr. Sanders’s most outspoken acolytes, Nina Turner, a hero to the left who is surging in her campaign in Ohio to claim the Cleveland-based congressional seat vacated by the housing secretary, Marcia L. Fudge.

In a rare intervention into a party primary, Mr. Clyburn, a veteran lawmaker and the highest-ranking Black member of Congress, endorsed Shontel Brown, Ms. Turner’s leading opponent.

He said his decision to back Ms. Brown, the chairwoman of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party, was not about Mr. Sanders, or even Ms. Turner, who remains the favorite before the contest on Aug. 3 in the heavily Democratic district. But he took a swipe at what he called the “sloganeering” of the party’s left flank, which has risen to power with calls for “Medicare for all,” and to “abolish ICE” and “defund the police.”

The special election in Cleveland is highlighting the vast generational divide and ideological gulf that the Democratic Party faces as the entire House leadership heads toward the sunset. Mr. Clyburn, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the House majority leader, Representative Steny H. Hoyer, are all octogenarians, leading an increasingly youthful, diverse and restive caucus. Ms. Pelosi even agreed to vacate her position after this Congress, and the next year will be an ideological battle over who will succeed her.

Ms. Brown has the backing of the Democratic establishment, including not only Mr. Clyburn but also Hillary Clinton; Richard Cordray, a former Ohio attorney general; Representative Joyce Beatty of Ohio, the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus; and moderate Democrats like Representatives Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey and David Trone of Maryland…

Ms. Turner is undoubtedly a divisive figure as well. A prominent surrogate for Mr. Sanders in 2016 and a national co-chairwoman for his campaign in 2020, she has never minced words about what she calls “corporate Democrats.” She has declined to say whether she voted for Ms. Clinton in 2016, and before Election Day in November, she suggested the choice between Donald J. Trump and Mr. Biden was the choice between a full bowl of excrement and half a bowl…

Democratic leaders asking Democrats to vote for the Democratic candidate. Imagine the NYTimes‘ horror.

A white socialist hoping for the death of Jim Clyburn because he endorsed a candidate she doesn’t support. pic.twitter.com/okmM119be5

— chris evans (@chris_notcapn) June 30, 2021

How do you un-harshly wish someone’s death? pic.twitter.com/JjZkmH8zGN

— chris evans (@chris_notcapn) June 30, 2021

Wow. pic.twitter.com/8yQGBx6VyE

— chris evans (@chris_notcapn) June 29, 2021

WATCH Killer Mike call Elder Deacon Jim Clyburn “STUPID” but “with love..” at a Town Hall for Nina Turner hosted by TYT

also watch Turner “amen” Killer Mike as he accuses Dems of being paid to NOT work for the people

A vote for Turner is a vote against the Biden Harris agenda pic.twitter.com/PeTn1N663G

— Milk Chocolate MAKamala (@NovusDivus) June 26, 2021

But Brown doesn't need to match her. She just needs enough.

Please donate what you can to Shontel Brown's campaign. Even the smallest amounts add up.

Please Retweet

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— Sally Albright (@SilentAmuse) June 22, 2021

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  1. 1.

    bbleh

    June 30, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    I swear, we are moving rapidly in the direction of a European-style parliamentary system: overt legislative control of the leader of the Executive, and 4 parties — mainstream left (most Dems), mainstream right (most Repubs), far left / Green (Bernie Bros) and far right / fascist (MAGAts).

    About the only silver lining here is, the splinter left is FAR smaller than the splinter right — the latter would be more of a schism than a splinter.

    (Frist?  Yikes!)

  2. 2.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    Ms. Pelosi even agreed to vacate her position after this Congress, and the next year will be an ideological battle over who will succeed her.

    I thought Hakeem Jefferies was the odds-on favorite.

  3. 3.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2021 at 6:59 pm

    Don’t want to step on local toes, but I’m strongly tempted, because the NYTimes political desk Nina Turner is hot garbage, and no friend to actual Democrats:

    FTFY
    Nina Turner, in her own words.

  4. 4.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    @Baud: There will be a Twitter and Media fight, but Jefferies probably has the votes locked up already.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    @bbleh:

    I’m not sure most Republicans are mainstream.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 7:05 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    but Jefferies probably has the votes locked up already.

    So you admit it’s RIGGED!

  7. 7.

    zhena gogolia

    June 30, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I hope that’s true. He is fiercely intelligent, just like Pelosi.

  8. 8.

    Buckeye

    June 30, 2021 at 7:07 pm

    I’ve not lived in that area of NE Ohio for many many years, but there’s no freaking way I’d vote for Turner if the option is an actual Dem.

  9. 9.

    Another Scott

    June 30, 2021 at 7:09 pm

    In a rare intervention into a party primary…

    Since when is it “rare” or an “intervention” for an elected official to endorse a candidate in a primary??

    Grr…

    I donated to her once already, weeks ago.

    Turner has roots there, has been elected there, and may do fine there. But bombthrowers who throw more bombs at Democrats than the other guys aren’t terribly helpful in building the party.

    Go Shontel.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 7:10 pm

    @Baud: You know my mantra: Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations.

