Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

“Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on.”

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

Come on, man.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

Democracy cannot function without a free press.

How stupid are these people?

To the privileged, equality seems like oppression.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Stand up, dammit!

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

The way to stop violence is to stop manufacturing the hatred that fuels it.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

Trump should be leading, not lying.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

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I keep setting posts about the 1/6 Investigation aside, because there are so many moving parts involved. And we’re handicapped, because Democrats by definition are not the ‘Punishment First, Verdict Afterwards’ party. But I continue to hope for retribution…


From the Moscow Times:

… The Russian billionaire also reportedly had close ties to Paul Manafort, the former campaign chairman for Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential bid, and his name surfaced during the probe by special counsel Robert Mueller into Russian election meddling.

During the 2016 campaign, according to court filings, Manafort offered Deripaska briefings and polling data on the presidential race, making the offer through Manafort’s former business partner and suspected Russian intelligence operative Konstantin Kilimnik.

Manafort was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison for financial and other crimes but was pardoned by Trump before he left the White House.

As always, Ryan J. Reilly’s twitter feed is an excellent source for the latest updates on the Insurrection prosecutions:

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  2. 2.

    H.E.Wolf

    In honour of Amir Khalid, who often posts this:  “Die Mühlen Gottes mahlen langsam, aber sie mahlen überaus fein.“

  3. 3.

    Jeffro

    SOOOO many opportunities to rally the country (oh, 73% or so, anyway) around anti-corruption measures big and small.

  4. 4.

    Jeffro

    Also, huge that SCOTUS has declined to block the Maine healthcare worker vaccine mandate.  Huge.  What say you, tucker and laura?  Let us know how you feel about Roberts & Co.   =)

  5. 5.

    Chris Johnson

    FBI raiding home of Oleg Deripaska as per law enforcement.

    Can I get a HELL YEAH :D

    That wouldn’t be happening unless they were ready to follow through. Good good sign.

  7. 7.

    Mike in NC

    Build Back Better needs to include building a new SuperMax prison just to hold the neo-Nazi Capitol rioters, the entire Trump family, his inner circle of criminals, and any Republicans that assisted on January 6th.

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Nine months and countless viewings later, and I’m still shocked and horrified every time I see a video clip of that day.

  11. 11.

    senyordave

    Until TFG is either in an orange jumpsuit (preferable) or pushing up daisies (acceptable) I won’t rest easy.

  12. 12.

    Benw

    If it looks like treason, smells like treason, and you kill a cop while hunting congresspeople down to overthrow a fair and free election, it’s probably treason.

  13. 13.

    Ladyracterinok

    OT——–Is this happening anywhere else?

    In Tulsa now it is very difficult to find an apartment a duplex or a house to rent. It is claimed that the reason for this is that approximately 80 Afghan families will be moved soon to Tulsa.

    This claim implies that the landlords are just waiting for the families and——maybe hoping to get a higher than normal rental amount. Or  this seems to be the implication!

    Is this happening any place else——–or or being claimed to be happening????

  14. 14.

    RSA

    @SiubhanDuinne: That is a scary video. I’ve seen the still photographs, but they don’t convey the tension and aggression of the insurrectionists [ETA: nearly as much].

  15. 15.

    gratuitous

    Rookie mistake by Trump’s lawyers. Need to find a venue to file in where the judges are a lot more amenable to your crazy. That judge in Texas comes to mind, the one who ruled the entire Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. Or file a sufficient number of complaints in the New York District to be sure you’ll get a judge you like, then voluntarily dismiss the rest of the actions.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    @Ladyracterinok

    Twelve hundred smackeroos don’t stretch far. (I don’t rightly know if what is below, from an article a month ago, has yet been addressed and adjusted.)

    Some of the recent Afghan arrivals could also face a tough road ahead if Congress doesn’t take action to treat them as refugees arriving in the U.S.

    The Afghan evacuees are not currently eligible for food stamps, cash assistance through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program for low income families, Medicaid or other traditional refugee services that are funded through the Department of Health and Human Services.

    Currently, each Afghan evacuee is slated to receive $1,225 to help with rent, furniture and food and provide a small amount of pocket money. Biden has called on Congress to take action to ensure that the recent arrivals have access to the same benefits as refugees. Source

  17. 17.

    Gin & Tonic

    In the San Diego area for a bit. Thinking of going for a drive to the Anza-Borrego desert, and maybe the Salton Sea. Yes, I know the latter is, um, weird

  19. 19.

