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Would you look into those motherly eyes?

by $8 blue check mistermix|  August 31, 202110:02 am| 120 Comments

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It’s not ok for “peaceful” protesters to scare our patients and their families making them not want to come to the hospital. It’s not ok to throw things at people and kick their cars.

I’m out of patience, and I’m furious. It’s nauseating to see how terrible people have become. https://t.co/QJja6GHxr9

— Maha Kaissi, MD, FAAP (@maha_kaissi) August 31, 2021

These are pediatricians practicing at a local hospital. Obviously, these are violent protests and the protesters should be arrested, but they won’t be, for a variety of reasons. The first reason is that they’re white. I assume the other reasons include the demonstrated inability of the police to stage a moderate response to a protest, as well as the hospital’s desire to avoid bad publicity. And did I mention that the protesters are white?

The same goes for the loud anti-mask mobs at school board meetings. They should be escorted out by security as soon as they yell over everyone, but they aren’t. Instead, meetings are being cut short.

Ignoring these people will not make them go away. Protestors at BLM marches go there prepared to be arrested. I’ll bet you that most of these people go to these protests with the same attitude as the 1/6 protesters, who are shocked when they receive consequences. Of course, the consequences that the 1/6 protesters have received so far pale in comparison to the average of 27 months that BLM protesters received. But at least being arrested and booked might deter some of these loudmouths. Our teachers and healthcare workers deserve it.

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  1. 1.

    sab

    August 31, 2021 at 10:06 am

    They won’t be arrested because the police unions are on their side.

  2. 2.

    Tony Jay

    August 31, 2021 at 10:21 am

    Of course, the consequences that the 1/6 protesters have received so far pale in comparison to the average of 27 months that BLM protesters received.

    Sounds like someone in Congress with subpoena powers and a thirst for justice should start an investigation into sentencing disparities where 1st Amendment protest issues are concerned.

    Make them aware that questions are being asked, attention paid and receipts kept. Just because this shit keeps on happening it doesn’t mean it should be allowed to keep on happening without public debate. Make the system own its biases.

    YMMV

  3. 3.

    ellie

    August 31, 2021 at 10:25 am

    Sweet and tender hooligan!

  4. 4.

    MattF

    August 31, 2021 at 10:28 am

    And… the theory that getting COVID is ‘just as good’ as getting vaccinated is not true.

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 10:31 am

    These are pediatricians practicing at a local hospital. Obviously, these are violent protests and the protesters should be arrested, but they won’t be, for a variety of reasons. The first reason is that they’re white.

     

    Beginning

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    of story

  6. 6.

    Joe Falco

    August 31, 2021 at 10:32 am

    I wonder what the Vinn diagram of these hospital protestors overlap with the people that protest outside abortion clinics look like? A perfect circle?

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 10:32 am

    I will bite.

    Why THE PHUCK are they protesting at a HOSPITAL?

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 10:36 am

    This is a serious question.

    With the word out that Moderna is giving twice the antibodies of Pfizer.

    Can we get the booster with Moderna, if we were originally vaccinated with Pfizer?

  9. 9.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 31, 2021 at 10:48 am

    The same goes for the loud anti-mask mobs at school board meetings. They should be escorted out by security as soon as they yell over everyone, but they aren’t. Instead, meetings are being cut short.

    And anyone who makes implied threats should be charged and booked.  Like if they show everyone the addresses of, say, the board of ed members, and promise to protest outside their houses with guns if they vote the wrong way.

    I’m totally fed up with this shit of RWNJs making life hell for everyone they disagree with, and nothing being done about it.  I never thought I’d use these words, but I want my country back, dammit.  I refuse to let borderline (mostly, so far) violent nutjobs take it from me.

    @rikyrah:

    Beginning

    Middle

    End

    of story

    All too true.

  10. 10.

    cain

    August 31, 2021 at 10:49 am

    My fiancee is a school teacher who is actually working on the materials that teachers will be using to teach students. The school district is 75% non-white. That doesnt stop these idiots in showing up.

    Yesterday, my girl had to leave early because of a plan protest for a board meeting that is virtual. :eyeroll: And apparently proud boys are showing up because we learned that antifa was showing up too, so now we have this stupid ass battle to protest when all the members are attending virtually.

    I wish antifa would not show up because it gives these people a heightened platform to spew their bile.

    Anyways, she lit out of there at 3:30pm especially when security showed up and started locking doors and closing the binds.

    ETA: oh myyyy – #10! That’s a first I think!

  11. 11.

    sab

    August 31, 2021 at 10:50 am

    @rikyrah: Our hospital had doctors and nurses protesting the new vax mandate. 70% vaxed and 30% nutz.

  12. 12.

    ETtheLibrarian

    August 31, 2021 at 10:50 am

    My mother lives in New Orleans in one of the independent living facilities that does have more intensive care. She is having to leave for at least month. Don’t know if that is the city saying that or the facility, luckily she has options and is going to Mississippi for that time.

  13. 13.

