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You are here: Home / Politics / Biden Administration in Action / Saturday Morning Open Thread: TGI the Long Weekend

Saturday Morning Open Thread: TGI the Long Weekend

by Anne Laurie|  July 3, 20216:23 am| 166 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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Biden White House is planning events to celebrate progress on coronavirus, though US fell short of his Fourth of July vaccination goal. @POTUS flies to Michigan Saturday, and hosts 1,000+ essential workers and military families for a BBQ on Sunday.@jenepshttps://t.co/7BhwhMPvBc

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) June 29, 2021

(America-centric, I know.)

One of the great benefits of having a 78-year-old president is that he can just kill memes instantly by tweeting them. This is a step in the right direction, and I hope to see more of it. https://t.co/qpxf3rWcs1

— Yair Rosenberg (@Yair_Rosenberg) July 1, 2021

If you really wanna play this game you need to acknowledge that the 21st century versions of the Great Depression, Vietnam, and the Spanish Flu were all *significantly* less bad than their 20th century equivalents. And 21st century Nixon was way less competent. https://t.co/H4MkgrLUnH

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) July 2, 2021


Core dump! howled the Spousal Unit, when I read this to him:

My theory is that the Y2K bug was real and caused some people to forget everything we learned in the 20th century.

— James Phillips (@Arlecchinoswart) July 2, 2021

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166Comments

  1. 1.

    raven

    July 3, 2021 at 6:25 am

    Well, at least there is soccer and then the Hawks!

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 6:26 am

    Three cheers for Chubby! Happy holiday!

  3. 3.

    Ten Bears

    July 3, 2021 at 6:34 am

    It has my conviction since Y2K that the Y2K nuts had it right, they just didn’t quite get their grubby little fingers wrapped all the way around it. It has also been my conviction since about that time that history, if there is a history, historians, if there are historians, will mark the appointment by an ideologically stacked court of non-elected actively partisan vigilantes of the scion of Hitler financing, old school Robber Baron money with limited intellect, less education and no experience to the highest office in the land as the End of America. We are where we are on mere momentum. That has run out.

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 6:46 am

    The slope on a graph for the proliferation of overt nutballitude runs parallel with that of the ubiquity of bottled water.

    Now, correlation is not causation. But still….

  5. 5.

    YY_Sima Qian

    July 3, 2021 at 6:47 am

    On the Dan Drezner/Noah Smith tweet, I think they forgot that WW I happened in the 20th Century, too. If the current Great Power Rivalry is to descend into global warfare, it will more resemble WW I (though the combatants will surely seek to evoke WW II). It would be just as tragic, just as avoidable (or should have been). With the ICBM & nuclear weapons, it could very well be much more ruinous than WW I, though perhaps shorter in duration.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 6:54 am

    @YY_Sima Qian

    Cue Professor Lehrer.

    ;)

  7. 7.

    Mousebumples

    July 3, 2021 at 7:07 am

    @raven: Correction – Go Bucks! #FearTheDeer

    ? In all seriousness, i expect the series to go 7,and hope my team will win at home on Monday. ?

  8. 8.

    Baud

    July 3, 2021 at 7:12 am

    The 1990s made people soft.

  9. 9.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 7:15 am

    I checked out a N.Y. Daily News update on the New York City mayoral race. Primary day ballots have been counted, ranked choices allocated, and Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams has a 14,000 vote lead over former Sanitation Comissioner K. Garcia. Counting of  ~130,000 mail-in absentee ballots has begun. The hapless Board of Elections promises an interim update this coming Tuesday, but the election outcome may not be known for two more weeks. Attorney Maya Wiley is close behind Ms. Garcia, and can still win. Voter turnout approached 1 million, much higher than in recent mayoral primaries.

    NYC internet magazine Gothamist has an interesting look at the mayoral vote, titled “A Tale of Three Cities.”

  10. 10.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:15 am

    @Baud: !!//

  11. 11.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 7:17 am

    @raven: It’s too bad the Hawks lost DeAndre Hunter. They could really use him.

  12. 12.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:18 am

    @Geminid: Ranked voting. Other places do it okay, but the NYC version seems tailor made to make people distrust the whole voting vote counting process. So I hope it never comes to Ohio, because we can fuck up anything.

  13. 13.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 7:24 am

    @sab

    The Texas/Arizona/Georgia legislatures will vote to nullify the NYC results anyway.

    //

  14. 14.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:27 am

    @NotMax: What are you doing up at this hour? Early even here in EDT?

    My dog has fleas, so I am awake at all sorts of odd hours when she feels compulsed to scratch maddly.

  15. 15.

    raven

    July 3, 2021 at 7:29 am

    @Mousebumples: 

    Giannis Antetokounmpo listed as doubtful, Trae Young questionable for Game 6

  16. 16.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:29 am

    @NotMax: Also too, I like many Texans I have known, but if they cannot get a handle on things governmental we should let them secede with their awesome electrical grid.

  17. 17.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:33 am

    @NotMax: I keep hoping Ohio remembers its (small d) democratic roots.

  18. 18.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:35 am

    We are not doing very well by Voces Frontera in Wisconsin.

  19. 19.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 7:35 am

    @sab: I have reservations about RCV, but a bonehead mistake by the BOE was the major problem thus far. They mistakenly added 135,000 test ballots when they issued an interim count some days ago. The error was so obvious the Adams campaign called it out soon after. But initially, the faulty totals showed Garcia about to overtake Adams, so it was a double sensation.

