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Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Any Lowcountry (SC) Jackals Out There?

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This does, indeed, seem like an excellent ad for Dr. Andrews. Anyone want to talk about the chances of unseating Rep. Nancy Mace?

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  1. 1.

    WaterGirl

    it’s a great ad.  Though I wish she had made it clear that it’s Republicans in office who are letting us down – with the picture of the capital building, it feels both-sides to me.

    Ah, I see it’s South Carolina.  Calling out Republicans is probably not a great idea there.

    What is lowcountry?  I have never heard that term before.

    The Lowcountry is a geographic and cultural region along South Carolina’s coast, including the Sea Islands. Once known for its slave-based agricultural wealth in rice and indigo, crops that flourished in the hot subtropical climate, the Lowcountry today is known for its historic cities and communities, natural environment, cultural heritage, and tourism industry.

  2. 2.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    looks good to me, those images of Mace posing for selfies are a shot to the gut

    Mace is IIRC a freshman who took the seat from D Joe Cunningham, himself a product of the ’18 wave?

  4. 4.

    Justin W

    Low country cuisine is one of my faves. I’ll donate to this doctor if she approves shrimp and grits as a school lunch item.

  5. 5.

    Tulip

    Great ad, but no chance she gets elected. It’s up for redistricting and Trump won the state by 6 points. This is Mark Stanford’s old gig, so it’s been a safe R seat for a really long time, Cunningham won once, but not since the 70s has a Democratic been elected consistently. But maybe I’m a pessimist and from CA, so my read of things could be off.

  7. 7.

    eclare

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   I just googled, and you are right.  So it could be winnable…I just don’t want to waste millions again by supporting a (great) candidate like McGrath against a pol who will never lose in KY.

    And the House is so important to keep the Jan 6 investigation going, so focus on seats we can win will be so important.

  8. 8.

    docNC

    @WaterGirl:
    787 Dreamliners are assembled in the area as well; there’s a large aerospace footprint in the area.

    “Once known for” in the description above is just bad.

  10. 10.

    cmorenc

    @Tulip:

    Great ad, but no chance she gets elected. It’s up for redistricting and Trump won the state by 6 points

    Trump actually won SC by 12 points, not 6, although the low country area around Charleston is much bluer than the upstate regions of the state (Biden actually carried Charleston and the next coastal county to the north).  But most of that “bluer” region is currently represented by James Clyburn (6th congressional district), except for the immediate Charleston area – and the 6th district was deliberately gerrymandered to create a majority-black district where a black rep (such as Clyburn) could win

    OTOH, the 1st district race was fairly close in 2020, with the D candidate only losing 50.6 to 49.3 percent.  So, it’s potentially winnable by a D if it doesn’t get gerrymandered to be more R.

  11. 11.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @eclare: I donated a fair bit of money to candidates who were long shots, and lost by even larger margins than the polls suggested, including Harrison. My theory was that Harrison would have local coattails like O’Rourke did in TX. It didn’t pan out, but I don’t regret any of it. Maybe it will work next time.

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    @eclare: @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yeah, that’s why I’m on team “resources for early organizing by boots-on-the-ground organizations”.  At least this early in the game… though I’m sure I’ll give to candidates as we get closer.

    On the other hand, at BJ we gave $917,000 to Georgia for 2020 and the Georgia runoffs, and I have no regrets about that!  :-)

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Georgia got basically half the money we raised for the whole 2020+ cycle.

    Balloon Juice for Raphael Warnock, Georgia Senate

    Goal Thermometer

    Balloon Juice for Jon Ossoff, Georgia Senate (including the primaries)

    Goal Thermometer

    Balloon Juice for America Votes – Georgia

    Goal Thermometer

    Balloon Juice for Fair Fight (Stacey Abrams’ ballot access group)

    Goal Thermometer

     

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    @eclare: This year:

    First we did Four Direction – GA, and hopefully that will help Rev. Warnock keep his seat, help keep the senate, help with the GA governor’s race.

    Then we did Four Directions – AZ, and hopefully that will help Keep Mark Kelly, keep the senate and help with AZ governor’s race.

    Check out the next thread for what’s next.

  25. 25.

    raven

    The low country is also home to Garden and Gun Magazine that gave people a stroke here.

     

    Garden & Gun is based in Charleston, South Carolina, and covers art, skeet-shooting, gardens, Southern tradition, and land conservation.[1] The name Garden & Gun is explained as an “inside reference to a popular 1970s Charleston disco called the Garden and Gun Club.”[1] It is also explained as a metaphor for the South’s land, people, lifestyle, and heritage.[5]

  26. 26.

    Ruckus

    Was stationed in Charleston for 2 yrs, 50 yrs ago. Back then it was a nice looking place, if you don’t mind the confederacy and racism. Having said that a lot of the people were very nice but then I look like them so that may have helped. I don’t know if it’s been moved forward in the least in the last 5 decades but it would be nice to help bring it along a bit. Anyone know if the 20th century has ever been seen there? Now that we are a fifth of the way through the 21st….