    Roger Moore

    August 31, 2021 at 10:50 am

    @rikyrah:

    I don’t think there’s a serious problem with getting a booster with a different vaccine than the one you got your initial vaccination with.  Of course it hasn’t been tested the same way getting a booster of the same shot has, so that will probably not be the recommendation.  That said, antibodies aren’t everything!  You really need to look at cellular immunity (T- and B-cells) to get the full picture; it’s very important for viral immune response.

  14. 14.

    cain

    August 31, 2021 at 10:50 am

    @Tony Jay:

    Word. But I also think that it will feed right wing anger even further. I wonder if we keep doing it that the grift starts going down because these people will run out of money to give.

  15. 15.

    Kay

    August 31, 2021 at 10:51 am

    The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit against the state of South Carolina for its law banning mask mandates, on grounds that such a ban jeopardizes students with disabilities.

    Biden Administration is taking the same approach. It’s smart. If a ban on mask mandates means students with disablities can’t attend in person, that’s not equal treatment.
    In addition, students with disabilities were harmed most by the school closures, so they’ll use that too.

  16. 16.

    cain

    August 31, 2021 at 10:51 am

    @sab: Fire their ass!! The virus is showing who all can be trusted. Let them wave their freak flag so that we can identify them.

  17. 17.

    dr. bloor

    August 31, 2021 at 10:52 am

    “If my husband chooses to stick by his convictions, he’s going to lose his job,” Willert said. “We may have to move out of state, he may have to work two jobs to support us. I’m not sure what the future is. We have a strong faith in God.”

    Tate Reeves would be happy to welcome you to Mississippi. No one is afraid of anything there.

  18. 18.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    August 31, 2021 at 10:56 am

    @cain: Part of the reason for this protest is medical workers who are going to be fired when they show up unvaccinated.  The hospital isn’t the place to protest, though — this is a state mandate.

    @dr. bloor:  I was thinking about polishing up my tiny violin for her, but then I remembered that he could walk into that building she’s protesting in front of and get a free, possibly life-saving shot.

  19. 19.

    randy khan

    August 31, 2021 at 10:56 am

    From the first linked article (and, yes, all the protestors are white):

    “If my husband chooses to stick by his convictions, he’s going to lose his job,” Willert said. “We may have to move out of state, he may have to work two jobs to support us. I’m not sure what the future is. We have a strong faith in God.”

     

    Yeah, that’s the choice – get the shot or lose your job because not getting the shot endangers other people.

    And, bearing in mind that what he’s dead set on is that he shouldn’t get an extremely safe vaccine that in addition to protecting the patients and other staff at the hospital will protect him and his family from a deadly disease, I’m not sure it really qualifies as a conviction.

  20. 20.

    Benw

    August 31, 2021 at 10:59 am

    Man I was taught that Louis Pasteur was a hero, but all along he was playing the (very) long game to kill us all!

  21. 21.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 11:02 am

    @rikyrah:

    Here’s what one pharm chain says:

    The additional dose of COVID-19 vaccine should be the same vaccine as the initial series, when possible, and administered at least four weeks after completing the primary regimen. Patients must be 18 or older to receive the Moderna vaccine, or 12 and older to receive the Pfizer vaccine.

    I’m very interested in getting a booster shot. I’m waiting on the CDC’s opinion on mixing or matching.

  22. 22.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 11:04 am

    It was pandemonium at the Lee County (FL) School Board today, after the Superintendent announced a mask mandate. A doctor was assaulted and numerous fist fights broke out, including this one on live TV. pic.twitter.com/8Dz3j7hcws

    — Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) August 30, 2021

  23. 23.

    Yarrow

    August 31, 2021 at 11:06 am

    Reminder that some of these protesters may be actors. See this thread for lots of examples. Who’s paying for these people to show up at all these protests?

    This anti-vaxxer getting humiliated by @waltermasterson is named Ashley Jefferey.

    Ashley Jefferey is an actor, with an IMDB profile.

    ]He has no visible means of income. He has unlimited free time to attend anti-vaxx events 5 days a week.

    Let's dive in.

    pic.twitter.com/aX4zL9IOmu— Chad Loder (@chadloder) August 1, 2021

  24. 24.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 31, 2021 at 11:10 am

    @MattF: The discourse on prior infection vs. vaccination is just absolute whiplash–we had several days of that Israeli preprint making the rounds saying the exact opposite. Science by Twitter is tiring!

  25. 25.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    August 31, 2021 at 11:10 am

    Re: vaccines: collect the whole set!

     

    For the MAGAts, they should inject the whole set: Bleach, Lysol, Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, colloidal silver, KCN-flavored Kool Aide.

  26. 26.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 31, 2021 at 11:12 am

    @Yarrow: I recall a lot of discussion of whether this meant some specific agent was hiring all these actors to be astroturf protesters, or whether it’s just an indication that it’s common for a particular type of histrionic borderline personality to present as an unemployed actor. People who lived in Southern California seemed prone to think it was #2.

