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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2016 / Thanks for nothing, Mitch

Thanks for nothing, Mitch

by Betty Cracker|  August 25, 20212:50 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity

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Thanks to sky-high political polarization and geographic distribution combined with the anti-democratic slaver vestige known as the Electoral College, a dwindling voter bloc comprising the least-informed and most noncommittal motherfuckers on the continent increasingly determine the outcome of U.S. presidential elections: swing voters.

Is that assessment harsh? Yes. But I stand by the description for anyone who would vote for President Obama in 2012 and then turnaround and vote for Donald Fucking Trump in 2016.

Trump’s nutso base gets all the attention because they are loud and stupid, make ghastly fashion choices and dabble in armed insurrection on behalf of an angry, bloated Circus Peanut. That rabble grew in number between 2016 and 2020, which is worrisome for all kinds of reasons.

But so did the share of Democratic voters who participated in the 2020 election, giving President Biden an enormous popular vote victory. Still, it wouldn’t have mattered if swing voters in key states hadn’t swung Biden’s way, according to analysis from the UVA Center for Politics.

So, why did those voters swing? Because Trump went hard-right in office after running as an angry, bloated Circus Peanut of less definitive political provenance:

Many political observers have argued that Donald Trump transformed the Republican Party during his four years in the White House. That is clearly true. Trump moved issues that he cared about — especially xenophobia — from the periphery to the center of the party.

What is not recognized nearly as often is that during his four years in office, the Republican Party transformed Donald Trump. The Donald Trump of 2016 lacked a clear ideological identity. While he was generally seen as some sort of conservative, he frequently took positions at odds with conservative orthodoxy including pledging to oppose cuts to Medicare and Social Security and to replace the Affordable Care Act with something providing more generous benefits at lower cost…

A variety of factors undoubtedly contributed to Donald Trump’s defeat in 2020, including his gross mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic. However, the growing perception of Trump as a far-right president, along with the nomination of the relatively moderate Joe Biden by the Democrats, very likely cost him enough support among swing voters in key states such as Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona to shift those states and their crucial electoral votes into the Democratic column.

I’ve sort of viewed Trump as a Frankenstein’s monster who escaped the Republican Party lab and rampaged beyond their control, but if this theory is true, politically speaking, it was the monster who was ill-served by the mad scientists. They drove him further right than the tiny portion of the electorate that counts in America could bear.

Interesting theory, and if true, it might have implications for a certain goobernatorial person here in Florida who aspires to be the next angry Circus Peanut. What do y’all think?

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  1. 1.

    misterpuff

    August 25, 2021 at 2:59 pm

    So what snack item is DeathSantis?

    I’m thinking Rancid Twinkie.

  2. 2.

    Jerzy Russian

    August 25, 2021 at 2:59 pm

    Well, there goes another food I won’t eat (being unhealthy with too much sugar and probably also fat is not a big enough obstacle for me).

  3. 3.

    Another Scott

    August 25, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    That analysis is too “normalizing” for my taste.

    TFG blew up the economy. He put RWNJs on the courts. He put babies in cages and “lost” them as far as the paperwork was concerned. He was impeached by House. He intentionally killed 500k+ Americans, while hoping for similar outcomes in PR, CA, and anywhere else he thought that he – personally – wasn’t getting enough fealty. After the election, he tried to overthrow the results and was impeached by the House again. And the GQP party has been with him the entire time.

    Maybe the number of people who recognized all that didn’t actually change. Maybe, instead, the intentional roadblocks to voting were sufficiently fought-against to over come them starting in January 2017.

    Grr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  4. 4.

    The Moar You Know

    August 25, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    It ain’t Mitch you’ve got a beef with.  The guy who drove American politics to the right with a vengeance (and made a Mitch McConnell possible) was Newton Leroy Gingrich.

  5. 5.

    Benw

    August 25, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    Seems like a reasonable theory: remember when Trump was “loveable” enough for Fallon to muss his mop? Now only the racist hard-right loves him. Also, actual voters who still “swing” between R and D are fucking idiots.

    I think the current R hopefuls’ strat is to ditch the swings entirely, and via gerrymandering and EC nullification (which yes, would require control of Congress) win with just the hard-right.

  6. 6.

    cain

    August 25, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    @misterpuff:

    I don’t think you can even find a rancid twinkie – those things can be measured in half-life. When all of us are gone – the twinkie will be our legacy.

  7. 7.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 3:04 pm

    Both sides are definitely pissed off.

    Rethugs because they wanted to get their racism and money grubbing on.

    Dems because the rethugs want to remake the country in their own image of hate and theft.

    Will SFB run? Too late, he’s already on it. Will SFB II run? Too late he’s already on it.

    Will either of them win? It is looking more doubtful by the day. Either will get a not insignificant number of voters, but it seems when their policy (or lack thereof) hits the ground it is less satisfying for a not insignificant percentage of the voters in 2016. It can be fun to try the new guy and see what’s what, but the engine broke, the wheels came off and then hit a power pole. SFB lost last time, while I see working hard to not let that happen again and being cocksure has never been a winning position I feel the blinders are off of enough people to realize what can’t happen again.

  8. 8.

