I honestly don’t have the first fucking clue and apparently was wrong about him, too:
Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) on Monday called on Democrats to slow down in their work to advance a $1.75 trillion plan to overhaul the country’s health care, education, climate and tax laws, raising new doubts about the party’s timeline to advance a critical piece of President Biden’s economic agenda as soon as this week.
Speaking to reporters, Manchin lamented some of the “social” spending in the still-forming package, the means by which Democrats have crafted it, and the potential that it could add to the deficit while spurring new inflation. He called for more time to evaluate its broader fiscal effects.
“I will not support a bill that is this consequential without thoroughly understanding the impact it will have on our national debt, our economy and the American people,” Manchin said. “Every elected representative needs to know what they are voting for and the impact it has, not only on their constituents, but the entire country.”
“I’m open to supporting a final bill that helps move our country forward,” the senator added. “But I’m equally open to voting against a bill that hurts our country.”
I literally do not know what he wants or why he wants it. Everything he opposes will help West Virginia the same or more than any other state, and he opposes funding it by taxing billionaires even though he counts ZERO billionaires as constituents, so he is not doing this for what he thinks is best for West Virginia.
In addition, he claims to love bipartisanship, he is creating a situation where no one is ever going to negotiate with him again because he is proving to not be an honest broker. One man has whittle this bill in half, and he is still not satisfied and will do nothing to make it happen or state what he wants- just what he doesn’t want.
At this point I am left to wonder if he is being blackmailed, he is being paid off, has a personal grudge with Biden, or is in steep mental decline. One thing is for sure, I will never vote for him again, even in the off chance he runs again. There’s no point.
Baud
It’s our fault. We told Manchin to mess with you for kicks.
Spanky
Whatever the reason, he’s now negotiating in bad faith. How Schumer gets around this is beyond me, but I wish (not optimistic enough to hope) his fellow Senate Dems started playing real hardball with him. Cut him out of everything.
And sink his fucking boat.
Ohio Mom
And just to make what he’s doing even more schmucky, he pulls this crap when Biden is out of the country.
Omnes Omnibus
He really doesn’t want the BBB, but he does want the infrastructure bill. He is trying everything he can to get one but not the other. I think that he wants infrastructure badly enough that he will eventually give in on BBB. Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and the progressives just need to keep holding firm on tying the two together.
khead
Let’s Go Manchin!
Mai Naem mobile
Joe Manchin doesn’t need to be paid off. He’s doing it for his own interests. His daughter’s big Mylan job and his financial interest in fossil fuels. He’s also running out the clock. He’s doing the job of the Republicans. Manchin can go fuck himself with several rusty implements.
Spanky
This should trash his reputation for all time, but, again, that’s too much to hope will come to pass.
John Cole
@Mai Naem mobile: His daughter doesn’t work for mylan she negotiated the sale of the company and got a 20 million + payout when she quit. The new owners quickly announced they were moving out of WV and left a thousand people in morgantown unemployed.
Mai Naem mobile
@Ohio Mom: that’s because Manchin is a big cowardly bully. A real man would have done this while Biden was in the country.
satby
@Spanky: He’s in his seventies. He doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks of him.
Chetan Murthy
What bewilders me, is that the House CPC is not negotiating in any sort of rational way. If they really want to make Manchin & Sinema come to an agreement, they need to prove to them that not doing so will be costly. So they should be revisiting the BIF and removing things that S&M want — e.g., all the money for “clean coal” and other bullshit. Turn the public-private-partnership giveaways I heard about, into straight public funding, no giveaways to developers. Make it plain that if S&M won’t negotiate in good faith, they’re going to get shafted.
SiubhanDuinne
@khead:
LOL!
SiubhanDuinne
@Ohio Mom:
Yeah, that was a cheesy move.
Major Major Major Major
I too thought Manchin was just whittling things down, but yeah sorta looks like he’s trying to kill it, eh?
@Chetan Murthy:
That would be a hilarious show of bad faith since we all know Republicans in the senate will not agree to these changes. The ink on the BIF is dry.
kindness
We’re with you John. We have no idea what Manchin/Sinema want other than to pass the infrastructure bill and to pass no BBB bill. Really that is what they both want. And both of them are pissed they have to work for the votes they want and the one’s they don’t.
What ever founding Father thought up the Senate as an institution needs to have their bones dug up and sent to Guantanamo.
