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Weekend Horrorshow Viewing:The NYTimes ‘Day of Rage’ Video

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  2. 2.

    Lyrebird

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:  Guess you are a braver woman than I am. Not gonna watch. I am glad they put all those pieces together. Makes it harder for the lying liar types to spin it away.

  3. 3.

    A Ghost to Most

    CNN just reported an ongoing standoff with armed seditionists in Wakefield, Mass. They reportedly were saying that laws don’t apply to them. Did we skip ahead to August?

  4. 4.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Full disclosure: I haven’t watched the full video myself yet. But it’s a long weekend, so…

    Same, AL. I’ve carved out time to watch and process it this weekend. Won’t be easy, but must be done.

  8. 8.

    Another Scott

    The original seems to be paywalled at the FTFNYT, so I haven’t tried very hard to see it.  It’s good that they took the time to collect and tabulate the available video.  I assume that the FBI and others have been doing similar things for months (given the clips that the FBI has collected, asking for more information).

    But it’s kinda old news. E.g. NewYorker 12 min video (from January 17) (also paywall, but easy to get around via Private Browsing window).

    Repost – Comedy bloggers went undercover to attend the Stop the Steal rally (39:56)

    Etc.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  12. 12.

    SiubhanDuinne

    On July 4, 2018, a delegation of seven Republican U.S. Senators and one Republican member of the House of Representatives spent the Independence Day holiday in Moscow.

    Of the eight, six are up for re-election in 2022. They’re all pretty well entrenched in GOP strongholds, of course, but wouldn’t it be a pretty thing to dislodge even one or two of these treasonous scum? Anyone on the ground who knows whether that’s even thinkable? They celebrated America’s birthday in Russia. Voters shouldn’t be allowed to forget that.

    The Moscow Eight (a refresher):

    Richard Shelby (AL) — 87 yrs old. In Senate since 1987 (finishing his sixth term). Will not seek re-election in 2022.

    Steve Daines (MT) — 58 yrs old. In Senate since 2015 (in his second term). Not up for re-election until 2026.

    John Kennedy (LA) — 69 yrs old. In senate since 2017 (completing his first term). Up for re-election in 2022.

    John Hoeven (ND) — 64 yrs old. In Senate since 2011 (completing his second term). Up for re-election in 2022.

    Ron Johnson (WI) — 66 yrs old. In Senate since 2011 (completing his second term). Up for re-election in 2022.

    Jerry Moran (KS) — 67 yrs old. In Senate since 2011 (completing his second term). Up for re-election in 2022.

    John Thune (SD) — 60 yrs old. In Senate since 2005 (completing his third term). Up for re-election in 2022.

    Kay Granger (TX-12) — the only woman and only House member in the Moscow CoDel. 78 yrs old. Member of Congress since 1997 (currently in her 13th term). Up for re-election in 2022.

  14. 14.

    A Good Woman

    I watched it. Absolutely horrifying to realize how dangerous this was.  It is worth your time. If it were up to me I would send it to every single GOP legislator and demand they identify the ‘tourists.’

  16. 16.

    germy

    If you have to pull over to refuel in Wakefield MA on a trip from Rhode Island to Maine then you did not plan things very well.

    — Course Catalog (@Course_Catalog) July 3, 2021

  21. 21.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @debbie:

    The video the House Impeachment-(Two) Managers showed during their presentation was also horrifying and compelling.

  22. 22.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @A Good Woman: Agreed. I don’t care if it’s “painful” watching; it’s IMPORTANT. It’s clear that there was planning and coordination among some elements of the insurrectionists and that the outcome could have been so much worse. Our country and legislators came within a whisker of catastrophe.

    I was able to watch behind the paywall. FTFNYT deserves kudos for this excellent piece of reporting.

  23. 23.

    debbie

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I was working, so I listened rather than watched. Were there any clips of Republicans cowering? I’d love to know if they’re among the deniers now.

  25. 25.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Another Scott: Not old news at all. It has been compiled in a way that reveals just how coordinated the attacks were and how dangerous, well beyond previous analyses.

  26. 26.

    debbie

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I wonder if the group is related to the black sovereign citizens here. They were discovered to have a relatively large bomb-making operation in the middle of a middle class neighborhood. Unfortunately, they weren’t discovered until one of their members blew his hands off while working on one.

