Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”

All hail the time of the bunny!

Well, whatever it is, it’s better than being a Republican.

We still have time to mess this up!

We can show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

White supremacy is terrorism.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

You passed on an opportunity to be offended? What are you even doing here?

Innocent people do not delay justice.

Republican also-rans: four mules fighting over a turnip.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.

Republicans cannot even be trusted with their own money.

There are times when telling just part of the truth is effectively a lie.

Just because you believe it, that does not make it true.

President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

Shut up, hissy kitty!

We do not need to pander to people who do not like what we stand for.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Also, are you sure you want people to rate your comments?

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

This chaos was totally avoidable.

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COVID-19 Coronavirus Updates: Saturday / Sunday, Nov. 13-14

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‘Checkies’ = ‘blue check’, verified twitter users who pay (or whose employers pay for them) to be ‘certified’ as authentic. Our Media Betters are, once again, bored with this pandemic…

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I’d say this was the dumbest timeline, but then an even dumber one will emerge…

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  1. 1.

    NeenerNeener

    Monroe County, NY:

    The Monroe County website takes the weekend off, although with case counts like this I wish they wouldn’t; the NYSDOH says 480 new cases.

  2. 2.

    Amir Khalid

    Malaysia’s Ministry of Health reports 5,162 new Covid-19 cases today in its media statement, for a cumulative reported total of 2,546,309 cases. It also reports 55 deaths as of midnight, for an adjusted cumulative total of 29,631 deaths – 1.16% of the cumulative reported total, 1.19% of resolved cases.

    Based on cases reported yesterday, Malaysia’s nationwide Rt is at 1.04.

    486 confirmed cases are in ICU, 197 of them on ventilators. Meanwhile, 5,019 more patients have recovered, for a cumulative total of 2,451,216 patients recovered – 96.3% of the cumulative reported total.

    No new clusters were reported today, for a cumulative total of 5,840 clusters. 265 clusters are currently active; 5,574 clusters are now inactive.

    5,151 new cases today are local infections. 11 new cases today are imported.

    The National Covid-19 Immunisation Programme (PICK) administered 55,703 doses of vaccine on 13th November: 3,203 first doses, 14,875 second doses, and 37,625 booster doses. As of midnight, the cumulative total is 51,138,954 doses administered: 25,593,015 first doses, 24,791,677 second doses, and 938,437 booster doses. 78.4% of the population have received their first dose, while 75.9% are now fully vaccinated.

  3. 3.

    YY_Sima Qian

    On 11/13 China reported 70 new domestic confirmed (none previously asymptomatic) & 8 new domestic asymptomatic cases.

    Ejina Banner in Alxa League, Inner Mongolia “Autonomous” Region did not report any new domestic positive cases. 8 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 18 active domestic confirmed cases remaining.

    At Xi’an in Shaanxi Province 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 8 active domestic confirmed cases in the city.

    Ningxia “Autonomous” Region did not report any new domestic positive cases. 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 31 active domestic confirmed cases in the region (23 at Yinchuan & 7 at Wuzhong).

    Gansu Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. 6 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 95 active domestic confirmed & 1 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • At Lanzhou 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 58 active domestic confirmed cases remaining in the city.
    • At Tianshui 2 domestic positive cases recovered. There currently are 31 active domestic confirmed cases in the city. 1 community, 1 residential compound & 1 village remain at Medium Risk.
    • 3 domestic confirmed cases recovered in the rest of the province, 6 active domestic confirmed cases remain (3 at Zhangye & 3 at Jiayuguan).

    Hebei Province reported 3 new domestic confirmed cases. There currently are 121 active confirmed & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Shijiazhuang did not reported any new domestic confirmed cases. There currently are 57 active domestic confirmed (20 mild & 37 moderate) & 3 active domestic asymptomatic cases remaining in the city. 1 village remains at High Risk & 1 village remains at Medium Risk.
    • Xinji reported 3 new domestic confirmed cases, all traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine. There currently are 64 active domestic confirmed cases (39 mild & 25 moderate) remaining in the city. 1 zone remains at High Risk.

    At Hunan Province 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 2 active domestic confirmed (at Changsha) & 1 active domestic asymptomatic (at Zhuzhou) cases remaining in the province.

    At Zunyi in Guizhou Province 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There currently are 2 active domestic confirmed cases (1 moderate & 1 serious) remaining in the city. 2 residential compounds remain at Medium Risk.