    Low Key Swagger

    August 25, 2021 at 3:05 pm

    TFG just attracts broken people of every stripe. Can’t explain it, don’t care to analyze it beyond that. We have to work harder that they do with respect to turnout. Every. Damn. Time.

  9. 9.

    The Moar You Know

    August 25, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    What is not recognized nearly as often is that during his four years in office, the Republican Party transformed Donald Trump.

    Bullshit.  Trump just lied his ass off about what he was going to do.  That’s been the modus operandi of his entire life.  The Trump we got in 2016 was no different than the Trump we booted out in 2020.

  10. 10.

    bjacques

    August 25, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    I’d have gone with *circusized* peanut.

  11. 11.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 25, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    @misterpuff: Answer

  12. 12.

    Elizabelle

    August 25, 2021 at 3:07 pm

    @Benw:   A belated happy anniversary.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    August 25, 2021 at 3:08 pm

    and to replace the Affordable Care Act with something providing more generous benefits at lower cost

    Who knew it would be so complicated?

  14. 14.

    Mike in NC

    August 25, 2021 at 3:09 pm

    A hundred years from now maybe some historians will be able to explain how an illiterate, racist snake oil salesman who hosted a really shitty TV game show landed his fat ass in the White House.

    Also, too: recently learned that there is a Donald J. Trump III. Given his lineage, the kid is bound to be a major league fuckup.

  15. 15.

    sab

    August 25, 2021 at 3:10 pm

    That peanut reminds me of microsoft’s clippy after a lifetime of bad food choices.

  16. 16.

    FlyingToaster

    August 25, 2021 at 3:12 pm

    I’d predict that losing more citizens than his margin of victory is going to hurt #DeathSantis.

  17. 17.

    MisterForkbeard

    August 25, 2021 at 3:12 pm

    @Another Scott: The thing is, Trump didn’t really “blow up the economy” for a lot of people, particularly the rich. It was humming along with good metrics for rich people (and high employment) until covid hit, at which point his house of cards collapsed.

    Likewise, the media doesn’t really want to cover or explicitly name the bad things Trump did in stark terms. They want Dems to accuse him so they can “some say” it.

    LGM has a theory that the media can’t accurately describe the Republican Party because it really does sound insane, greedy and partisan – so it can’t be correct. I think that’s what happened around Trump. He was preternaturally awful, but accurately describing that awfulness just doesn’t sound realistic.

  18. 18.

    feebog

    August 25, 2021 at 3:12 pm

    New name for TFG on twitter; Dorito Gambino.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    August 25, 2021 at 3:13 pm

    I don’t think Trump ran on a more conservative policy platform in 2020 than in 2016. He just was no longer a celebrity but instead someone with a record.  That changed voter perception more than anything Trump did.

  20. 20.

    ant

    August 25, 2021 at 3:17 pm

    TFG zeroed in on what actually matters to the Republican base: That white men are in charge, and that everybody else know their place on the graduated inequality chart.

    He called it MAGA.

     

    The difference is that he showed that Republicans don’t give a fuck about anything else: tax cuts, healthcare costs, deregulation, globalization, small government, abortion, disease control…… none of it, unless it could be applied to maintaining white male supremacy.

     

    He also captured the attention of people with antisocial personality disorders – who are inherently really bad at collective action problem solving, which includes voting. It remains to be seen how using utilizing psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists as a keystone voting block works out for contemporary Republicans.

  21. 21.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 25, 2021 at 3:18 pm

    BC, I don’t buy the thesis.  During the 2016 campaign, TFG did three things consistently:

    1. never, ever, ever diss Putin
    2. demagogue against immigrants
    3. throw out whatever he thought his audience wanted to hear

    So for instance, he threw out pitches for health insurance that would cost $10/mo — stuff like that.  Nonsense.  Sure enough, #1, #2 stayed the same when he got in office.  And then (shocker) #3 turned into “standard stuff that favors rich guys”.

    Re-reading

    replace the Affordable Care Act with something providing more generous benefits at lower cost

    I feel like shaking this guy by his shoulders and saying “dude, we were there, we *heard* him: he was promising great housing developments built on swampland!!”

    He’s giving TFG way, way, way too much credit.

  22. 22.

    StringOnAStick

    August 25, 2021 at 3:19 pm

    @Another Scott: I agree, it is too normalizing.  It makes TFG look like a guy with popular ideas who got his head turned by some amorphous “party”, thus no blame can be assigned to any actual individual.  How convenient.  No blame for anyone, nothing to see here, move along, etc.

  23. 23.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 25, 2021 at 3:19 pm

    @feebog: Surely “Dorito Cheeto Gambino” ?

  24. 24.

    Elizabelle

    August 25, 2021 at 3:19 pm

    Trump and the Republicans [richly] deserve each other. Trump actually revealed the GQP for what it was, even while “some” don’t want to see that.

    I wonder if we are approaching peak wingnut. The craziness is unsustainable. One would hope.

    Perhaps they will collapse as quickly as Afghanistan. Lot more money propping them up, but once enough people see the situation …. who knows?

  25. 25.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 25, 2021 at 3:21 pm

    Have some music over here too.