  27. 27.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 31, 2021 at 11:16 am

    @MattF: …note, though, this study doesn’t say whether these people would have seroconverted if vaccinated. It’s possible some of them might be people for whom the vaccine doesn’t work either. On the other hand, the dependence on viral load does suggest that a vaccine should be more effective than a mild infection.

  28. 28.

    Yarrow

    August 31, 2021 at 11:16 am

    @Matt McIrvin:  There’s no reason it can’t be both. There are some screenshots of Craigslist ads for actors to show up at various rallies, so some of it is acting. There could be individual people who are actors showing up on their own and not getting paid.

    It’s worth following the money to find out who is paying these “crisis actors,” a phrase rightwing people threw around a lot several years ago. It’s always projection with them, so that’s a good clue.

  29. 29.

    The Moar You Know

    August 31, 2021 at 11:20 am

    And… the theory that getting COVID is ‘just as good’ as getting vaccinated is not true.

    @MattF: That’s been known since the first cases started cropping up more than a year ago, where people were getting sick with the same variant two, three times.  Some of them far sicker the second time around.  I assume nobody’s survived four.

    Just like with kids getting it and being a huge vector for spreading it.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad the CDC has finally figured it out, but I do wish they’d get this done a bit faster.

  30. 30.

    dlwchico

    August 31, 2021 at 11:22 am

    @rikyrah: https://anewscafe.com/2021/08/25/redding/redding-nurse-frustrated-by-unvaccinated-colleagues-wholl-lie-to-get-around-state-mandates/

  31. 31.

    Ken

    August 31, 2021 at 11:25 am

    @dlwchico:
    Redding Nurse Frustrated by Unvaccinated Colleagues Who’ll Lie to Get Around State Mandates

    — #NotTheOnion

  32. 32.

    randy khan

    August 31, 2021 at 11:26 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    Ironically, one of the tweets that seems to have finally gotten Alex Berenson suspended from Twitter was about a study that concluded  (among other things) that people who had suffered through COVID would benefit from being vaccinated.  He obviously omitted that bit because it was counter to his false narrative.

  33. 33.

    catclub

    August 31, 2021 at 11:28 am

    @Snarki, child of Loki: ​
     

    KCN-flavored Kool Aide.

    I saw whut you done there

  34. 34.

    MontyTheClipArtMongoose

    August 31, 2021 at 11:29 am

    @sab: first post throwing it down with authority

  35. 35.

    catclub

    August 31, 2021 at 11:30 am

    @The Moar You Know: also the reports that  long covid patients who get MUCH better after vaccination needs more play.

  36. 36.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 31, 2021 at 11:32 am

    @catclub: I wouldn’t oversell that–it’s a minority of long COVID patients. It’s possible that “long COVID” is several distinct things.

  37. 37.

    Yarrow

    August 31, 2021 at 11:34 am

    @Matt McIrvin:  Even people who don’t have obvious “long covid” symptoms can turn out to have heart or lung issues once they are examined.

  38. 38.

    Shakti

    August 31, 2021 at 11:34 am

    @Joe Falco:  We collectively decided to normalize harassment when it’s right wing protest. We let people “protest” outside of abortion clinics and funerals (Westboro Church). We let people “open carry protest” during a time of mass shootings. We let Tucker Carlson run his fucking mouth about calling CPS when you see kids wearing masks.  And then we’re all surprised that doctors, patients and teachers are harassed for wearing masks during a pandemic.  We live in the stupidest timeline.

     

    We normalized compromising with RWNJ when it came to most vulnerable parts of the coalition.  It’s endless incrementalism even when we have a goddamn majority. Even when we had a filibuster proof majority.

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    August 31, 2021 at 11:39 am

    @MattF: Wow.

  40. 40.

    Redshift

    August 31, 2021 at 11:40 am

    On the positive side, the school board scream-fests in nearby Loudoun County, VA over critical race theory and trans inclusion, which got a lot of news coverage, appear to have failed completely. There are some indications they sparked more Democratic than GOP enthusiasm for this year’s elections, which was transparently the reason why astroturf groups were organizing them, though of course we won’t know for sure until November.

  41. 41.

    Joe Falco

    August 31, 2021 at 11:40 am

    @Shakti:

     It’s endless incrementalism even when we have a goddamn majority, filibuster proof.

    We don’t have a filibuster-proof majority, but your point is taken about the incrementalism of right-wing protest.

  42. 42.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 11:43 am

    @sab:

    Vax Mandate

     

    Oh well.

    Let their azzes get fired, then.

  43. 43.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 11:44 am

    @cain:

    @sab: Fire their ass!! The virus is showing who all can be trusted. Let them wave their freak flag so that we can identify them.

     

    come sit by me.

  44. 44.

    debbie

    August 31, 2021 at 11:44 am

    @rikyrah:

    It’s not recommended, from what I’ve read.

  45. 45.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 11:45 am

    @dr. bloor:

     

    “If my husband chooses to stick by his convictions, he’s going to lose his job,” Willert said. “We may have to move out of state, he may have to work two jobs to support us. I’m not sure what the future is. We have a strong faith in God.”