    Alison Rose

    @Ladyracterinok: I haven’t heard of any such thing, and it kind of beggars belief, to me. Tulsa has over 400,000 people, yet 80 families needing homes are going to wipe out all the empty apartments and houses? I mean, a quick peek at Zillow shows 136 houses for rent currently, and that’s probably just the city proper, and doesn’t include apartments.

  22. 22.

    cain

    @Ladyracterinok:

    I understand that the heart of rock in roll is in Tulsa as well as Austin, and Oklahoma City – and from what I seen I believe them.

    Also – today is my grandmother’s birthday – she turned 100!!! ????

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    @Alison Rose

    Last time I was there the commercial area abutting the waterfront was still an exemplar of seedy.

    A taco truck smeary-windowed tattoo parlor on every corner.

    ;)

  27. 27.

    Gvg

    @Mike in NC: it would be amusing if Trump and his millionaire supporters were jailed in the same facility as those violent thugs who broke into the capital. Make them associate with those people they led on. I bet he would be horrified.

  28. 28.

    NorthLeft12

    Check out the FBI interview of Jan. 6 rioter DJ Rodriguiez on Digby’s Hullabaloo.

    The 195 pages are well worth the time. Enraging, mesmerizing, hilarious, and most of all sad.

  29. 29.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    OT: So, any of you seen the trainwreck Dave Chappelle Netflix special?

    “I’m team TERF!”

    “Gender is a fact,” he reasons. “Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. That is a fact. Now, I am not saying that to say trans women aren’t women, I am just saying that those pussies that they got… you know what I mean? I’m not saying it’s not pussy, but it’s Beyond Pussy or Impossible Pussy. It tastes like pussy, but that’s not quite what it is, is it? That’s not blood. That’s beet juice.”

    Even better, Chappelle ignoring black trans people exist, and pretending LBTQ people are all white, who are trying to oppress black people:

    “I’m telling you, it’s done (doing LGBTQ jokes). I’m done talking about it. All I ask of your community with all humility: Will you please stop punching down on my people?”

  33. 33.

    RandomMonster

    Just happened upon live coverage of holding contemptible Steve Harkonen-Pustule Bannon in contempt. Making me happy.

  36. 36.

    FelonyGovt

    Don’t know if it’s been mentioned today, but Trump issued an absolutely disgusting comment about Colin Powell. Powell certainly had his faults but Trump does not deserve to be on the same planet as Powell.

  37. 37.

    Mike in NC

    @Gin & Tonic: Stationed in California many years ago, I never really had time to go sightseeing. Now we’re going to look into some sort of package that’ll enable us to see some National Parks west of the Mississippi.

  41. 41.

    frosty

    @Gin & Tonic: Skip the Salton Sea unless you like toxic sea breezes. Check out the Sky Sculptures scattered around Borrego Springs. Take a hike to the fan palm oasis near the campground.

    (We liked Anza Borrego)

  42. 42.

    JPL

    Liz is going after trump as a planner for the insurrection .    I do not agree with her policies, but  I do respect her love for our country. from manu raju the exact quote

    Liz Cheney at select committee meeting: “Mr. Bannon’s and Mr. Trump’s privilege arguments do appear to reveal one thing, however: they suggest that President Trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of January 6th. And we will get to the bottom of that.”

  43. 43.

    Hungry Joe

    @Gin & Tonic: Good time of year to be here (San Diego) … but then, any time of year is a good time to be here. Salton Sea is, indeed, nasty, and not worth the trip. Anza-Borrego desert, though, definitely is. But this is important: Flash flood warnings are for real. Check the weather before you start out on a hike. Everything can be blue sky in the desert while things are happening in the Lagunas (mountains) to the west.

    Take the road through Julian. Pick up some apple pie.

  47. 47.

    Kent

    @Ladyracterinok:

    OT——–Is this happening anywhere else?

    In Tulsa now it is very difficult to find an apartment a duplex or a house to rent. It is claimed that the reason for this is that approximately 80 Afghan families will be moved soon to Tulsa.

    This claim implies that the landlords are just waiting for the families and——maybe hoping to get a higher than normal rental amount. Or  this seems to be the implication!

    Is this happening any place else——–or or being claimed to be happening????

    There are Afghan refugees coming to my city of Vancouver, WA.  Which is already tight on rentals even though they are building new apartments like crazy in East Vancouver.