    I’ve yet to be indicted.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’ve yet to be indicted.

    I didn’t know you were rich.

  12. 12.

    dr. bloor

    June 30, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    Hard to imagine that Cleveland Dems want a representative whose headline committee assignment will be Sanitation and Engineering for the District of Columbia, but the heart wants what it wants, I guess.

  13. 13.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 7:17 pm

    @Baud: You might be confusing me with Steve in the WTF.  I don’t think he’s been indicted either.

  14. 14.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 7:17 pm

    I like Shontel Brown a lot. She has a lot of respect amomg local Democrats because she works hard in local Democratic politics.

    I live on the edge of the district but not in it. The district stretches from Cleveland down into Akron. She is more Cleveland. Nina Turner is popular around here but that’s because we have lots of “Progressive Democrats” who are Bernie supporters.  Also Nina Turner has worked really hard to be in the national spotlight.

    Shontel Brown is running some great ads.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 7:17 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    Unfortunately, I don’t think Ohio has ranked choice voting, which means the winner might win with far less than 50% of the vote.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 7:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Man, he should be.

  17. 17.

    dr. bloor

    June 30, 2021 at 7:19 pm

    @Baud: If that’s the case, Ron Klain has to get on the horn with some of the inevitable also-rans who are splintering the vote.

  18. 18.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    @dr. bloor: I imagine Marcia Fudge and maybe a few of her close associates are having a lot of quiet words, and gave Jim Clyburn a few names to reach out to as well

    Hillary Clinton endorsed Brown. I wonder if Bubba is feeling like a trip to the Rock’nRoll hall of fame…

  19. 19.

    Princess

    June 30, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    I’m not donating to anyone out of state until the primaries are over. I think out of state money made a lot of mistakes in 2020.

    (I might make an exception for Demings because she seems likely to run without a serious opponent

    ETA: Oh wait, this is the Nina Turner race. I’m still reluctant to get involved but I get the impulse.

  20. 20.

    LeftCoastYankee

    June 30, 2021 at 7:26 pm

    Meh, the NYT is trying to fan some drama into a horse-race story they can plug into one of their “politics” templates (“Dems in Disarray”).

    It’s gotten too hard/embarrassing for them to ask for Democratic responses to whatever gibberish the Republicans are howling today.

    The people of that district will decide, not the Useful Idiot Twitter Brigade.

  21. 21.

    bbleh

    June 30, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    @Baud: It’s a distribution over a spectrum of course, but I think the bedrock of the party is still the reasonably comfortable-to-well-off-to-wealthy white petit-bourgeois-small-business-professional bloc, and they are nothing if not very conservative of their creature comforts — low taxes (and the political/business alignment that maintains it) uber alles — which to me says that in the event of a formal split, they’d go Establishment rather than Brownshirt.

  22. 22.

    Ksmiami

    June 30, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    Just donated- I’m letting African-American women lead the charge.

  23. 23.

    bbleh

    June 30, 2021 at 7:37 pm

    @Ksmiami: I’m letting African-American women lead the charge.

    Right?  Let’s see: Pelosi, Abrams, Harris, Warren, the Squad, Bowser, Bottoms … Liz fkin Cheney … I’m half expecting Adam Kinzinger to come out as trans.

    Let’s grow a pair, gentlemen.

  24. 24.

    featheredsprite

    June 30, 2021 at 7:40 pm

    Lived in Cleveland for several years but somewhere else now. Don’t know Brown but am familiar with Turner, who may be a decent dem but is not a good socialist. Go with Ms. Brown.

  25. 25.

    cain

    June 30, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    @Baud:

    oh god no, fuck that – Keep Pelosi till after the midterms.

  26. 26.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    I’m not taking a side yet. I hate this particular battle. Battle on, though.

    I’m listening to a Tim Ryan zoom call. They “will not be running the typical DC campaign. Laser focused on workers”.

    “Statewide listening event”. I hope that doesn’t mean we listen to them :)

  27. 27.

    PsiFighter37

    June 30, 2021 at 7:46 pm

    @Ksmiami: You do realize Nina Turner is also African-American. The issue here is that Nina Turner is a Berniebro of the highest fucking order. I hope she goes down in flames.

  28. 28.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    “Cutting workers in on the deal” is the message. Not bad. Also that his GOP opponents are beholden to Trump and “weak people”. I’m gonna suggest “bad people”. Too mean?

  29. 29.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    @cain:

    This is for after the midterms.

  30. 30.

    PsiFighter37

    June 30, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    @featheredsprite: She’s not a good Democrat, not by a long fucking shot.

    @Kay: Sounds like he’s preparing a losing battle, then. The only way Tim Ryan wins is if some complete nutjob wins the GOP primary. Even Josh Mandel will beat him.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 7:51 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Even Josh Mandel will beat him.

    No, Ryan beats Mandel. No one really likes Mandel.

  32. 32.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    the party’s left flank, which has risen to power with calls for “Medicare for all,” and to “abolish ICE” and “defund the police.”

    Really Jonathan Weisman? The party’s left has risen to power? On those slogans?