    Jilin City in Jilin Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 1 active domestic & 1 active domestic asymptomatic cases remaining.

    Beijing Municipality did not report any new domestic positive cases. 2 communities & 1 residential compound are currently at Medium Risk.

    At Rizhao in Shandong Province there currently are 13 active domestic confirmed & 6 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 residential compound is currently at Medium Risk.

    Sichuan Province reported 1 new domestic confirmed case. There currently are 27 active domestic confirmed cases in the province.

    • Chengdu reported 1 new domestic confirmed case, a traced close contact already under centralized quarantine since 11/7. There currently are 26 active domestic confirmed remaining in the city. 1 residential compound is currently at High Risk. 12 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.
    • At Zigong there currently is 1 active domestic confirmed case remaining.

    Chongqing Municipality did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 6 active domestic confirmed & 4 active domestic asymptomatic cases remaining. 2 residential compounds & 1 office building are currently at Medium Risk.

    At Changzhou in Jiangsu Province there currently are 3 active domestic confirmed cases remaining. 3 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.

    At Xining in Qinghai Province there currently is 11 active domestic confirmed case remaining.

    Heilongjiang Province reported 2 new domestic confirmed cases. 9 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 250 active domestic confirmed & 2 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Heihe reported 2 new domestic confirmed cases, both traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine. 9 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 244 active domestic confirmed cases in the city, all at Aihui District. 2 residential compounds & 1 village are currently at High Risk. 15 residential compounds, 1 residential building & 2 villages are currently at Medium Risk.
    • At Harbin here currently are 6 active domestic confirmed & 2 active domestic asymptomatic cases remaining in the city. 4 residential compounds are currently at Medium Risk.

    Shangrao in Jiangxi Province reported 2 new domestic confirmed (both moderate) & 7 new domestic asymptomatic cases, all are traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine. There currently are 16 active domestic confirmed & 49 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 township & 2 residential compounds are currently Medium Risk.

    At Zhejiang Province there currently are 1 active domestic confirmed (at Jiaxing) & 1 active domestic asymptomatic (at Hangzhou) cases remaining.

    Henan Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 71 active domestic confirmed & 2 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.

    • Zhengzhou did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 55 active domestic confirmed (51 from the current outbreak, 4 from the previous outbreak in Aug. who were transferred from Shangqiu). 30 elementary & middle school students are among the confirmed cases. 3 communities, 1 residential compound & 3 villages are currently at Medium Risk.
    • Zhoukou did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 16 active domestic confirmed & 2 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 community is currently at Medium Risk.

    Dalian in Liaoning Province reported 60 new domestic confirmed cases (56 mild & 4 moderate), 58 are traced close contacts already under centralized quarantine & 2 from mass screening, 4 are schoolchildren & 26 are university students on the campus w/ an outbreak. There currently are 235 active domestic confirmed & 54 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the city. 1 community was elevated to High Risk. 2 communities are currently at High Risk. 10 residential compounds, 12 residential buildings & 9 villages are currently at Medium Risk.

    Dehong Prefecture in Yunnan Province reported 2 new domestic confirmed & 1 new domestic asymptomatic cases (all at Ruili, 2 via screening of border villagers under movement restrictions & 1 from screening of persons under centralized quarantine). 1 domestic asymptomatic cases were released from isolation. There currently are 26 active domestic confirmed & 31 active domestic asymptomatic cases at the prefecture. 1 village at Yingjiang County was elevated to Medium Risk. 2 zones & 2 villages at Ruili, plus a village at Yingjiang County are currently at Medium Risk.

    Imported Cases

    On 11/13, China reported 19 new imported confirmed cases (2 previously asymptomatic), 17 imported asymptomatic cases:

    • Shanghai Municipality – 5 confirmed cases, 2 Chinese nationals returning from Israel & 1 from Papua New Guinea (via Australia), a German national coming from Germany, & a Lithuanian national coming from Lithuania (via Copenhagen)
    • Tianjin Municipality – 5 confirmed cases, 1 Chinese national each returning from Italy, Poland, the DRC (via Paris CdG), Ghana (via Paris CdG) & Niger (via Paris CdG)
    • Yunnan Province (location not specified) – 2 confirmed cases, both Chinese nationals returning from Myanmar, via land border crossings
    • Chengdu in Sichuan Province – 2 confirmed cases (1 previously asymptomatic), 1 Chinese national each returning from Egypt & Singapore; 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national coming from Egypt
    • Qingdao in Shandong Province – 2 confirmed cases, both Burmese crew members off a cargo ship w/ last port of call in South Korea 
    • Yantai in Shandong Province – 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from Japan
    • Guangxi “Autonomous” Region (location not specified) – 1 confirmed & 1 asymptomatic cases, no information released
    • Guangzhou in Guangdong Province – 1 confirmed case, a Chinese national returning from the DRC (via Istanbul); 5 asymptomatic cases, 2 Chinese nationals returning from Benin (via Istanbul) & 1 each from Ecuador (via Amsterdam Schiphol), Guinea (via Istanbul) & Saudi Arabia
    • Shenzhen in Guangdong Province – 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from the US
    • Dongguan in Guangdong Province – 1 asymptomatic case, coming from Singapore, off a flight that landed at Guangzhou
    • Shenyang in Liaoning Province – 1 confirmed case (previously asymptomatic), no information released
    • Hangzhou in Zhejiang Province – 6 asymptomatic case, 4 coming from Russia & 1 each from Morocco & Tanzania
    • Jiangsu Province (location not specified) – 1 asymptomatic case, no information released 

    Overall in China, 48 confirmed cases recovered (18 imported), 9 asymptomatic cases were released from isolation (8 imported) & 2 were reclassified as confirmed cases (both imported), & 3,503 individuals were released from quarantine. Currently, there are 1,350 active confirmed cases in the country (381 imported), 19 in serious condition (2 imported), 532 active asymptomatic cases (366 imported), 2 suspect cases (both imported). 47,046 traced contacts are currently under centralized quarantine.

    As of 11/13, 2,382.133M vaccine doses have been injected in Mainland China, an increase of 9.42M doses in the past 24 hrs.

    On 11/14, Hong Kong reported 1 new positive case, imported (a cargo flight crew returning from Germany).

  5. 5.

    NotMax

    Locally,

    A COVID-19 cluster on Kauai involving at least 36 cases has been traced to a church in Nawiliwili.

    The state Department of Health reported today that the cluster associated with King’s Chapel will likely grow, after increasing from 16 known cases Monday.

    “We only identified the cluster a week ago and cases are still trickling in, so … we expect it to keep growing,” Dr. Janet Berreman, district health officer for the Kauai District Health Office, told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

    The ages of those infected range from 2 to over 60, DOH said. Four of the cases involved people who had contact with recently infected churchgoers.
    [snip]
    The chapel is part of the King’s Cathedral and Chapels group, which was linked in March to a cluster of at least 55 COVID-19 cases at its Maui location. At the time, the group had rejected the state’s advice to halt in-person services while the coronavirus cluster was active. Source

    For those who may not know, King’s is a rabidly right wing fundamentalist church organization.

  7. 7.

    Ken

    @NotMax: King’s is a rabidly right wing fundamentalist church

    I’d kind of guessed from the refusal to follow health guidelines.  Also the name “King’s Cathedral and Chapel group” sounds like it should have an “LLC” after it, and I’d bet it’s run like it does.

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Steve Redmond
    @sjredmond
    Dear Anti-Vaxxers:

    Please don’t fall for the old Borax trick. If you really want to be rid of the vaccine from your body, Venmo me $1,000 and I will not only heal you, but I will also send you a really official looking certificate saying you are a certified Anti-Vaxxer.

    Also, don’t fall for those knock-off $998 solutions. Only my solution actually turns you back into a certified Anti-Vaxxer. Operators are standing by…

    If you act right now, i’ll also send you a key to download “The Worst of Eric Clapton and Travis Tritt”. Don’t wait..this is a limited time offer.

    But that’s not all, order in the next 15 minutes and I’ll send you your very own Dr. Fauci dart board.

    As an added bonus, with every order sent out today, we’ll also include a 25% off coupon at Trump funeral homes. If you can’t use it for yourself, give it to a loved one you previously infected.

    But wait!! There’s more!

  10. 10.

    New Deal democrat

    Limited and noisy data today, as many States continue to take weekends and holidays off from reporting. But the news is really discouraging.

    Cases have increased to back over 80,000 in the past two days. Deaths have leveled off at about 1150.

    Even worse, the trend in vaccinations is awful. After several weeks of young kids getting first shots and eligibles getting boosters, new vaccinations fell off sharply even before the Veterans Day holiday, down to 1.2 million a day from 1.4 million in the previous two weeks. As Delta really took hold in August, new vaccinations rose to over 480,000/day. Now they are back down to 200,000/day.

