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You are here: Home / Healthcare / COVID-19 Coronavirus / COVID-19 Coronavirus Updates: Sunday / Monday, Nov. 7-8

COVID-19 Coronavirus Updates: Sunday / Monday, Nov. 7-8

by Anne Laurie|  November 8, 20215:37 am| 52 Comments

This post is in: COVID-19 Coronavirus, Foreign Affairs

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?❤️https://t.co/N2xhx4DWAV

— little john (@nhojelttil) November 7, 2021


A long time ago, before science was politicized. https://t.co/cwVGnJkI6A

— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) November 7, 2021

The @POTUS account thanks @bigbird for getting vaccinated pic.twitter.com/5Dmv64oT98

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) November 8, 2021

Quick update on state of pandemic in the US

National picture has turned mixed

Bad news: rapid declines in cases has plateaued

Over past 2 weeks, new infections flat at about 75K per day

The good news?

Early in November, we're flat

Could be much worse. Could be 2020

Thread pic.twitter.com/iSWZaddYjo

— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) November 7, 2021

Now that doesn’t answer, in itself, what the most appropriate or effective response to COVID should be, or how we weight the costs vs advantages of any given measure.

But yeah, if we just let it rip, its a freaking big deal.

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) November 7, 2021

Lives lost to undervaccination as of Septemberhttps://t.co/SCEABMPhKs

— COVID19 (@V2019N) November 7, 2021

98% of people over 65 have at least one dose which tells me both that we are capable of incredible feats as a species and that most 'Facebook boomers' are really elder Xers who embraced the internet without ever getting wise to its pitfalls.

Your offline grans are doing fine. https://t.co/fPjYBqQsj4

— zeddy (@Zeddary) November 7, 2021

US to reopen borders to vaccinated travellers after 20 months https://t.co/ufFqcWk1gE

— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) November 8, 2021

U.S. expects delays Monday when COVID-19 travel restriction lifts, official says https://t.co/EIeJgdxvSG pic.twitter.com/8fyI9T0Lfh

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 6, 2021

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Worldwide cases due to COVID-19 were approaching 250 million on Sunday as the surge from the Delta variant eases and more normal trade and tourism resume, although some countries in eastern Europe are experiencing record outbreaks. https://t.co/l2wBkDQtsg

— Reuters Health (@Reuters_Health) November 7, 2021

50 new SARSCoV2 cases in China despite lockdowns and qurantines. Stringent measures will remain in effect, health officials there say https://t.co/RbeHxmZw8S

— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) November 7, 2021

Japan has zero daily COVID-19 deaths for first time in 15 months – media https://t.co/APzo79nQbq pic.twitter.com/MbNGhuh5pq

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 8, 2021

Indonesia plans to give booster shots to the general public after 50% of its population has been fully vaccinated, its health minister said https://t.co/AWtoAW7s96 pic.twitter.com/d4wtOWVl3V

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 8, 2021

Australia will begin administering booster shots of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine, as millions in its largest city, Sydney, woke up to more freedom amid an accelerating immunization drive https://t.co/UB22L4EqUf pic.twitter.com/nUivLyhqd7

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 8, 2021

New Zealand will ease coronavirus restrictions in its biggest city as vaccinations rates rise and lockdown measures will likely be phased out by the end of the month, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said https://t.co/blXfVurso0 pic.twitter.com/RtzohLhNYv

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 8, 2021

Russia on Monday confirmed 39,400 new Covid-19 infections and 1,190 deathshttps://t.co/SUCjwsk6Nk

— The Moscow Times (@MoscowTimes) November 8, 2021

Russia's paid holiday, designed to slow the spread of the coronavirus, has ended. But many regions have left vaccine passports and other restrictions in place.https://t.co/cN2Il3dlrc

— The Moscow Times (@MoscowTimes) November 8, 2021

Germany is seeing a record rate of COVID-19 infections as vaccinations slow. Unlike some other European countries, it has balked at making vaccinations mandatory for any professional group. https://t.co/ejyBzdlxa1

— AP Europe (@AP_Europe) November 8, 2021

Iceland is one of several European countries with a recent surge in Covid, with data indicating the cases stem from unvaccinated adults and teens, and, to a lesser extent, vaccinated adultshttps://t.co/FDuhqNku7U pic.twitter.com/4FEhsfGsBu

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) November 7, 2021

UK to roll out COVID-19 antiviral drug trial this month -Health Security Agency https://t.co/AMYUitYXRy pic.twitter.com/JUKcSRfHqu

— Reuters (@Reuters) November 8, 2021

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Novavax has completed the process required for WHO's designation as an emergency-use Covid vaccine. The company also plans to soon submit complete data to the FDA for possible US emergency use. Novavax's vaccine is made using more conventional methods https://t.co/iGipk3YSwH

— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) November 8, 2021

Covid as a hospital-acquired infection: More than 10,000 patients caught Covid in a hospital, a new analysis shows. They went into hospitals with heart attacks, kidney failure or in a psychiatric crisis. Some never made it out https://t.co/BspPSID6A4 pic.twitter.com/UCWkwgwdvE

— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) November 7, 2021

I think many people still underestimate the pandemic truth of „it is not one intervention alone“. If the oral antivirals work as well as first reports suggest they are a game changer not because they are a silver bullet but because they can be layered on top of vaccines.