  33. 33.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 7:55 pm

    @Kay:

    I sure hope so. My faith in my beloved home state might begin to be restored.

  34. 34.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 7:56 pm

    I love the Democratic Party women. She has 1000 Tim Ryan for Congress signs. Can she use those?

    NO. She cannot.

    So thrifty though! I’m gonna tell her it was a good idea, but the campaign industrial complex has their boot on our neck :)

  35. 35.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 8:00 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Well, we can beat Mandel so keep your fingers crossed.

  36. 36.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 8:02 pm

    @sab:

    Shontel has a lot of respect and a lot of endorsements, so that’s a plus. It might help unify and strengthen the Democratic Party in Ohio.

  37. 37.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 8:06 pm

    @Kay:

    Someone needs to get Emilia Sykes to run for a higher office. She’s awesome in the pointless job of Minority Leader and needs to be elevated to something better.

  38. 38.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2021 at 8:08 pm

    @James E Powell:

    The party’s left has risen to power? On those slogans?

    They certainly seem to think so.

  39. 39.

    Anoniminous

    June 30, 2021 at 8:08 pm

    Apparently New York Grand Jury has handed down indictments against Trump’s company.

    ETA:  Forbes thinks banks will start calling in loans

  40. 40.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 8:10 pm

    @debbie:

    Oh, I’m glad.

    People are such poor listeners. “I never hear ‘rural broadband’. OMG it’s all they talk about. Have they listened to a word of infrastructure? No, of course not.

  41. 41.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2021 at 8:10 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold 23m
    NEW: A Manhattan grand jury has filed indictments against President Trump’s company and its longtime CFO, Allen Weisselberg. Weisselberg will turn himself in tomorrow. Trump Org will also be arraigned in court, represented by a lawyer.

  42. 42.

    Ksmiami

    June 30, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I meant of course I support members of the Democratic Party only.

  43. 43.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    June 30, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    @PsiFighter37: & she’s a former cop. her husband is a cop. her son is a cop.

  44. 44.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    I haven’t lived in Cleveland for over 20 years, so I can’t comment on anything too specific. But it strikes me that “Turner’s donation are almost all from out of town” is one of those parochial Cleveland arguments that might sway some voters.

    The people who will be working hard for Brown include the people who will take her jobs – county party chair & count council member – if she wins.

    Since it’s a special, I’d think ground game is way more important the TV ads, but like I said, I’ve been away a long time.

  45. 45.

    Princess

    June 30, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    @Anoniminous: I am so skeptical that this will amount to anything. I would love to be wrong though!

  46. 46.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2021 at 8:13 pm

    Open thread? Well I sure had a day. I have eyelid dermatitis on the right lower so it’s been covered in eczema goop all day. Picked a nice 104-degree-heat-index day for it (ConEd told us all to maybe use less AC). Oh, and the first ranked-choice simulation is out for NYC mayor. The stats pundits are saying Garcia, the no-name technocrat, is now the favorite over Adams, the cop who lives in Jersey, even though Adams got 10+ more % during the first-choice round. She’s still a little behind in the final round but there are a zillion absentees from her areas not included yet. We should know in a week, lmao.

    Also, I did this!

    I had GPT-3 generate some Culture ship names and they turned out pretty well. pic.twitter.com/1vaNee33dI

    — ☕️ Tynan ? (@TynanPants) July 1, 2021

  47. 47.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 8:13 pm

    This is interesting though- the county chairs are complaining they couldn’t do fundraisers (Covid) and the Republicans did – “no masks or anything”- they have no money.

    I’m amused that Ryan asked them for money and they’re asking him for money :)

  48. 48.

    Anoniminous

    June 30, 2021 at 8:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ​
     

    Rumsfeld croaks and Trump’s fraudulent business has finally been indicted.

    Good day

  49. 49.

    dmsilev

    June 30, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: There will be Tweets tweet-like press releases.

  50. 50.

    Starfish

    June 30, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    @Princess: Great call. There was a lot of out of state money wasted on candidates that did not have a snowball’s chance. There was also a lot of money thrown at people who do good at Twitter but have no real base of support.

  51. 51.

    Anoniminous

    June 30, 2021 at 8:16 pm

    @Princess:

    As am I.  But any money spent on lawyers is money Trump can’t use for another political campaign.  And he’ll be grifting his supporters and there’s more money not going into political campaigning.

  52. 52.

    Starfish

    June 30, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    @bbleh: Can we not do casual misogyny and anti-trans stuff during pride when we try to defend women of color?

  53. 53.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Adams, the cop who lives in Jersey,

    I find this part of it funnier than I probably should, especially when he gave the video tour of the apartment that (as I understand) he owns but his son lives in? Adams is a vegan and he had to explain all the non-vegan food in the refrigerator?

  54. 54.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2021 at 8:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: and he didn’t even try to explain away his son’s sneaker collection in the one bedroom.

    i also learned today that Garcia is an unrepentant pack a day smoker which is weirdly charming.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2021 at 8:22 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    We should know in a week

    Frees up Yang to run for governor.