    Something You Won't See Every Day: Lachy Doley, "Voodoo Child" (on the Whammy Clavinet)) https://t.co/X2Tp5X4nNA pic.twitter.com/JeM9hH5och— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 25, 2021

  26. 26.

    Another Scott

    August 25, 2021 at 3:21 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:  Yeahbut, it’s always the case that some people do fine in a depression. 75% of the workforce was working in the Great Depression… ;-)

    He (and the GQP) blew up the economy by not attacking the pandemic head-on early – even before it became a pandemic, as Obama did with Ebola and various influenzas. He intentionally made it worse (calling Americans home in a rush before closing the airports, having people jammed together cheek-by-jowl; his superspreader events; etc.). He was malicious because (as he said during the Great Recession) he expected that he’d be able to make a bundle buying stuff for pennies on the dollar; they hoped to throw out the health-and-safety rules, unemployment rules, minimum wage rules, etc. “Work or starve – your choice.”

    Nope, no quarter here.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  27. 27.

    Redshift

    August 25, 2021 at 3:22 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    LGM has a theory that the media can’t accurately describe the Republican Party because it really does sound insane, greedy and partisan – so it can’t be correct. 

    I don’t think it’s that it can’t be correct. I think it’s that there’s no way describe it accurately without sounding partisan, which they’ve been trained to avoid.

  28. 28.

    WhatsMyNym

    August 25, 2021 at 3:22 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    LGM has a theory that the media can’t accurately describe the Republican Party because it really does sound insane, greedy and partisan

    Or it’s because their interests lie in supporting the republicans, no matter what.

  29. 29.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 25, 2021 at 3:24 pm

    Thanks to sky-high political polarization and geographic distribution combined with the anti-democratic slaver vestige known as the Electoral College, a dwindling voter bloc comprising the least-informed and most noncommittal motherfuckers on the continent increasingly determine the outcome of U.S. presidential elections: swing voters.

     

    Is that assessment harsh? Yes.

    Nope!  Too nice!

    “I love the poorly educated!” once bellowed a traitorous, orange, fascist manchild.

    Sadly, the “poorly educated” were too stupid to know they were being called stupid to their stupid, stupid faces.

  30. 30.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 25, 2021 at 3:24 pm

    My impression that when Trump pushed Judge Mc Rapy-Crybaby for SCOTUS that was when the majority stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Coworkers were mutter about how “That shit it totally out of control”.

  31. 31.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 25, 2021 at 3:29 pm

    @Benw: Fuck Jimmy Fallon.  That fucking sack of shit.

  32. 32.

    Hoodie

    August 25, 2021 at 3:30 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: You can probably fold #2 into #3.  Trump basically told his supporters they could do anything they want, including hate anyone they want to hate, without guilt or consequences.  He was the Pied Piper of oppositional defiant disorder.

  33. 33.

    ant

    August 25, 2021 at 3:31 pm

    also, obligatory:

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu8FOTwM2U

  34. 34.

    Redshift

    August 25, 2021 at 3:33 pm

    @Chetan Murthy:

    1. never, ever, ever diss Putin
    2. demagogue against immigrants
    3. throw out whatever he thought his audience wanted to hear

    Yeah, I agree. It’s not that he believed these hard-right policies (except for the racism and xenophobia) and lied about it, it’s that he didn’t believe anything. On the campaign trail, he threw out lines that were all over the map and kept what worked. In office, of course he followed the GOP line, because it was the least effort. They didn’t “change” him.

  35. 35.

    Mousebumples

    August 25, 2021 at 3:33 pm

    In happier news, at least 1000 Afghan refugees have arrived at Fort McCoy in Wisconsin, according to reports. The Last Guy wouldn’t have let a single non white refugee cross the border, if he had his way, so we either would have left them in Afghanistan or tried to get an ally to take them all. (and i think allies are helping with some?)

    Biden and his team have been doing good with the airlift, my non expert self thinks?

  36. 36.

    smith

    August 25, 2021 at 3:35 pm

    @Elizabelle:  I really don’t think peak wingnut is possible. The problem is, the whole movement is as much about grifting as it is about ideology. In order for an aspiring politician (or pundit, or “influencer”) to successfully position himself or herself in the marketplace  of RW ideas, they need to out-radical their competitors — be louder, more outrageous, more dismissive of any norms whatsoever. This results in a ratchet, with each trying to leapfrog the others into the position that attracts the most attention and the most power/money.  You see this happening pretty much daily with Empty Greene. She continually tries out new routines to see which will draw the most gasps from her audience — an audience that includes the MSM as well as the goobers.

    Unfortunately, this ratchet has already reached as  far as blatant fascism, and I don’t know where they can go from there — maybe advocating genocide? — but go there they will.

  37. 37.

    Benw

    August 25, 2021 at 3:37 pm

    @Elizabelle: thanks!

  38. 38.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 25, 2021 at 3:37 pm

    I don’t think Trump was driven too many places, but he definitely benefited from the (unearned) impression of not being an extremist in 2016–Donald the populist dove!–and by 2020 that veneer was definitely gone.

    On things he didn’t give a shit about, like the judiciary, yeah, he just eenie-meenie-minie-moe’d a list of FedSoc judges.