TonyG
@Spanky: I think he’s just a greedy asshole who’s being bribed. People like him never have enough money
Matt McIrvin
@khead: Took me a moment.
Butter Emails
You know, the coal industry is in bad financial shape and heavily dependent on government subsidies and probably also on some government contracts. I’m at the point that if I were Biden, I’d issue an executive order cancelling all that shit because “Emergency Powers” and then do everything possible to drag out the legal battle and payments. Oh. I’d also temporarily ban coal exports because “supply chain priorities, American energy security, and other malarkey”. Could probably delay stuff enough to kill a good chunk of the industry and get nearly every West Virginia Coal miner furloughed.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: Keeping infrastructure and the BBB tied together should be enough. No need to play petty, small ball games.
Bill Arnold
@satby:
True, but there are things that he does care about.
jimmiraybob
I’m gonna go with, “he is being paid off.” He and Cinemon are doing the work of the entire Republican Party.He’s probably negotiating committee assignments for when he switches parties.
cain
The GOP must be enjoying the fuck out of this. I fucking hate these goddam slim margins.
Let’s try to get more democrats that isn’t an asshole like Machin and Sinema
eclare
@Omnes Omnibus: Ab-so-fucking-lutely. He wants that infrastructure bill, use that leverage. I trust Joe, Chuck, and Nancy will do that.
Starfish
@Baud: This is a very elaborate test to see if John Cole will stay sober? I am not sure that it is very ethical or would get past the Institutional Review Board though.
SiubhanDuinne
@Spanky:
Manchin chairs Energy & Natural Resources, and serves on Appropriations, Veterans’ Affairs, and Armed Services. I agree with you. I wish Schumer and Durbin would threaten to yank his committee assignments unless he comes to Jesus right smartish. Enough. This nonsense has been going on for months.
Omnes Omnibus
@cain: But this isn’t a post about get out the vote. /s
Wapiti
@Chetan Murthy: Until he totally renegs, they need to treat him as if he deserves respect. They can’t burn the bridge too early – that would give the two malcontents an excuse to totally reneg, and those malcontents want that excuse.
Omnes Omnibus
@Wapiti: Exactly.
Simon Taverner
@cain:
Of course, we will try to get more democrats. But I think you know what the more likely outcome will be. It’s hard not to be depressed about it.
Constance Reader
We all know what Manchin wants: he wants the cameras and microphones to continue following him wherever he goes and to continue being the pivot around which the entire government turns. If ever he approves of and votes for a bill, the cameras and microphones and power move on to someone else. He’s an attention whore. Period.
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, we’re already in a classic Mexican standoff, we don’t need hostages too.
Geminid
@SiubhanDuinne: Mitch McConnell would happily give those committee assignments back to Manchin.
grumbles
I think it is time to primary the fucker. And his little sparklepony, too.
Until there is a cost for quite literally not supporting the party line, we will get more of the likes of them.
I don’t want a top-down org, we’re not Republicans. But this habit of shitting on your team for the profit and amusement of them has to stop.
Simon Taverner
“I can’t make out what the crowd is saying … no wait, they seem to be chanting ‘Let’s go Branchin!”
Starfish
People keep saying that Sinema and Manchin are covering up for a larger group of Democrats. I want names, and I want all those other Democrats primaried.
Omnes Omnibus
Great. Let’s do it. Now, how does that help us today?
Geminid
@grumbles: You say it’s time to primary Manchin? He doesn’t run for reelection until 2024!
Ruckus
I see JM as a relatively wealthy guy, who has been a democrat for a long time so his history puts him on the left side of the aisle. However he’s looking at being unable to make the kind of money that he’s made in the coal business for a long time. He knows the show is going to go bust in the not too distant future, leaving him without that nice bonus (just a bit more than the $170K he gets as a senator) and his buddies in the Scrooge McDuck class are going to be pissed because they are very likely to have to pay a higher tax rate on their income and it doesn’t matter if they will still be wealthy as fuck, it won’t be as much, and they are used to being able to steal almost every damn dime, leaving only pennies for the riff raff.
Or
He’s just an asshole, it’s one or the other.