  27. 27.

    SpaceUnit

    @Ruckus:

    That was my impression of the place as well when I lived there.  Charleston was actually sort of progressive (by SC standards), but get twenty or thirty miles out of town and hoo-boy.  More like 19th century.

    And before anybody flames me – there are some very fine people in South Carolina just as there are in every state.  I am admittedly painting with a very broad brush.

  28. 28.

    WaterGirl

    @eclare: I had answered you in John’s ‘I’m Tired’ thread.  I’ll copy it here.

    Today I am either getting better or I am having a good day, to be followed by something other than good.

    I spent most of the day in bed on Monday and Tuesday.  Today I felt pretty tired by 11 but decided to finish what I was doing instead of taking a nap.  So no nap today, but I will surely head to bed ridiculously early.

    Getting tested on Friday morning, which I feel is long enough with symptoms to show positive, if i am positive.  If I do have Covid, then I would say that the vaccine is kicking its ass, for now at least.

    Thanks for thinking of me.

  31. 31.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @WaterGirl: I’ve heard that the best things to do are these two: 1.) direct donations to campaigns early (so they can build good team, narrative ads etc.) and 2.) donate to groups like FD.  Not sure if there’s much evidence that either is better (for upcoming election, obviously the latter is probably better investment for long term change).

  35. 35.

    Mike in NC

    A couple of years ago we had a pediatrician run against our rotten Trumpie congressman, but the district is severely gerrymandered.

  36. 36.

    Geminid

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That seat was held by Republicans for years, I think decades, before Democrat Cunningham won it in 2018. Mark Sanford held it before, but he was knocked out in the primary by a trump-endorsed tea party lady. Joe Cunningham struck me as a pretty good politician, and he did well to make it so close in 2020. Politically, Mace is like Sanford, and probably is strong among the Chamber of Commerce/Country Club set that still swings a lot of weight in the Republican party.

    Another interesting South Carolina race will be in the Northeast corner of South Carolina, a district that includes Myrtle Beach and Florence. Republican Tom Rice has represented it for several terms, but Rice was one of the 10 Republican Impeachers so there is a big target on his back. South Carolina does not have party registration and primaries are open, so Rice may get bailed out by independents and Democrats. I’d probably come out and vote for him if I lived there.

  39. 39.

    Ruckus

    @SpaceUnit:

    I remember driving out about that distance and going down a road that looked exactly like some Disney TV movie I saw when I was a kid. It was the Swamp Fox, aired 1959-1961.

    Then I saw the truck that they drive down the road with huge round saw blades arranged to basically cut a tunnel through the trees and underbrush growth that would easily block the road on what I’m assuming was a rather short timespan. About the most dangerous looking thing I’ve ever seen.

  41. 41.

    Geminid

    @SpaceUnit: I have only driven through the Lowlands. What strikes me most is how poor the population is. The Piedmont in both Carolinas is economically dynamic, but the Lowlands seem like nothing much has changed there for generations. They might be the poorest region in the East.

  42. 42.

    Phylllis

    @raven: The dear, lovely man who owned and ran the Garden & Gun Club would have had no use for the faux upscale bullshit peddled by that mag rag.

  43. 43.

    Lefthanded compliment

    It may seem a bit old-fashioned, but we could certainly use a pediatrician who makes House calls.

  44. 44.

    SpaceUnit

    @Ruckus:

    I never saw that.  I remember driving  thru some of the Gullah communities along the coast north and south of town.  Literally felt like you’d gone back in time 200 years or more.  Families living in weather-beaten, one-room wooden shacks.

    And as scary as it looked, those were some of the nicest, most generous people I’ve ever met.  They’d give you the shirt off their backs.

  46. 46.

    SpaceUnit

    @Geminid:

    Yeah, I haven’t been back much since I graduated from college in the late eighties, but back then you would see poverty that was just heartbreaking, especially in those off-the-path Gullah communities.

    I’d grown up in Pittsburgh, a town not really known for its splendor, but I hadn’t seen anything like that.

  47. 47.

    VA in SC

    I am 30+ yr. Upstate SC resident from a worldwide military family. When I moved here, into older neighborhood, I was asked by a neighbor, ” Who were my people?” as my lack of a southern accent made me stand out.

    This is the Dark Corner…the tales are worse than many know. It was the inspiration of James Dickey, Deliverance ( names,locations and actual events changed to avoid liability.). There is very weak and uninspired Democratic coordination. But, a few of us are progressive,but outnumbered.

  48. 48.

    SpaceUnit

    @raven:

    Thanks for the tip.  I’m surprised that I never heard of that movie.  Looks really good.

    And by the way, I’ve actually been to the Garden and Gun Club.  It was still going in the eighties.  Wasn’t my usual haunt, but I had friends that liked to go there.  It was a very forward-thinking sort of place for its time, especially in the Deep South.  A mix of every sort of people – black, white, gay, straight – and everybody getting along just fine.