    I do wonder how much worse off we would have been with Generic Republican at the helm in 2020. President Republican might have been better on masking, but that’s maybe a 10% effective intervention; President Republican would not have signed the CARES Act, which was surely more than 10% effective at reducing spread.

  39. 39.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 25, 2021 at 3:38 pm

    @Hoodie: Well, I meant more that #3 was how Trump could appear to people like Caitlyn Jenner [spit] as being somehow trans-friendly.  What people didn’t understand back then (and clearly this yutz *today*) is that he’s first and foremost a salesman-as-grifter, and that means he’ll tell you whatever you need to hear, to sign on the dotted line.  People just didn’t get that: the ascribed all sorts of positions to him, b/c last they’d heard of him, he’d supported those positions.  Not knowing that he’d support anything if it got him a vote.

    I also agree with you, that he really did believe in White Supremacy, and that White People should be allowed to do whatever they wanted: and that that was part of his hating on immigrants.

    Let me try again: #1 is his allegiance to his master.  #2 is his allegiance to his base.  #3 is his sales patter, the grift he pulled on a large part of America, lulling them into a false sense of security.

  40. 40.

    Bill Arnold

    August 25, 2021 at 3:40 pm

    it might have implications for a certain goobernatorial person here in Florida who aspires to be the next angry Circus Peanut. What do y’all think?

    I think all anti-RonDeSantis people should be absolutely ruthless about working to destroy him politically. That fucker is vile. I can Smell him up here in NYState. In particular, he kills and maims (long COVID) humans deliberately for personal/political gain.
    Rubio needs to go too. (Not as vile, but that’s due to insufficient talent.)

  41. 41.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 25, 2021 at 3:40 pm

    @FlyingToaster:

    I’d predict that murdering  losing more citizens than his margin of victory is going to hurt #DeathSantis. 

    Let’s be accurate.

  42. 42.

    Benw

    August 25, 2021 at 3:42 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: for sure. Fallon knows which side of his white-ass man bread the butter’s on, and is going to do his best to normalize the next fascist…

  43. 43.

    Betty Cracker

    August 25, 2021 at 3:43 pm

    @Redshift: That sounds right to me. What changed were voter perceptions, not Trump himself. Also what Baud said at #19 — instead of being the bomb-throwing celebrity he was in 2016, Trump was a politician with a record in 2020. A bad record.

  44. 44.

    Dan B

    August 25, 2021 at 3:45 pm

    @misterpuff: Twinkies don’t go rancid.  It is unpossible!

     

    • RegnerRon Death Santence is one small step shy of a Polonium Milkshake.  There are many people his personal Religion wishes invisible, and if too noisy, gone.  He’s like a fresh breath of Zyklon-b on a first fourth class cattle car.
  45. 45.

    Redshift

    August 25, 2021 at 3:49 pm

    @Mousebumples: Also heartening – Afghans have started arriving in Fairfax in Northern Virginia, where I live. One of the temporary processing centers is near Dulles Airport. Our county government has had to ask people not to bring donations to the processing center, because so many people want to help, promising that there will be opportunities to help later. (They’re just at the center for a few hours on their way to the military base, and later long-term housing.)

  46. 46.

    Dan B

    August 25, 2021 at 3:50 pm

    @The Moar You Know:   Sinema wants Dems to play nice with Gingrich’s heartless spawn.   Maybe it’s Newt’s lesbian sister who gives Kyrsten hope.  She should ask the nit-too-pleased sister about that.

  47. 47.

    RandomMonster

    August 25, 2021 at 3:50 pm

    However, the growing perception of Trump as a far-right president, along with the nomination of the relatively moderate Joe Biden by the Democrats, very likely cost him enough support

    Bernie Bros take note.

  48. 48.

    Mousebumples

    August 25, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    @Redshift: thanks for sharing the great news! ?

  49. 49.

    DCrefugee

    August 25, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    “angry, bloated Circus Peanut” somehow has to make it into the rotating taglines…

  50. 50.

    Redshift

    August 25, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    @cain:

    I don’t think you can even find a rancid twinkie – those things can be measured in half-life. When all of us are gone – the twinkie will be our legacy. 

    They do go stale, though. A friend over found a Twinkie in the trunk of his car that had fallen out of a bag years earlier. The Twinkie was rock-hard, but when they cracked it open, the filling was unchanged!

  51. 51.

    Hoodie

    August 25, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Yeah, I guess it goes without saying that Trump meant that the right people could do whatever they want.   Sure, it would be great if everyone could find it in his or her heart not to harbor any prejudices, but it’s pretty unrealistic to expect that.  A lot of, if not most, people have to be told that racist shit is not acceptable, kind of like you train your dog not to take a dump on the living room carpet just because she wants to.  Eventually that training turns into your dog’s psychological wiring to wanting to go outside because she wants to take a dump (and oh, by the way, there’s a lot of other interesting stuff out there).  Trump is the candidate for the dog who still wants to shit on the carpet.

  52. 52.

    trollhattan

    August 25, 2021 at 3:57 pm

    @misterpuff:

    Objection: Twinkies cannot technically go rancid.

    Or what Dan B said.