     

    And?

    So?

    Get a new job.

    It’s so obvious. They are not used to CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

    You all big and bad.

    Accept the CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    August 31, 2021 at 11:46 am

    FYI. Just saying no to parishioners looking for get out of vaccination free “religious exemption” cards.

    Some 95 pastors and priests have written an open letter in the Star-Advertiser urging the public to get their shot to protect against COVID-19. Those who signed the letter represent various religious organizations from different religions that serve thousands of church goers. Source

  47. 47.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 11:46 am

    @germy:

    And NO ARRESTS?

  48. 48.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 31, 2021 at 11:47 am

    @dr. bloor:

    Willert’s husband works as a locksmith at the University of Rochester Medical Center, and believes getting any vaccine should be a choice and not forced by the government.

    I’ve held a number of jobs since I got out of college, and pretty much every employer has required some things of me that I’ve been less than happy with.  I’m sure that’s true of pretty much everyone.

    It’s up to each person, what issues they regard as so important that they must absolutely take a stand, and what things aren’t worth sacrificing a job over.

    If that’s the hill this particular idiot wants to die on (well, sacrifice his and his family’s livelihood on), that’s fine with me.  I’d say he’s choosing a pretty stupid issue to elevate to that level, but it’s his and his family’s lives, not mine.

  49. 49.

    James E Powell

    August 31, 2021 at 11:48 am

    The difficulties with the loud and violent right-wingers are made worse by the fact that the press/media & the police love them

    Have we learned what euphemism the press/media are going to use for brazenly racists assholes for the midterms?

  50. 50.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 11:50 am

    @rikyrah:

    Cops are gentle in certain situations.

  51. 51.

    Mike in NC

    August 31, 2021 at 11:50 am

    Enjoyed seeing video of a couple dozen entitled white people at an anti-mask/anti-vax rally in Old Town Alexandria, VA yesterday. Some cops were nearby and they didn’t even get out of their cars. We used to dine out in Old Town quite often but are happy to be far away from those idiots.

  52. 52.

    Redshift

    August 31, 2021 at 11:52 am

    @Yarrow: There’s also a lot of activity where the speakers are real wingnuts who are riled up by Fox and Facebook groups, but the organizing and financing are done by right-wing organizations. (The leaders of some of the local DC-area groups are longtime Republican operatives. They do live here, but they’re not just random parents.) Also there are cases of the same people spew the same talking points in multiple districts, so even if they’re unpaid, they’re not “concerned parents” speaking where they live.

    Back in the Tea Party days, a guy I knew joined the local group when they were claiming to be a nonpartisan group concerned about deficits, so they didn’t kick him out for being a Democrat. One of the things he noticed was that they talked about organizing bus trips to protests and various other activities, but they never talked about fundraising or how they were going to pay for any of it, which is a constant concern for real grassroots groups. It’s a weird kind of hybrid that continues to this day; they weren’t completely astroturf, because they really did want to be active, but you can bet if they ever wanted to advocate for something the Koch brothers didn’t agree with, the money and the group would have dried up real quick.

  53. 53.

    VOR

    August 31, 2021 at 11:53 am

    @cain: That is the one good thing resulting from TFG. They used to use dogwhistles so it was hard to reliably identify extremists. Now they use foghorns like wearing MAGA gear or flying Confederate flags while they self-identify. Subtle is no longer operative.

  54. 54.

    Shakti

    August 31, 2021 at 11:53 am

    @Joe Falco: Should’ve specified the time that we did. :-/

    I know it was for about 72 days back in 2009-10; Sen. Ted Kennedy RIP. And yes, it was very brief. But those RWNJ work for years to advance their agenda and get so much done in the same amount of time.

    We are really bad at taking physical human frailty into account with our leaders and really bad at forcing strategic retirements when it comes to lifetime appointments or Senate seats in “safe for now” states.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    August 31, 2021 at 11:55 am

    @James E Powell

    Have we learned what euphemism the press/media are going to use for brazenly racists assholes for the midterms?

    Can we take it as a given that dusting off “compassionate conservatism” ain’t gonna fly?

    //

  56. 56.

    WereBear

    August 31, 2021 at 11:56 am

    @MattF: While that is so… they will also refuse to believe it…

  57. 57.

    Kent

    August 31, 2021 at 12:00 pm

    First day back at school here in Camas WA.   I think our school district is basically getting things right.