SpaceUnit
@Constance Reader:
I agree. This is a guy who’s at a political dead end. He probably saw himself as presidential material at some point (they all do), but realizes now that this is as important as he’s ever going to be. He just wants to drag it out as long as he can. It’s pure ego.
wvng
As Josh Marshall said a short while ago, Manchin pals around every weekend with a bunch of business people, some republican senators, probably all ALEC members. They are the community he cares about anymore. I screamed at the radio today when the news about his little stunt came on, and I’m still fuming. The problem is if the Dems lose him they lose the majority; he knows that and knows they can only go so far in punishing him or he walks. He is [proving to be a bigger asshole than I could have imagined.
And then there is Sinema, and who in the hell knows what she is up to.
bbleh
@Constance Reader: This. He fancies himself a latter-day Robert Byrd, but he’s really just a dim poseur. This is his moment to indulge his fantasy, and he’s milking it for all it’s worth.
I doubt he’d switch parties, at least in the Senate. I think he’d just retire, maybe run for Gov, or maybe play kingmaker. He may imagine a commentator slot on some network, but I can’t imagine who’d hire him: he’s boring and evasive, he mumbles, and he’s not very bright
He is, alas, way out of his depth. Which is a shame for WV: he could have done a LOT for this state …
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Starfish:
energy and resources better used to elect Val Demmings and Tim Ryan, and keeping Raphael Warnock, Catherine Cortez Masto, Maggie Hassan, Mark Kelly in their seats, I think.
scav
There’s a strong whiff of last thread’s politics is just about being a tremendous asshole in public hanging about the boy, along with the attention-hog 15-minutes of fame clinging.
Omnes Omnibus
I really think that many of you are reading too deeply into this.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
O’Bro Dan Pfeiffer called her a contrarian without a cause. The one time I’ve seen her push back against reports of her trolling was a story a couple of weeks ago that she wanted the climate package cut.
grumbles
@Omnes Omnibus:
It doesn’t, of course. I don’t know what to do, either. Do you have suggestions? Baseball bats and a Camaro
@Geminid: Yes. And?
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Taking out Ron Johnson would certainly help.
Ruckus
@Constance Reader:
I’d say he’s a whore of some sort(s).
I’m not sure that attention is the only kind.
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: What else is new.
Geminid
@Starfish: People keep saying this, but that does not make it true. The people I see saying this are lefties who want to use Manchin and Sinema to smear the entire party.
Starfish
@Omnes Omnibus: Were his shoes too tight today?
Ksmiami
@Butter Emails: id fuck Manchin up forever after this
japa21
@Omnes Omnibus: This is BJ, that’s what people do.
Omnes Omnibus
@grumbles:
Work to make him irrelevant in the future and talk to your reps about staying strong on the two bill strategy.
Bill Arnold
Bold mine.
“The only way to stop it since it can be done one party only, Larry, is Joe Manchin, Krysten Sinema, the two most important Democrats in the Senate, have the ability to kill the whole package, to dramatically reduce the size of it,” McConnell said. “I’m praying for them every night.“
Also, McConnell has been observed in a long conversation with Manchin.
Manchin, McConnell huddle on Senate floor amid Biden spending battle (NYPost (sorry), Mark Moore, October 28, 2021)
Political knives need to come out, IMO. (The wicked sharp kind, not butter knives.)
(Once watched a dangerous friend friendly-wrestling with a person from (IIRC) West Virginia. Suddenly the wrestling stopped, with my friend’s utility knife at the other guy’s throat. That was genuinely instructive. And that story is true.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Starfish:
I offered my opinion above.
japa21
@Omnes Omnibus: He still hasn’t announced if he is running, has he? Hope he does.
Quinerly
@Omnes Omnibus: ?
schrodingers_cat
Most BJ political posts off late can be divided into 2 categories
We are all doomed for all eternity
Fuck Sinema and Manchin.
We seem to be stuck in some endless loop.
Omnes Omnibus
@japa21: I think we have a good chance either way.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Are those really two different categories?
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Different sides of a coin, I would say.
Ksmiami
@schrodingers_cat: yes because that’s where we are right now
grumbles
@Omnes Omnibus:
I thought the complaint was primarying him was too slow, but now I see you just are randomly spouting whatever. Got it.
Starfish
@schrodingers_cat: We have a lot of opinions about those two topics.
Omnes Omnibus
@grumbles: Calling your reps is something you can do now. If the rest of the Dems hold to the strategy of passing both bills together but BBB first, it will help. There isn’t much else we can do at the moment.