— Kai Kupferschmidt (@kakape) November 5, 2021

It is amazing to me that very simple truths that have been repeated ad nauseam over the last twenty months still need to be repeated again and again. And it is a huge challenge for journalists that see their job as reporting the „news“.

— Kai Kupferschmidt (@kakape) November 5, 2021

Staying one step ahead of SARS-CoV-2 requires genetic surveillance, continual laboratory testing of existing vaccines, and the development of new vaccine approaches ?https://t.co/RXL0876hij

— CEPI (@CEPIvaccines) November 7, 2021

So frustrating

Why do these "mix-ups" keep happening to Ivermectin studies?

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that so many of these studies highly touted on Twitter and Facebook end up getting retracted https://t.co/0ulyE7pTA0

— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) November 6, 2021

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Many elementary schools around the U.S. are preparing to offer COVID-19 shots, now that the vaccine has been approved for younger children. But some school systems are wary after some middle and high schools that offered shots received pushback. https://t.co/0XRfgHwR06

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 7, 2021

Don’t think I’d fully realized the extent to which COVID deaths are no longer a thing in New York pic.twitter.com/wSF3M0KO6e

— Tom Gara (@tomgara) November 7, 2021



Big orange turd vs. big yellow bird…

not good pic.twitter.com/t4ODVctpGr

— Patrick De Klotz (@patdeklotz) November 5, 2021

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    November 8, 2021 at 5:56 am

    I continue to dislike that deaths are not broken down by vaxxed and unvaxxed.

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    November 8, 2021 at 5:58 am

    Country #61 to surpass 500k reported cases is Croatia.

    Locally,

    There were 134 additional COVID-19 cases (120 confirmed and 14 probable) in Hawai‘i on Sunday, bringing the state total to 85,405 since reporting began Feb. 28, 2020.
    [snip]
    With Mauiʻs 11 cases today (confirmed and probable), Maui Countyʻs total cases since the start of the pandemic are 10,014 (8,206 confirmed and 1,808 probable).

    Hawai‘i’s COVID-19 deaths increased to 962, with 12 new deaths reported today. There have been 66 deaths reported over the past seven days. Source

  3. 3.

    NeenerNeener

    November 8, 2021 at 6:16 am

    Monroe County, NY:

    The Monroe County website takes the weekend off; NYSDOH says 399 new cases yesterday and a 7.6% test positivity. A repeat of 2020…

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    Amir Khalid

    November 8, 2021 at 6:26 am

    Malaysia’s Ministry of Health reports 4,543 new Covid-19 cases today in its media statement, the lowest daily number in six months, for a cumulative reported total of 2,510,852 cases. It also reports 35 deaths as of midnight, for an adjusted cumulative total of 29,291 deaths – 1.17% of the cumulative reported total, 1.20% of resolved cases.

    Based on cases reported yesterday, Malaysia’s nationwide Rt is at 0.92.

    529 confirmed cases are in ICU, 205 of them on ventilators. Meanwhile, 7,348 more patients have recovered, for a cumulative total of 2,419,743 patients recovered – 96.4% of the cumulative reported total.

    Six new clusters were reported today, for a cumulative total of 5,812 clusters. 314 clusters are currently active; 5,498 clusters are now inactive.

    4,523 new cases today are local infections. 15 new cases today are imported.

    The National Covid-19 Immunisation Programme (PICK) administered 38,027 doses of vaccine on 7th November: 3,068 first doses, 13,110 second doses, and 21,849 booster doses. As of midnight on the 4th, the cumulative total is 50,402,399 doses administered: 25,525,035 first doses, 24,552,038 second doses, and 506,236 booster doses. 78.2% of the population have received their first dose, while 75.2% are now fully vaccinated.

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    Robert Sneddon

    November 8, 2021 at 6:26 am

    @Baud: ​You would discover a lot more deaths of vaccinated people than you would expect if the deaths of people with COVID-19 were indeed broken down into vaccinated and unvaccinated cases and reported.
    In most countries with a big takeup of the vaccines the largest groups of vaccinated people are the elderly, 60+ years of age (here in the UK it’s about 98% fully vaccinated with a booster program going gangbusters). The elderly are at the most at risk of serious outcomes and death if they catch this disease simply because they are old and more likely to suffer from associated kidney problems, heart problems, lung problems etc. Breakthrough infections of COVID-19 will cause older people to die in greater numbers than younger people even when both groups are vaccinated.
    Epidemics are statistics. Vaccines push the odds of good outcomes after infection up but they can’t guarantee perfect protection, and given the nature of the SARS-nCoV-2 virus and its ability to survive in wild animal reservoirs it’s unlikely it can be made extinct like smallpox and (perhaps) polio. What vaccines can also do is reduce the amount of SARS-nCoV-2 virus circulating in the human population which translates into fewer cases and fewer deaths in total. Get vaccinated, people.​

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    OzarkHillbilly

    November 8, 2021 at 6:27 am

    Mark Hamill
    @HamillHimself
    A long time ago, before science was politicized.