    I believe the prior system mandated a runoff if no candidate exceeded 40%. Some politicians want to go back to that. I like runoffs, but this is a minority view. RCV promises a quicker result (even if absentee ballots are counted so late), and we now live in an age of impatience.

  20. 20.

    YY_Sima Qian

    July 3, 2021 at 7:36 am

    @NotMax: A golden oldie!

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 7:39 am

    @sab

    A welcome nap embraced the bod from 8:30 to midnight; only 1:30 a.m. here at the moment.

  22. 22.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 7:47 am

    Puns in the morning. ??‍♀️

  23. 23.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 7:55 am

    Dobby the demon housecat saw his original owner ( my granddaughter) and stood up full height on his hindlegs to hug her and say he loved her. Then she went home.

    So he crawled up on my lap, let me scratch his head for a long while, then he crawled on my chest and nuzzled  my neck for a while. It was pleasant but terrifying. He has claws and uses them.

    I think he is one one of those cats who wants to be loving but gets overstimulated.

    My husband loves cats and cats love him, but he loves overstimulating them until they go berserk. Does not work with a damaged little guy like Dobby. Grand-daughter happened to mention that Dobby is terrified of men. Would have been good to know that. We were counting on husband’s cat charisma

    ETA It would be generally useful if men worked a bit more on being less terrifying (stop yelling in discussions.)

  24. 24.

    Barbara

    July 3, 2021 at 7:57 am

    @Geminid: RCV means no candidate gets the advantage of reduced turnout in the subsequent run off. To me, this is its biggest advantage.

  25. 25.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 7:58 am

    @sab

    How would hubby look in drag?

    ;)

  26. 26.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 7:58 am

    Today, I think I’ll watch a bit of whatever action survives the rain and thunder at Wimbeldon (aka#poshfucksuperspreadevent)

    Then I’ll prepare some garlic and chive mash to go with slow cooked belly pork and settle down to enjoy the Euro Quarter Finals, following that with a few episodes of Lovecraft Country and an early night.

    Politics can go swivel for a day or two.

  27. 27.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:00 am

    @NotMax: Very large and also plump.

  28. 28.

    rikyrah

    July 3, 2021 at 8:02 am

    Good Morning, Everyone???

  29. 29.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:02 am

    @Tony Jay: Y’all do have good food.

  30. 30.

    rikyrah

    July 3, 2021 at 8:03 am

    @Tony Jay:

    Sounds like a plan

  31. 31.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:03 am

    @rikyrah: Where’s Baud?

  32. 32.

    Baud

    July 3, 2021 at 8:08 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  33. 33.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 3, 2021 at 8:08 am

    @Baud: This is not entirely wrong.

  34. 34.

    JPL

    July 3, 2021 at 8:11 am

    @NotMax:   I did not know that and I love fried clams.

  35. 35.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 3, 2021 at 8:12 am

    @NotMax: Not as good as me, I would say.

  36. 36.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:14 am

    Landlady listed house for sale and got 40 offers in one day! Even after severely mangling the shrubbery. This housing market is hot.

    ETA Zillow says that at listed price the payment would be $750. That is less than I paid to rent  a cabin in Marin County in 1987.

    Good luck reselling when we eventually get normal interest rates. People buy by mortgage payment, not by house price.

  37. 37.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    July 3, 2021 at 8:14 am

    @rikyrah, @Baud:

    Good morning! ?

  38. 38.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 3, 2021 at 8:16 am

    @sab: It is not sane.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    July 3, 2021 at 8:16 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    This is not entirely wrong.

    The quality of my comments is improving.

  40. 40.

    Starfish

    July 3, 2021 at 8:20 am

    @raven: I see you took Anne Laurie’s earlier post to heart and will be trying falconry.

  41. 41.

    germy

    July 3, 2021 at 8:20 am

    Wow

    Just read through Rep Mo Brooks (R-AL) legal filing today defending himself in lawsuit filed by Rep Eric Swalwell (D-CA) alleging Brooks helped incite the US Capitol insurrection with "start taking down names and kicking ass" speech

    It's quite something

    (thread) pic.twitter.com/JU9xTRmu4Z

    — Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 2, 2021

  42. 42.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 8:20 am

    @Barbara: That is an advantage for RCV.

    Runoffs are unpredictable. I remember people writing off Georgia Senate candidates Warnock and Ossoff because historically the dropoff in Democratic turnout was greater than for Republicans. In the event, Ossoff’s vote dropoff was ~100,000, and Perdue’s was more like 200,000. Warnock polled slightly ahead of Ossoff.

    Stacey Abrams could take a bow on this one. So could troublemaking attorney Lin Wood. But instead he packed his carpetbag, moved to South Carolina, and ran for Republican State Chairman. The Republican establishment-types were able to fend Wood off, though

  43. 43.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 8:21 am

    @sab:

    I’m getting all the good eating in before #Brexitbenefits results in us eating grass, worms and each others’ bellybutton lint.

  44. 44.

    Starfish

    July 3, 2021 at 8:21 am

    @sab: Is that the monthly price on a thirty-year mortgage?

    I am not sure when interest rates will return to sane. The current housing situation is completely unsustainable though.

  45. 45.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 8:22 am

    @JPL:

    I miss HoJo’s fried clams.