Geminid
@grumbles: Joe Manchin does not fear a primary challenge. You’ll have to figure out another way to coerce or punish him. And you know what? I don’t think you can. No one else has.
Ruckus
@schrodingers_cat:
At this moment in the world a lot of people are only going to see those 2 possibilities. And they won’t like either of them.
wvng
You can primary Manchin in WV, but you can’t field anyone else who can win as a Democrat statewide in WV anymore. Manchin is the only one and without him we don’t have a Senate majority, at least for now. I wish this wasn’t true. I wish a Jay Rockefeller could win a Senate seat again, but WV has fallen into a deep deep red sea and I don’t see how to pull us out.
Major Major Major Major
@Starfish: Really only the two.
Ksmiami
@wvng: it’s ok we need a stronger position elsewhere…
patrick II
By holding his press conference today, how much is he motivated by helping Younkin tomorrow? He has to understand the political implications in Virginia of Democratic divisiveness.
Starfish
@Major Major Major Major: Yeah. We all agree that animals are cute, the vaccine is good, and the Republican Party is nuttier than whatever the area squirrels have stashed for winter.
These are the only two topics where we can properly be Democrats in Disarray.
I mean, someone can try to say how much they love a certain Senator from Vermont, but that gets too hostile too quickly.
Quinerly
@wvng: you and I are on the same wavelength. I have been thinking a lot about Jay Rockefeller lately….what a decent man he was and is. This thread prompted me to take a look at his Wiki page to refresh my memory on some things. Great page. Looks like he and his wife live mostly in DC but still maintain a home/residence in Charleston.
SiubhanDuinne
@Geminid:
Yeah, that’s of course the big risk with playing hardball with Manchin — piss him off and he could cross the aisle, give the Rs the majority, write his own ticket re committees, and be an even bigger horse’s ass than he is already.
schrodingers_cat
OT:To take your mind off Sinemachin shit show.
Some bhakts in Glasgow dressed in identical outfits sang Modi’s praises at a rope line in Glasgow.
And by sang I mean broke into song. I am not being metaphorical.
So much cringe.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
never-trumper Tim Miller mentioned this on the Hayes program last week and made Hayes very nervous, he came back later in the show and said, “NBC has no reporting on this matter…” I wonder who Miller’s source was
Sure Lurkalot
I’m sorry that good things are being held hostage by this disingenuous fuck. I will be sad if the infrastructure bill goes bye bye but giving in to this asshole should not be an option.
IMHO, this is all about our “betters” being unwilling to spend on thin dime on this country. Their fortunes are safe behind the tax code and the world’s unwillingness to come to grips with corruption.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SiubhanDuinne: or he could just pull up the anchor on the Almost Heaven and sail home,
Major Major Major Major
@Starfish: Oh I don’t know. I always seem to be able to get folks riled up here by being insufficiently angry at Facebook.
grumbles
@wvng:
I disagree. We need him this session to count to 50. Repudiating him now and pushing for actual Democrats is the only way to make anyone give a shit later.
Maybe he is just that embedded in WVA. In which case, fuck him anyway. I’m more than willing to consider him the demented uncle in a coalition that left him behind. But you don’t get there without giving people a reason to care. And the continuing tongue-bathing of his asshole is not giving anyone reason to care.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@grumbles:
huh?
Starfish
@Major Major Major Major: One of my coworkers recently left to go work there. I asked him if he watched the company take itself off the internet and decided “I have the type of tech skills it takes to do that.”
Ryan
Are you familiar with Joe Lieberman?
Cameron
I don’t know if he’ll outright vote against the current iteration of BBB, but I can see him trying to drag things out until December, which would make everything harder.
Is it time we ask WWRD (What Would Republicans Do)? Having seen R congresscreatures making bland remarks to credulous media morons about ‘White House tourists’ while a screen in the background shows something like a battle scene from a 1950’s Viking movie, I suggest we at least consider taking a tip from their playbook. Pass the infrastructure bill with great fanfare (which it does deserve) and just disappear BBB – it never existed. Oh, sure, there’s been some talk about maybe looking at social programs one of these days and the environment…..well, maybe some more study is needed. But propose a giant spending bill? Naw, never happened. Let’s face it: all these bozos, not just Trump, blatantly reverse themselves in public. Why should Republicans be the only ones to get away with it?