    //

  56. 56.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2021 at 8:24 pm

    @NotMax: the running gag on Twitter is that he’ll get a food network show and honestly I think that’s a great idea.

  57. 57.

    Another Scott

    June 30, 2021 at 8:24 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It really is amazing.

    NYC Council & Borough President in-person only RCV results being released tomorrow afternoon according to the BOE: https://t.co/z2yU0jNlXt

    — Benjamin Rosenblatt (@BenJ_Rosenblatt) June 30, 2021

    Then comes counting all the non-in-person ballots.

    Maybe the results will hold up after the expected lawsuits, also too.

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  58. 58.

    Splitting Image

    June 30, 2021 at 8:24 pm

    Rep. James Clyburn, Democrat of South Carolina and the highest-ranking Black member of Congress, took a rare step into a party primary to endorse the leading opponent of Nina Turner, who is an outspoken ally of Senator Bernie Sanders.

    Didn’t Clyburn also intervene in some other party primary awhile back? I think it was even one that Bernie Sanders was running in himself, and Clyburn endorsed some guy Bernie was running against. I seem to recall that was a thing that happened?

  59. 59.

    JMG

    June 30, 2021 at 8:26 pm

    Adams lives with his girlfriend in Ft. Lee. But who cares? In other news, my birthday today. Dinner was homemade smoked bluefish pate (by my son), grilled striped bass, green beans with shallot butter (both by me), potato salad made from baby reds (by Alice), chardonnay, and now strawberry shortcake (also Alice, homemade biscuits and whipped cream of course), and champagne (Veuve Cliquot). Since I was up at six to play golf, I anticipate an early bed and good night’s sleep.

  60. 60.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2021 at 8:26 pm

    @Another Scott: credit where due, this guy (who I gather is a NY Dem campaign veteran) called it in real time

    Tom Watson @tomwatson · Jun 22
    Primary Day RCV prediction: it all ends up in court.

  61. 61.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2021 at 8:28 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t see what there is to end up in court over. Waiting a week to run the first simulation without absentees is literally the law, right?

  62. 62.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 8:29 pm

    @Splitting Image: 

    Joe? ?

  63. 63.

    bbleh

    June 30, 2021 at 8:29 pm

    @Starfish: Whaaaaat?  My point is, it’s women — and disproportionately women of color — who are leading the Dems right now, and it seems also the few principled Republicans!

    The men need to step up here.  (How does one turn an overtly anti-masculine insult into misogyny?  I’m genuinely curious…)

  64. 64.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2021 at 8:31 pm

    @JMG

    Have a happy.

  65. 65.

    Fair Economist

    June 30, 2021 at 8:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:How did you ask GPT-3 to make Culture ship names? I’m curious why it went for such snarky names.

    Also, too, I thought NYC elections had pulled back the preliminary final round results because they’d included test ballots.

    Edit: IMO the NYC results are a great example of why we want real and solid audits, everywhere.

  66. 66.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    @Baud: You thought Hakeem Jeffries was the odds on favorite to be next Speaker? Looks like you’ve bought into a “Democrats in Array” narrative.

    I liked Hakeem Jeffries’ comment after a short-lived “primary Jeffries” move among “persons close to AOC” was reported by Politico. This was after the House Caucus Chairman election consequent to the 2018 midterms. Some people (almost certainly Ocasio-Cortez’s Chief of Staff and her Press Secretary) took Jeffries’ win over Barbara Lee hard, promised to primary him, and even said they had a challenger lined up. Jeffries responded, “….Democracy is a beautiful thing. Spread Love, it’s the Brooklyn way.” The last was a saying of the late rapper Biggie Smalls, and some took it as a veiled threat, which it probably was.

    Jefferies is a very good and disciplined communicator. One New York journalist who interviewed him said it was “like interviewing a very handsome robot.” He can also be quite eloquent when he wants to be. The way he took Utah freshman Burgess Owens to the woodshed at a February Judiciary Committee hearing was a thing of beauty. When another Republican interrupted, Jefferies turned and very calmly said, “It’s my time… and you really don’t want any this either.”

    Jeffries’ January 2019 nomination of Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker was an outstanding display of rhetoric that is well worth checking out on youtube. By the time he finished, Jeffries had Pelosi grinning.

  67. 67.

    Another Scott

    June 30, 2021 at 8:35 pm

    Motion for preliminary injunction GRANTED. Thoughts to follow, but this does not portend well for Florida. https://t.co/G59axCFT41 pic.twitter.com/bWZdbvv1ns

    — Ari Cohn (@AriCohn) June 30, 2021

    This is the “don’t talk online about what we don’t like in ways we don’t like, unless you own a huge amusement park in our state” bill in Florida.

    It would be nice if the insane monsters pushing this stuff had to pay 100x court costs, each.

    (via Popehat)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  68. 68.

    Fair Economist

    June 30, 2021 at 8:36 pm

    I figure Hoyer will go for a semi-ceremonial term as Speaker, and I think he’s got a good chance.

  69. 69.

    Starfish

    June 30, 2021 at 8:36 pm

    @bbleh: That’s better. Thank you.