  46. 46.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 8:24 am

    @Baud: no way you would have thrived in the nba of that era, though.

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 8:24 am

    @Tony Jay

    Gird up now for The Marmite Riots of ’22.

    //

  48. 48.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 8:26 am

    @germy:

    His words were “softening”?  //

  49. 49.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 8:26 am

    @rikyrah:

    Currently watching 18 year old New British Sensation Emma Raducanu stomping all over the racist underpinnings of our New National Ethos by being the daughter of Chinese and Rumanian immigrants.

    I’m sure they’ll love her until she loses.

  50. 50.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:27 am

    @Tony Jay: I hope the Scots are refurbishing and reinforcing Hadrians Wall.

  51. 51.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 8:28 am

    @sab: the neoliberal establishment democrat party rigged both the type of ranked choice & the counting of it to screw over adjunct of #ourrevolution andrew yang. this is just the ny democrat presidential primary 2016 & iowa caucus 2020 all over again. #bernieshouldvewon

  52. 52.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:28 am

    @NotMax: Are marmite and vegemite the same thing? I prefer peanut butter, but that is just me.

  53. 53.

    germy

    July 3, 2021 at 8:29 am

    Fuck the Olympics. Not watching, and am actively not supporting businesses that fund them. https://t.co/5y2GFrRi4w

    — John Cole (@Johngcole) July 3, 2021

  54. 54.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 8:30 am

    @sab: this housing market is hot

    like seven inches from the midday sun.

  55. 55.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 8:31 am

    @sab: Hadrian Pict a good location for his Wall.

  56. 56.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:31 am

    @Starfish: I think it is. Amazing.

  57. 57.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 8:31 am

    @Geminid: lin wood: more or less revanchist than katon dawson?

  58. 58.

    germy

    July 3, 2021 at 8:32 am

    @debbie:

    As such, he should be hanged for treason.

  59. 59.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:32 am

    @Geminid: Sss. Yes he did. But rainy.

  60. 60.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 8:32 am

    @Tony Jay: big andy murray energy.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 8:34 am

    @sab

    Same genus, different species.

    Marmite — named after a type of French cooking pot — was discovered in the late 19th Century by German scientist Justus Freiherr von Liebig, the so-called “father of the fertilizer industry” who also trademarked the Oxo stock cube. The Marmite Food Extract Company then started bottling the black paste in Burton upon Trent in 1902 and opened a second factory in London in 1907, before a milder version was exported to Australia and New Zealand, and the spread — rich in Vitamin B — was added to soldiers’ rations during World War One.

    Like so much of Australian culture, Vegemite was basically a rip-off of the British original. A Melbourne chemist by the name of Cyril Percy Callister developed Australia’s own salty black paste in 1919 after Marmite imports were disrupted by the War, using offcuts from the Carlton & United Brewery blended with salt, celery and onion extracts. Source

    Somehow fitting it was first concocted by an expert in fertilizers.

  62. 62.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 8:34 am

    @NotMax:

    You want to see my store cupboards. Come ’26 I’ll be the Condiment King of New South Angmar.

    Also, mastering choux pastry to fit in with the other post-Fall warlords. By our profiteroles shall they know us.

  63. 63.

    MattF

    July 3, 2021 at 8:35 am

    Speaking of disgusting English ‘food ‘.

  64. 64.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 8:35 am

    @debbie: mo brooks: salt peter of the reichwing.

    i wonder when infamous political consultant sen. hockdog amergikag loogar of alabama will complete his kkklay travis like heel turn & start working for brooks?

  65. 65.

    Suzanne

    July 3, 2021 at 8:36 am

    @Starfish: I am really concerned about it. I am thinking of selling my place soon and I’m really stressed about buying anything else.

  66. 66.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 8:36 am

    @germy:

    I’m waiting for TFG to turn on Ron Johnson for signing that letter to end tariffs on China.

  67. 67.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 8:36 am

    @Suzanne:

    Are you leaving Pittsburgh?

  68. 68.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    July 3, 2021 at 8:37 am

    Noah Smith via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    We’ve been replaying all the 20th Century’s Greatest Hits.

    Vietnam War 2:✅

    Great Depression 2:✅

    Nixon 2:✅

    I’m a little confused by this.

    Is Vietnam War 2 supposed to be the War in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, or the War on Terror?

    Is Great Depression 2 supposed to be the market crash that occurred under Republican President George W. Bush in his last year, or is it supposed to be the market crash that occurred under Republican President Donald J. Trump in his last year?

    Is Nixon 2 supposed to be Bush fils or Trump?​

    Daniel Drezner:

    If you really wanna play this game you need to acknowledge that the 21st century versions of the Great Depression, Vietnam, and the Spanish Flu were all *significantly* less bad than their 20th century equivalents. And 21st century Nixon was way less competent.

    Okay, but can we agree that there seem to be 2-3 times as many of each in a quarter of the time that it took the 20th C. to rack them up?​

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 8:37 am

    @Geminid

    Now picturing Stallone, in tartan trunks, on the north side of the wall, bellowing “Hadrian!”

  70. 70.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:42 am

    Adopted stepdaughter’s cat and pitbull last month. Cat seems okay but a bit scary (claws.)

    Pitbull is a doll. We were not expecting that. The cat that terrorized our late lamented rottmix thinks the pitbull is a great addtion.