Starfish
@Cameron: That would piss off every one under 40 who sees climate change as a big deal issue that we should be addressing right now.
prostratedragon
@schrodingers_cat:
And by sang I mean broke into song.
Oh dear! My condolences.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He sounds nice.
Leto
@Starfish: “Nothing I do can be as bad as that. I’m golden!” – old co-worker
Leto
@SiubhanDuinne: he’s a never-Trumper, but he’s still a shitstain Republican. Ofc he has the ratfucking info.
schrodingers_cat
@prostratedragon: Thanks, I guess.
Here it is.
When he was in DC his handlers had some women dressed in full Bharatanatyam getup outside the WH.
Cameron
@Starfish: They’re not wrong, but it’s looking like it will be more of a slog than most of us would like.
Starfish
@Cameron: It is a much more serious issue to people who are not the octogenarians in the Senate in charge of decision-making.
Fundamentally, that is part of the problem.
rekoob
@Quinerly: @wvng: Back in the day, I was working for the Democratic Party of Virginia as a summer intern (Chuck Robb was Governor), and one of the staffers was over the moon about Jay Rockefeller. I quickly realized that he had strong crossover appeal and followed Jay’s campaigns with great interest (bumper sticker — Jay!). It’s a missed opportunity that we didn’t make more of it in those times.
Quinerly, on a separate matter, consider areas around Mora and Las Vegas, New Mexico. I lived in Santa Fe for 11 years and have thought long and hard about that neck of the woods. I know you have plenty of good options. In an era of passenger drones, Las Vegas could be a pretty nice place to be — short hop to Santa Fe/Albuquerque, a couple of hops to Denver.
Ella in New Mexico
He is clearly making way tooo much money from the Republican and/family “donors” out there. He doesn’t answer to the real people of his state, just his two kids, his friends and all the dirty energy, Pharma and various R interests who keep his cute little boat afloat in DC.
Call him, John and literally scream, rant and froth to whatever pitiful intern answers the phone. Then do it again and again. And encourage your friends and neighbors to do the same. He needs to feel the wrath of the normal humans who kept him in office to do the opposite of what he’s doing.
And short of that, it’s time to find someone to primary the arrogant SOB of a fucker, although I’m betting by the end of his term he switches to the Republican party so maybe just find a really charismatic public servant to run against his crusty old ass.
SiubhanDuinne
@Leto:
This has been a confusing story, because I wasn’t familiar with the name Sean Parnell so I googled and it said he was Sarah Palin’s successor as Governor of Alaska, which made no sense for a Senate candidate in PA. And then I dug deeper and discovered that there are apparently two American politicians, both Republicans, named Sean Parnell. So I read about the PA Parnell, and if what his wife claims is even a fraction true, he is a horror. Hence my “He seems nice” comment. And then I saw your reply saying that he was a never-Trumper, and that made no sense at all because every article I had seen about him led with the fact that TFG endorsed him. And then finally I realised you were talking about the guy who told Chris Hayes, not about Sean Parnell, so it finally makes sense and now I am going to have my supper.
Quinerly
@rekoob: I like Little Vegas a lot but really have no desire to live there for several reasons. I am looking on that side of SF, though. That 285 corridor. Eldorado/Lamy area. Thanks for piping up. ?
jnfr
@John Cole:
JFC. That is really classic.
bcw
The deal was that the progressives got this bill in return for voting for Manchin’s smaller infrastructure bill that is mostly roads. Manchin may still be hoping that he can get the rest of the Democrats to cave and vote for his bill while this bill fails. Oddly, it is the blue-dog-ish Democrats most at risk if Manchin blows up the Biden infrastructure bill and the progressives kill Manchins bill.
James E Powell
@Omnes Omnibus:
We’re all counting on you, Omnes.
Ksmiami
@bcw: blow them both up. I don’t think Manchin should be rewarded for duplicity
Tony Gerace
@Mai Naem mobile: An international communications network — let’s call it the “internet” — exists. Biden can, and should, chew Manchin’s ass out remotely. Whether that would do any good, I don’t know. I don’t know what, if anything, would get through to him or Sinema. They’re Republican operatives, and they’re doing what they’re paid to do.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ksmiami: So no one gets anything. Brilliant.