    1.  Universal mask-mandate for all students and staff regardless of vaccination status (unless you are isolated from other people like a teacher working alone in their classroom before or after school or during a prep period.
    2. Mandatory vaccinations for all school employees per state law.  There is some sort of religious exemption but they don’t have approved forms yet so the school district basically gives them a blank piece of paper and says “write it all out and we will look at it”  So no bullshit forms from some random church in CA.  You actually have to explain your anti-vax religious beliefs in your own words.  There is discussion of mandatory vaccines for kids 12 and up and the union is pressing for that, but they aren’t there yet.
    3. About 95% of staff and maybe 69-70 percent of students are already vaccinated.  So not bad.
    4. Mandatory seating charts for all students in all classes that are filed electronically with the school administration.  That way they can quickly contact trace when there is a positive case.
    5. When a student tests positive, all the neighboring students in each class are contacted but ONLY those who are un-vaxed are sent home for quarantine.  Vaccinated students get to stay in school during the quarantine period.  This is very smart.
    6. Masks required for all non-athletes at sporting events like football games and such.
    7. Less performative stuff like mandatory temperature screenings and such each day, which never accomplished much.
    8. Kids are all abuzz like any normal first day back.  The masks are not a big deal except to MAGA parents.

    We shall see how the school year plays out.  I am relieved beyond belief that I’m not teaching in Texas anymore.

  58. 58.

    Cacti

    August 31, 2021 at 12:00 pm

    The appropriate way to remove a fascist from an assembly is to throw them out the door head first.

  59. 59.

    Tony Jay

    August 31, 2021 at 12:01 pm

    @cain:

    But I also think that it will feed right wing anger even further.

    Good. Wouldn’t everyone much rather see these rage-monkeys sent into a froth by a genuine, systematic attack on their pampered, peach-fuzzed privilege than whatever button-punching delusion the Wingnutosphere dials up on the Wheel of Delusion?

    Salt a little discomfort into their anger comfort-blankie. They wanted a ‘culture war’ to seize the heights of society, make them pay the price for being so shit at it.

    They’re terrible people. They deserve it.

  60. 60.

    FelonyGovt

    August 31, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    One positive- many otherwise apathetic California Democrats are incandescently angry at all the vaccine and mask protest bullshit, and I’m hopeful that will get them to vote against this idiot recall.

  61. 61.

    Kent

    August 31, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    @NotMax: My school district doesn’t have an approved religious exemption form.  At least not yet.  So if you want an exemption right now you go to HR and they give you a blank piece of paper in which you have to explain  your religious exemptions in your own words.  No bullshit photocopied “exemption ticket” from some bullshit church you don’t attend is accepted.  And the head of HR is no bullshit.  She is liable to grill you about your statements before deciding whether or not to approve it.

    Also if you are unvaccinated you have rigorous testing requirements and if you are exposed due to close contact to a student who tests positive you have mandatory quarantine for 5-days which you have to use up your sick leave for.  Vaccinated teachers don’t have the quarantine requirement unless they actually test positive.

  62. 62.

    Cacti

    August 31, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    When the US and UK had nascent fascist movements in the 1930s, take a look at how they were dealt with by concerned citizens at the time.

    It wasn’t by gentle appeals to their reason and humanity.

  63. 63.

    wenchacha

    August 31, 2021 at 12:08 pm

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix:

     

    @germy: I think here in WNY, there has been research into mix-and-match vaxxing. I’m on a local FB group, and one or two mentioned they were in studies.

  64. 64.

    Redshift

    August 31, 2021 at 12:10 pm

    @Shakti:

    We collectively decided to normalize harassment when it’s right wing protest. We let people “protest” outside of abortion clinics and funerals (Westboro Church).

    No, we didn’t. There has been plenty of litigation over these through the years, and a lot of where we are now is because the right got judges appointed who decided that screaming in your face is protected free speech and not harassment. It sucks, but it definitely didn’t happen because the wingnuts on the ground kept pushing and everyone else just let it go.

  65. 65.

    Ken

    August 31, 2021 at 12:13 pm

    @Kent: “Write a 5000-word essay explaining your religious objections to vaccination, with references to the sources of your doctrine.”  I like it, very much in the educational mode.

  66. 66.

    Ian R

    August 31, 2021 at 12:15 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: It’s like he somehow doesn’t realize that it is a choice. He can choose to be either a plague rat or employed. He simply can’t choose to be both.

  67. 67.

    Another Scott

    August 31, 2021 at 12:16 pm

    [old man yells at clouds] Is there some reason why it is seemingly impossible for these Tweets to include location and/or time and date information about the BREAKING NEWS that we’re supposed to drop everything to click on?? [old man yells at clouds]

    We’re a big country.  Giant distributions have very long tails.

    I’m sorry they are going through this.  Yes, it is unacceptable.  But Florida Man Bites Dog stories should not dominate our discourse.  There are always kooks out there and I don’t have the mental space for them right now, so no click from me.

    My $0.02.  YMMV.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  68. 68.

    Citizen Alan

    August 31, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Why the hell does a hospital need a dedicated locksmith?

  69. 69.

    Jeffro

    August 31, 2021 at 12:19 pm

    @Redshift: I guarantee you that’s why they knocked off the public anti-CRT stuff (at least here in VA)…it was starting to get our side mobilized.  They’ve gone ‘stealth’, messaging only to their base about it.

  70. 70.

    Jeffro

    August 31, 2021 at 12:20 pm

    @Kent:

    When a student tests positive, all the neighboring students in each class are contacted but ONLY those who are un-vaxed are sent home for quarantine.  Vaccinated students get to stay in school during the quarantine period.  This is very smart.