  53. 53.

    The Dangerman

    August 25, 2021 at 3:59 pm

    @Ruckus: OK, I’m either slow or distracted today. SFB? SFB II? I’ve been distracted ever since hearing about the Johnson booster shot. What? Oh. OK, never mind.

    TFG cared about two things only. Ok, three if you count Ivanka. Getting paid and getting laid. I’m convince if you dig deep enough, you’d discover the kickbacks he was getting from building the wall. Probably in cash slipped in with home cooked pies.

    /shawshank

  54. 54.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 25, 2021 at 4:01 pm

    @The Dangerman: Stupid Fucking Bastard.

  55. 55.

    trollhattan

    August 25, 2021 at 4:02 pm

    An LGM commenter found this nugget (think coprolite) opinion piece by the Trumpiest Trumpster in the history of Trumpism. I mean, it’s so over the top I’m questioning my conception of what top even means.

  56. 56.

    Bill Arnold

    August 25, 2021 at 4:02 pm

    @FlyingToaster:
    Somebody needs to do a genuine COVID-19 deaths by political party affiliation study. (That would be a straightforward way for a scholar to gain attention(+). )
    Something crude could be done with death notices for voting-age people and voter registration party information. Both are public information. There would be many deaths where political affiliation could not be determined with public records.
    https://www.findlaw.com/voting/how-u-s–elections-work/what-information-is-public-from-your-voting-record.html

  57. 57.

    trollhattan

    August 25, 2021 at 4:04 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    Yeah, there’s zero chance Trump did not get his beak wet amidst all the frantic wall-building. With all the shell companies, offshore entanglements, etc. I’m sure it’s quite well buried. Fred Sr. taught him that much.

  58. 58.

    Kent

    August 25, 2021 at 4:08 pm

    Trump and the current GOP are a horror show that is desperate to bring down the country around them in one last gasp of revanchist white supremacy with the gerrymandering, voter suppression, and everything else.  And it is terrifying.

    But nevertheless I think the long-term trends in this country are in the other direction.  It is just going to be bumpy as hell to get there.  For example, Boise, Salt Lake City, Omaha, and Des Moines are all blue cities within red states. But they are states in which the older red rural populations are rapidly declining and the blue urban populations are rapidly growing due to in-migration of young people, immigrants, and so forth.  It may take another generation or two but at some point those states will reach a tipping point where they will be more like Oregon with most of the population living in blue urban areas surrounded by a sea of de-populated red.

    My recent college-grad daughter is planning to re-locate to Charlestown SC this winter.  I thought fucking SOUTH CAROLINA?  Then I looked it up and it is a blue mecca in a red state.  She won’t be enough to flip that state, but maybe some day.

  59. 59.

    James E Powell

    August 25, 2021 at 4:14 pm

    [Trump] frequently took positions at odds with conservative orthodoxy including pledging to oppose cuts to Medicare and Social Security and to replace the Affordable Care Act with something providing more generous benefits at lower cost

    Are there still people so fucking stupid that they don’t realize he was lying when he said these things?

  60. 60.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 4:15 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    Yeah I’d bet he’s made more money from his presidential bullshit than he knows how to throw away in at least 5 years. And he’s good at that. He finally, after all those decades, has figured out how to successfully get paid. Of course he has no idea how to do that again.

  61. 61.

    cleek

    August 25, 2021 at 4:15 pm

    my brain has had about all of the Trump it can handle

  62. 62.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Some of the freshest things I was served for midrats in the navy. They never go bad because it was never food in the first place.

  63. 63.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 4:21 pm

    @cleek:

    You are just getting there?

    Or did you get yourself placed in a coma to protect yourself from the never ending barrage of dump trucks full of bullshit that he delivers daily?

  64. 64.

    Bill Arnold

    August 25, 2021 at 4:21 pm

    @trollhattan:
    That’s pretty over the top. Trump the businessman was never accused of racism?[1] In what universe is that true?
    If i ever met Bruce Bawer in person, I would insult him to his face as a delusional twit with a mind pickled by counterfactual propaganda, and if he tried to punch me, would physically humiliate him, with a possibility of damage depending on mood.

    [1] “It never occurred to you to reflect on the fact that Trump the businessman had never been accused of racism…”

  65. 65.

    catclub

    August 25, 2021 at 4:22 pm

    @Bill Arnold: For white people, who have died AFTER  vaccines are available, you will get a big  political bias toward trump followers.

     

    For non-white people, especially before vaccines, not much political signal. Lots of un-registered voters.  After vaccines  very slight political signal.  Thats my guess.

  66. 66.

    Bill Arnold

    August 25, 2021 at 4:23 pm

    @trollhattan:

    With all the shell companies, offshore entanglements, etc. I’m sure it’s quite well buried. Fred Sr. taught him that much.

    Computer security people call such complexity “attack surface”. Trump’s attack surface is HUGE.

  67. 67.

    Lapassionara

    August 25, 2021 at 4:26 pm

    Thanks for the art, Betty.  It has been a while since you rewarded us with a visual.