  30. 30.

    germy

    Legal troubles mount for Adam Honeycutt, a Florida defendant in US Capitol breach

    Honeycutt was accused of unlawfully entering Capitol & posting photos of broken Senate property

    Now he's pleaded guilty to an unrelated firearms charge stemming from raid on his house after Jan 6 pic.twitter.com/3E0dPYvSwf

    — Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 2, 2021

  31. 31.

    Mike in NC

    Expecting random acts of domestic terrorism tomorrow. Maybe to be followed by a statement from The Desk of # 45: “Proud Boys, stand down and stand by”.

  32. 32.

    MomSense

    I think the GQP Congress critters are following the post -school shooting playbook on the Jan 6 insurrection.  They were stalling, stalling, stalling and then downplaying hoping that with time people would lose interest and they wouldn’t face as much pressure to do something about it.  I also think they are trying to save some of their members who were accomplices to it.
    This is why we need to promote the hell out of the FTFNYT video and other videos even if we personally don’t need to be reminded of what happened.

  34. 34.

    The Moar You Know

    Decades of easy treatment of right wing violent agitators and light jail sentences for those same right wingers committing crimes against the state (while Communists and similar left wingers were literally sentenced to decades in jail for the same offenses) were what led directly to the end of Weimar Germany as a functioning government and to a place where the remnants of that existing government was left with no choice but to appoint Hitler chancellor.

  35. 35.

    Geminid

    @O. Felix Culpa: There was some obvious coordination. I hope prosecutors can work their way to upper level coordinators. These might include people like Roger Stone and some of those who met at the trump hotel the night before.

  37. 37.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @MomSense: I agree. I also think it is hubris for us to think we already know all about what happened. We have educated guesses and surmises, but there’s a ton of evidence that remains to be unearthed. Based on the FTFNYT video, I think that Congress–and by extension, our democracy–was in far greater danger than any of us realized.

  38. 38.

    JPL

    The NYTimes video is worth seeing because of the time line.   It also shows pictures of the massive crowds.   It was not just a few hundred people.

  39. 39.

    Another Scott

    @Geminid: We’ve known for months that there was all kinds of coordination, from groups that were lying the whole time.

    E.g. CNBC from January 9:

    A web of pro-Trump dark money groups helped organize the rally that led to a deadly riot on Capitol Hill.

    […]

    The rally, officially known as the “March to Save America,” was largely organized by a 501(c)(4) group known as Women for America First. The organization was certified by the Internal Revenue Service as a nonprofit that can engage in limited political activities. These groups are known as dark money organizations as they do not publicly disclose their donors.

    However, America First Policies, a pro-Trump policy advocacy dark money group, did disclose in 2019 that they contributed to Women for America First. America First’s 990 disclosure form from that year shows they contributed $25,000 to Women for America First.

    America First Policies, which is also a 501(c)(4) that does not disclose its donors, is chaired by Linda McMahon, a longtime Trump ally and former head of the Small Business Administration. The 2019 filing shows America First Policies ended up raising over $30 million. They were not involved with the planning of the rally itself.

    Women for America First is chaired by Amy Kremer, a longtime political operative that was once the head of the Tea Party Express, an organization that was created to support the conservative Tea Party movement. Kylie Jane Kremer, the executive director of Women for America First, is named on the rally’s permit as the person in charge. The permit was first obtained by The Washingtonian.

    The permit for the event says that the anticipated number of attendees was 5,000 people. Yet, in Women for America First’s denunciation of the violence that took place on Capitol Hill, they say that “hundreds of thousands of Americans” came to Washington to attend their rally.

    […]

    It’s fine that people are paying more attention, or paying attention again, but I don’t see anything new myself.

    Again, YMMV.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  40. 40.

    JPL

    @germy: hmmm     Although it is illegal to carry loaded weapons in the state, closing the highway for hours seems to be an over reaction.

  41. 41.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @JPL:

    It was not just a few hundred people.