    Two dogs, six cats. Only issue is new boy cat, and older girl cat he wants to be friends with. Her motto : No means no, you nitwit.

  71. 71.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 8:42 am

    @sab:

    I’m hoping they move it a couple of hundred miles south. We can arrange population exchanges (Tory voting racist Red Wallers for the inhabitants of the South’s civilised urban enclaves) and institute a policy of “Nae bellends past Buxton”.

    It’s a plan.

  72. 72.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 3, 2021 at 8:43 am

    @Suzanne: Maybe rent for a year or so?

  73. 73.

    Ken

    July 3, 2021 at 8:46 am

    @NotMax: For some reason I thought vegemite was made from vegetables, and marmite from marmots meat. Now that I know they’re both made from repurposed brewery waste, I will continue not consuming them.

  74. 74.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:47 am

    @Tony Jay: Good luck.

    Maybe you should try primaries, instead of the tiny fraction of enrolled party members deciding who the next PM will be.

    Also too, burn Nick Clegg at some stake. ( American here. We love violence.)

  75. 75.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 8:50 am

    @NotMax: Hadrian’s instructions to his Governor: “Send your engineers north with two cohorts of soldiers. Have them survey the population along the way.  When the people start having more tatoos than teeth, have the engineers lay out a good line and start building my Wall.

  76. 76.

    raven

    July 3, 2021 at 8:51 am

    @sab: My stepmom sold her and my dad’s house in Phoenix fo4 40K over listing and it went in one day.

  77. 77.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:52 am

    @NotMax: As a non-Brit and a non-Aussie they always tasted like fertilizer. That high salt content cannot be healthy, even for children.

  78. 78.

    raven

    July 3, 2021 at 8:52 am

    @Suzanne: Buy first, that’s what my stepmom in North Phoenix dd.

  79. 79.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 8:55 am

    @raven:

    The other day, I was skimming sales in the very affluent neighborhood north of where I live. Four Three $1,000,000+ properties were sold after only one day on the market! I can’t imagine moving that quickly on something so expensive.

  80. 80.

    raven

    July 3, 2021 at 8:56 am

    @debbie: It won’t last. A million ain’t zip in a lot of places.

  81. 81.

    New Deal democrat

    July 3, 2021 at 8:56 am

    US average new COVID cases now up 2,200/day from low of 11,300 10 days ago.

    Number of States with rising new cases over the past 2 weeks up to 21. Of those, 6 States – including FL, which was so sure the pandemic was over it reduced reporting to once a week – have full-fledged outbreaks, averaging over 10 cases/day per 100,000 (equivalent to early last summer).

    But the worst news is out of the U.K., where the upward trend in deaths has started following the exponential trend in cases with a 4 week lag.

  82. 82.

    Ken

    July 3, 2021 at 8:56 am

    @sab: the tiny fraction of enrolled party members deciding who the next PM will be.

    I’m still unclear on that, despite Tony Jay’s 18,000-word explainer (of which 15,000 words were “prat” or “wanker”). Is that process part of UK law, or was it just something the Tories made up when May resigned?

  83. 83.

    Suzanne

    July 3, 2021 at 8:57 am

    @debbie: Don’t know? It’s more that we have improved this house and I might want something a bit more suburban next time.

  84. 84.

    Suzanne

    July 3, 2021 at 8:58 am

    @raven: Yeah, but I don’t have another big wad of cash lying around. Some of these properties that are selling are all-cash offers. I can’t compete with that.

  85. 85.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 8:58 am

    @Tony Jay:  Good luck with Scots approval.

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 9:01 am

    @sab

    Then there’s whole beans on toast thing….

    ;0

  87. 87.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:01 am

    @Ken: Not Brit so don’t know, but my understanding is PM candidate determined by enrolled dues paying members of each party, which is fractional percentage of members of British electorate. I.e. like a few hundred members decide.

  88. 88.

    Cermet

    July 3, 2021 at 9:03 am

    @YY_Sima Qian: When AGW really bites (not this very, very minor heat wave and the ridiculous worry about ocean rise) world war will be almost unavoidable. As I never (nor will I) tire of pointing out – most of India (over a billion people), south east Asia (nearly half a billion) and so many other places will be uninhabitable by the 2050’s. You think these people will go quietly into the night so we can live our lives of comfort?

  89. 89.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:03 am

    @NotMax: I like beans on toast. Solid start to the day. Better than all carb waffles.

  90. 90.

    New Deal democrat

    July 3, 2021 at 9:04 am

    @Starfish: House prices are insane, but with mortgage rates of about 3.10%, monthly payments are not that high historically – nowhere near the 2005 peak.

  91. 91.

    New Deal democrat

    July 3, 2021 at 9:05 am

    @Suzanne: It’s a bad time to upsize, but the best time I’ve ever seen to downsize.

  92. 92.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    July 3, 2021 at 9:06 am

    @Ken:

    … Tony Jay’s 18,000-word explainer (of which 15,000 words were “prat” or “wanker”) …

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    Old words are good. Short words are good. Old words when short are best. – Winston Churchill​

    Obscenities and other terms of approbation are usually among the shortest and oldest words in the English language.

  93. 93.

    germy

    July 3, 2021 at 9:06 am

    @Cermet: 

    Who will take in Florida Man?

  94. 94.

    Suzanne

    July 3, 2021 at 9:06 am

    @New Deal democrat: The problem is that if you buy an expensive house with a low interest rate, you can’t refinance to lower that payment.