    Science has always been politicized Mark. Just ask Leonardo.

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    Nicole

    November 8, 2021 at 6:36 am

    I have a photo of young me and young my brother standing in front of full size cardboard cutouts of C3PO and R2D2 after getting our shots in that vaccination drive. ?

    Of course, all these years later I realize it’s kind of funny they picked the two non-living Star Wars characters to be the campaign mascots.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    November 8, 2021 at 6:41 am

    Patrick Chovanec
    @prchovanec
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    20h
    For people who tell me the average mortality rate for COVID is less than 2%, so what’s the big deal, I have two questions:

    1) What is 2% of 330 million Americans? (6.6 million)

    2) What percentage of Americans died in World War II? (0.32%) In the Civil War? (2.5%)

    I have a third question: What makes you think we have a choice of who’s in the 2%?

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    YY_Sima Qian

    November 8, 2021 at 6:45 am

    On 11/7 China reported 66 new domestic confirmed (18 previously asymptomatic) & 34 new domestic asymptomatic cases.

    Inner Mongolia “Autonomous” Region reported 1 new domestic confirmed case. 24 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 94 active domestic confirmed cases in the region.

    • Ejina Banner in Alxa League did not report any new domestic positive case (at Dalaihob Township; from screening of persons under centralized quarantine). 21 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 84 active domestic confirmed cases there. The Dalaihob Township remains at High Risk.
    • Erenhot in Xilingol League reported 1 new domestic confirmed case, found via daily screening of persons in high risk occupations (presumably a logistics workers, as Erenhot is also a major border crossing w/ Mongolia). 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 9 active domestic confirmed cases there. 3 communities are currently at Medium Risk.
    • 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered in the rest of the Region (both at Hohhot). 1 active domestic confirmed case remains at Ejin Horo Banner in Erdos. 1 sub-district at Alxa Left Banner & 2 residential compounds at Hohhot remain at Medium Risk. 

    At Xi’an in Shaanxi Province there currently are 11 active domestic confirmed cases in the city.

    Ningxia “Autonomous” Region did not report any new domestic positive cases. 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 40 active domestic confirmed cases in the region.

    • Yinchuan did not report any new domestic positive cases. 1 domestic confirmed case recovered, There currently are 29 active domestic confirmed cases in the city. 3 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.
    • 11 active domestic confirmed cases remain in the rest of the region (10 at Wuzhong & 1 at Zhongwei).

    Gansu Province reported 2 new domestic confirmed (1 mild & 1 moderate) & 3 new domestic asymptomatic cases. 5 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 122 active domestic confirmed cases in the province.

    • Lanzhou reported 2 new domestic confirmed (1 mild & 1 moderate) & 3 new domestic asymptomatic cases, all traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine. 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 68 active domestic confirmed & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 2 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.
    • Tianshui did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 38 active domestic confirmed cases in the city. 1 community, 1 residential compound & 1 village are currently at Medium Risk.
    • 3 domestic confirmed cases recovered in the rest of the province, w/ 16 active domestic confirmed cases remain in the rest of the province (13 at Zhangye & 3 at Jiayuguan). 1 residential compound at Zhangye has been re-designated as Low Risk.

    Hebei Province reported 8 new domestic confirmed & 1 new domestic asymptomatic cases. 3 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 100 active confirmed & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Shijiazhuang reported 1 new domestic asymptomatic case, at Shenze (a traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine). 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 57 active domestic confirmed (52 at Shenze County & 5 at Jinzhou) & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases (all at Shenze) in the city. 1 village is currently at High Risk. 1 village is currently at Medium Risk.
    • Xinji reported 8 new domestic confirmed cases, all either traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine or found via screening of persons under centralized quarantine. There currently are 42 active domestic confirmed cases in the city. 1 zone is currently at Medium Risk.
    • In the rest of the province, 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered, & 1 active domestic confirmed case remains (at Baoding).

    At Hunan Province there currently are 4 active domestic confirmed (at Changsha) & 1 active domestic asymptomatic (at Zhuzhou) cases remaining in the province.

    At Zunyi in Guizhou Province 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 5 active domestic confirmed cases (2 moderate, 1 serious & 2 critical) remaining in the city. 2 residential compounds remain at Medium Risk.