  70. 70.

    bbleh

    June 30, 2021 at 8:39 pm

    @Starfish: You’re welcome, but jeezus wtf? Misogyny?  ?!?

  71. 71.

    PsiFighter37

    June 30, 2021 at 8:40 pm

    @Kay: I am really skeptical about that. Sherrod Brown beat Mandel by 5 points in 2012, and Democrats were in a much better position statewide then than they are now. I know you are from Ohio, but I just do not see it.

    @Major Major Major Major: The NYC BOE is such a major fuckup that no one will ever know what actually happened. Why they are announcing preliminary results, which could very easily change with the arrival of absentee ballots, befuddles me. It speaks to a bunch of crony hires done over decades that is finally coming home to roost. These fuckers could barely handle early voting in 2020…how the hell should I have any confidence that they can perform basic math (which is all RCV is)?

    Whether it is Adams or Garcia (or even Wiley! She was 4th on my ballot), I hope that the whole BOE gets shitcanned, and competent people get put in charge. The folks who volunteer for elections in my district are always very pleasant, but it is clear the people in charge are morons of the highest order.

    Lastly – I do hope Garcia pulls it off. Adams is an opportunist of the highest order, and the whole ‘Living in Jersey’ thing stinks to high heaven. Getting from Fort Lee to Brooklyn, even in good traffic, is a pain in the ass. Garcia seems like someone who, because of her past experience under Bloomberg and de Blasio, has some awareness of how things get done, even if she doesn’t have the natural grease palms built from years of toiling in machine politics.

    At the end of the day, though, Bill de Blasio will be gone by the end of this year, and thank goodness for that. What a lazy fucking asshole. I hope I never have to hear from him again.

  72. 72.

    Starfish

    June 30, 2021 at 8:44 pm

    @bbleh: “Grow a pair” for “Be brave” needs to go into a cliché graveyard. “He might as well be trans” is either saying that women or trans folks are lesser than.

  73. 73.

    PsiFighter37

    June 30, 2021 at 8:44 pm

    @Geminid: As long as he isn’t asleep at the wheel like Joe Crowley was, I do agree that Jeffries will be the odds-on favorite to be the next Democratic leader, regardless of what happens. The fact that the ‘Top 3’ are retiring at the same time, and all are ancient, though, is a true failure of succession planning. Pelosi being in charge for nearly 20 years isn’t the issue, but both Hoyer and Clyburn being her deputies the entire time has been.

    My (very) unpopular opinion, for Balloon Juice? Losing Rahm Emmanuel in the House was, in hindsight, a very big loss. You don’t come across people who will fight bareknuckle politics like him often, and that is what was needed in the House. That’s not to say that he didn’t have his faults otherwise – he definitely did – but he was a very natural successor to Pelosi for House Speaker / Democratic leader.

  74. 74.

    Anoniminous

    June 30, 2021 at 8:45 pm

    @Geminid:

    It would be very strange to have such a junior, as such things are considered, Representative jump to Speaker.  Granted he is the Caucus Chairman.

    But.

    Still.

    ETA: but what do I know?

  75. 75.

    Spanky

    June 30, 2021 at 8:47 pm

    @Fair Economist: Jebus Christ, he’d better not. He’s my rep, and he’s exactly what he looks like, and what we do NOT need.

  76. 76.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I mean we know what happened. They included their test data in the first release. They aren’t allowed to count absentees until the deadline (yesterday) by law, I think, so the only real question is whether it was good to release this halfway partial count or not. Literally every other election releases partial returns so I really don’t this particular thing being a scandal. But yes they’re awful and need to be fundamentally restructured.

    @Fair Economist: I gave it a list of some of the more amusing names, with the title “ship names from Iain m banks’s culture series”. Some of them were actually real ship names so that was interesting.

  77. 77.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    June 30, 2021 at 8:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: 

    The stats pundits are saying Garcia, the no-name technocrat, is now the favorite over Adams

    Which stat heads?

  78. 78.

    Pete Mack

    June 30, 2021 at 8:57 pm

    @Kay:

    Yep, unless you desperately want to watch HDTV movies on your computer, DSL is plenty good for essentially every other use. Even if you expect high volume sales for (say) organic seeds, a vulnerable rural connection just isn’t a good solution.

  79. 79.

    PsiFighter37

    June 30, 2021 at 8:58 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:  The NYC BOE plain-out sucks. Everyone needs to go, full stop. It’s natural that the current clown / Mayor can’t give a serious shit about fixing the issues.

  80. 80.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2021 at 8:59 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    At the end of the day, though, Bill de Blasio will be gone by the end of this year, and thank goodness for that. What a lazy fucking asshole. I hope I never have to hear from him again.

    I am in California and do not know squat about NYC politics, but I really enjoyed reading your comments here.

  81. 81.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2021 at 8:59 pm

    Send $$$$ to the actual DEMOCRAT in the race

    SHONTEL BROWN

  82. 82.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Kay is right about Tim Ryan v Josh Mandel. Nobody likes Mandel. Sherrod Brown only beat Mandel by 5 points, but that was in a year when Republicans swept every other statewide office.