  95. 95.

    Suzanne

    July 3, 2021 at 9:07 am

    @New Deal democrat: I would probably same-size if we sell in the next couple of years.

  96. 96.

    ian

    July 3, 2021 at 9:08 am

    @Geminid:

    NYC is fouling the waters for other reformers across the country.  The people running their BOE should be ashamed of themselves.

  97. 97.

    James Phillips

    July 3, 2021 at 9:12 am

    Sure is weird seeing a tweet that I wrote.

  98. 98.

    Amir Khalid

    July 3, 2021 at 9:12 am

    @sab:

    I once watched Hugh Jackman teaching an American late-night host — Letterman, maybe — how to spread Vegemite on toast: you put on as thin a layer as you can, so that the saltiness doesn’t overwhelm you. I’m still not sure I’d want to try it; Vegemite is probably the Aussie equivalent of Europe’s favourite stinky mouldy cheeses.

  99. 99.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2021 at 9:13 am

    @Suzanne: It’s temporary.  But whether prices stop rising then stay flat for 10 years, or stop rising then fall 25%, is anyone’s guess.  Inventory is slowly rising; framing lumber is approaching normal prices again.  But demographics is still a thing and too many MotUs still have too much cash to dump into homes as rentals, AirBnBs, etc.

    Watch inventory.  And interest rates.

    https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/

    Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  100. 100.

    Steeplejack

    July 3, 2021 at 9:19 am

    This is the first morning that I have remembered in real time to watch the Tour de France, which in past years was one of my video wallpaper mainstays. It’s a rainy afternoon in the Alps—a bit past Cruseilles, France, according to a sign I saw a little while ago. About 20 miles south of Geneva, Switzerland. Today’s stage is the first of two in the mountains, from Oyannax to Le Grand-Bornand. No hard climbs so far, but there are some coming up. And the last 10 miles will be a downhill run from 5,300 feet to 3,000 feet altitude. Might be dicey if the rain starts up again.

    Here in NoVA it’s sunny and 67°, going up only to about 80° today. Humid, of course (67%), but very pleasant.

    Looks like it might be drizzling now on the Tour. Hard to tell on the TV. (Coverage is on NBC Sports Network.)

  101. 101.

    New Deal democrat

    July 3, 2021 at 9:20 am

    @Suzanne: If you are talking a couple of years from now, the pricing situation is likely to be very different.

    The issue I see is will be whether the Fed raises interest rates to put the brakes on the economy.

  102. 102.

    jeffreyw

    July 3, 2021 at 9:21 am

    Hummingbird Moths pic.twitter.com/o7UZmVC6U7— jeffreyw (@imjeffreyw) July 3, 2021

  103. 103.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 3, 2021 at 9:22 am

    Mr DAW is watching Formula One practice, and there’s a driver named Lando. Is that a common first name somewhere? Is is possible the guy is named after Lando Calrissian?

  104. 104.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 9:23 am

    @Starfish: I live near a hotspot where house prices have shot through the roof. But the runup in house priced seems to extend widely, well beyond hotspots like Charlottesville.

    I wonder who the people are that are buying? They must be of several different types. What role is intergenerational wealth playing? I hear anecdotally of parents or grandparents helping finance young people’s homes. And there has been a small trend the last decade younger people moving from more urban areas to more rural ones. This may have been accelerated by the pandemic.

    I wonder how many immigrants are buying their first homes. I see this in central Virginia, and my Atlanta friend sees a lot of this in Atlanta suburbs like Stone Mountain, where he bought his first home back in 1982.

    But I guess there is good reporting out there on these questions, or at least there will be before too long.

  105. 105.

    MattF

    July 3, 2021 at 9:23 am

    @Amir Khalid: Very different things. Stinky cheeses actually taste wonderful.

  106. 106.

    New Deal democrat

    July 3, 2021 at 9:25 am

    @Another Scott: Rising prices have historically tended to bring out more inventory. Inventory of new houses bottomed late last year, iirc. Existing home inventory has also started up in the past few months from record low levels.

    The issue with inventory is that the spring selling season in 2020 all but disappeared because of the pandemic. So now, will inventory simply increase to normal levels, or will all those houses which “should” have been on the market in 2020 be added to the normal inventory of houses for sale in the next 12 to 24 months? If so, there will be a glut of inventory on the market, and prices will head right back down – which is my best guess as to where we are going.

  107. 107.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2021 at 9:25 am

    @New Deal democrat: I think Powell is finally taking the “full employment” part of the mandate seriously and won’t strangle the economy early.  But something will need to be done about the speculation in the housing market.  Dunno if it will be the Fed or some other body – interest rates are not a front-of-mind concern for cash buyers…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  108. 108.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    A group of heavily-armed men were engaged in an ongoing stand-off on Saturday with Massachusetts police, prompting shelter-in-place orders in some areas and sparking massive delays on the holiday weekend as a portion of Interstate 95 remained shut down.

    The standoff began around 2am when police noticed two cars pulled over on I-95 with hazard lights on, authorities said at a Saturday press briefing. Between eight to 10 men were clad in military-style gear and carrying long guns and pistols, said Col Christopher Mason of Massachusetts state police. The men refused to put down their weapons or comply with authorities’ orders, claiming to be from a group “that does not recognize our laws”, police said.