    Exactly. The day-of footage gave (me) the impression of several hundred people behaving badly. The NYT video makes it clear that thousands were involved, attacking at multiple points all around the Capitol. It’s astonishing that there were (relatively) so few deaths, especially among law enforcement. The investigative committee has to find out why the police were so wildly understaffed and poorly equipped and why it took the National Guard over four hours to show up, among other things.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    What will the Bey of Bedminster barf up tomorrow?

    Y’know what — I don’t care, do u?

    //

  45. 45.

    MomSense

    @O. Felix Culpa: 
    I agree with you. My personal hypothesis is that this was well coordinated and that Trump loyalists in key decision making roles knowingly understaffed the capitol and delayed the National Guard response in order to buy time for the insurrectionists.

  47. 47.

    MomSense

    Even if you decide not to watch the video – share it in whatever social and social media circles you have.

  48. 48.

    Another Scott

    @O. Felix Culpa: You got me.

    Still, I’m not going to watch it.  I don’t need to see fancy clips of various RWNJs to know that RWNJs were riling people up to try to turn TFG into a dictator.

    I work in DC.  I know what was happening, how dangerous it was, and who was behind it.  If others find the video compilation valuable, that’s fine.

    YMMV.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  50. 50.

    NotMax

    @MomSense

    No question whatsoever it was pre-arranged. People don’t bring along the variety of gear they had just to stand around and listen to speakers. It’s not like there are kiosks selling body armor, bats, irritant sprays, DIY gallows kits, etc. along the Mall where they could stock up on the way to the Capitol.

  51. 51.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @MomSense: I share your hypothesis and I hope that the investigative committee makes it super-clear to the public, if true.

    On a completely other note, we’re planning a delayed holiday in Maine next year (July), mid-coast, a bit north of Portland. Are you anywhere in the vicinity for a meet-up, if this vacation gets to happen?

  53. 53.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @NotMax:

    It’s not like there are kiosks selling body armor, bats, irritant sprays, DIY gallows kits, etc. along the Mall where they could stock up on the way to the Capitol.

    Pshaw. All the best tourist traps sell weapons for the unwary witless. ;)

  54. 54.

    MomSense

    @NotMax:

    They also stripped offices of their panic buttons in advance.  This was planned.

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Yes!  I would love to meet up.  We have been talking about a lobster meet up this summer with Imm.  I think we will have to change the menu item, though.   Climate change has ruined Maine lobster.  Lobster rolls are selling for $35-$42 right now.

  55. 55.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @MomSense: one story that’s kind of drifted away was they found James Clyburn’s unmarked office– “hideaways”, I think they call them. I think Hill reporters, who spend a lot of time in that complex, said at the time  it takes a long while to learn your way around all the corridors where those offices are

    ETA: Climate change has ruined Maine lobster.  Lobster rolls are selling for $35-$42 right now.

    God almighty. that’s some scary shit. Has Susan Collins noticed? Think anybody will mention it in those small town parades she’s so proud of?

  58. 58.

    NotMax

    @O. Felix Culpa

    “Let’s see. That’s six postcards, a “Don’t Tread On Me” bumper sticker, a George Washington bobblehead doll and a 600,000 volt taser. Paper or plastic?”

  59. 59.

    Bill Hicks

    I just watched the video. It is not behind a paywall and it is well done. You really should watch it especially as we celebrate this country this weekend. One of our greatest alumni at Bethany College where I teach is Thomas Buergenthal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Buergenthal). He has spoken at our college many times about his experience living through Kristallnacht and the concentration camps. As a citizen of Earth, it is always tough but important to listen to him. As a citizen of the U.S., it is also important to pay attention to the events of Jan 6 despite the negative emotions that it will bring up. Disclaimer: I realize that Jan 6th is nothing compared to the holocaust, watching the video just reminded me of the talks by Buergenthal and why we should pay attention even when it hurts.

  60. 60.

    boatboy_srq

    @SiubhanDuinne: Every last one of them is old enough to remember the Cold War.

    Every last one of them is old enough to remember when the USSR was the enemy, and old enough to know the signs when a foreign power is not friendly to their own government.

    Every last one of them is old enough to have been taught the horrors of fascism and why WW2 was so incredibly necessary to thwart fascists across the globe. At least a couple are old enough to remember that war for themselves.