  83. 83.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2021 at 9:02 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I think Hakeem Jefferies has Rahm Emanuals strengths and in his own way is every bit as tough. But I think you may live in the same city. What do you think of the Congressman from Brooklyn?

  84. 84.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2021 at 9:04 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Yes it’s an awful dumb patronage piece of shit.

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: I just check Josh Marshall’s list https://twitter.com/i/lists/706696973345107968

  85. 85.

    PsiFighter37

    June 30, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    @sab: Sure, but not by anywhere close to as wide a margin. Mandel wins against Ryan, unless people in Ohio remember how big a douche Mandel was when he was state SoS.

    @Geminid: Until Jeffries masterminds the kind of massive takeover of the House that Democrats managed in 2006-2010, it’s not even a discussion. I have seen zero evidence that Jeffries is a great political strategist when it comes to electoral politics. Rahm was a master of that, even when it meant pissing off the burgeoning netroots over the kind like Christine Cegelis (remember her? I sure do – a cause de celebre at dKos)

  86. 86.

    laura

    June 30, 2021 at 9:11 pm

    An actual self identified Democrat who has worked to get democrats elected, understands the party, the policies and the people has decided to run for office and is being primaried by a not a democrat who has generated receipts longer than CVS stating her distain for Democrats, the party, the policies and the people. This is a no brainerd. I’m making another donation to Shontel Brown and hope she wins the primary and goes on to win the general.

  87. 87.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    @JMG:

    Happy Birthday! Sounds like a very nice dinner.

  88. 88.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    @laura:

    Pedantry alert: Since there’s no incumbent, I’m not sure it’s accurate to say that someone is being “primaried.”

  89. 89.

    Martin

    June 30, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    Man, Maddow opens her obit for Rumsfeld with the story of him buying Mt Misery, the plantation where Frederick Douglass was sent to be broken while a slave. Guessing this won’t be a rousing send off of the old boy.

  90. 90.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    @Martin:

    I could see Maddow doing a little dance at the end of the segment.

  91. 91.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Ryan is my Congressman. He is a really good campaigner. His district is heavily gerrymandered, and he lives on the eastern side. He has become very popular on the western side. He does keep in touch. He certainly won’t be out with a ridiculously fake Appalachian accent (like Mandel), although his district is partly in Appalachia.

    He is a solid liberal Democrat. He was horrible for years on guns and abortion. He has really turned around on those issues since he married a school teacher.

  92. 92.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 30, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    All the black women I follow on Twitter are Brown’s corner. I’m hoping that Bernie sis goes down in flames

  93. 93.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 9:20 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    You might be surprised how many people have not forgotten Mandel’s SoS campaign where he called his African American opponent a Muslim and refused to apologize, even though the opponent was widely known as a Christian.

  94. 94.

    Baud

    June 30, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    @debbie:

    It worked though.

  95. 95.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    @Baud:

    ?

  96. 96.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    @sab:

    In these times, a Democrat winning Ohio by 5 points is not winning by “only” 5 points.

  97. 97.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Why do you say that Mandel would win? Even though it was 13 years ago, my 13 years of living in Columbus and working with and for Democrats say Ryan would have a pretty good shot.

    And it’s pretty tough to pull off masterminding a Democratic takeover of the House when you already hold the majority.

  98. 98.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:27 pm

    @James E Powell: I agree completely. I think most of that 5 points was earned by Brown, but Mandel is not popular with anyone.

  99. 99.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    Representative Ben Ray Luhan of New Mexico held a fairly high position in the Democratic Caucus, and was thought of as a potential successor to Speaker Pelosi. Then Senator Udall announced his retirement, and now Luhan holds that Senate seat.

    But there are other capable men and women in the Democratic caucus in addition to Hakeem Jeffries. Except for the few “stars,” people tend to underate Democratic members of Congress. When an unknown like a Demings, a Raskin or a Neguse shines in a high profile impeachment trial, it is a revelation to people. But there are plenty of others like them in the Caucus that we don’t hear about.

    I thought the House Democratic class of 2018 was a very impressive bunch, especially the forty who flipped red seats. A few of these could not make it past last year’s election, but most did and I think we’ll see a lot from them in the future. If we look.

  100. 100.

    Martin

    June 30, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I would note two things:

    1. NY elections were horrifically badly administered when I lived there decades ago. It seems nothing has changed. It’s not hard to keep tabs on a tally, yet they managed to fuck even that up.
    2. In RCV, votes move as candidates are eliminated. That makes it difficult to present results data in a piecemeal manner that isn’t wildly confusing to the public. IMO, the best strategy would be to only release complete results that demonstrate how each candidate is eliminated. Other elections can release partial results because votes don’t move.

    If you want your election to be accused of fraud, presenting confusing data is a great way to get that ball rolling. Fucking up the basic tally will all but assure it.

  101. 101.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    I do miss the days of my youth, when the joke in Ohio was that anyone with the last name of Brown would win unless they ran against another Brown. I believw Sherrod Brown did beat another Brown early on.

  102. 102.

    Another Scott

    June 30, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    (Twitter seems to be down.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  103. 103.