    But I haven’t heard the slightest hint of any such bullshit here.

  49. 49.

    cain

    @Baud: Thank you, her husband, my grandfather also hit 100 about a decade ago or so and then three months in decided to do a mic drop and ran across the rainbow bridge. :-)

  50. 50.

    Kent

    @gratuitous:Rookie mistake by Trump’s lawyers. Need to find a venue to file in where the judges are a lot more amenable to your crazy. That judge in Texas comes to mind, the one who ruled the entire Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. Or file a sufficient number of complaints in the New York District to be sure you’ll get a judge you like, then voluntarily dismiss the rest of the actions.

    I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think that is possible here.   I think all Federal cases involving Congress need to be tried  in DC.  The Texas thing was different.  That was the State of Texas filing a lawsuit relative to things happening in TX with the ACA.

  53. 53.

    Leslie

    Posting OT for reasons that will become obvious: the site reload/crash problem has just reached me. I left my tech details on one of Water Girl’s issue-specific threads, and they have not changed. Main page only so far. I was unable to scroll down through this entire post on the front page without multiple freezes/reloads/crashes.

    On topic: did any of you see the post going around on FB about pro-independence Puerto Ricans who stormed the Capitol back in the ‘50s? They (all?) received sentences of 50 to 75 years.

  54. 54.

    A Good Woman

    @Ladyracterinok:  Realtor.com certainly doesn’t support such a claim and, based on earlier responses, the claim of little or no rental inventory sounds spurious at best.  I set $1250 as the high end for rentals, and 2 BR as a minimum as filters.

  55. 55.

    Gin & Tonic

    Thanks to all for the advice. Actually a bit north of the city, so Hwy 78 east from Ramona seems like it could be interesting.

  62. 62.

    Redshift

    @Leslie:

    On topic: did any of you see the post going around on FB about pro-independence Puerto Ricans who stormed the Capitol back in the ‘50s? They (all?) received sentences of 50 to 75 years. 

    Did the post say what they were convicted of? They fired semiautomatic weapons onto the floor is the House while it was in session, wounding five people, and all but one were convicted of attempted murder.

    It’s tempting to portray it as only disparate treatment of white and non-white people attacking the Capitol (and there’s definitely some of that), but facts matter in the legal matters too.

  64. 64.

    Mike G

    @Burnspbesq:

    The California desert attracts a lot of weird characters, but Salton Sea is super-creepy even by desert standards.

    Anza-Borrego is nice.

  65. 65.

    Ruckus

    @Burnspbesq:

    I used to got to Salton Sea 3 or 4 times a year. Last time was over 50 yrs ago though so I’m pretty sure a thing or two may have changed. It wasn’t bad at the time. Nice fishing, boating, etc.

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I was ridiculously happy to read this a few minutes ago:

    The United States Mint is pleased to announce the designs for the first five coins in the American Women Quarters™ Program. The 2022 coins honor the achievements of Maya Angelou, Dr. Sally Ride, Wilma Mankiller, Nina Otero-Warren and Anna May Wong. “These inspiring coin designs tell the stories of five extraordinary women whose contributions are indelibly etched in American culture,” said United States Mint Acting Director Alison Doone. “Generations to come will look at coins bearing these designs and be reminded of what can be accomplished with vision, determination and a desire to improve opportunities for all.”

    Read more at bit.ly/3mv1JNU #HerQuarter

    Before anybody else says it: Yes, it would have been nice to show women on American currency decades ago*, and yes, the use of cash is being phased out so timing sucks a bit, and no, we still don’t have Harriet Tubman replacing Andrew Jackson on the $20 (although I believe that’s been returned to a front burner) — but I’m pleased about the American Women Quarters™ Program and plan to buy an album and collect the whole set. Symbolism is important.

    *ETA: I was momentarily forgetting the SBA and Sacajawea $1 coins. Silly of me, as I collected them for a long time. But neither went into general circulation much.

  68. 68.

    Fair Economist

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Chappelle’s ignoring African-American transgenders is particularly disgusting as they get the brunt of anti-trans violence. He’s trying to stick a “race traitor” tag on a group already subject to far too much brutality a discrimination.

  69. 69.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Also, many trans people don’t undergo gender reassignment surgery, which is to say there are many trans women who don’t have pussies, and many trans men who do.  But Chappelle apparently is oblivious to that, which makes his ‘jokes’ (which totally deserve the scare quotes) even more stupid and off-base.