    Over 100,000,000 people in the US still haven’t even had one shot. Probably 60,000,000 of them have not been infected yet and are still sitting ducks for this winter’s wave.

  11. 11.

    Ken

    @OzarkHillbilly: See, your reaction is much healthier than mine, which is to imagine a press conference in six months where the reporters are asking Psaki what the FBI is doing about the so-called “Influencer Serial Killer”. And she replies, “We’re doing our own research on that.”

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    The Netherlands is doing their 3 week light lockdown even though 85 percent of adults are fully vaccinated.

    I was listening to a podcast where a guy talks about getting Covid after watching the movie Dune at an IMAX screening. He was not hospitalized, but felt bad for a few days. He had been fully vaccinated, but no booster. This guy is in his 30s without any other health issues.

    Because of projection problems at an earlier screenings, the showing of Dune ended up being packed, without spacing between seats. Also, the theater stopped checking vaccination cards. Most people were wearing masks.

    I think that even if we had 90 plus percent vaccination rates, surges would still happen and there will not be any simple return to normal. However, vaccination will help ensure that the pandemic will be manageable.

    I hope that the CDC and other agencies are looking for other ways to help mitigate the impact of the virus.

  15. 15.

    Butter Emails

    The big issue isn’t so much that they’ll use these detox methods on themselves as they’ll use it on their children and other dependents. It’s all fun and games imagining the idiots using these methods on themselves, it’s a whole different kettle of fish when it’s grandma or an 8 year child whose arms their mutilating before tossing wide-eyed into a Borax bath.

  16. 16.

    Van Buren

    @New Deal democrat: I teach 4th grade in NYC, they are offering $100 to families that vaccinate their kids, and 1 out of my 17 students is vaxxed. I have officially given up hope that I will ever see a post COVID world.

  18. 18.

    lowtechcyclist

    @germy: ​

    One needs the mathematics of infinitesimals to measure the depth of my sympathy for this guy. So for any of my fellow geeks, I’ll briefly shift to that language. The rest of you can skip on by the next line:

    Sympathy < ɛ for every ɛ > 0.

    @NotMax: ​

    For those who may not know, King’s is a rabidly right wing fundamentalist church organization.

    It wasn’t gonna be hard to guess.

  19. 19.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @WaterGirl: Getting rid of the catheter makes for a huge improvement. As far as everything else, I heal pretty quickly and have a high pain threshold, which can be either a blessing or a curse. Usually both.

    At PT the other day the therapist found I am already well beyond base line, and I hadn’t done a damn thing to get there. PT may not be anywhere near as bad as I feared.

  21. 21.

    dr. bloor

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Getting rid of the catheter makes for a huge improvement.

    Can the peanut gallery submit nominations for rotating tags?

    Glad to hear you’re on the mend.

  24. 24.

    New Deal democrat

    @Van Buren:

    At times like this, I ruefully root for a SuperDelta wave that infects half a million people a day for two months and gets it over with, so that all of the antivaxxers have some resistance and the rest of us can get on with normality in an endemic COVID world. < sigh >

  25. 25.

    Patricia Kayden

    This should be the talk of all Sunday political shows.

    New documents show Trump Admin silenced CDC at start of pandemic, tried to alter expert scientific reports, and then tried to delete evidence they were doing so. We were the most prepared nation in the world but now more than 750,000 Americans have died. t.co/6OOMMy78Wn— Ian Bassin (@ianbassin) November 13, 2021

  26. 26.

    Ramalama

    I think this is a really good time for local businesses that make lotions to target these Borax bath takers. “Got flakey Borax-y skin problems? Our natural bee-balm mayonnaise spread will make you feel like you’ve never taken a jab in your life.” My bro runs such a shop in Madison, WI but so far has not returned my calls, so this idea is for anyone.

    I wonder why I got kicked out of the Covid survivors forum on facebook.

  28. 28.

    Scout211

    SNL’s cold open last night covered all the big stories, including the new cure for vaccines, Borax, and also had Joe Rogan, among other good parodies. The entire segment was Ted Cruz hosting his version of Sesame Street, Cruz Street.

  29. 29.

    NorthLeft12

    @Ramalama: Should be, but I suspect the panels will be too busy ruminating about Biden’s sinking poll numbers, inflation, and why the economy is not doing better…..spoiler alert, the economy is improving every month.

  31. 31.

    Another Scott

    @Brachiator: It seems very “light” indeed.