    Every last one of them should be thoroughly ashamed at the respect they are giving fascists.

  61. 61.

    germy

    @Bill Hicks:

    The footage of Gosar giving his speeches… it’s like something out of a Hitler documentary.

    The way he wags his head… that boy ain’t right

    It looked to me like he’d planned to keep talking while the rioters took control, and then he was going to lead them.

  62. 62.

    The Thin Black Duke

    The reality of living in America is that’s it’s safer to be a white man attacking the US Capitol than it was than it was for Breonna Taylor who shot to death by cops for the crime of sleeping in her own bed.

  65. 65.

    boatboy_srq

    @MomSense: Do you ever get the sense that indifference to school shootings was deliberate and designed for the day when armed insurrection would be a genuine threat? The US is so desensitized to the brandishing of firearms and to Reichwingnut argy-bargy that when it happens en masse the impact is diluted by the hundreds of precedents.

  66. 66.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Bill Hicks: there were, off the top of my head, two people wearing shirts that celebrated the Holocaust on 1/6, and frankly I think it’s amazing there weren’t more deaths and severe injuries

    ETA: if it’s not clear, I mean I don’t think comparisons to the Beer Hall Putsch or even Kristallnacht are inapt

  70. 70.

    boatboy_srq

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Collins didn’t notice when the textile makers left, or when the tech startups folded, or when countless other local market sectors failed for one or another reason. And she’s too GOTea to suggest that a minimum income and real education would be good things for the electorate.

  71. 71.

    Almost Retired

    @SiubhanDuinne:  Ron Johnson seems vulnerable – there were even rumblings that he may not run again.  Probably because he’s too fucking stupid to properly complete the re-election paperwork.  But that may be wishful thinking on my part, and Wisconsin Republicans would heave up someone equally as wretched.  John Kennedy SHOULD be vulnerable – he is an ignorant and odious goober, who should be haunted in his sleep by half of Hyannis Port.  But I haven’t read anything that suggests he’s particularly vulnerable.

  72. 72.

    hitchhiker

    I watched it and then shared it with everybody I could. What’s here that is new is the courage on display by Capitol Police, the clear coordination among groups, and the repeated reminder that these people truly believed the election had been stolen.

    I heard somebody say on a podcast recently that if Obama had spent two months publicly insisting that trump committed massive fraud in 2016, there would have been thousands of Americans ready to storm the Capitol rather than see him take office. Of course, that’s not something Obama would have done, but his point was that these idiots are not reprehensible because they believed a lie. They’re reprehensible because they swallowed an obvious lie from the likes of trump.

    The other thing about this video is that it calls to mind the utter depravity of both Barr and McConnell — who chose to let the Big Lie stand for reasons of their own, a decision that led directly to this day. I couldn’t loathe them more.

  73. 73.

    Immanentize

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

    William Roper: “Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!

  76. 76.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Almost Retired: Ben Wikler said on the O’Bros podcast a while back that we shouldn’t underestimate RonJohn. He’s dumb and nutty, but not as dumb and nutty as he plays on TV, and he’s canny enough to know he won two elections in exceptionally strong cycles for Rs. Wikler thinks he might not run if he thinks he might lose.

    I also don’t think Louisiana JK is an ignorant goober, he just plays Foghorn T Cornpone to raise money. ETA I’ve seen vague reports, I have no cites, that people who’ve worked with him don’t recognize either his accent or his FoxNews persona

  78. 78.

    WaterGirl

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    The reality of living in America is that’s it’s safer to be a white man attacking the US Capitol than it was than it was for Breonna Taylor who shot to death by cops for the crime of sleeping in her own bed.

    Yes.

  79. 79.

    mrmoshpotato

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    but there’s a ton of evidence that remains to be unearthed. 

    Evidence from the Nazi trash’s own videos.

    “Is you taking video of a criminal Trump trash insurrection?”

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    @debbie:

    I can’t even get my usual off the boat price from my contact.  He doesn’t have enough.  It’s totally fucked.  Also, too the Great Whites decided to stick around.

  82. 82.

    Almost Retired

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:  I hope you’re wrong on both counts, but…alas….you’re probably right.  At least in Johnson’s case, though, he takes extreme positions well to the right of his constituency, so with any luck Wisconsin voters will have tired of his shtick.