    Beijing Municipality reported 1 new domestic confirmed case (moderate), a traced close contact already under centralized quarantine since 10/27. 2 domestic confirmed case There currently are 41 active domestic confirmed cases in the city. 1 community remains at High Risk. 2 communities are currently at Medium Risk.

    At Rizhao in Shandong Province did not report There currently are 14 active domestic confirmed & 6 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 residential compound is currently at Medium Risk.

    Sichuan Province reported 4 new domestic confirmed (2 previously asymptomatic) & 2 new domestic asymptomatic cases. There currently are 17 active domestic confirmed & 2 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Chengdu reported 4 new domestic confirmed (2 previously asymptomatic) & 2 new domestic asymptomatic cases, all of the new domestic positive cases are traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine. There currently are 16 active domestic confirmed & 2 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 3 residential compounds has been elevated to Medium Risk. 9 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.
    • At Zigong there currently is 1 active domestic confirmed case remaining.

    Chongqing Municipality reported 1 new domestic confirmed case, a traced close contact already under centralized quarantine since 11/2. There currently are 6 active domestic confirmed & 4 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 2 residential compounds & 1 office building are currently at Medium Risk.

    Changzhou in Jiangsu Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 3 active domestic confirmed & 1 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 3 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.

    Qinghai Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 12 active domestic confirmed cases in the province.

    • Xining did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 11 active domestic confirmed cases in the city
    • At Haidong there currently is 1 active domestic confirmed case in the city.

    At Tianmen in Hubei Province there currently are 2 domestic confirmed cases (1 mild & 1 moderate) in the city.

    Heilongjiang Province reported 6 new domestic confirmed. 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 243 active domestic confirmed & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Heihe reported 6 new domestic confirmed cases, all found among persons already under centralized or home quarantine. 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 238 active domestic confirmed cases in the city, all at Aihui District. 1 residential compound & 1 village are currently at High Risk. 15 residential compounds, 1 residential building & 2 villages are currently at Medium Risk.
    • Harbin did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 5 active domestic confirmed & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 4 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.

    Shangrao in Jiangxi Province reported 1 new domestic confirmed (mild) & 6 new domestic asymptomatic cases. 1 domestic asymptomatic case was released from isolation. There currently are 9 active domestic confirmed & 27 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 township & 1 residential compound are currently Medium Risk.

    Zhejiang Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 1 active domestic confirmed (at Jiaxing) & 1 active domestic asymptomatic (at Hangzhou) cases in the province.

    Henan Province reported 18 new domestic confirmed (14 previously asymptomatic) & 7 new domestic asymptomatic cases. There currently are 37 active domestic confirmed & 10 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Zhengzhou reported 16 new domestic confirmed (13 previously asymptomatic) & 7 new domestic asymptomatic cases. There currently are 28 active domestic confirmed & 10 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. The vast majority of cases are unvaccinated schoolchildren, including > 15 pupils at a single elementary school. 3 communities, 1 residential compound & 3 villages are currently at Medium Risk.
    • Zhoukou reported 2 new domestic confirmed (1 previously asymptomatic), a traced close contact already under centralized quarantine since 11/4, a middle school student. There currently are 4 active domestic confirmed cases in the city. 1 community has been elevated to Medium Risk.
    • At Shangqiu there currently are 5 active domestic confirmed cases remaining, from the previously outbreak in Aug.

    Dalian in Liaoning Province reported 20 new domestic confirmed (2 previously asymptomatic, 8 mild & 12 moderate) & 12 new domestic asymptomatic cases, 15 traced close contacts, 15 from mass screening & 2 from voluntary testing. There currently are 40 active domestic confirmed & 28 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 village has been elevated to Medium Risk. 1 community & 2 villages are currently at Medium Risk.

    Dehong Prefecture in Yunnan Province reported 3 new domestic confirmed & 3 new domestic asymptomatic cases (3 each at Ruili & Yingjiang County, via screening of persons in restricted movement zones). 2 domestic asymptomatic cases were released from isolation. There currently are 16 active domestic confirmed & 31 active domestic asymptomatic cases at the prefecture. 1 village at Ruili has been elevated to Medium Risk. 1 zone & 1 village at Ruili is currently at Medium Risk.