    They took off into a wooded area. By mid-morning Saturday, two men had been arrested. Officials were using negotiators to interact with the other suspects.

    “Time is our ally in this and we will certainly utilize this,” Mason said.

    3 guesses as to the race of the armed idiots and the first 2 don’t count.

  109. 109.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    @Ken:

    PM isn’t a Head of State position, that’s the ‘job’ of Mrs Windsor and her ilk. Here the PM is just the leader of the Party or Coalition of parties commanding the largest chunk of votes in the House. Parties choose their own leaders.

    Basically, Parliament has all the power, the Government is the group that has the votes to seize that power, the PM is just the MP the rest of those Government MPs elect their leader.

    The more ‘Presidential’ style adopted in recent years has no foundation in our traditional system outside of the fact that it’s a fluid system, parties have become much more top-down run affairs than they used to be, MPs are lower quality intellects and the British Media is lazy and wants to pretend its reporting on The West Wing.

  110. 110.

    germy

    July 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    @Geminid:  I wonder who the people are that are buying?

    Vultures?

    https://jensorensen.com/2021/06/19/welcome-to-vultureville-housing-renting/

  111. 111.

    Orange is the New Red

    July 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    @Geminid: We are just starting to look for a smaller home in Charlottesville and communities west of it in VA. Prices in Charlottesville proper are rising so high and fast, we are getting priced out.

  112. 112.

    Robert Sneddon

    July 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    @Lacuna Synecdoche: ​
     

    Obscenities and other terms of approbation are usually among the shortest and oldest words in the English language.

    In non-Norman English the important words are short words — war, food, water, farm, cold, heat, death. Obscenities tend to be more inventive and multisyllabic, tending towards the sesquipedalian.

  113. 113.

    YY_Sima Qian

    July 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    @Cermet: I wasn’t even thinking as far as 2050. If there is a war between China & the US, it will likely happen between 2025 & 2030.

  114. 114.

    germy

    July 3, 2021 at 9:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I kinda wish Republicans would spend the fourth in Russia again. At least we’d know our Capitol is safe for a weekend.

    — Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) July 2, 2021

  115. 115.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 9:35 am

    @sab:

    Oh, they’ll love us. The Scottish Premier League will suddenly become a major player and just think of all those pasty white Scots suddenly gaining unrestricted access to the steamy hot beaches of Morecambe and Whitby.

    Okay, it’ll take some work.

  116. 116.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:35 am

    @YY_Sima Qian: 1.4 billion v 330 million. Three guesses how that will turn out. Cheneys are idiots.

  117. 117.

    Spanky

    July 3, 2021 at 9:36 am

    A suppressed housing market in 2020 coupled with insane lumber prices for new houses coupled with cheap money is what’s driving the market.

    I read that lumber prices are falling at near-crash levels, so building may tick up soon. And money won’t stay cheap forever.

  118. 118.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 9:38 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I wonder where they were going, and for what? This does not seem like training, but rather an operation of some kind. And I wonder whether these guys were part of a larger group on the same operation.

  119. 119.

    dmsilev

    July 3, 2021 at 9:39 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    claiming to be from a group “that does not recognize our laws”,

    That’s ok, the laws will certainly recognize them.

  120. 120.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:39 am

    @Tony Jay: I saw pictures of them in last year’s heat wave, sunbathing in Edinburgh parks. It was interesting. So much pinkened whiteness.  ( Me be Scottish ancestry. Not exactly adapted to US South and Midwest climate, but here we are, toasting in the sun.)

  121. 121.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2021 at 9:40 am

    @YY_Sima Qian: That’s a scary thought.  :-/

    I would think that China’s leadership would remember its little war with Vietnam.  They crave stability above all – wars upset stability.  They’ll push and prod and bluster and throw their increasing weight around.  But if they’re smart, they’ll always pull back before war.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  122. 122.

    Mo Salad

    July 3, 2021 at 9:40 am

    @ian: I believe that they are fucking it up on purpose like a sullen teenager doing a chore poorly so that the parents never ask them again.

  123. 123.

    Amir Khalid

    July 3, 2021 at 9:41 am

    @MattF:

    Sez you. (He said with a shudder.) When my mum travelled to Japan with my dad and saw sashimi for the first time, she was grossed out by the very idea; and to the end of her life she refused to try it, even after it became widely available (and popular) here.

  124. 124.

    dr. bloor

    July 3, 2021 at 9:42 am

    @Geminid: Apparently they are from RI, which gives the chaotic ineptitude theory complete credibility.

  125. 125.

    Spanky

    July 3, 2021 at 9:42 am

    @sab: A war between China and the US is not going to involve million-man armies. Cyberspace attacks on infrastructure, maybe precision cruise missile strikes on carrier groups. I sincerely doubt it would come to ICBMs.

  126. 126.

    Ken

    July 3, 2021 at 9:42 am

    @dmsilev: As I’ve said before, there was a certain symmetry and merit in the ancient concept of “outlaw”. If someone says the laws don’t apply to them, take them at their word — they also lose the protections of those laws.

  127. 127.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:43 am

    @Another Scott: My dad was a US medical officer in the Korean War. My sister’s Chinese father in law had the exact same job on the other side.

  128. 128.

    Spanky

    July 3, 2021 at 9:43 am

    @Geminid: They were stopped on I95? Southbound, one assumes?