  85. 85.

    debbie

    @MomSense:

    Believe it or not, there’s a food truck here that sells lobster rolls. They’re supposed to be very good. Last I heard, they were $17, but I guess they’ll price themselves right out of business.

  86. 86.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Almost Retired:

    John Kennedy SHOULD be vulnerable – he is an ignorant and odious goober, who should be haunted in his sleep by half of Hyannis Port. But I haven’t read anything that suggests he’s particularly vulnerable.

    Sadly, I don’t think he is an ignorant goober — he just plays one on TV. By all accounts, he’s exceptionally intelligent and well-educated. It baffles me why smart people want to pretend to be stupid and unlettered, but I guess his “aw-shucks I’m jes’ a dumb country boy” shtick plays well in Louisiana.

  90. 90.

    Immanentize

    @debbie: i was going to make Lockober’s famous lobster stew, but my local (really great) seafood market is having no luck getting fresh lobsters at any good value. They have been buying frozen tails from around the country/world for their lobster items.

    PS Shovel Head lobsters in Florida have excellent tails!

  100. 100.

    Steeplejack

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Sen. Kennedy has a J.D. from the University of Virginia and a Bachelor of Civil Law degree (with first-class honors) from Magdalen College, Oxford. Cornpone hick? ? No, he just plays one on TV.

  105. 105.

    MomSense

    @Immanentize:

    Ha!

    Ok everyone – I really need to take advantage of this cold, rainy day to clean my house.  My dog is walking around like pigpen with a cloud of fur flying off her.

  106. 106.

    kindness

    Republicans want to bury the whole thing because it shows them as the Failed Coup Party.  Plus as losers it goes against the image they’ve spent so long cultivating.  Our MSM is gonna help them do it too.  That’s why things like this documentary are so important.  Keep the historical record from being warped completely by the right wing.

  107. 107.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t think comparisons to the Beer Hall Putsch or even Kristallnacht are inapt

    My German relatives who lived through or have close memories of those events were horrified by January 6th. They were even more afraid for us than I was. They knew all too well what such actions could lead to.

  109. 109.

    Baud

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    ETA: if it’s not clear, I mean I don’t think comparisons to the Beer Hall Putsch or even Kristallnacht are inapt

     
    I don’t either. But I get frustrated by people who make that comparison and then assert that we are doomed to relive the same fate.

  112. 112.

    JPL

    Earlier I read that it’s national fried clam day, and now several folks are talking about lobster.    The one decent fish restaurant near me, closed during the pandemic.   I think I hate you.    bah humbug

    Fresh Market has frozen lobster tails so that will have to do.   The only problem is you have to buy a few just in order to get a few ounces on meat.

  114. 114.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud:

    But I get frustrated by people who make that comparison and then assert that we are doomed to relive the same fate.

    I don’t think it’s a question of destiny as much as the goals of a small minority, abetted by a larger minority (from Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz to Susan Collins and Mitt Romney) who think they can ride that tiger to power. I don’t think the 1/6ers will succeed, but that latter group may do a helluva lot more damage in the next couple of years.

    And my hobbyhorse as ever, the disengaged and complacent lumpenmittel who saw that pass through their social media and now sort of half-remember it but have put in their “Oh, it’s all just politics” brain folder. And another hobby-horse that I’ll let rest for the moment…

    There is only the next election/s. All else is commentary.

  115. 115.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Baud:

    I get frustrated by people who make that comparison and then assert that we are doomed to relive the same fate.

    Agreed. The triumph of fascism is not inevitable and, as WaterGirl’s series says, we still have agency. I sometimes feel frustrated by those who give up so easily. The civil rights movement wouldn’t have achieved anything if they had folded at the first sign of threat or resistance. To the extent possible, let’s be clear-eyed about the danger and about what we can do collectively to overcome it. Courage, mes braves!

  118. 118.

    Geminid

    @Almost Retired: If Wisconsin turned out a majority for Joe Biden in 2022, Ron Johnson can be beaten in 2022. I think Wisconsin Democrats have a fifty-fifty shot, maybe better.

