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You are here: Home / Books / Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Blat from the Past

Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Blat from the Past

by Anne Laurie|  September 29, 20216:15 pm| 41 Comments

This post is in: Books, Information Warfare, Open Threads, Racial Justice

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The sound I just made https://t.co/V64v5okL54

— Jane Coaston (@janecoaston) September 29, 2021

Or maybe that should be ‘shart from the past’…

Can you sigh so hard you break something pic.twitter.com/xtea6r43Yd

— Jane Coaston (@janecoaston) September 29, 2021

Hey, Norman Rockwell’s painting was ‘controversial’ with a certain percentage of magazine readers — more than fifty years ago. I’m not sure this lady had even been born yet.

Every year I like to revisit this Vonnegut letter during #BannedBooksWeek. It’s about a North Dakota school burning 32 copies of Slaughterhouse-Five in 1973, but it’s unfortunately still very relevant today. https://t.co/fCwuZhYY9V pic.twitter.com/FsmR4znDcS

— Sarah McLaughlin (@sarahemclaugh) September 29, 2021

“Section 51, part 6 of the Tennessee law makes lesson plans illegal if students "feel discomfort, guilt, or anguish."

If only this was the law when I was in high school, I could’ve had the whole math department shut down.

— The Die Is Cast (@bombcola909) September 29, 2021

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41Comments

  1. 1.

    burnspbesq

    September 29, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    Suck it up, Karen. The world is changing, and you’re on the wrong side.

  2. 2.

    Tony Gerace

    September 29, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    Apparently there’s an urgent need for people in Tennessee to become even more ignorant

  3. 3.

    Raven

    September 29, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    In Travels with Charley, Steinbeck described the travails of a six-year-old black girl chosen to integrate an all-white elementary school in the Deep South of 1960. At the time, he did not know her name. But thanks to the presentation of the Steinbeck Award to this civil rights icon on February 24, 2016, before a capacity crowd in the Student Union Ballroom, the names John Steinbeck and Ruby Bridges are now linked forever

  4. 4.

    trollhattan

    September 29, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    Brilliant letter. Loved this.

    But it is also true that if you exercise that right and fulfill that responsibility in an ignorant, harsh, un-American manner, then people are entitled to call you bad citizens and fools. Even your own children are entitled to call you that.

  5. 5.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 29, 2021 at 6:25 pm

    Was the typo in the title intentional? (“Blast” ?)

  6. 6.

    burnspbesq

    September 29, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    @Raven:

    I imagine The Grapes of Wrath would reallllly freak this poor snowflake out.

  7. 7.

    Raven

    September 29, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    I re-read “Travels” and the last chapter is stunning. The white people opposing Ruby were exactly like these MAGA motherfuckers.

  8. 8.

    Math Guy

    September 29, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    I was in high school when I read about Vonnegut’s novel “Slaughterhouse Five” being burned in North Dakota. I promptly went out and bought the book and read it and from there went on to read nearly everything he published.

    Education often makes you uncomfortable: I should know, I teach mathematics at a university.

  9. 9.

    Raven

    September 29, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    @burnspbesq: “In Dubious Battle “ would really rock em!

  10. 10.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 29, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @Raven: It’s been decades since I read Steinbeck and, yeah, both those books are pretty “communist”, ain’t they?  But then, some of his other books (East of Eden ?) are pretty capitalist, from what I remember.  At the time, I was surprised that he turned so fiercely away from his early beliefs.  Ah, well.

  11. 11.

    WereBear

    September 29, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    They don’t learn and they don’t want to.

  12. 12.

    Anne Laurie

    September 29, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Was the typo in the title intentional?

    That was not a typo.  Perhaps I should’ve used ‘bleat’ instead, because ‘a bleating sound‘ is exactly what I meant!

  13. 13.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 29, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Ah, I read “blat” and saw a big of clay dropped from a great height onto the pavement.  But no particular sound.  Now I hear the sound!

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    September 29, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @Anne Laurie: 

    Change it to bleat then? It makes no sense as written.

  15. 15.

    Anne Laurie

    September 29, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    @Elizabelle: It makes no sense as written.

    Did you read the dictionary definition of blat?

  16. 16.

    evodevo

    September 29, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: from my misspent youth reading comic books,  I seem to remember “Blat” was used to convey  a raucous horn blowing sound….

  17. 17.

    Elizabelle

    September 29, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    @Anne Laurie:   I just did.  It is to make a bleating sound.  Enough.

    There is so many internet slang. Figured this was just some word that would make sense in context.  What is wrong with using a word that instantly gets the point across?

  18. 18.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 29, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    What is wrong with using a word that instantly gets the point across?

    To be fair to AL, once one is …. (uh) adequately well-read, it makes perfect sense.  Also, TIL the meaning of blat!

  19. 19.

    Redshift

    September 29, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    “Section 51, part 6 of the Tennessee law makes lesson plans illegal if students “feel discomfort, guilt, or anguish.”

    The law doesn’t say anything about it making parents feel that way, so it almost certainly doesn’t apply in this case. (I suppose I shouldn’t give them ideas; I’m sure the TN legislature would be more than happy to make it illegal to teach students anything that makes their parents uncomfortable.)

  20. 20.

    billcinsd

    September 29, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    What would happen if a young student of color used 51-6 in Tennessee to come down on white history

  21. 21.

    Scout211

    September 29, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    Open thread-ish? For those of us from the House of Moderna:  The FDA is “leaning” toward approving a booster of the Moderna vaccine at half dose. Source

    Sept 28 (Reuters) – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is leaning toward authorizing half-dose booster shots of the Moderna Inc (MRNA.O)COVID-19 vaccine, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter.
    The FDA had been seeking information about the effectiveness of a full third dose of the Moderna vaccine, but is now ready to move forward and consider the half-dose booster Moderna has proposed, the report said.