  68. 68.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 25, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    @Bill Arnold: It occurs to one, that this screed was never written for our consumption.  It was written to reassure the base, and give them both backbone and fodder to attack us in our TFG-hatred, to go out there and make bafflegab to confuse swing voters [I know, I know, it seems difficult to imagine they exist, but still ….]

  69. 69.

    Bill Arnold

    August 25, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    @catclub:

    For white people, who have died AFTER vaccines are available, you will get a big political bias toward trump followers.

    Agree (though it needs to be tested), and also that there is probably not much of a non-white signal.
    However, white people are a big part of the R base.

  70. 70.

    trollhattan

    August 25, 2021 at 4:28 pm

    My takeaway: don’t fuck with Hawaii.

    A couple from Miami Beach was arrested in Hawaii last week after police say they attempted to use fake vaccination cards to travel into the island for a family vacation.

    Enzo Dalmazzo, 43, and Daniela Dalmazzo, 31, were charged with falsifying a vaccine card, with Daniela facing an additional two counts for submitting fake documents for their two children.

    Violating the state’s COVID-19 mandates, including falsifying a vaccination card, is a misdemeanor that can result in a fine of up to $5,000, up to a year in prison or both.

    The couple was cited a total of $8,000 and posted bail. It was the second known case of visitors using fake vaccination cards to bypass quarantine in the last week.

    NBC Miami, August 18, 2021

    Now somebody drop a dime and call CPS.

  71. 71.

    The Truffle

    August 25, 2021 at 4:28 pm

    @Kent: Well, Texas is supposed to be getting more purple, and Georgia just flat out flipped in 2020. So let’s not rule out South Carolina. The fact is that COVID is going to kill off a lot of red state voters as well.

    Florida would be interesting to watch, because it looks like Ron Death Sentence has overreached. Will that overreach cost the GOP?

  72. 72.

    Elizabelle

    August 25, 2021 at 4:29 pm

    @trollhattan:   What a nut job.

    Bruce Bawer.  Poet, novelist, and “intellectual.”  Lives in Norway; moved to Europe in 1998 because, per wiki, he was disturbed by American fundamentalism.

    And now:  off the deep end.  Into very cold water.  Because:  Norway.

    American Greatness.  LOL.  They’ve got an article up about how HR 4 (the John Lewis voting rights bill) imperils free and fair elections.  By a woman concerned about teachers bringing Marxism into the schools.  Asshats.

    Not gonna read any of it.  Because.  Asshats.

  73. 73.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 25, 2021 at 4:30 pm

    @trollhattan: ​What’s funniest to me about this episode is that they got caught because they tried to present a vaccination card for a five year old. Goes to show you the level of vaccine knowledge the fraudsters are working with.

  74. 74.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 25, 2021 at 4:31 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: With Ruckus, it’s Shit For Brains.

  75. 75.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 25, 2021 at 4:34 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Are there still people so fucking stupid that they don’t realize he was lying when he said these things?

    Yes.

  76. 76.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    August 25, 2021 at 4:35 pm

    @Kent: ​
     

    My recent college-grad daughter is planning to re-locate to Charlestown SC this winter. I thought fucking SOUTH CAROLINA? Then I looked it up and it is a blue mecca in a red state. She won’t be enough to flip that state, but maybe some day.

    That’s a reason CO has turned blue. Still virulent strains of red on the Western Slopes and the godforsakeneasternplains and some deep rooted glibertarianism that provide some scary purple moments but it’s been the demographic shift here over the last 10 years that’s been a major cause.

  77. 77.

    MoCaAce

    August 25, 2021 at 4:37 pm

    Not to be too critical of the doodle but the mouth hole on that circus peanut needs to be more round and sphincter-like.

  78. 78.

    JMG

    August 25, 2021 at 4:39 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: One of my son’s best friends from high school here in Mass. has lived in Charleston for almost a decade now and has nothing but nice things to say about it.

  79. 79.

    germy

    August 25, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/conservative-lawyer-for-jan-6-defendants-who-formerly-represented-kyle-rittenhouse-is-reportedly-on-a-ventilator-due-to-covid-19/

     
    Conservative Lawyer for Jan. 6 Defendants Who Formerly Represented Kyle Rittenhouse Is Reportedly on a Ventilator Due to COVID-19

  80. 80.

    Splitting Image

    August 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm

    @germy:

    Conservative Lawyer for Jan. 6 Defendants Who Formerly Represented Kyle Rittenhouse Is Reportedly on a Ventilator Due to COVID-19

    Aww.

  81. 81.

    Elizabelle

    August 25, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    @germy:   I think one of my friends knows John Pierce, from before he was nutso.  She used to like him.  Will find out.  She sent me something about him a month ago, but no discussion about his being ill then.

  82. 82.

    misterpuff

    August 25, 2021 at 4:47 pm

    @misterpuff: Twinkies don’t go rancid.  It is unpossible!

    Yes but IMAGINE a rancid twinkie in all of its rotten glory. That would be DeSatantis.

