Sen. Incitatus says we must respect the horse paste!
Of course he does… https://t.co/LStiZ7khwa
— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) August 29, 2021
The United States stands out in the global Delta wave@OurWorldInData
A wealth of vaccines and a relative dearth of vaccinees. pic.twitter.com/V6WBpkHJUl— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 30, 2021
Average daily Covid hospitalizations in the U.S. surpassed 100,000 patients over the past week, a level not seen since the peak last winter. https://t.co/FBYVLPwHKw
— The New York Times (@nytimes) August 30, 2021
After exceeding 100,000 hospitalizations, the US shows early signs of a possible descent, at 2-3 fold level attained compared with the UK and Israel pic.twitter.com/RMkbmCUGz0
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 30, 2021
Yes, this is why areas of high adult vaccination have low rates of child hospitalization. While awaiting child vax trials, most important thing is to get adults around them vaccinated. Thanks https://t.co/cJnElAI7SC
— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) August 28, 2021
"The American Academy of Pediatrics has provided the most striking call for expediting the process, saying the additional study should take two months rather than six." https://t.co/X3LsPAT3c9
— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) August 30, 2021
… The approval for school-age children ages 5 to 11 had been widely expected by the fall, with school returning. But the FDA last month moved to expand the trials to more closely examine rare but serious instances, particularly in young boys, in which the heart muscle becomes inflamed. This has pushed the timetable into early 2022.
For some key groups and even some allies of the administration, that’s not good enough amid a surge in cases among children.
Children accounted for 22.4 percent of all coronavirus cases last week. They are being hospitalized at about the same rate per infection as before the delta variant arrived, but because many more are contracting it, some pediatric wards are being overrun. And there are still the matters of kids transmitting the virus to others at risk of worse outcomes, as well as the potential for unknown long-term effects…
The downside of that pressure is that, if the process does move more quickly than health officials like Anthony S. Fauci are projecting, vaccine skeptics will again claim that the process was rushed. That’s hardly ideal, especially given that polls show even more skepticism about vaccinating children than about vaccinating adults. But the groups pushing for this reevaluation have to know that, and the fact that they’ve chosen to speak out anyway speaks volumes…
European Union governments agreed to remove the United States from the EU's safe travel list, meaning U.S. visitors and those from five other countries are likely to face tighter controls, such as COVID-19 tests and quarantines https://t.co/1FqzIn168a pic.twitter.com/gpbY5wZoAa
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 31, 2021
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The @WHO warned that Europe will likely see 236,000 new #COVID19 deaths by December 1.
Dr. #Fauci said the US could suffer another 100,000 deaths in the same time frame, mostly among people who continue to refuse vaccination.https://t.co/bciWMRNo0y
— MicrobesInfect (@MicrobesInfect) August 30, 2021
South Korea to begin offering COVID-19 vaccine booster shots in October https://t.co/xzMf0aBpjK pic.twitter.com/XRvfhIlCsA
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 31, 2021
Hong Kong's strict quarantine rules threaten to erode allure of financial hub https://t.co/CLWt2gXNJD pic.twitter.com/9XUSriHcsW
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 31, 2021
Singapore residents who took Sinovac jab turn to Pfizer for a boost https://t.co/sKGy7HHcHz
— South China Morning Post (@SCMPNews) August 31, 2021
Covid threatens Singapore's business hub crown https://t.co/ckMCP1U0OO
— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) August 31, 2021
Indonesia probes suspected data breach on COVID-19 app https://t.co/n2avV3GEYq pic.twitter.com/sAiOPrzfro
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 31, 2021
EXCLUSIVE Thailand's elderly lag behind in COVID vaccination drive, data show https://t.co/yHNlXeUJi9 pic.twitter.com/9FAslGXr7B
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 31, 2021
Fury as Covid crisis hits Australia's Aboriginal communities https://t.co/y70uTzt9vV
— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) August 30, 2021
Australia will receive 500,000 doses of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine from Singapore this week, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said, after Canberra agreed a swap deal in a bid to curtail surging coronavirus infections https://t.co/clWkp5S2aF pic.twitter.com/ejAEkjAVqC
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 31, 2021
Grateful to our friends in Singapore! This is fantastic news. Middle power diplomacy for the win! @MFAsg @dfat https://t.co/wN9qseT1p0
— Hunter Marston (@hmarston4) August 31, 2021
New Zealand Covid update: cases drop to 49 in ‘reassuring indication’ lockdown is working https://t.co/yZC0NoPoBh
— The Guardian (@guardian) August 31, 2021
If you think New Zealand's lockdowns are an infringement on our liberty, note that our shorter, stricter lockdowns have allowed NZ to be one of the freest countries in the world during the entire pandemic. pic.twitter.com/tqLzW869lE
— Kaila Colbin (@kcolbin) August 30, 2021
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Moderna's mRNA vaccine prompts twice as many antibodies as Pfizer's mRNA shot. A study of almost ~2500 workers at a Belgium health system found substantially higher antibody levels after 2 doses of Moderna compared w/ those who got 2 shots of Pfizer https://t.co/QMQjc0it7X
— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) August 31, 2021
Study shows prior exposure to #SARSCoV2 does not guarantee high level of antibodies, nor does it guarantee robust antibody response to first vaccine dose.