  22. 22.

    CarolPW

    September 29, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: It must be an age thing – I’m a bit older than Anne and blat is a very familiar word, but I have not seen it used in a long time. A complaint about it is a bit like like complaining about someone using furbelow.

  23. 23.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 29, 2021 at 7:17 pm

    @CarolPW:

    ​furbelow

    Ooh, another word!  Thank you!

  24. 24.

    burnspbesq

    September 29, 2021 at 7:19 pm

    Given the history of White people in America (and not just the former Confederacy), I would respectfully submit that any school system that doesn’t make White children “feel discomfort, guilt, or anguish” isn’t doing its job.

  25. 25.

    justawriter

    September 29, 2021 at 7:20 pm

    My poor home state. It did used to have some civilized sections. But most of the civilized folks left for warmer weather, better food, higher pay, or to get away from their increasingly redneck neighbors. After Republican Al Olson and his successor, Democrat George “Bud” Sinner took board of directors positions with Minneapolis based companies, the joke was “Even North Dakota Governors have to go to Minnesota to find a decent job.”

  26. 26.

    Spanky

    September 29, 2021 at 7:26 pm

    Not to be confused with Blatz, although there may be more similarities than one might first think.

  27. 27.

    Roger Moore

    September 29, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    @billcinsd: 

    What would happen if a young student of color used 51-6 in Tennessee to come down on white history

    Whoever it is who decides this stuff would rule they were just faking it to cause trouble. Everyone knows the whole point of the legislation is to let white people shut down history that talks about non-whites.

  28. 28.

    sab

    September 29, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    @CarolPW: It’s a Scrabble word, so in my book it is a word.

  29. 29.

    Spanky

    September 29, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    Perhaps Tennessee will tackle math next, and round that pesky pi down to 3.0.

  30. 30.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 29, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    When I first encountered this sort of information ( in college because it certainly wasn’t taught in my HS) I did feel pretty uncomfortable and yes, guilty. But I’ve come around to realize I am not responsible for what was done in the past. My responsibility is to educate myself so I can do my part to make sure it does not continue.
    How can we fix something if we don’t understand what happened to get us here?
    ( I do realize that these folks who are throwing childish fits over this don’t think there’s anything that needs to be fixed)

    Eta: I knew exactly what you meant by  “Blat.”

  31. 31.

    HinTN

    September 29, 2021 at 8:03 pm

    @Redshift: Coming next year.

  32. 32.

    CarolPW

    September 29, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: I watched that stuff on TV in real time: police dogs, fire hoses, lunch counter condiments poured over people. I will never forget it. And reading about bombed dead little girls my age. I think because so many people alive now have not seen that stuff it’s like something mythical or exaggerated. Like it is harder for those who did not live in that time to believe, in a very visceral way, in the holocaust.

    Any time this racist shit shows up, a media defending diversity and democracy would re-air all Jim Crow and holocaust footage, over and over again.

  33. 33.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 29, 2021 at 8:25 pm

    @CarolPW: I was born in 1958, so I saw it too, and my parents explained what was going on and why. But it wasn’t until college that I took the history and sociology classes that laid out just how ugly some of our history is.

    I was a “non-traditional” student, meaning I was taking these classes at the age of 36.  Having lived through the Civil Rights era, it meant a whole lot more to me than it did to the more traditional students.

  34. 34.

    Starboard Tack

    September 29, 2021 at 8:34 pm

    @Spanky: “When you’ve got Blatz, you’ve got beer.”

  35. 35.

    JaneE

    September 29, 2021 at 8:42 pm

    “Section 51, part 6 of the Tennessee law makes lesson plans illegal if students “feel discomfort, guilt, or anguish.”

    Are there any Black or other minority children in Tennessee schools?  I suggest that they could find more than a few things in their textbooks to cause them discomfort.  I find it despicable that so many traditional American feel-good falsehoods are still taught without disclaimers.

    There are lots of problems with teaching history.  You have to pick and choose what you consider important, and after just a couple of hundred years a good many important things are skimmed over or skipped entirely, because.  We don’t depict the Europeans who colonized this country as invading hordes of immigrants, but they were not really all that different to the refugees and immigrants coming to our borders today.  Bias counts.

  36. 36.

    Kent

    September 29, 2021 at 9:09 pm

    @billcinsd:What would happen if a young student of color used 51-6 in Tennessee to come down on white history

    Hell, Calculus made my daughter feel discomfort and anguish.  Can she get the AP Calculus text banned?

  37. 37.

    Kent

    September 29, 2021 at 9:12 pm

    @burnspbesq:Given the history of White people in America (and not just the former Confederacy), I would respectfully submit that any school system that doesn’t make White children “feel discomfort, guilt, or anguish” isn’t doing its job.

    Teacher here.  What the smart ones feel generally isn’t discomfort.  It is rage and disappointment about their elders.   There is a difference.

  38. 38.

    Starboard Tack

    September 29, 2021 at 9:21 pm

    Real education requires discomfort, self-doubt and sense of unease. Otherwise, it’s just training.

  39. 39.

    MoCaAce

    September 29, 2021 at 10:50 pm

    @Starboard Tack:

    As they say, it’s a feature, not a bug.

  40. 40.

    fancycwabs

    September 30, 2021 at 9:04 am

    Wait until they read my new children’s book, Moms For Liberty Have to Wash Their Robes and Hoods.

  41. 41.

    TheTruffle

    September 30, 2021 at 11:28 am

    @Starboard Tack: Maybe this is why the righties are talking about people learning trades instead that librul arts edumacayshun.

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