    But Johnson may not have made his mind up yet. He’s a strange cat, and he has baggage. If Johnson does not run, Congressman Mike Gallagher of Green Bay is ready and willing. Gallagher could be a tougher foe.

  123. 123.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @CaseyL: Alas, I’m not going to be able to visit Maine until next summer. Sounds like a great trip though–have fun!

  124. 124.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: No shower caps allowed?!  These stuck up snobby bastards!

    I like how “All body parts must be completely covered” and then shorts are allowed.  You stuck up snobby dumbass bastards!

  129. 129.

    Almost Retired

    @SiubhanDuinne:  If Kennedy is just playing the part of an ignorant goober, he’s done an excellent job of staying in character.  Method acting at its finest…

  132. 132.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Almost Retired: he’s one of those whose contempt for his own target audience is so blatant it boggles one with disbelief that they don’t see it themselves

  138. 138.

    scav

    @mrmoshpotato: “All body parts must be completely covered” sure sounds like they’re calling for a full-on burka in their family-friendly environment.

  141. 141.

    Ruckus

    @boatboy_srq:

    You are correct of course.

    But.

    They don’t see the world the way you, and the rest of us do. They see the world as crumbling, because it is no longer that world that you describe that they should know and despise. They are no better than the people you describe as fascists, because that’s really what they are. They want a government that restricts people from doing things that they don’t like, that people do in deference to their supporters who pay them to be fascists. This country is really no all that much different than a lot of others, because we have a large group of our citizens that believe that they should control everything, that we should live the way they want, that everyone should be subservient to their rule of their law. They are not in any way liberal, they do not in any way believe in actual freedom or equality, they are conservatives, who want to conserve a way of life that is anything but a democracy. Remember that there are actually very few real democracies in this world, that yes there have to be restrictions on people, because otherwise some would act exactly like the 11 men arrested today, not believing in laws, in equality. They want to be special, because. They want to be something they are not, above the laws they want everyone else to live by. They want the money and don’t care that you are kept poor by their policies. They might even enjoy that. They don’t care if you live or die, and might actually enjoy if you did die.

    They are fascists, if not in the traditional definition, they are in the modern way. The concepts have never really gone away, they have had the corners rounded off and the speeches toned down and the most despicable concepts hidden from view. But they are fascists.

  143. 143.

    NotMax

    @scav

    “All body parts must be completely covered”

    Did I miss a memo that it is hunky-dory to lug around severed limbs now?

    “This is my emotional support foot.”

  144. 144.

    germy

    PHOENIX (AP) – They flaunted their participation in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol on social media and then, apparently realizing they were in legal trouble, rushed to delete evidence of it, authorities say. Now their attempts to cover up their role in the deadly siege are likely to come back to haunt them in court.

    An Associated Press review of court records has found that at least 49 defendants are accused of trying to erase incriminating photos, videos and texts from phones or social media accounts documenting their conduct as a pro-Donald Trump mob stormed Congress and briefly interrupted the certification of Democrat Joe Biden’s election victory.

    https://wnyt.com/politics/rioters-accused-of-erasing-content-from-social-media-phones/6160815/?cat=661

  145. 145.

    Immanentize

    @NotMax: I saw it. Thanks!

    I am a Farnham’s man myself, although Woodman’s is also good. The Immp and I may head up to Essex for some clams this evening.

    Farnham’s

  146. 146.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @raven: I thought Moorish Arms sounded like a small hotel opened in old LA by a couple of veterans of the MGM set design department. Great old black and white photos of Randolph Scott’s birthday party in the inner courtyard in ’37, Marlene Dietrich and Cary Grant leading a conga line. It went to seed and got torn down in the early sixties to put up a Jack-In-The-Box that is now a hot yoga studio.

  147. 147.

    JPL

    @NotMax: I had no idea how they originated, but I thought Howard Johnson’s were ok as a child.

    Now I want to know who discovered that mussels and wine sauce went together.

  156. 156.

    Another Scott

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Looks like it to me.  (E.g. the 1.5 pound lobster for $34.)

    The prices look quite reasonable to me.

    4 of us went to Rockport maybe 20 years ago and got 4 tiny lobster rolls in a little shack near the coast and it was $75 – which I thought was outrageous at the time…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  157. 157.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Immanentize: Great posting.  I have my issues with Sir Thomas More but A Man For All Seasons is a great play.