The findings support vaccination (& 2 doses), even for people who have previously been infected.https://t.co/SikXnjAeAx
— MicrobesInfect (@MicrobesInfect) August 30, 2021
Staying home, having access to primary care, and limiting *contagion hubs* curbs Covid deaths. Statisticians in the US & Italy compared outcomes in the epidemic's 1st wave across 20 regions in Italy. The more contact among people, the higher the mortality https://t.co/qsEeuA06uA
— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) August 31, 2021
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was one of the first to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. But members of the faith widely known as the Mormon church remain deeply divided on vaccines and mask-wearing. https://t.co/NRvLTf16Pl
— The Associated Press (@AP) August 31, 2021
People under 50 are being admitted to Texas hospitals with COVID-19 in larger numbers than at any point during the pandemic. https://t.co/jljr9Jg45u
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) August 30, 2021
The US Department of Education is investigating 5 states because of their mask-mandate bans, which experts in the department say may have run afoul of civil rights laws that protect students with disabilities https://t.co/RrWYnYefH0
— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) August 31, 2021
JUST IN: @usedgov opens civil rights investigations against Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Utah that bar mask mandates for schools: https://t.co/lO1vHLZFxt
— Ed O'Keefe (@edokeefe) August 30, 2021
A Florida judge declared DeSantis' mask ban unlawful last week.
— David Badash (@davidbadash) August 30, 2021
Once more, with feeling: you can’t open schools to unvaccinated kids without robust mitigation measures in place https://t.co/MUj9uWlUcf
— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) August 30, 2021
People saying we should be testing all students daily in US schools? Not possible. Schools are understaffed, substitutes in short supply as are agency RN, LVNs to do the testing.
— COVID19 (@V2019N) August 31, 2021
Duke University tells all employees they must get a COVID-19 vaccine or be fired … If employees don’t comply, they will be terminated and will not be eligible for rehire with Duke in the future, the announcement said. …https://t.co/FgwZgxCTv7 pic.twitter.com/hFZmsxzTur
— George Hess (@george_hess) August 29, 2021
All but eight of these people were vaccinated. Per Uni email, “the vast majority of them were, and continue to be, asymptomatic. A small number have minor, cold- and flu-like symptoms, and none have been hospitalized.”
Delta is very contagious. But the vaccines are working. https://t.co/PtM81kOnDs
— Kieran Healy (@kjhealy) August 30, 2021
A insane judge in Ohio has ordered a Cincinnati hospital to treat a Covid patient with Ivermectin. The order was handed down despite all scientific evidence demonstrating that ivermectin amounts to nothing more than quackery as far as SARSCoV2 is concerned https://t.co/CuEHI9Pg7A
— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) August 30, 2021
NeenerNeener
Monroe County, NY:
149 new cases on 8/30 and 1174 total for the previous week. 4.4% positivity. 20% of last week’s total cases were kids 0 – 19.
60.5% fully vaccinated
64.5% with at least 1 shot
Vaccinations seem to have stalled out again.
1369 deaths, up from 1361 last week. We seem to be losing 8 or 9 people every week again.
mrmoshpotato
Go fuck yourself, Charlie! You “Rush Limbaugh of Wisconsin” (h/t driftglass)
p.a.