Another Scott
Once the BBB passes, Manchin will have less leverage on economic policy. He is milking it.
FWIW.
(via CherylRofer)
Cheers,
Scott.
Ksmiami
@Omnes Omnibus: don’t care anymore. Biden can focus on good governance. We can Build a stab in the back narrative against Manchinema and focus on the voting rights battle.
Ksmiami
@Another Scott: man can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
Ksmiami
@Tony Gerace: I hope he’d do it in the most public and humiliating way possible. Make an example out of Manchin
Mai Naem mobile
@John Cole: i didn’t know that. I thought she was still working at Mylan. That makes him look even worse.
jonas
The problem with Manchin and Sinema’s thinking is that they seem to assume what they’re doing is some attempt to push the Democratic Party back to some New American Century-style “center” in which they will have extra-special mavericky influence or something. No. It’s basically Biden going: apres-moi, le deluge. If BBB and the infrastructure bill fail (= the Democrat’s whole agenda), it’s the fucking apocalypse. The return or Trump, or his younger, less stupid — and thus vastly more damaging — successor, like Hawley or Cotton or DeSantis, who will proceed to burn what’s left of American democracy to the ground and piss on the ashes. That’s what at stake here. But these two gutless wonders can’t see past their own fucking egos to realize what’s at stake here.
jonas
@bcw:
This is exactly it. Why he doesn’t see this, I can’t fathom.
Ksmiami
@jonas: I don’t think America in it’s current form is sustainable anyway…
Ksmiami
@jonas: he’s just not smart; he’s just lucky he was born into one of the few upscale families in WVA
Boomzilla
He’s bent like Joe Theismann’s leg.
He’s so bought off. Not just bought off, but makes money directly from his coal mine. Or his family does.
He’s run out of excuses. Or at least excuses that don’t include his going to a meeting somewhere and saying, Hi, my name is Joe and I’m a thief.
Boomzilla
Ksmiami
@Boomzilla: I think we start making Senate life hell if they don’t actually do the work for their constituents. And they thought a bathroom questioning was uncivil….
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ksmiami:
and that tactic was obviously so successful!
Ksmiami
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m not saying it should have happened but there’s only so long people can remain above the fray….
mrmoshpotato
I’m an adult, so I’ll just say it – Fuck Joe Manchin, and fuck Krysten Sinema!
Peale
@Omnes Omnibus: While you are getting up there in years, you can bike to work. Or buy a horse to that can wade through the ford. Move to Portage to take advantage of two navigable rivers. Threre’s no need to pass both.
Ruckus
I think I see your problem.
That JM is actually thinking. There is no evidence of this, none whatsoever. Because cognitive thought would not elicit this whatever it is that he is doing.
Kropacetic
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m not saying we should tank the infrastructure bill, but it seems to me like some noisy opposition to some troublesome provisions in that bill may create some urgency behind passing the whole package before it becomes a real threat.
Betsy
@Constance Reader: Agree, like “X Files” or “Moonlighting” where the male and female protagonists might get together, or might not get together, but if they ever finally do, the series is done, but the whole premise of that potential is what keeps the dramatic tension where it needs to be.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropacetic: I am not sure how well that would work. I am not opposed to anything that would make things go faster. I just don’t think that creating a nightmare from the left to match the one from right helps.
Kropacetic
@Omnes Omnibus: We dont have to match. Nothing that will explicitly drag out the process. I saw some long sought bad ideas mentioned in this very thread that supposedly made it into the BIB. If passing this bill alone is the goal of the opposition, the bill can’t be viewed as completely uncontroversial.
It seems no matter who is in charge, only Republican policy is deemed acceptable. This can’t stand.
Ascap_scab
If I’m in Congress, I’m using his exact words at the next Military spending bill.
Morzer
Manchin’s a very rich, selfish old man with corrupt ties to a number of polluting industries. He’s doing his damnedest to make sure his kind don’t pay a penny to help the Americans he so obviously despises. That’s what he wants and that’s what he’s negotiating for under the utterly unconvincing cover of inflation concerns.
dervy scram
yes let’s just meekly accept the framing of the 60%ers who brought us Birther and But Her Emails
ETtheLibrarian
Does he think he is the white man savior that is going to save the Senate?
JimV
To repeat a comment about Manchin I made here months ago, he is a Republican in Democrat clothing, inside the tent pissing in.