    Imported Cases

    On 11/7, China reported 24 new imported confirmed cases (3 previously asymptomatic), 12 imported asymptomatic cases:

    • Yunnan Province (location not specified) – 6 confirmed cases, 5 Chinese nationals returning from Myanmar & 1 from Laos, all via land border crossings
    • Shanghai Municipality – 6 confirmed cases, 2 Chinese nationals returning from Singapore & 1 each from Japan, Kazakhstan (via Amsterdam Schiphol) the UK (via Frankfurt) & the US
    • Taiyuan in Shanxi Province – 3 confirmed cases, no information released
    • Guangzhou in Guangdong Province – 3 confirmed cases (1 previously asymptomatic), 1 Chinese national each returning from Ethiopia, Myanmar & the UAE; 3 asymptomatic cases, 1 Chinese national each returning from the DRC, Japan & Tajikistan
    • Chengdu in Sichuan Province – 1 confirmed case, a Chinese national returning from Cameroon (via Cairo); 4 asymptomatic cases, 2 Chinese nationals returning from Egypt & 1 each from Cameroon (via Cairo) & Cambodia
    • Hohhot in Inner Mongolia “Autonomous” Region – 1 confirmed case, off a flight diverted from Beijing
    • Hangzhou in Zhejiang Province – 1 confirmed case (previously asymptomatic), coming from Cameroon; 1 asymptomatic case, coming from Russia
    • Putian in Fujian Province – 1 confirmed case, no information released
    • Qingdao in Shandong Province – 1 confirmed case, a Chinese national returning from Nigeria (via Frankfurt)
    • Guangxi “Autonomous” Region (location not specified) – 1 confirmed case, no information released
    • Xi’an in Shaanxi Province – 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from Uzbekistan, off a flight diverted from Beijing
    • Zhengzhou in Henan Province – 1 asymptomatic case, no information released
    • Wuhan in Hubei Province – 1 asymptomatic case, coming from Pakistan

    Overall in China, 56 confirmed cases recovered (19 imported), 11 asymptomatic cases were released from isolation (all imported) & 21 were reclassified as confirmed cases (3 imported), & 1,620 individuals were released from quarantine. Currently, there are 1,202 active confirmed cases in the country (388 imported), 28 in serious condition (3 imported), 456 active asymptomatic cases (335 imported), 3 suspect case (all imported). 49,691 traced contacts are currently under centralized quarantine.

    As of 11/7, 2,330.726M vaccine doses have been injected in Mainland China, an increase of 8.624M doses in the past 24 hrs.

    On 11/8, Hong Kong did not report any new positive cases.

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    November 8, 2021 at 6:46 am

    @Nicole

    Be grateful it wasn’t Skippy.

    :)

  11. 11.

    Soprano2

    November 8, 2021 at 6:48 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Without vaccines we wouldn’t have a choice, but they fool themselves that as long as they live “healthy” or “strengthen their immune system” they’re going to be ok, or they say “I’m in a small town, we don’t live on top of each other so I’m not at risk”. I’ve heard a ton of wishful thinking from MAGAs, and my response is always that it’s like playing Russian roulette.

  12. 12.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 8, 2021 at 6:57 am

    @Soprano2: Everybody knows better, but we all think we will live forever. At least until the day mortality slaps us upside the face. My question is, don’t you have parents? A spouse? Siblings? Children? Do you not care at all for any of them? Apparently the answer is, “No.”

    I just can’t wrap my head around that.

  13. 13.

    Kay

    November 8, 2021 at 7:01 am

    School vaccine drives have faced pushback and protests in Ohio and elsewhere, and some opponents say they plan to keep up pressure as the focus of the vaccination effort shifts to younger students.
    Sarah Kenney, who represents the group Mainers for Health and Parental Rights, argues that schools should not be getting involved or even talking to young children about the vaccine. She worries about its newness and potential for long-term side effects.
    Kenney also expressed concern about stigma against children who do not get vaccinated.

    Have you noticed anti-vaxxers have gone from complaining about mandates to opposing even offering people vaccines? Oh- we’re also forbidden to talk about it in schools. Another speech ban.
    Add “vaccines” to the “woke” list, I guess.
    We’ll know in about a year if the anti-vaxxers have driven down all childhood immunization rates. I fully expect that to happen. We’ll know who to blame when schools close due to a measles or whooping cough outbreak.

  14. 14.

    SectionH

    November 8, 2021 at 7:01 am

    @Baud: I’m fairly sure that San Diego Co stats do that. The gotcha is  they only update on Wednesdays. But you can look. They do comparative stats, in big bold graphics, How many get sicker and DIE, unvaxxed vs vaxxed.

    Sadly as I know you know, the audience for real stats isn’t us.

  15. 15.

    eclare

    November 8, 2021 at 7:04 am

    @Kay:  I fully expect acceptance of all vaccines to lower, too.

  16. 16.

    eclare

    November 8, 2021 at 7:07 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  I’m partly being selfish in getting vaccinated because I am pretty much on my own if I get covid.  I have some elderly relatives (80’s and 90’s) who live about 45 minutes away, but I would never ask them to help me even though they are also vaccinated.

    I just don’t trust my cats to help.

  17. 17.

    Kay

    November 8, 2021 at 7:08 am

    Here’s the 2019 benchmark for childhood vaccines:

    Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (4+ doses DTP, DT, or DTaP): 80.7%
    Polio (3+ doses): 92.6%
    Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) (1+ doses): 90.8%
    Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) (primary series + booster dose): 79.6%
    Hepatitis B (Hep B) (3+ doses): 90.6%
    Chickenpox (Varicella) (1+ doses): 90.2%
    Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) (4+ doses): 81.0%
    Combined 7-vaccine series: 68.3%

    We should know in about a year if the covid anti-vaxxers have driven down all childhood vaccination rates. Rates are lower than normal right now, but it I don’t think we know (yet) if these assholes are actually creating an infectious disease emergency in children.