  70. 70.

    Another Scott

    TheHill:

    The Cincinnati Zoo announced on Monday that 80 animals have been vaccinated against the coronavirus.

    The zoo said they have been preparing the animals for months by making them comfortable with what they would see and feel when they were given the Zoetis COVID-19 vaccine.

    “We were concerned that the fresh memory of the first injection would make animals less willing to offer a shoulder or thigh for the second round, but they did! That success is 100% due to the strong relationships these animals have with care staff and our animal health team,” Cincinnati Zoo’s director of animal health Mark Campbell said in a statement.

    The animals received both doses of the coronavirus shot within three weeks of each other. The doses were administered by three vet technicians at the zoo.

    Other animals that have been given at least one dose of the vaccine are big cats, great apes, red pandas, goats, giraffes, river otters, skunks, bearcats and domestic dogs and cats.

    […]

    They must not be Fox News viewers – fortunately!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  73. 73.

    Ruckus

    @Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]:

    Over the last 50+ yrs I could easily believe that things would not have remained the same, and given the reality of what the Salton Sea was even then, the concept that it would have improved without massive state or federal effort is laughable.

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    NWS forecast has rain on offer each of the next eight days. Should that happen, it will add to the [checks notes] 0.03 inches we’ve received at the casa since mid-March here in middleish California.

    Should this come to pass, my prediction for days elapsed before I bitch about “this goddamn rain”: four. Four days and I commence complaining full-time. In the meantime, Joe Manchin, everybody!

  76. 76.

    trollhattan

    @Ruckus:

    Here’s a cool thing: Evidently there are geothermal power generating plants in the Salton Sea area that use brine pumped from the deep from which they extract heat. Well, that brine also contains lithium, which is being developed as a source for lithium battery production.

    It was an ancient dry sink until a 1905 irrigation canal failure release Colorado River water and filled that sucker up. What one should do today WRT keeping it a viable lake is a tricky thing, given water demands elsewhere.

  78. 78.

    Dan B

    @Mike in NC: Utah!

    Glacier!

    Plus North Cascades.  We sent several friends there on their way to the Canadian Rockies.  They were much more impressed with the wild and uncrowded (one of the least visited NP’s) North Cascades than the Canadian Rockies.  Glaciers, huge lakes, steep mountains, wet in the west, dry in the east.

    John Day Fossil beds is also wonderful exotic and low key plus it’s near the Sisters and Crater Lake!

  84. 84.

    H.E.Wolf

    @SiubhanDuinne: “​I was momentarily forgetting the SBA and Sacajawea $1 coins. Silly of me, as I collected them for a long time. But neither went into general circulation much.”
    Thank you for bringing the American Women series of quarters to my attention!

    The Sacajawea $1 coins were perfect for letting kids pay their own admission fee to the Renaissance Faire. OMG, gold doubloons!! The admissions person was also delighted. :)

  87. 87.

    Bill Arnold

    @trollhattan:

    Evidently there are geothermal power generating plants in the Salton Sea area that use brine pumped from the deep from which they extract heat.

    Near one such power plant, just south of the Salton Sea, was the first and only place I’ve seen burrowing owls. They stand outside their burrows during the daytime. This was mid 1990s, when the water didn’t stink but the fish were gone; don’t know if the owls are still there.  Salton City was very weird; even then; drove in in the evening at the town was having a pot-luck on the shore (which according to google maps has moved a bit).

    Anza-Borrego (same trip) was nice. As warned above, pay attention to weather including weather radar before you enter any of the canyons.

  88. 88.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @NotMax:

    Apologies. I almost always click on your links but for some now-forgotten reason I failed to do so on your “Huzzah!” (although I actually do recall seeing it now that I see it again).

  89. 89.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @lowtechcyclist:  It’s not that Chappelle doesn’t know, it’s that he chooses to ignore it. Ain’t his first time at the anti-trans rodeo in his comedy specials, and he’s been schooled many times before.

    As one trans activist put it, it’s not just he’s engaging in punch-down “humor,” it’s that he’s still telling the same “jokes” that were tired years ago.

  91. 91.

    Leslie

    @Redshift: Thanks for that additional information. I was mostly thinking that we’re going way too easy on our own insurrectionists, but it was also in my mind that ethnicity was probably a factor. Which it might still have been, but yeah, not equivalent behaviors.

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