  158. 158.

    Cheryl Rofer

    I-95 in Massachusetts open again, shelter in place notices lifted, 11 people and two vehicles in custody along with unknown numbers of firearms. Good summary from Mass State Police here.

  161. 161.

    Starfish

    @SiubhanDuinne: People in the South play that for the rest of the country because it is what is expected by everyone else. It may work in your favor in negotiations if a bunch of people think you are ten IQ points dumber than you really are.

  162. 162.

    Immanentize

    @NotMax: here is my local:
    Fresh Pond Seafood

    Not quite so expensive, but just about as good. The famous Essex County shacks price for the tourists. They all had a very hard year, so I don’t begrudge them their current profits. It’s kind of cold and rainy today, s o we will probably just order from Fresh Pond tonight.

  163. 163.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @raven: Oh yeah, plenty of people here lived through the 60s (including me, born 1951).

  166. 166.

    NotMax

    @Immanentize

    Much more reasonable to these don’t get around much anymore orbs. Don’t see them on the menu but the stuffed clams pictured in the recipes section look devastatingly luscious.

  167. 167.

    raven

    @Immanentize: When I was in RI for my unit reunion I took a morning charter out of Port of Galilee and there was a Boston family of about 20 folks from grand parents to little kids. They were serious fishing machines all!

  168. 168.

    NotMax

    @Immanentize

    “I’m not a doctor Protestant but I play one on TV stage.”

    There was a pattern there for a time. Also played the Archbishop of Canterbury in Jumpers and God in Steambath. May well be forgetting a couple of others of that ilk from around the same time.

    :)

  169. 169.

    Almost Retired

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:  I guess I thought of Moorish Arms as a hideaway for Silent Film-era debauchery, involving sex trafficking and opium.  And in the end, it ended up as a Lytton Savings and Loan.  Or am I conflating Hollywood Babylon legends :)

  172. 172.

    dnfree

    @JPL: once the armed people ran into the woods, who knew what they might do?  Fire at cars while hidden?  Take hostages?  I don’t see where there was an alternative once you know armed people are on the loose.

  175. 175.

    Immanentize

    @raven: There are a LOT of serious fishers here. Ocean, lake and fly. They just keep a low profile because they don’t want friends to ask for their catch

  176. 176.

    JPL

    @dnfree:  First they run out of gas, then  they don’t show ID’s, and then they run.  It takes a certain amount of crazy for all those things to happen, but they did.    Yup..   They are going to miss their training camp.

    After reading the entire account of the situation, it wasn’t the police that over-reacted.

  177. 177.

    Immanentize

    @O. Felix Culpa: or a paying customer in the seats? NotMax probably would have preferred the latter….?. But if it was around when Steambath first ran? I had no money and would have preferred to be the fly

  182. 182.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @raven: I was talking about people on this site , i.e. “plenty of people here”

  186. 186.

    NotMax

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    Funny story from that production. Shall try to keep it short, but you need to know that (1) the lady operating the sound board was blind, as well as tight with the cast and (2) because of limited facilities the sound booth had been set up behind a folding screen near the main entrance.

    One of the cast’s tasks was to greet, in costume, the ticket holders at the door and escort them to their tables. It was still before sunset when the doors opened, so very bright outside. Inside was dim, little to no overhead lighting and candles on each table.

    Anyway, one couple came in and I approached them to be seated. He said something in a joking manner about how dark it was and he’d need a seeing eye dog to find his way.

    “Could you stay there for just a second?” asked I, holding up an index finger.

    Then scooted around the screen and asked the sound lady if I could borrow [name of her seeing eye dog] for a minute and leisurely strolled back to the couple, with a hearty “Here you go!”

    Amazed laughter ensued.

  188. 188.

    J R in WV

    @The Moar You Know:

    …the remnants of that existing government was left with no choice but to appoint Hitler chancellor.

    Must disagree with you on this point. There is always another choice when one of the choices is to appoint an evil sociopath like Trump, or Hitler, or Stalin, or… fill in the blank. We do know what the did choose to do, we do not have to acknowledge that this choice was the proper one, nor the only one!