    If rates fall and there are outbreaks we’ll know who to blame.

  18. 18.

    Kay

    November 8, 2021 at 7:15 am

    @eclare:

    Parental Rights. They have The Right to cause an infectious disease outbreak in a public school. I can’t even imagine the level of entitlement and selfishness. Poorly raised.

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    PST

    November 8, 2021 at 7:39 am

    @eclare:

    I fully expect acceptance of all vaccines to lower, too.

    I think so as well. More blood on Trump’s hands (and, of course, not his alone). These people are not sticklers for consistency, but it will no doubt push many who oppose COVID mandates because they are MAGAts to go the full anti-vax route. The are preadapted to that kind of thinking and find it hard to answer the question why have you been letting your children get a dozen other vaccines.

  20. 20.

    Scout211

    November 8, 2021 at 7:40 am

    @Kay:

    In California, the unvaccinated kids are all homeschooled.  Here, and in some other states, exemptions from vaccinations for public school attendance are almost impossible to get.  And by next fall, COVID vaccinations will be added to that list. I would imagine more anti-COVID-vaccination  parents will start homeschooling their kids then.

    On the other hand, there are many other places that kids gather in public in groups outside of public schools. So there will still be spread.   But at least the public schools will not be the main source of that spread.

    Some days I wake up and my first thought is:  I am so glad that I live in California.

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    eclare

    November 8, 2021 at 7:42 am

    @PST:   Ironically, MS had the highest rate of compliance of all the states on children’s measles vaccines.  Now it’s near the bottom for covid.  It’s all political.

  22. 22.

    Taken4Granite

    November 8, 2021 at 7:46 am

    @Soprano2: Among the things these small-town magical thinkers overlook is that they all buy groceries at the one grocery store in town, shop at the one drug store/pharmacy in town, etc. It doesn’t matter that they aren’t in close physical proximity all the time if they are in close physical proximity for even an hour a week.

    South Dakota, North Dakota, and Alaska have been among the hardest hit states per capita despite their low population densities. That people must congregate in a few places to obtain basic supplies is a major contributing factor.

  23. 23.

    Fiona

    November 8, 2021 at 7:48 am

    I’m somewhat amazed that no one has explained the 2% number in short words.

    “Do you know 100 people? Which 2 of them do you think should die from Covid?”

  24. 24.

    Taken4Granite

    November 8, 2021 at 7:49 am

    @eclare: Mississippi is, oddly enough, one of the few states that did not have religious exemptions from school vaccination requirements. So would-be anti-vax parents had one less way to game the system.

  25. 25.

    Kay

    November 8, 2021 at 7:50 am

    @Scout211:

    In red states like Ohio it’s already become fashionable among the politicians to screech generic anti-vaxx under the ever-widening “Parental Rights” banner.

    They’ve already introduced bills to get rid of all vaccine mandates. It’s consistent. If your position is you shouldn’t be required to get a vaccine that applies to all vaccines.

    We’ll see outbreaks of infectious disease among children as a result of this. When (not if)  that happens, we’ll know exactly who to blame.

  26. 26.

    Kay

    November 8, 2021 at 7:55 am

    @Scout211:

    You already see the shift. They’ve moved from opposing mandates to opposing vaccines being offered or information given about them because that’s a “stigma”.

    Is anyone really surprised the people who call other people “snowflakes” are themselves the biggest self-centered whiners in the world? Every accusation is a confession.

  27. 27.

    eclare

    November 8, 2021 at 7:56 am

    @Taken4Granite:  Ahhh.  That makes sense. Guess I’ll see what MS does with covid and school age kids.  Where I live borders MS, so I have a vested interest.

  28. 28.

    satby

    November 8, 2021 at 8:00 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I have a third question: What makes you think we have a choice of who’s in the 2%?

    That’s the key unasked question; because the covid  dismissers always think it won’t be them or their loved ones … until it is.

  29. 29.

    satby

    November 8, 2021 at 8:06 am

    @Scout211: Homeschooling is how parents evade a lot of child welfare laws, mandatory vaccination being one. Child labor is another. Homeschooling needs to be much better regulated.

  30. 30.

    Taken4Granite

    November 8, 2021 at 8:08 am

    @Kay: The era before the polio vaccine is still within living memory. The Silent Generation (to which my mother belongs) and even the older Boomers (including one Donald J. Trump) should be able to remember a time when public swimming pools often had to close (in an era when home air conditioning was rare) due to polio outbreaks. Which is why people were eager to get the Salk vaccine when it first became available in 1955.