    LOVE this

  71. 71.

    Just Chuck

    August 31, 2021 at 12:20 pm

    They’ve gone ‘stealth’, messaging only to their base about it

    IOW, grifting their base over it.

  72. 72.

    cain

    August 31, 2021 at 12:23 pm

    @rikyrah: ???

  73. 73.

    rikyrah

    August 31, 2021 at 12:25 pm

    @Kent:

     There is discussion of mandatory vaccines for kids 12 and up and the union is pressing for that, but they aren’t there yet.

     

    They should.

    There is no reason why every High School in America shouldn’t be up and running. Both staff and students should have been mandatory vaccination.

     

    And, I also believe 12,13 (7th and 8th graders) – mandatory vaxx  too.

  74. 74.

    bluefoot

    August 31, 2021 at 12:25 pm

    @rikyrah: The label will be to get a booster of the same brand that you got before.  However, some real world data suggests you may get better protection by getting a different booster. Clinical trials with mixed vaccination would have to be run for it to be on the label for the vaccines.  Or perhaps a lot of retrospective data submitted.

  75. 75.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    O/T: Does anyone know what time President Biden is scheduled to address the nation on Afghanistan? I have a terrible idea it’s going to happen at the same time as my Zoom class on “The Origins of Rock ‘n’ Roll.” Maybe I’m not very good at navigating the whitehouse.gov site, but I’m not finding anything about it.

  76. 76.

    kindness

    August 31, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    I work at a Kaiser hospital here in California.  About once a week these nuts line the sidewalk in front of the facility and put on their passion play.  They don’t physically interact thankfully.  No throwing things.  No kicking.  Just bullhorns and yelling and really stupid protest signs.  You’d think this would be mostly the anti-vax crowd doing this protesting but they aren’t them.  The people that do it out here (and they do every single hospital in the area) are right wing nut jobs.  They also have the stolen election yahoos and really sadly far too many police cars pass them and honk in support of these nuts.  The cops…..they aren’t always my friends.

  77. 77.

    cain

    August 31, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    @Tony Jay: I think we should accelerate and bring as many issues for them to be scared as much as possible – overwhelm the right wing noise machine. That’s what they’ve been doing to us for the past 4 years.

    Make these assholes spend as much money on organizing as possible – eventually they’ll all lose it and their leash carriers will lose control of them and hopefully bite them.

  78. 78.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I love you so much.

  79. 79.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The origins of Rock ‘n Roll?

    Fats Domino told an interviewer in the mid-1950s that he’d been playing it for twenty years.

  80. 80.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 12:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    One of my favorite commenters.

  81. 81.

    Tony Jay

    August 31, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    @cain:

    Big tick for all of that.

  82. 82.

    Yarrow

    August 31, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:  PBS website says 1:30 p.m. eastern.

  83. 83.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 12:31 pm

    @Yarrow:

    So 2:15 then.

  84. 84.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    @Yarrow:
    Thanks!

  85. 85.

    Yarrow

    August 31, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    @germy:  4:20.

    @SiubhanDuinne:  Yw

  86. 86.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    @germy:

    ROFL!!

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:34 pm

    @Yarrow:

    ROFLMAO!!

  88. 88.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:36 pm

    @germy:

    For a pre-Boomer, I am appallingly ignorant of the music that shaped my cohort. Trying to remedy that.

  89. 89.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 12:38 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It should be an interesting class

    Lots of different music forms contributed to the origins of R&R.

    Which is why I’m always amazed when I encounter R&E purists.

  90. 90.

    Shakti

    August 31, 2021 at 12:38 pm

    @Redshift: And I’m bad at writing because I switched between two different wes without specifying.

     

    We, “collectively we” is America, inclusive of everyone from RWNJ to mushy moderate/centrists (for varying values of centrism) to left wingers. Includes low-info, and the apolitical who don’t vote and/or organize for reasons of apathy.

     

    We, “coalition we”, is Democrats and the independents who vote for Democrats the majority of the time.

     

    “Coalition we” didn’t push back hard enough.  “Collective we” is the audience for “how to have Thanksgiving dinner without politics! Politics shouldn’t divide us.” — if that makes sense.

     

    Y’know, “coalition we” trying to maintain “collective we” when a whole sector of “collective we” doesn’t see us as part of America and never did feels like long term emotional abuse.

  91. 91.

    debbie

    August 31, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Just heard it was now scheduled for 2:45 pm.

  92. 92.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 12:40 pm

    @debbie:

    He likes being prepared before he speaks.  I admire that.

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 31, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    @germy:

    Alas, it hasn’t been as interesting or insightful as I had hoped. But today’s the final class in this course, and I feel obliged to see it through.

  94. 94.

    Fair Economist

    August 31, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I recall a lot of discussion of whether this meant some specific agent was hiring all these actors to be astroturf protesters, or whether it’s just an indication that it’s common for a particular type of histrionic borderline personality to present as an unemployed actor. People who lived in Southern California seemed prone to think it was #2.