  190. 190.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @raven: ​Just FTR, melanzana (eggplant) is the term I’ve heard from the Sicilian side of the family for an African-American whose skin is so dark it’s got a purplish hue. Very specific concept – most AAs would not qualify.

    The Italian-American equivalent I’ve heard for the n-word is tutsoon. Etymology unknown AFAICT. And the only one of our people who ever got near Chicago played for the Cubbies – and that was long afterward.

    (Also FTR: 100% Italian blood, 50% Sicilian)

  191. 191.

    Soprano2

    The video is well worth watching. It shows the timing of things happening, like how after TFG tweeted something bad about Pence the crowd started yelling to get him! It seems like TFG was trying to get Pence killed. It shows how much the crowd responded to what TFG was saying. It’s great evidence, they should win a prize for it.

  192. 192.

    TriassicSands

    The “Days of Rage” video is among the reasons* why the NY Times must be supported. While still criticized. The support is for work like this. The criticism is for political reporting that features rampant bothsiderism and false equivalency and sycophantic reporters desperate for access.

    I’ve always felt that much of the criticism here for the Times is a product of tunnel vision — failure to see the good work that the Times produces and sole focus on the, at times, egregious reporting of people like everyone’s favorite target Maggie Haberman. I place the blame primarily on Dean Baquet, who has made his culpability public. I don’t know what the relationship is between Baquet and the publisher — i.e., how hands-on or -off A.G. Sulzberger is.

    The Washington Post has had more than its share of bothsiderist reporting, but Marty Baron was a far better Editor than Baquet and I’ve come to rely more on Post political reporting. It remains to be seen what Baron’s replacement, Sally Buzbee will do. The choice of Karen Tumulty as Deputy Editorial Page Editor is not exactly cause for great rejoicing. The execrable** Fred Hiatt remains Editorial Page Editor.

    * Other reasons are its reporting on science, medicine, and other non-political topics and issues.
    ** Or as an old friend used to mistakenly say “excretable.” As in, able to be excreted.

  193. 193.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @The Moar You Know: …where the remnants of that existing government was left with no choice but to appoint Hitler chancellor.

    Utter bullshit. Von Papen of the non-Nazi Right dreamed up the maneuver, serenely confident that he as Vice Chancellor would be able to pick up the pieces once der Böhmische Gefreite discredited the NSDAP by proving totally incompetent at running the country. One of his fatal errors was to allow the Nazis control of the Interior Ministry while Göring controlled Prussia as Minister-President.

  194. 194.

    Scout211

    The video was extremely well done.  It really puts the lie to the few congresspersons who continue to try to down-play the insurrection, calling the rioters “ tourists” visiting the Capitol.

    I wish it was a bit stronger on the days leading up to the insurrection and the lawmakers who promoted it and incited it. There was some mention but IMHO, not enough. But for a moment-to-moment factual timeline, with multiple cameras showing the same event happening from different angles, it was excellent. I also really appreciated the map of the Capitol with graphics showing all the breaches and the movement inside.

    ETA:  auto-correct fail. Resurrection??  What?

  195. 195.

    J R in WV

    @Bill Hicks: ​
     

    … Disclaimer: I realize that Jan 6th is nothing compared to the holocaust, watching the video just reminded me of the talks by Buergenthal and why we should pay attention even when it hurts.

    I would compare the Jan 6th insurrection more to the Beer Hall Putsch of November 1923 that put Hitler into jail for some time [sentenced to 5 years for treason, he only served 9 months] , when he was able to concentrate on dictating Mein Kampf — rather than Kristallnacht or the Holocaust, both of which came after Hitler and his Nazis had pretty much total power in Germany.

  196. 196.

    J R in WV

    @raven:

    Does anyone else know what the real “Days of Rage” were?

    Yes.
    “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows…” B Dylan.

  198. 198.

    MomSense

    @CaseyL:

    Hey late to the thread, but I would love to meet in Portland.  If you want some suggestions for things to do I can give you some local tips.  When in Machias you must drive to Cutler to Jasper Beach.  My description won’t do it justice.  You have to experience it.  It’s a rocky beach – tiny pebbles to boulders.  It’s just a really special place.

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