    But that, like World War II, is fading. My mother is in her 80s and been fortunate to escape the clutches of Fox News. I hope that we will not have to re-learn the lessons that her generation learned, but so many people are determined to put us on that course.

  31. 31.

    eclare

    November 8, 2021 at 8:12 am

    @satby:   Rightly or wrongly, I suspect some form of child abuse/neglect from anyone  homeschooling.  There is no trusted authority to monitor a child’s safety.

    Prime example being that couple in CA who drove off a cliff with their six children.  Homeschooled.  Hadn’t been to a dr in years.  Who could those kids tell that they were being abused?

  32. 32.

    jonas

    November 8, 2021 at 8:35 am

    @Baud: @NotMax: 

    Apropos of both these comments, my upstate county (like Monroe) isn’t doing too well with Covid these days. Our positivity rate is hovering around 3%, so it’s still masks indoors and everything. In all of 2021, less than 10% of Covid deaths have been among unvaccinated patients. And all of them were over 50, with most in their 80’s and 90’s with other serious underlying conditions. This means that *virtually no-one* under 50 who is vaccinated has died of Covid around here in the past 10 months.

  33. 33.

    jonas

    November 8, 2021 at 8:41 am

    @Taken4Granite: ​
     

    That people must congregate in a few places to obtain basic supplies is a major contributing factor.

    It’s church. They all go to church on Sunday. Your mainline congregations can probably space out and everything but they pack ’em in at those larger evangelical churches for weekly superspreader events, you betcha.

  34. 34.

    jonas

    November 8, 2021 at 8:46 am

    @eclare: ​
      I don’t know that there are any data showing that homeschooled kids are more likely to be abused, or to have that abuse go undetected for longer because they’re not in school. While I’ve known some homeschooling parents who did a great job teaching their kids, I’ve seen a lot of others who basically count doing chores as math and reading the Bible as English. These kids know nothing and will go out into the world someday — should they escape their sheltered, quasi-Amish home life — and scarcely know how to survive. But counties and school districts let it slide because they don’t want all these rightwing nutjobs jumping down their throats.

  35. 35.

    smith

    November 8, 2021 at 8:47 am

    @Baud: The CDC does report cases and deaths by vax status for 16 jurisdictions representing 30% of US population, and breaks the numbers down by age  and vaccine product. It would be nice if we had it for all states, but what’s reported seems to be a fairly good mix of states politically and geographically. The numbers are as you’d expect.

  36. 36.

    Peale

    November 8, 2021 at 8:50 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: just ask your local chiropractor, homeopath or chakra hustler how great it’s been for them to have Congressmen on their side. Oh, they’ll complain about how the evidence based physicians have discriminated against them, and how the NIH won’t fund their research while charging you a few thousand dollars to read your aura and give you a placebo.

  37. 37.

    smith

    November 8, 2021 at 9:00 am

    @Soprano2: You might want to show them these graphs from CDC (assuming you can get them to look at graphs). Rural areas have a much higher rate of infection (about 50% more) than metropolitan areas, and more than twice the death rate. This has been true throughout the entire Delta surge.

    CDC also gives the breakdown of communities of various sizes, from large core metro, to totally rural (choose NCHS Urban/Rural Classification in the list box). Across the board, infection and death rates are higher the smaller the community. The data fall out so neatly they almost look faked.

    This effect seems to be mostly due to resistance to mitigating measures getting higher as the community gets smaller, though a larger population of old people in rural areas probably also contributes to the higher death rate. A similar pattern emerged during last year’s fall/winter surge, but it seems to be the combination of vaccines plus Delta that threw this phenomenon into stark relief.

  38. 38.

    artem1s

    November 8, 2021 at 9:01 am

    @jonas:

    It’s church. They all go to church on Sunday.

    agreed. probably the most likely peer group to brag about being protected by their invisible sky fairy (and superior male whiteness) too. if you get the shot, you get shunned.

  39. 39.

    Geoduck

    November 8, 2021 at 9:36 am

    @artem1s: I’ve read that in some places people sneak off and get the shot without telling anyone, because they’d be ruined socially if it got out.

  40. 40.

    UncleEbeneezer

    November 8, 2021 at 9:42 am

    @Kay: They have a right to raise their children to believe up is down, the Earth is 6,000 years old and flat, the Civil War was about  “States Rights™”, gender is a strict binary, tax cuts work etc.   This really all boils down to the commonly held view that children are property and can be brainwashed with all kinds of messed up beliefs and falsehoods, at the whim of the parents.  It’s almost fitting that this all started with Scopes and the denial of Evolution and now we have a deadly virus to contend with, giving one of the most obvious examples of evolution in action (Delta and other variants).

  41. 41.

    Sloane Ranger

    November 8, 2021 at 9:52 am

    @NotMax:

     

    Be grateful it wasn’t Skippy.