Under the influence of reich-wing media, Rethug politicians, Putin intertube mis/dis-information, bible-thumping loons, we may be approaching “A witch! A witch!” levels of response to covid.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Smart woman. They don’t call her “The Queen” for nothing.
Wag
I hope the hospital in Cincinnati tells the judge to go pound sand.
OzarkHillbilly
I think I’ll tell this “judge” how to run his courtroom, interpret laws, and what his judgements should be. If this asshat is capable of practicing medicine, I am especially capable of practicing law.
Cermet
So some A/O judge thinks he can force MD’s to administer a drug that not only isn’t helpful but can be harmful; in direct opposition to the Hippocratic Oath MD’s are required to uphold; which, by the way, predates any laws by 2000 years.
mrmoshpotato
What’s this? What caused Betsy to start giving a damn about children?
Geo Wilcox
@Wag: The doctors sure as shit should. I would imagine if the patient dies the relatives could sue the whole system for poisoning the man with horse wormer even though they demanded it be administered.
YY_Sima Qian
On 8/30 China reported 0 new domestic confirmed cases & 1 new domestic asymptomatic case.
Yunnan Province reported 1 new domestic asymptomatic case (a Chinese national), at Ruili, found via screening of all residents in areas under lock down. 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 20 active domestic confirmed & 1 domestic asymptomatic cases there. 1 community & 2 villages at Ruili remain at Medium Risk.
Jiangsu Province did not report any new positive confirmed cases. 73 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 179 active domestic confirmed cases in the province.
Hunan Province did not reported any new domestic positive cases. 3 domestic confirmed cases recovered & 1 domestic asymptomatic case was released from isolation. There are currently are 90 active domestic confirmed (including 1 serious) & 10 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.
Henan Province did not report any new domestic positive case. 5 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 80 active domestic confirmed & 1 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.
Hubei Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. 1 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 68 active domestic confirmed (30 mild & 38 moderate) & 41 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.
Shanghai Municipality did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 9 active domestic confirmed cases in the city, 7 from the airport cluster & 2 from the hospital cluster. 5 residential compounds remain at Medium Risk.
Imported Cases
On 8/30, China reported 37 new imported confirmed cases (4 previously asymptomatic), 13 imported asymptomatic cases, 1 imported suspect case:
Overall in China, 114 confirmed cases recovered (28 imported), 10 asymptomatic cases were released from isolation (7 imported) & 4 were reclassified as confirmed cases (all imported), & 1,552 individuals were released from quarantine. Currently, there are 1,098 active confirmed cases in the country (633 imported), 6 in serious condition (5 imported), 443 active asymptomatic cases (383 imported), 1 suspect case (imported). 21,906 traced contacts are currently under centralized quarantine.
As of 8/30, 2,055.966M vaccine doses have been injected in Mainland China, an increase of 11.341M doses in the past 24 hrs.
On 8/31, Hong Kong reported 2 new positive cases, all imported (1 of whom had been double vaccinated).
OzarkHillbilly
@Geo Wilcox: If she wants him to get ivermectin, she is free to remove him from the hospital. She’ll just have to sign this little piece of paper called an AMA: Against Medical Advice.
mrmoshpotato
@OzarkHillbilly: The From-hospital-to-horse-farm papers.
Suzanne
I hope the LDS Church can be more forceful about vaccination. Both of the people I know personally who died of COVID are LDS. One died just as vaccines were in the early rollout stages and she hadn’t gotten it because she was just shy 65. The other died in this Delta wave and wasn’t vaccinated.
debbie
Five children are in the ICU in the children’s hospital here, two of them on ventilators.
NotMax
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Any news?
MattF
NYT on Ivermectin. Repeated testing has shown zero effectiveness against COVID.
debbie
@MattF:
First thought reading your first sentence was that the NYT is indeed in need of deworming.
lahke
@mrmoshpotato: Time warp much?
MattF
@debbie: I do wish they’d stop shitting their pants.
JMG
I am confused. First news reports said that the EU was advising member countries to end nonessential travelers from the US. Then there were reports that it was only advising limiting unvaccinated people from traveling from the US to member countries. We were/are planning to visit our daughter in France this fall, so it’s a matter of some concern. Which is it?
Spanky
@mrmoshpotato: Betsy? There’s a new Administration, ya know.