    It’s not #2, because an astonishing number of RW nutjobs come from *one particular* talent agency, Explore Talent, as documented by Nicole Elan.

    Including:
    Lauren Boebert
    Melissa Carone
    Candace Owen
    Scott Presler
    Tomi Lahren

  95. 95.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    August 31, 2021 at 12:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I believe it’s at 1:30.

  96. 96.

    Jackie

    August 31, 2021 at 12:55 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: 2:45 ET.

  97. 97.

    frosty

    August 31, 2021 at 12:55 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: ​ Sounds like a great class. Please report back. I’ve always figured it was when country intersected with R&B and for me the two who incorporated it in their own music were Elvis Presley and Chuck Berry.I hadn’t heard that Fats Domino quote before. Interesting. Jump Blues and R&B were definitely close to R&R before the 50s.​
     
    ETA: I see now the class is almost over. I’d still like to hear what you learned. Maybe send something to WG for the front page on a slow news day (hah!)?

  98. 98.

    James E Powell

    August 31, 2021 at 12:56 pm

    @NotMax:

    Can we take it as a given that dusting off “compassionate conservatism” ain’t gonna fly?

    How about epidemiologically anxious?

  99. 99.

    James E Powell

    August 31, 2021 at 1:03 pm

    @frosty:

    I spent a great deal of time during the lockdown arguing with total strangers about music generally and rock & roll history specifically. It was great good fun.

    Whenever you put your finger on a particular moment in the history rock & roll and say, here is where this thing started, some one else points to an earlier song and says, this is where that one came from and you keep going until you get to the eras before recorded music, then it all becomes a blur.

  100. 100.

    germy

    August 31, 2021 at 1:04 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Pretty much.  People have always wanted to dance and groove to fast percussive music.

    The only difference are the technological advances in amplification.

  101. 101.

    Another Scott

    August 31, 2021 at 1:10 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

    lists the upcoming live events, with links, from the White House.

    HTH!

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  102. 102.

    Antonius

    August 31, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    Maybe every time this happens, the 911 call should mention the mob of young black man trying to storm the hospital. “Did I say ‘young and black’? I meant ‘old and white’.”

  103. 103.

    MattF

    August 31, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    Speaking of Twitter-immunology, here’s a thread that clarifies some things. The conclusion seems to be ‘so far, so good, but we need more data’.

  104. 104.

    WaterGirl

    August 31, 2021 at 1:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Someone else may have answered this, but just in case.

    It was originally set for 1:30 Eastern time, but the time is now set for:

    2:45 Eastern

    I have a post with the live feed set to go up at 2:30 Eastern.

  105. 105.

    Kathleen

    August 31, 2021 at 1:21 pm

    @Yarrow: I saw that thread at Christopher Meloni’s TL.

  106. 106.

    StringOnAStick

    August 31, 2021 at 1:42 pm

    I’ve read that many of the in demand medical staff who are vax refusers are quitting to go make bigger bucks at facilities that are paying the premium rates for out of state nurses and other staff. So, if you live in an area with overwhelmed hospitals thanks to the unvaccinated, you have a higher chance to bring cared for by a nurse who is an antivax nutjob that is getting paid significantly more than the local vaccinated staff. This should work out well.

    I am convinced the antivax and antimask crap is getting big money and political support by the R’s in order to kill the economy and therefore D prospects in the next elections; getting their own people killed is just so much collateral damage and really of no importance to them.

  107. 107.

    Kent

    August 31, 2021 at 2:04 pm

    @Citizen Alan:

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Why the hell does a hospital need a dedicated locksmith?

    How many doors with locks on them do you think there are in a typical large hospital?  The number would be in the thousands if you include things like storage cabinets.

  108. 108.

    gvg

    August 31, 2021 at 2:04 pm

    @Jeffro: ​
      Well they have to keep a lot of medicines and other sensitive stuff locked up. I suspect every time someone is let go, they have to change locks. It probably varies by position. There is also patients locking themselves in or out…but maybe master keys take care of it. Just guessing.
    Big apartment complexes have their own locksmiths.

  109. 109.

    Kent

    August 31, 2021 at 2:14 pm

    @gvg:@Jeffro: ​
    Well they have to keep a lot of medicines and other sensitive stuff locked up. I suspect every time someone is let go, they have to change locks. It probably varies by position. There is also patients locking themselves in or out…but maybe master keys take care of it. Just guessing.
    Big apartment complexes have their own locksmiths.

    I teach at a big public HS.   All the locks are keyed with special “do not duplicate locks” that use different blanks than ordinary residential locks.  The keys all have serial numbers and when you leave or get fired you have to turn in all your keys and they check them off.  If you don’t do that they may charge you to re-core the locks for which you had keys.

    Also every single science lab had dozens of cabinets with locks on them not to mention all the teacher desks and filing cabinets where confidential student records are maintained locked up.