    When I read that I immediately thought of Skippy the Bush Kangaroo and wondered if I’d missed some campaign using him/her as a mascot for childhood vaccinations. Good thing I clicked on the link!

    Now, for yesterday’s figures from the UK, where we had 30,305 new cases, which lead to a reduction of 12.9% in the rolling 7-day average. Weekend warnings apply, however. New cases by nation,

    England – 23,779 (down 2471)

    Northern Ireland – 1035 (down 159)

    Scotland – 2908 (down 341)

    Wales – 2583 (Does not report on Saturdays).

    Deaths – There were 62 deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported yesterday but registry offices are closed over the weekend so expect a big increase in deaths showing up on Monday/Tuesday. The Rolling 7-day average is up by 6.8%. 47 deaths were in England, 4 in Northern Ireland, 2 in Scotland and 9 in Wales.

    Testing – Not updated at weekends.

    Hospitalisations – Not updated at weekends.

    Vaccinations – As of Saturday, 50,234,416 people had had 1 shot of a vaccine, 45,836,791 had had 2 shots and 10,062,704 had had a 3rd shot/booster. In percentage terms this means that 87.4% of all UK residents aged 12+ have had 1 shot, 79.7% have had 2 and 17.5% have had a 3rd shot/booster.

  42. 42.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2021 at 9:53 am

    @Geoduck:

    I’ve read that in some places people sneak off and get the shot without telling anyone, because they’d be ruined socially if it got out. 

    I would love to take their pictures and publicly “shame” them because I’m nice like that.

  43. 43.

    eclare

    November 8, 2021 at 9:58 am

    @UncleEbeneezer:  Darwin take the wheel!

  44. 44.

    Taken4Granite

    November 8, 2021 at 10:21 am

    @Sloane Ranger:

    @NotMax:

     

    Be grateful it wasn’t Skippy.

    When I read that I immediately thought of Skippy the Bush Kangaroo and wondered if I’d missed some campaign using him/her as a mascot for childhood vaccinations. Good thing I clicked on the link!

    My instinct was to think of Skippy a.k.a. Super Virus from the old card game Nuclear War. Unfortunately, that game seems to be out of print; I can’t find any mention of it on the website of the company that made the game.

  45. 45.

    Feathers

    November 8, 2021 at 10:36 am

    @Nicole: Because it didn’t cost money. Lucasfilm could just say yes and send the photos to use. Just getting approval from the actors would have been taken at least some time and effort.

  46. 46.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    November 8, 2021 at 11:42 am

    Greece: As of 1600 UTC (6pm Athens time, 1pm Eastern time), the Sunday-to-Monday numbers were released. 7,335 new cases (the highest daily number yet), 65 dead, 477 intubated in ICUs.

  47. 47.

    J R in WV

    November 8, 2021 at 12:44 pm

    @jonas: ​
     

    …but they pack ’em in at those larger evangelical churches for weekly superspreader events, fund raising to pay the preachers the big bucks, you betcha.

    Fix’d that for ya!

  48. 48.

    Munira

    November 8, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    @Peale: Everyone in my chiropractor’s office is fully vaccinated and very pro-vax. The one I’m having problems with is the dentist. They refuse to even tell us if everyone – or anyone – is vaccinated. May have to get a new dentist – sigh.

  49. 49.

    JaneE

    November 8, 2021 at 1:15 pm

    I have long thought that Covid-19 would wind up more like the flu than not.  Annual shots to beef up the immune system, antivirals to treat cases ASAP, and still probably hospitalizations and deaths, just not enough to clog up the system.  We are close to that now, except for the political vaccine refuseniks.  Hospitalizations and deaths tend to weed them out faster than than the rest of us, so a few more years and they may wake up to just getting the vaccine, or accepting death and bankruptcy as their lot.  Makes no big difference to me, so long as they don’t keep disrupting services and schools for the rest of us.

    Here in the deep red part of CA, our local public health officer reinstated the indoor mask mandate a week or so ago.  Not the state, our local officer.  Because we were running something like the highest incidence rate in the country or close to it.  It has been about a month since the nuts demanded no masks in schools and turned the local school board meeting into a two hour rant fest.

  50. 50.

    StringOnAStick

    November 8, 2021 at 2:49 pm

    @Munira: Dentists tend to be conservative, some to the point of covering their cars in tea party, that snake flag and tRump stickers.  I temped for one exactly like this, but in general it’s a right of centre profession and if they’re being cagey about vaccination status then yes, you need a new dentist. Be sure to tell them why when you ask to have your records sent to the new one.

  51. 51.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2021 at 5:10 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: You mean like every f’ing church? Talk about brainwashing children – lol

  52. 52.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2021 at 7:20 pm

    @Soprano2:

    It’s like playing Russian roulette but holding the gun up to someone else’s head. And it’s like everyone is playing the same game at the same time. Add in the healthcare facilities in a small town or rural area who can only care for a few wounded at a time.

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