Cermet
@JMG: It is voluntary by EU members so, as of yet, matters zero.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Yep, still haven’t been able to talk to the NOLA boy but via a friend of a friend of his MiL’s on facebook my eldest son has received word that they are OK. They lost some of their roofing which let water in, causing their bedroom ceiling to collapse but AFAIK no other damage to their home.
Safe to assume they have no power and I wonder about water and sewer. Hopefully we will be able to talk in the next day or 2 and I can assess what help they might need and whether or not I can provide it from up here or if I can get down there.
mrmoshpotato
@lahke:
@Spanky: Both of you missed the sarcasm.
Anyway, time warp? Obligatory
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Sounds as good as it can be right now.
NotMax
@JMG
Why not go directly to the source?
Map of French consulate coverage in the U.S. Click on the area applicable to your location to get the phone number.
SiubhanDuinne
I didn’t expect to be shrieking with laughter within two minutes of waking up!! That is so perfect!
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Yep. I’m breathing a little easier now too.
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
Glad he’s safe!
Amir Khalid
Malaysia’s Director-General of Health Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah reports 20,897 new Covid-19 cases today in his media statement, for a cumulative reported total of 1,746,254 cases. He also reports 282 new deaths today, for a cumulative total of 16,664 deaths — 0.95% of the cumulative reported total, 1.13% of resolved cases.
There are currently 267,863 active and contagious cases; 1,005 are in ICU, 464 of them on ventilators. Meanwhile, 18,465 more patients have recovered, for a cumulative total of 1,461,727 patients recovered – 83.71% of the cumulative reported total.
22 new clusters were reported today, for a cumulative total of 4,731 clusters. 1,475 clusters are currently active; 3,256 clusters are now inactive.
20,896 new cases today are local infections. Selangor reports 4,370 local cases: 149 in clusters, 2,287 close-contact screenings, and 1,934 other screenings.
Sabah reports 2,594 cases: 40 in clusters, 1,573 close-contact screenings, and 981 other screenings. Sarawak reports 2,285 cases: 100 in clusters, 1,753 close-contact screenings, and 432 other screenings. Johor reports 2,159 cases: 152 in clusters, 1,104 close-contact screenings, and 903 other screenings.
Kedah reports 1,942 cases: 46 in clusters, 1,198 close-contact screenings, and 698 other screenings. Penang reports 1,732 cases: 127 in clusters, 565 close-contact screenings, and 1,040 other screenings.
Kelantan reports 1,479 cases: 69 in clusters, 951 close-contact screenings, and 459 other screenings. Perak reports 1,204 cases: 116 in clusters, 482 close-contact screenings, and 606 other screenings. Kuala Lumpur reports 1,003 cases: seven in clusters, 503 close-contact screenings, and 493 other screenings.
Pahang reports 798 cases: 164 in clusters, 516 close-contact screenings, and 118 other screenings.
Terengganu reports 608 cases: 25 in clusters, 439 close-contact screenings, and 144 other screenings.
Melaka reports 417 cases: 80 in clusters, 206 close-contact screenings, and 131 other screenings.
Negeri Sembilan reports 215 cases: nine in clusters, 97 close-contact screenings, and 109 other screenings.
Perlis reports 64 cases: three in clusters, 29 close-contact screenings, and 32 other screenings. Putrajaya reports 25 cases: 15 close-contact screenings and 10 other screenings. Labuan reports one case, found in other screening.
One new case today is imported, in Selangor.
The National Covid-19 Immunisation Programme (PICK) administered 463,024 doses of vaccine on 30th August. As of midnight yesterday, the cumulative total is 34,490,572 doses administered: 19.6 million first doses and 14.9 million second doses. 60.1% of the population have received their first dose, while 45.6% are now fully vaccinated.
New Deal democrat
On that Cincinnati case, the hospital’s attorneys have not spoken with reporters, and have not taken an appeal. So it sounds like the hospital entered its appearance before the court and took the position, “we’ll do whatever you order us to do, your honor.”
In other words, they really didn’t oppose the plaintiff, and were just looking for a butt-covering judicial order.