    Morzer

    June 30, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’ve yet to be indicted.

    Just remember that the night is dark and full of terriers.

  104. 104.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    @Morzer: I prefer spaniels.

  105. 105.

    Martin

    June 30, 2021 at 9:33 pm

    @Geminid: We’re not naming Jeffries as the heir apparent because he seems better than the others. We’re naming him because Pelosi has all but put his name on the door. She wants him to be the next speaker, and most of us have learned to not bet against her.

    I think we all agree there are numerous House members that would be excellent in the job. She seems to have picked him.

  106. 106.

    laura

    June 30, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    @Baud: thanks! I’m off my game what with Rummy kicking and Cosby pudding popping out of the slammer. Pedant away.

  107. 107.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    @debbie: There are some wild stories coming out about the Mandel campaign. The campaign treasurer is said to be demanding and abusive, and two fundraisers just quit because of this. Word is that when she’s not screaming at her subordinates, the treasurer is out in the hall screaming at Mandel, and he is screaming back. The two have dating for some time now.

  108. 108.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    June 30, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    It looks like Garcia will be the first female mayor in New York City’s 355 year history.​
     

    If only Archie Bunker had lived to see this.

  109. 109.

    raven

    June 30, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    The board of trustees at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill voted Wednesday to grant tenure to award-winning journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones after facing backlash from Black students and faculty who said the board’s initial failure to do so reflected a history of systemic racism at the school.

  110. 110.

    Ruckus

    June 30, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Rahm is, in my opinion, not a good replacement for Nancy. He seems to have lost that loving feeling for the current democratic party. Yes he knows how to get things done in DC, or at least he did. But I’m not sure he has more than a whisper of a clue any longer. But the big CA replacement need is Feinstein. In the last 10 yrs no one of any consequence has tried to run against her and given CA politics and elections, I don’t have a clue who might replace her, but she is way past her due date and I doubt seriously that any republican can make a dent here in state wide politics. We had some republican clown from NJ move here and run for governor and he lost big time. Considering the email I got, supposedly from his wife, tell us what great kind of man he is and that CA would be so much better off with him as governor, and the shellacking he took I doubt any republican will win a statewide contest. Or come close.

  111. 111.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    @Geminid: Damn. I hope he doesn’t screw up winning the primary.

  112. 112.

    raven

    June 30, 2021 at 9:42 pm

    @sab:
    Savoy Brown Raw Sienna And Other Shades Of Brown

  113. 113.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:43 pm

    @Ruckus: Agreed.  Rahm didn’t think it was a good time to go for the ACA (Obamacare.) Which turned out to be a BFD. Just because he is ruthless doesn’t mean his political instincts are any good.

  114. 114.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    @Martin: Oh, I’m not saying there are other representatives as good as Jeffries for the job of Speaker, just that if he was not available there would be other good candidates who had the requisite talent and work ethic. And I think Pelosi picked Jeffries because she and her confidantes believe he is the best choice. I’ve been beating the Jeffries drum here for the past year.

  115. 115.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 9:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Want my spaniel? Lovely sweet dog, but the grooming is an issue. They sure can mat up.

  116. 116.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 9:51 pm

    @sab: Can’t have a dog in my current place.  Besides, it would be cruel to deprive you.

  117. 117.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 9:54 pm

    @Geminid:

    Sounds like a fun couple.

  118. 118.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 30, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    @debbie: Well, they are Republicans.

  119. 119.

    debbie

    June 30, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    @raven:

    About time.

  120. 120.

    artem1s

    June 30, 2021 at 9:59 pm

    yes please donate to Shontel Brown if you have the means.  Nina Turner is a poseur of the worst sort.  If she loses this race (I pray she does) she will forever pop up and cause problems for us locally.  But at least the toxicity won’t be nationalized.  I’m sick to death of these rich white suburban kid libertarians, contrarians, and faux green party, attention whore hacks whose only goal seems to be tearing up everything around them.  They have no idea how bad a rep Turner will be for the district and how much they need actual, competent representation. All those kids care about is the next reality show puppet they can parade around their circus tent for click bait and attention.  As soon as they get someone to forgive their student debt, they will be right back wallowing in their nice white NIMBY bedroom communities ignoring the chaos they are creating.  I despise them with the heat of ten thousand super novas.

    It would be a sad day if they get to defile Stephanie Tubbs-Jones’ and Lou Stokes old seat with their petty grievances because the Democratic Party refused to bend the knee to Bernie.

  121. 121.

    glc

    June 30, 2021 at 10:00 pm

    Another view (Doctorow):

    https://pluralistic.net/2021/06/30/based/#high-bidders

  122. 122.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 10:09 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sorry about your small place. He lives with a pitbull (who eats his dry food) and six cats. He would love to rehome.  He used to be the only dog of an 80 year old widower.

  123. 123.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 10:11 pm

    @glc: Yikes!

  124. 124.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 10:20 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    It’s just the “only 5 points” doesn’t mean anything in a reddish state. By 5 is tops for the D.  The Republican will always get 45. The whole span is 5. Obama won by 3 in ’12 and they never,ever doubted it. They said “by 3” in like June of that year.