  129. 129.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:45 am

    @Spanky: Dream on. People starting wars always think “of course the leaders will be rational, and won’t go nuts.” Ask Vietnam about that. Ask 20th century Europe aboit that.

  130. 130.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 9:47 am

    @sab:

    Oh, I can’t talk. My natural colouration is speckled white with an underwash of eggshell blue. I fry like a breaded scampi anywhere south of Orkney.

  131. 131.

    sab

    July 3, 2021 at 9:48 am

    @Tony Jay: Aren’t you guys all UK. So Scots already have access if they want it.

  132. 132.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2021 at 9:48 am

    @sab: Interesting.  And a good point.  But the world is very, very different now (China especially).  Turning Korea into a wasteland again would mean millions of refugees that would destabilize adjacent areas…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  133. 133.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    July 3, 2021 at 9:50 am

    @Tony Jay: I only learned the term “swivel” from Shakespeare Retold’s version of “The Taming of the Shrew,” with the great Shirley Henderson as Katerina, (she’s a fierce feminist MP) Twiggy! as her parental figures, Rufus Sewell as Petruchio (impoverished cross-dressing aristocrat with lovely manor house who needs money and thus looks to Katerina, while Katerina is advised by the Party Heads to “marry and soften her image”, and David Mitchell as Katerina’s hapless chief of staff).  Shirley is always saying “swivel” while shooting the bird at people (what is Brit speak for “shooting the bird”?  PS – love you Wimbledon hashtag.

  134. 134.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 9:50 am

    @Orange is the New Red: Housing prices in Augusta County are not so bad. Personally, I think that area of the Shenandoah Valley is a great place to live. Prices there have risen, but not like those in Charlottesville, with all it’s urban amenities.

    And I really like the people in the Valley.

  135. 135.

    WaterGirl

    July 3, 2021 at 9:53 am

    @Suzanne: Thinking about selling the new place you are in now?  Moving to a different neighborhood?  Or maybe back to AZ?

  136. 136.

    zhena gogolia

    July 3, 2021 at 9:54 am

    @Cheryl from Maryland:

    Wow, that sounds great! I’m a massive Henderson and Sewell fan. I’ll have to look for this — is it on streaming

    ETA: I see I can buy it on Prime.

  137. 137.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 9:55 am

    @sab:

    Technically, yes, but it’ll be soooooo much sweeter when it’s Greater Alba and not Sassenachland.

    Plus, fuck you Longshanks and Co. That matters too.

  138. 138.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 9:56 am

    I’ve been without kids for one week and I don’t care for it.

    Watching Tomorrow War.  It’s one of those movies that I don’t think is actually good but I can’t stop watching.

  139. 139.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    July 3, 2021 at 10:03 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: lexington n’ concord 4ever.

    true patriots once more standing up to the distant, tyrannical rule of a braindamaged sovereign. but at least george iii came from superior bloodlines compared to biden.

  140. 140.

    Tony Jay

    July 3, 2021 at 10:05 am

    @Cheryl from Maryland:

    I think “swivel on this” with digit- action would cover it.

    I have a love/hate relationship with Wimbeldon, but that Raducanu match was a great show from start to finish. If you listen carefully you’ll be able to hear the creepy Tennis and Tabloid PTBs licking their lips all the way from Maryland.

    “18, pretty, hits like a mule with tourette’s. Get that girl on the front page!”

  141. 141.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 10:07 am

    @MomSense

    Underwear models with guns.

    :)

  142. 142.

    frosty

    July 3, 2021 at 10:07 am

    @YY_Sima Qian: ​

    With the ICBM & nuclear weapons, it could very well be much more ruinous than WW I, though perhaps shorter in duration.

    “I’ll look for you when the war is over, an hour and a half from now!”​

  143. 143.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 10:12 am

    @sab:

    Yeah I saw that.   I signed up for recurring because I can’t do a big lump sum.  I’ll share it on social media again.

  144. 144.

    Cheryl Rofer

    July 3, 2021 at 10:14 am

    I’m going out with the cats now and maybe will make a post when I come back, but no guarantees. I leave you with this on the Massachusetts I-95 situation:

    We will brief media at approximately 8:10 am at the staging area at the 99 Restaurant, 10 Main St., Stoneham. https://t.co/7GI2Zp6Ygw

    — Mass State Police (@MassStatePolice) July 3, 2021

  145. 145.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 3, 2021 at 10:18 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: I was just reading about that. The two cars were “refueling” on the side of the road? They ran out of gas and had to fill  a can and carry it back? Does that make sense?

  146. 146.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 10:23 am

    @NotMax:

    Not far off.  My least favorite of the Chrisi Chrises (plural of chris?) is actually very sweet in this.  I think fatherhood agrees with him.

  147. 147.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 10:26 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    My kid texted me that police are in a standoff with a militia group heading to Maine to train.  I think they are probably Sov Cits because they apparently said they don’t have to follow US laws.
    The kid who texted me is also a trickster so he could be teasing me.

  148. 148.

    ian

    July 3, 2021 at 10:27 am

    @MontyTheClipArtMongoose:

    This assumes facts about the house of Hannover (now called Windsor) not in evidence

  149. 149.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 10:34 am

    @MomSense:

    They apparently were en route from Rhode Island to Maine for militia training when they ran out of gas. Fucking survivalists ran out of gas on an interstate highway.

  150. 150.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2021 at 10:34 am

    @MomSense

    I don’t think is actually good but I can’t stop watching.