  83. 83.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    August 25, 2021 at 4:47 pm

    Also, the label should be “swing” voters.  Somebody, probably somebody here, called so-called undecided voters (another label for “swing” voters:
    “…the main component in the Great Excusening.  It’s a quadrennial exercise where millions of mostly white voters who do not consider themselves RWNJs search for excuses as to why they can’t vote for Democrats.”
    They are Embarrassed Republicans hiding behind the swing/undecided moniker.  They’re loyal Republicans who are sick of TFG and are likely to vote a straight GQP ticket except for maybe him.  I wonder how those dumb asses who voted for Obama in 12, then the TFG in 16 voted down-ballot?
    Ultimately, I see your (Betty’s) point in that that microscopic slice of geographically distributed Embarrassed Republicans had had enough at the top of the ticket, probably not because of the actual policies but because he uttered all the inside words.​

  84. 84.

    Bill Arnold

    August 25, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    @germy:
    Antivaxxer lawyer on a ventilator; that will test the most saint-like among us.

  85. 85.

    Kent

    August 25, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    @The Truffle:

    @Kent: Well, Texas is supposed to be getting more purple, and Georgia just flat out flipped in 2020. So let’s not rule out South Carolina. The fact is that COVID is going to kill off a lot of red state voters as well.

    Florida would be interesting to watch, because it looks like Ron Death Sentence has overreached. Will that overreach cost the GOP?

    Yes, we lived in Texas for 13 years and watched it flip to bright red in the aughts during the Tom Delay period and then creep back to more purple.

    Florida seems a different case because its immigration patterns are different than most other western states.  It gets the hordes of geriatric snowbirds and hordes of wealthy revanchist Latin American upper classes moving in.  So I have given up trying to understand Florida and think it will be a race to blue up the state before climate change washes it away.

    In terms of the Senate, flipping Nebraska gives you just as much bang for the buck as flipping Florida.

  86. 86.

    smith

    August 25, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    @germy: Sounds like a man fully deserving of our tots and pears.

  87. 87.

    trollhattan

    August 25, 2021 at 4:52 pm

    @Kent: Tom Delay. Is it well known he’s effectively Dale Gribble?

  88. 88.

    trollhattan

    August 25, 2021 at 4:53 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Swingin’ voters have the bestest parties.

  89. 89.

    Ken

    August 25, 2021 at 4:53 pm

    @Bill Arnold: I’m beginning to think there’s a serial killer. How else do you explain the number of antivax conservatives who keep dying?

  90. 90.

    Elizabelle

    August 25, 2021 at 4:56 pm

    @Ken:   LOL.  Someone should investigate.

  91. 91.

    Eunicecycle

    August 25, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    @Ken: I think some Rs were saying that at some point, when Ds were wearing masks and social distancing and Rs were not. Gee, why would Covid get more Rs than Ds. Can’t figure it out.

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    August 25, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    @Ruckus: Who is SFB?

  93. 93.

    germy

    August 25, 2021 at 5:19 pm

    @smith:

    As it happens, Ryan Joseph Marshall, the lawyer who is handling John Pierce's cases as he fights COVID in the hospital, is awaiting trial in Pennsylvania on multiple charges of theft, fraud & conspiracy related to a prior job as a judicial law clerk. https://t.co/Z8H93AiAPK pic.twitter.com/a6JB7wudrn

    — Alan Feuer (@alanfeuer) August 25, 2021

  94. 94.

    sab

    August 25, 2021 at 5:22 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Steven Colbert is from Charleston.

  95. 95.

    Baud

    August 25, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @WaterGirl: SFB = TFG

  96. 96.

    Elizabelle

    August 25, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    @germy:   LOL.  Only the best.

  97. 97.

    sab

    August 25, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ruckus is absolutely committed to calling him Sh*t For Brains.

  98. 98.

    Dan

    August 25, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    Owning the libs will be the only qualification for the R candidate. But I am worried that, as good as he’s been, who’s going to want to vote for a 120 year old Biden in 3 years? And Kamala has been most unimpressive.

  99. 99.

    StringOnAStick

    August 25, 2021 at 5:54 pm

    @germy: He also has way more January 6 clients than he can represent, which is a legal ethics no-no.  Emptywheel has a post about that today.

  100. 100.

    Brachiator

    August 25, 2021 at 5:59 pm

    he frequently took positions at odds with conservative orthodoxy including pledging to oppose cuts to Medicare and Social Security and to replace the Affordable Care Act with something providing more generous benefits at lower cost…

    This is horseshit. Trump never had a coherent position on Medicare and Social Security.

    And Trump hated the Affordable Care Act because he hated Obama. Trump didn’t have enough smarts or administrative skill to draft any new policy covering anything. With respect to health care he offered nothing but threats and empty promises.

  101. 101.

    catclub

    August 25, 2021 at 6:07 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: That’s a reason CO has turned blue. Still virulent strains of red on the Western Slopes and the godforsakeneasternplains and some deep rooted glibertarianism that provide some scary purple moments but it’s been the demographic shift here over the last 10 years that’s been a major cause.

     

    The census report that texas has grown a lot over the past 10 years, ALL of it was growth of blue urban centers, should not be surprising, once you think about it. But texas always says it is beating california in the population race.

  102. 102.

    Ken

    August 25, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    @Dan: That’s such 2016 thinking. As we have now learned, in January 2025 Vice-President Harris will be able to declare anyone she chooses as the winner of the presidential election.

  103. 103.