  125. 125.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    @sab:

    My intro to Ohio statewide politics was in 1978. I recall there were Browns all over the ballot. Being from Cleveland, I was used there being numerous Corrigans.

  126. 126.

    Kay

    June 30, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    Sherrod’s luncheon is tomorrow.

    It’s at the UAW hall so I’m calling it a luncheon just to annoy people :)

    Last time they stuck me with the anti-frackers. Dear God, no.

  127. 127.

    James E Powell

    June 30, 2021 at 10:29 pm

    @raven:

    One of the most influential albums on my early guitar playing. For some reason that & Blue Matter are not available on streaming services.

  128. 128.

    frosty

    June 30, 2021 at 10:33 pm

    @laura: ​
      Hi Laura. O/T – I saw your comments about a rowing machine yesterday. I bought a used Concept 2 Model C last year for $500. It was from a Jacksonville FL club downsizing its indoor rowing. He was delivering some to DC so I met him and picked one up.

    I think I saw the listing on row2k.com. I love it. I was in the Baltimore Rowing Club in the 80s until life got complicated (grad school, kids) and would go back again now if it was closer. It’s a great activity, hits a trifecta: exercise, socializing, and you’re on the water.

  129. 129.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2021 at 10:38 pm

    @sab: I saw a recent poll that showed Mandel at 24% among Republicans, and Timken at 21%. At 4%, author J.D. Vance at least is not peaking too early. The contest has not yet gotten really nasty, but that will come. I also read that there are Republicans who adamantly oppose Governor DeWine’s reelection because of his responsible approach to the pandemic. Next year could produce a lot of hard feelings among Ohio Republicans, and that would not help them going into November.

    On the other hand, my impression is that Tim Ryan is the clear leader in the race for Senator and is a popular consensus pick among Ohio Democrats. I know little about the nomination contest for Governor except that there is at least one good mayor running.  And that whover wins can pound a $1.2 billion power ripoff down the Republicans’ throats. Even if the direct opponent can claim clean hands, the Democrat can make it about their corrupt Party. 

    You Ohio Democrats will have an interesting political year in 2022. I hope you are smiling in the end.

  130. 130.

    Tenar Arha

    June 30, 2021 at 10:44 pm

    I did. She’s one of the candidates recommended by Higher Heights, so I  decided to throw in some $ directly to her campaign before tonight’s deadline.

  131. 131.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 10:44 pm

    @James E Powell: Now they are all Russos.

  132. 132.

    frosty

    June 30, 2021 at 11:01 pm

    @raven: ​
      College friends had all of Savoy Brown’s albums and played them relentlessly, to the point that I couldn’t figure out the attraction. In recent years I’ve come around to really liking them.

    Thanks to my friends I caught a triple bill at the Hollywood Palladium circa 1971 of Wishbone Ash, Savoy Brown, and Fleetwood Mac. One of the few concerts I saw that’s in the same league as all of the awesome ones you’ve posted about,

  133. 133.

    sab

    June 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    To lurch this thread back on track. Ohio 11. Many candidates, but front runnners are Shontel Brown ( beloved in Cleveland) , and Nina Turner ( beloved by MSNBC and Cleveland’s mayor.)

  134. 134.

    Geminid

    July 1, 2021 at 12:13 am

    @PsiFighter37: Well, Hakeem Jeffries served on the Democratic House Communications Commitee in 2018, along with Cheri Bustos (IL) and David Cicciline (RI). They were in charge of messaging strategy for the midterms, and their guidance to candidates was thought to have contributed to the Democrats’ 40 seat gain that year.

    Jeffries’ political skills as Caucus leader are mainly exercized behind the scenes, and he has only held that post since January 2019. But the caucus has been more or less cohesive over this time period. There was a heated progressive/moderate blow-up in July, 2019 over emergency border funding that went on for over a week. People may remember some back and forth between the Speaker and the NY14 representative, but there was a lot more going on. The Democrats seemed to have come out of it the stronger, though, and since then the House Democrats have been very unified in action, however some of them might talk.

    Congressman Jeffries’ deserves some credit for this. And, besides his leadership skills, Jefferies is in my opinion a first rate public communicator, focused and concise. That may be the most important political skill of all.

  135. 135.

    columbusqueen

    July 1, 2021 at 12:54 am

    @artem1s: Let me echo this. Nina is nuttier than a fruitcake & absolutely destructive.  Sending her to Congress instead of a locked mental ward is a disaster in the making.

  136. 136.

    Geminid

    July 1, 2021 at 1:16 am

    @columbusqueen: One kind of funny thing about this race is how Turner, once she realized that this seat might be won, has tried to present as a nice person. She’s not very good at it.

  137. 137.

    Hob

    July 1, 2021 at 4:09 am

    “Nina Turner, a hero to the left”

    “Nina Turner, a hero to the left”

    “Nina Turner, a hero to the left”

    It’s the weirdest thing, I keep rereading the above sequence of letters and punctuation but I still can’t decipher its intended meaning.

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