    Felt much the same about the Ukrainian TV police series Dog when it was on Prime a few years ago. Kept finding myself circling back to it.

    ;)

  151. 151.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 10:39 am

    @Spanky:

    NPR reported they said they were headed to Maine for training, so probably northbound.

  152. 152.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 10:39 am

    @NotMax:

    The struggle is real.

  153. 153.

    WaterGirl

    July 3, 2021 at 10:43 am

    @MomSense:

    Fucking survivalists ran out of gas on an interstate highway.

    rotating tag?

  154. 154.

    MomSense

    July 3, 2021 at 10:47 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Ayuh.

  155. 155.

    Geminid

    July 3, 2021 at 10:55 am

    @debbie: So they were going to Maine to play soldier. I bet they’re not liking the practice they’re getting now.

  156. 156.

    RepubAnon

    July 3, 2021 at 11:36 am

     

    @WaterGirl: Perhaps they were practicing a scenario where all the power went out and they had to get to the assembly area before going out to defend freedom by killing anyone with differing opinions.

  157. 157.

    Starfish

    July 3, 2021 at 11:48 am

    @Geminid: @Suzanne: 

    I also live in a housing hot spot that was not touched by the burst of the first housing bubble. Houses are going up in value by 10% or more a year. We were thinking of selling our house and getting something else, but no offer contingent on the sale of your current place is accepted in the current climate because it is so hot.

    We actually put in two offers that were rejected this season. One at around asking, and one at 10% over asking.

  158. 158.

    Quiltingfool

    July 3, 2021 at 11:55 am

    @MontyTheClipArtMongoose: Well, George III could be considered “superior,” if inbreeding for generations was a qualification.  May have been why he was nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake.

  159. 159.

    Kathleen

    July 3, 2021 at 12:04 pm

    @sab: 2004 called and agreed.

  160. 160.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    July 3, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Then you will like Charles II: The Power and the Passion, with Sewell as Charles II and Henderson as his wife, Catherina of Braganza, along with the late great Helen McCrory as Barbara Villers, Duchess of Cleveland  (Charles’ main mistress) and Rupert Graves as the Duke of Buckingham.  Streaming on Brit Box.  Maybe other streaming sites.

  161. 161.

    dnfree

    July 3, 2021 at 1:35 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Dead thread, but my guess is that all three of your guesses are wrong. from Masslive,
    The individuals are members of Rise of the Moors, a group who identify as Moorish Americans.

    “The Moorish sovereign citizen movement is a collection of independent organizations and lone individuals that emerged in the early 1990s as an offshoot of the antigovernment sovereign citizens movement, which believes that individual citizens hold sovereignty over, and are independent of, the authority of federal and state governments,” the Southern Poverty Law Center says of the movement. “Moorish sovereigns espouse an interpretation of sovereign doctrine that African Americans constitute an elite class within American society with special rights and privileges that convey on them a sovereign immunity placing them beyond federal and state authority.”

    Jamhal Talib Abdullah Bey is identified on the group’s website as the Moorish American Consular Post Head for the Rise of the Moors. His biography on the group’s website lists him as having served in the United States Marine Corps previously.

  162. 162.

    MagdaInBlack

    July 3, 2021 at 1:40 pm

    @Cheryl from Maryland: I’d love it too. I’m one who was turned on to history by a novel. It was  Kathleen Winsor : “Forever Amber.” ?

  163. 163.

    Origuy

    July 3, 2021 at 2:09 pm

    @dnfree:  JJ MacNab has been tweeting about the Moorish Sovereigns for a while. Crazy knows no racial boundaries.

  164. 164.

    debbie

    July 3, 2021 at 2:20 pm

    @dnfree:

    I believe many of them also believe they are free of any debt.

  165. 165.

    Anyway

    July 3, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    TGI -LW!

    OT – one of my favorite movies -The Third Man- is on TCM at 4 ET. Had a fun time doing the Third Man walking tour some years back on a trip to Vienna…

  166. 166.

    YY_Sima Qian

    July 3, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    @Another Scott:

    I would think that China’s leadership would remember its little war with Vietnam.  They crave stability above all – wars upset stability.  They’ll push and prod and bluster and throw their increasing weight around.  But if they’re smart, they’ll always pull back before war.

    It’s not just China that is pushing and prodding. There is a great deal of anxiety among the US military brass & Congress wrt China’s rapidly improving military capabilities, & fear that China will overmatch the US (even including Japan) in the Western Pacific in the not too distant future. Some of this is surely posturing to win more budget allocation, but some of it is real. There is also a great deal of anxiety in China that the US is aiming to arrest China’s rise economically & especially technologically (by deeming everything as “dual-use” & every Chinese entity as “connected to military”), & fear that the US will undermine the “One China Policy” (which really is the bedrock of Sino-US relations) & go beyond playing footsie w/ Taiwan in the military sphere. All of it is disturbingly reminiscent of the period leading up to WW I, or the Peloponnesian War for that matter.

    If both parties remain rational, sure, it won’t come to blows. However, if all parties remained rational, WW I would not have happened, Imperial Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor & Nazi Germany would not have waged war on two fronts. I do think the chance of a Sino-US war remains low, but it is not something that can be dismissed out of hand, any more. Nuclear MAD will help deter conventional war, but once a conventional war starts, turning nuclear becomes a real possibility.

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