    Brachiator

    August 25, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    The thing is, Trump didn’t really “blow up the economy” for a lot of people, particularly the rich. It was humming along with good metrics for rich people (and high employment) until covid hit, at which point his house of cards collapsed.

    The wild thing is that many wealthy and upper income individuals continued to do well during the pandemic, especially those who could work remotely. Even many who chose to retire had substantial portfolios to retire on, and people who had to take Covid related pension distributions got a nice tax break.

    Lower income groups suffered the greatest loss of jobs and wages.

    Some states like California initially saw deficits but ended up with substantial surpluses.

    What most upset Trump was a decline in GDP, which really did not mean much. But he is a stupid man who likes big, simple numbers.

    LGM has a theory that the media can’t accurately describe the Republican Party because it really does sound insane, greedy and partisan – so it can’t be correct. I think that’s what happened around Trump. He was preternaturally awful, but accurately describing that awfulness just doesn’t sound realistic.

    The media is reluctant to acknowledge that a substantial chunk of white people want an angry, bigoted populist authoritarian to lead them. They are willing to toss away democracy because it is not giving them what they want.

  104. 104.

    Betty Cracker

    August 25, 2021 at 6:51 pm

    @Dan: I worry about Biden’s age in 2024 too — hell, I worry about it NOW, despite thinking he’s doing a pretty good job so far. I don’t agree that Harris has been “most unimpressive,” but she has been mostly invisible unless you’re looking for news on her doings.

    That’s understandable; she’s the VP, which is a lower-profile role, and there’s a lot going on. But her portfolio (fix immigration and safeguard voting rights) is rather daunting.

    I don’t know whether Harris will be able to build an impressive list of accomplishments in the shitstorm that is Biden’s first term — enough to make her a shoo-in for the nomination if Biden doesn’t run again. But I do believe that under that circumstance, Harris will either be the nominee or the intraparty war that results in a different candidate will almost certainly doom us. 

  105. 105.

    J R in WV

    August 25, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    @Ruckus:

    We were at sea (unusual for building 16 — AS – 16) once when green salami was served for mid-rats. Everyone who ate that was sick, cooks were up for captains’ mast!

    I didn’t care for salami sandwiches, didn’t often eat mid rats. Mostly did jerky, dried fruit, hot tea at sea.

  106. 106.

    Chris Johnson

    August 25, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Thank you! I reposted that over at a sound engineer forum I know, with folks who engineered albums for Cyndi Lauper, Motown, Led Zeppelin, ZZ Top etc.

    They’re all sad (so am I but I didn’t know the man) that we lost Charlie Watts. It might cheer folks up a bit. That’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen :)

  107. 107.

    Another Scott

    August 25, 2021 at 7:42 pm

    @Elizabelle: Yup.

    TFG personified all the things that they said were great about ‘merica – getting rich, “plain talk”, “not a politician”, etc.  They couldn’t run against him without inviting uncomfortable questions.

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  108. 108.

    Dan B

    August 25, 2021 at 8:05 pm

    @trollhattan: I was in a Hostess (Twinkies) Bakery.  Nothing natural there.  Vans of tasteless* materials.

     

    *Don’t ask me how I know…

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 8:06 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    For him, either epitaph works.

  110. 110.

    WaterGirl

    August 25, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    @sab: Ah yes.  I confess that that description annoys me so much that I stop reading any comment that uses that name, and I just move on to the next comment.  It’s inexplicable, but I have a visceral negative reaction to that phrase.  So I guess it’s no wonder that I didn’t recognize the acronym.

  111. 111.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 8:21 pm

    @J R in WV:

    I was a transit barracks master of arms in Long Beach for about 5 weeks after I got discharged from the hospital in 73.

    Shift was 12 hrs on, 10 to 10, 72 hrs off. I had the pm to am shift, went home after a shift, didn’t even have to check in, just relieve the guy before me. Never saw the chief after the first day, my paycheck would be pinned to his bulletin board.

    So every day on duty we had to put the midrats in the fridge behind the counter. A twinkie, a dry, american cheese sandwich on white bread and a hardly boiled egg. MMMMM good. One night I checked a guy into the barracks, he asked if he could put his meds into the fridge, I asked him his name, he had the same first and last name as me and same middle initial. He’s the second person I’ve met with that.

    After that I did about 5 weeks in the Shore Patrol. Then about 4 weeks on a ship – early discharge. YEA!

  112. 112.

    Ruckus

    August 25, 2021 at 8:24 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I thought we’d discussed this before.

    I can not type his name, my hands won’t hit the keys in that combination. I had to find something else to call him, I imagine I could come up with something else, except I don’t have to think of him very much any longer. And don’t want to.

  113. 113.

    Steeplejack

    August 25, 2021 at 8:35 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    SFB = Shit for Brains. Ruckus has been trying (unsuccessfully) to make it a thing.

  114. 114.

    persistentillusion

    August 25, 2021 at 9:17 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: ​ I live in very red Colorado Springs. I’ve been here for nearly 30 years. Originally from Chicago, you bet I’m a D. Our democratic, progressive voices have gotten louder every year since I moved here. The rest of the Front Range is bluer than blue for the most part.​

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