    Then there are dozens of electronically locking doors that are on various timers, some exterior, some that auto-close during fire alarms and such.

    So yes, we have our own locksmiths too.  And they stay busy.

    Hospitals do a lot more with ID card swipe pads and such as I don’t think nurses and doctors generally carry keys.  They have an ID card that allows access to certain areas.

  110. 110.

    Another Scott

    August 31, 2021 at 2:21 pm

    @StringOnAStick: The antivax / antimask stuff is part of the continuing battle by the RWNJs against any government action that prevents the MotUs from doing whatever they want.

    AllianceForScience from April 2020:

    A deep dive into the American protests demanding an end to COVID-19 lockdowns exposes the influence of anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers and conservative religious and political groups.

    Though the protests do reflect the festering frustrations and Constitutional concerns of some Americans in response to restrictions aimed to slow the spread of COVID-19, investigations reveal they have been funded and fomented by powerful interests seeking to advance political agendas.

    With a new poll affirming that 72 percent of Americans still strongly support stay-at-home measures, the “open it up” rallies and traffic gridlock actions represent a distinct minority view. But they’ve gained outsized influence due to funding, legal assistance and organizational efforts provided by conservative interests, including gun advocates, and more are planned for the coming week.

    The protestors have typically demanded that states reopen businesses and lift their restrictions on social distancing, though experts warn that rapid re-openings could have fatal consequences.“The math is unfortunately pretty simple. It’s not a matter of whether infections will increase but by how much,” Jeffrey Shaman, a leading epidemiologist at Columbia University, told The Washington Post.

    […]

    The press and the public should have learned from the Tea Party fakes in 2009. None of this stuff that we hear about for months on end is spontaneous – someone/some groups are pushing it.

    Cui bono?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  111. 111.

    Ken

    August 31, 2021 at 2:44 pm

    @gvg: @Kent: Though it’s an interesting security issue, to have all those controlled medications locked up, and have one guy in the building who can open any of those locks.  I assume they keep a close eye on him.

  112. 112.

    Ksmiami

    August 31, 2021 at 4:34 pm

    @rikyrah: I believe so. I got my third Moderna so far no side effects

  113. 113.

    Barr

    August 31, 2021 at 4:45 pm

    @Citizen Alan: “Why the hell does a hospital need a dedicated locksmith?”

     

    I was a university security guard once a upon a time.  We had a consolidated keybag which 250 keys in it.

    And that did *not* include the hospital complex or housing( (dorms, married student housing).   On top of that, there were a zillion alarm systems.

  114. 114.

    Barry

    August 31, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    @Kent: “How many doors with locks on them do you think there are in a typical large hospital?  The number would be in the thousands if you include things like storage cabinets.”

     

    Or if you just counted room doors.   And a vast number of people need keys.

  115. 115.

    Barry

    August 31, 2021 at 4:53 pm

    @Ken: “Though it’s an interesting security issue, to have all those controlled medications locked up, and have one guy in the building who can open any of those locks.  I assume they keep a close eye on him.”

     

    That’s got to be an extremely sensitive job.

  116. 116.

    sab

    August 31, 2021 at 5:08 pm

    Ponyo the Pitbull is best girl ever. She likes wrestling, her jaw my arm. She never gets too rough. She hates when I say stop, I am on line or texting.  She resents the madcat demon kitten, bur she thinks he is her little brother so she is protective even when he slashes at her. He only weighs six pounds and he is scared.All the other cats are big. My favorite laid back guy is 17 pounds. Laid back but weary of the six pound twerp. They are working it out.

  117. 117.

    J R in WV

    August 31, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    @rikyrah: ​
     

    Can we get the booster with Moderna, if we were originally vaccinated with Pfizer?

    When we got our #3 shot last Friday, we were in the chair for our shots and the EMT asked me “Moderna or Pfizer?” and I said Moderna. I coulda said anything. Was very professional, though. Shot was completely painless! Arm is a little tender now…

  118. 118.

    J R in WV

    August 31, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    @Citizen Alan:

    Why the hell does a hospital need a dedicated locksmith?

    Because every unit in the hospital has several locked medical cabinets, including for meds, another for narcotics, so a big teaching hospital might have tens of thousands of locks and keys. If the lock breaks, if the nurses lose a key, or break a key, patient care is hindered until that issue is fixed.

    Hospitals have to have huge and comprehensive maintenance shops!!

  119. 119.

    Richard

    August 31, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    Her husband should lose his job. They should not leave the state because we don’t want them here, or as dr. bloor says they can try their chances in Mississippi. I doubt they will do that because there’s a lot of poor black folk living there. Also the summers are brutal, there are mosquitos, and they wouldn’t fit in very well. So dream on.

  120. 120.

    Chbnna

    August 31, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    The Archdiocese of Chicago is requiring the vaccine for all clergy and staff, no religious exemption, the catholic church is not allowing religious exemption! https://www.chicagobusiness.com/health-care/archdiocese-chicago-requires-vaccines-denies-religious-exemptions @NotMax:

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