On another note, cases up 6% week over week after the big Monday data dump from the weekends. Looking at the data State by State, the original hotbeds in the South appear to all have plateaued or even be in decline, while the worst of the outbreak is migrating northward, especially to the least vaccinated States in the North. It might be Sturgis, or it might be Northern schools opening. It still looks like this wave is near peaking, and then we’ll have to see what cooler weather and increased indoor gatherings in the North do – probably a 5th wave after a pause.
Anonymous At Work
The stuff about “rushing” this approval in children causing more resistance is BS. It took FOX News all of 1 sentence to cast doubt on the vaccines when Pfizer gained full approval. Literally, their first sentence was basically, “FDA gives full approval but it smells fishy so continue resisting the vaccine.”
sab
@OzarkHillbilly: Kasich appointed him. That was the new thing in Ohio: prior judge steps down, Republican governor appoints replacement, and then he can run for election as an incumbent.
sab
@mrmoshpotato: DeVos is gone from Dept of Ed.
sab
@OzarkHillbilly: We heard from niece in Baton Rouge that her parents are okay but the cellphones are out. Maybe too the landlines.
OzarkHillbilly
@sab: I read somewhere that all the AT&T towers in the NOLA area are down and other cell providers are sketchy.
WereBear
Latest on my county, upstate NY, very rural:
Cases have decreased recently but are still very high. The number of hospitalized Covid patients has risen. Deaths have remained at about the same level. The test positivity rate is relatively low, suggesting that testing capacity is adequate for evaluating Covid-19 spread in the area.
Because of substantial spread, the C.D.C. recommends that even vaccinated people wear masks here.–
We will have visitors until Labor Day weekend. And we’ve had some: we’re an outdoor area with relatively good weather. Lots of nor-easters this year.
dmsilev
LA County seems to have crested a week or so ago; cases have been dropping slowly but steadily, and hospitalizations are also starting to come down. The peak in cases and hospital stays both were roughly 1/5 of the January surge. Schools are open. LA City Schools is testing everyone, regardless of vaccination status, once a week, and is mandating vaccines for adults. The teacher’s union just came out with a demand that students over 12 also be mandated to get the vaccine.
Just One More Canuck
@SiubhanDuinne: Incitatus’ ass would have been appropriate too
Sloane Ranger
Monday in the UK we had 26,476 new reported cases. The moving 7-day average is up by 1.8% but yesterday was a public holiday so offices were closed throughout the UK. There is no data from Wales and only partial data from the other three nations. We will only begin to see the true picture on Wednesday, possibly Thursday. New cases reported by nation,
England – 21,324 (down 1177)
Northern Ireland – 1259 (up 34)
Scotland – 3893 (down 3220)
Wales – Did not report.
Deaths – There were 48 deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported yesterday. This is an increase of 14.8% in the rolling 7-day average. Wales did not report. 42 deaths were in England, 6 in Northern Ireland, none reported in Scotland.
Testing – Not updated.
Hospitalisations – Not updated.
Vaccinations – As of Sunday, 29 August, 48,024,928 people had received the 1st shot of a vaccine and 42,718,652 had had both. This means that 88.4% of all UK residents aged 16+ had received 1 shot of a vaccine and 78.6% were fully vaccinated.
Ian R
@New Deal democrat: Who will actually do it, though? Doctors don’t work for hospitals. The universal legal fiction is that the hospital is a giant people storage barn that doctors just happen to be wandering through occasionally, and they have no legal relationship. At least, that’s how it works for medical billing, after you’ve paid the hospital and suddenly get another $100k in bills from the doctors.
Robert Sneddon
Scotland — There were 6,029 new cases of COVID-19 yesterday with seven new reported deaths of someone who had tested positive (note that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends and Monday this week is a holiday). Test positivity rate is 14.9%. ICU bed occupancy numbers are 54, up two from yesterday while hospitalisations have increased by 37 to 585.
There have been data collection delays from the past few days, indicative of a surge in at-home and central-lab testing over the past week or two so the published data is not ‘smooth’. The case numbers and other indicators are trending steadily upwards though.
There were just under 15,500 vaccinations carried out in Scotland yesterday (Monday) with about 20% of them first-doses. This brings the total in the adult (18+) population to 91.1% first-dose and 82.7% fully vaccinated. The first-dose vaccination rate for 16 and 17-year-olds is now 48.8%.