  49. 49.

    Geminid

    @SpaceUnit: There are some more affluent communities up the coast, and I think they provide some jobs for inlanders who can commute. And there are the typical service jobs alomg the Interstates. But I bet the pay is low.

  53. 53.

    SpaceUnit

    @Geminid:

    I remember the cost of living being surprisingly low there.  Taxes, housing, etc.  Don’t know if that’s still the case.

    And yes, there’s affluent areas as well, mostly closer to the shore.  If memory serves, it’s those swampy, overgrown inland areas where you’ll find the worst poverty.

  54. 54.

    prostratedragon

    @SpaceUnit:  Gorgeous movie. Streaming rental at Prime these days, but I see the dvd is out of print. Glad I snatched one up some time ago. The people remind me very much of one side of my family, who however were Piedmonters.

  55. 55.

    Dan B

    @SpaceUnit: Had the same shock when we moved from Akron burbs to NE Arkansas.  In the woods there were shacks with flattened cans and half rotten boards for siding and telephone book pages for wallpaper.  One of the kids in seventh grade had probably never had a bath and reeked.  I don’t believe the people in power thought that anything could be done

    My family was shocked but learned to have blinkers for self protection.

  57. 57.

    Ruckus

    @SpaceUnit:

    In the back country you would see wooden shacks that people lived in with no electricity or running water. The shacks looked very old. I never talked to anyone out there there was no place to stop even if you wanted to. I have no idea how they survived. A real shock even for me, a person that had worked in south central LA. This was poverty all the way at the bottom of the scale.

  59. 59.

    SpaceUnit

    @Ruckus:

    Yeah, I’m not really sure how they got by.  I think they relied on the ‘old ways’ and mostly lived off the land.

    Occasionally you’d see some ladies selling craftwork by the road.  I liked to stop and look at what they had to offer  They were always super nice and friendly, and their weaving skills were next-level.  I still have a pair of baskets that would take your breath away.

  60. 60.

    lowtechcyclist

    @SpaceUnit: ​
     

    I lived in and around Charleston back in the 80’s, and the food doesn’t get nearly the credit it deserves.

    My wife and I always loved it when there was a math conference in Charleston, because the food there was awesome.

  61. 61.

    Felanius Kootea

    @SpaceUnit: ​
      Beautiful movie by Julie Dash. I visited Beaufort South Carolina for the Gullah Festival when I was a graduate student because I’d watched Daughters of the Dust years before and wanted to learn more about the Gullah. The festival had gorgeous woven sweetgrass baskets that I was too poor to afford. Also discovered Oyotunji, South Carolina (I went to school in Oyo in Nigeria – Oyotunji means Oyo has arisen again).

  62. 62.

    Woodrow/asim

    @VA in SC: Hi! I’ve lived a good chunk of my life here in Upstate SC. At least in the cities, it’s getting better — Greenville SC has a Democratic-controlled Council for the first time in forever, for one. As someone who’s spent too much time outside the cities…yeah. It’s not fun, sometimes — but, at least for the Black folx I know, they survive and even sometimes thrive.

    I’ve never heard that Deliverance was based in the Upstate. That sounds odd to my understanding: Dickey didn’t start living in SC until the year before he published the novel, and he was in Columbia, not the Upstate, as a professor for USC. He was born/raised in Georgia, where the novel is based, so it would be a bit weird, at least from what little I know, for him to make that choice.

  64. 64.

    Woodrow/asim

    @raven: I’ll take the overall correction, even if I think the culture of most of the Upstate of SC is pretty separate from that aligned to the area in question.

  65. 65.

    Ang

    Charleston, SC here.  As much as SC is a godawful republican hellhole, our area is less batshit than a lot of the state.  Cunningham got lucky in that he was running against a tea party loon who was utterly incompetent and thought she deserved the seat to be handed to her on a silver platter.  (Seriously – the idiot ran a grievance tour that largely blamed Sanford, whom she primaried out, for not supporting her and therefore it was his fault she lost.)  Cunningham was also good for his two years in the House, and only barely lost to Mace (49.4% to 50.6%).  I want to hope that Dr. Andrews has a chance.

    Her attacks on Mace are 100% accurate, especially the line about her being “more interested in being famous than effective.”  The woman loooooves a camera, and will dance for the local news any chance she gets, with opinions on anything and everything, whether it’s appropriate for her to comment on or not.

    Oh, and in 2020, Mace run on being the first woman to graduate from the Citadel, and on her daddy being a general, or some such military family ties that I’d rather forget.  Cunningham pulled a hold my beer moment and got freaking George Patton’s grandson to cut an ad for him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqnWdrm6Z3o

  66. 66.

    Miss Bianca

    @raven: I  didn’t have a stroke about G & G. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’m going to try to do a rip-off of its style for a “lifestyle” supplement for my hometown paper.

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