It appears the effort to get more 18-40 year olds vaccinated is stalling out for whatever reason — hesitancy, inability to take time off to get vaccinated, Young Immortal syndrome, I don’t know.
matt
Here’s a contrarian position here: the judge made the right call on this ivermectin case. Sure the drug is a placebo for this disease, but when properly administered it’s going to be harmless.
smith
@matt: I suspect that part of the calculus here for all the players is that the guy is on death’s door, so a little bit of horse dewormer probably won’t make any difference. It might be different if he had a good chance of survival.
On the other hand, it’s a truly terrible precedent. After the pandemic is over, I’ll be surprised if any doctors will be eager to practice in red states.
smith
@Ian R: Billing and lines of responsibility are two different things. Doctors gain privileges to admit their patients to hospitals — it’s not open to any old person with a license. Once admitted, a patient has an attending physician with staff privileges who oversees their care. Any changes in the care plan would normally have to go through that person (IANAMD, so if any real doctors are out there and want to add to/correct this, please do).
Ramalama
Quebec’s vaccination passport starts today or tomorrow and will start becoming enforceable next week.
We won’t be allowed in any place of business, school, church, whatnot without it.
I still do not have a Canadian cellphone (I’m not a Luddite. I just hate talking on the phone). So this is an easy problem for me to fix.
Also, no deaths in Quebec province due to Covid.
New Deal democrat
@Ian R: If I recall correctly, the Order was entered on the 23rd, and he has been given several doses of Ivermectin since, so *somebody* at the hospital is doing it.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@mrmoshpotato: yup
he elevated gqp insanity with his cheerleading for the 2002 recall of tom ament, & shilling for scott walker, but he is shocked what came next
JAM
I wonder if it would be possible to start a new trend for fluvoxamine treatment of covid– it’s safer than ivermectin or HCQ and there is actually evidence that it helps if given early in infection.
Even if it doesn’t turn out to work that well, maybe it will get these people to calm the f**k down.
The Moar You Know
@New Deal democrat: Seems a shit way to put someone out of their misery, which medically is what this amounts to – physician assisted suicide. I’d prefer a whopping big dose of Dilaudid.
Sasha
The irksome thing about the court-ordered Ivermectin patient is, if he recovers, it will be “proof” that Ivermectin is a COVID cure.
The Moar You Know
@Sasha: Been on a vent for four weeks. Your odds of recovering from that are exceptionally low.
But that’s OK, they’ll move the goalposts again after he dies and – I guarantee it – the excuse will be that he didn’t get the treatment early enough because Democrats and Big Pharma want God Fearin’ Muricans like him dead.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@The Moar You Know: exactly right
Hob
@matt: That sure is a contrarian position, in the usual sense of having been said for no good reason except that no one else had said it. First, you have no reason to think that this would be “properly administered”— did you look at the details of what the judge ordered? No human being is supposed to take 30 mg of ivermectin daily for three weeks. Second, this is a horrible precedent— it has never in the past been possible for a private physician to legally compel hospital staff to administer any treatment that’s contrary to their guidelines, and if you start making an “oh well what difference does it make in this case” exception you open the door to an insane flood of harmful snake-oil demands, because there’s a ton of doctors out there who are quacks and cranks.
Parfigliano
@The Moar You Know: I’m OK with Americans like him being dead.
Ramalama
I try not to revel in unvaccinated people getting killed from Covid. I recall a time, not too long ago, when people were dancing (metaphorically) on the graves of mostly dead gay men who’d died from HIV/AIDS. Saying it was God’s will, and that the perverts deserved it. It was an ugly time for those of us in the ruins of peoples’ lives. I know the difference but there are remnants of feelings I don’t want to get into here and then.
J R in WV
We got our #3 Moderno booster last Friday at the Kanawha County Health Dept. after a neighbor who works there gave us a heads up. Monday my cousin went for his #3 booster shot as well. So WV is ahead of most of the country on boosters. They also had Pfizer available, not sure about J&J. Very professional operation, lots of people being moved through, almost no waiting before being vaccinated, actual shot administered by an EMT or paramedic. 5 minutes sitting around after the shot.
Rumor was that they had quite a bit of vaccines about to expire and wanted to get them into arms, any arms. Arms are still sore 4 days later. Wife’s wallet was not in her purse, so front desk guy was able to look up our previous vaccinations at the Clinic in our home county on a state DB, which was impressively professional too!