     France 24:

    Bars, restaurants, cafes and supermarkets will have to shut at 8:00 pm for the next three weeks from Saturday, while non-essential shops must shut at 6:00 pm, the Dutch government said.

    People will be limited to having four visitors at home and have been advised to work at home unless absolutely necessary.

    The story says that they had lifted “all” Covid restrictions in late September.

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  35. 35.

    Sloane Ranger

    Saturday in the UK we had 38,351 new cases. The rolling 7-day average is down by 0.4%. Weekend figures, however, are notoriously inaccurate due to most offices being closed over the weekend and Wales not reporting at all on Saturdays. New reported cases by nation,

    England – 33,493 (up 338)

    Northern Ireland – 1896 (up 219)

    Scotland – 3052 (down 297)

    Wales – Does not report on Saturdays.

    Deaths – There were 157 deaths within 28 days of a positive test yesterday. The rolling 7-day average is down by 7.9%. 141 deaths were in England, 3 in Northern Ireland, 13 in Scotland and Wales did not report (Saturday).

    Testing – Not updated on weekends.

    Hospitalisations – Not updated on weekends.

    Vaccinations – As of Friday, 12 November, 50,525,259 people had had 1 shot of a vaccine, 45,985,795 had had 2 and 12,164,586 had had a 3rd shot/booster. In percentage terms this means that 87.9% of all people in the UK aged 12+ had had 1 shot as of that date, 80% had had 2 and 21.2% had had a 3rd shot/booster.

  37. 37.

    Scout211

    This story is from a few days ago, so I don’t know whether it has been posted yet, but it is worth repeating.

    Did you see that viral video of the woman on a plane being abusing and disruptive?  You know, the one where the vaccinated woman was being abusive toward an unvaccinated person and the flight staff?  Well, if this doesn’t sound right to you, it’s because the whole thing was staged and professionally produced, using actors.

     

    Washington (CNN)A video of a maskless woman having a tantrum on an airplane — threatening to call the police because she is being forced to sit next to a man she presumes is unvaccinated — has gone extraordinarily viral on social media.
    One TikTok post of the video, which was filmed from the perspective of a seated plane passenger, had more than 35 million views as of Friday. One Facebook post had more than 24 million views. Posts on Twitter and YouTube generated at least hundreds of thousands of additional views.
    The comments on these social media posts show that a significant number of viewers believe the video depicts a real-life incident, like the anti-mask plane tantrums that have gone viral during the pandemic. And some conservatives have deployed this new video for political purposes, using it to make a point about out-of-control, irrational or hypocritical vaccinated people.
    Facts First: The viral video is a staged scene from a professional film. The tantrum-throwing woman is an actor, as is the supposed pilot who challenges her at the end of the video. The video was produced by a man known as Prince Ea, an entertainer and creator of online content who has a history of using authentic-sounding titles about hot-button social issues to get people to watch his scripted footage.

  38. 38.

    RaflW

    (JTA Nov. 14 2021) — Israel’s government reached an agreement with the pharmaceutical company Pfizer to purchase tens of thousands of doses of the company’s new anti-viral treatment for COVID. The news was first reported by Israel’s Channel 12 news station, according to The Times of Israel.

    The doses, which are administered in pill form, will be shipped to Israel after the drug is approved by the Food and Drug Administration in the United States. Pfizer’s trials showed the drug to be highly effective in reducing the chance of hospitalization or death in unvaccinated people infected with the coronavirus. The pills could be approved by the agency before the end of 2021. The United States has also purchased millions of doses of the drug. …

    “If the drug is approved for use it will be another significant tool in managing the pandemic, together with vaccines for everyone and accessible tests for everyone, all the time,” P.M. Bennet said in a cabinet meeting Nov. 7 [emphasis added]

    I haven’t done much reading about the Pfizer & Merck treatments, but I hope that this after-infection option combined with (too slow but rising) vaccination & boosters will mean that we can find a level of ‘truce’ with the pandemic.

    That said, I am envious of the Dutch. They have some right wing pushback, but the relative social cohesion that allows something like their modest dial-back (I’d refrain from calling it lockdown lite, personally) to be set in motion without triggering a red-state melt down flip out.

  39. 39.

    Soprano2

    I know it’s not popular here to say things like this, but what Leonardt is asking is not an unreasonable question. We are not going to have “forever masks” in the US no matter how much some people would like that. We have to learn to live with Covid in the world, because zero Covid isn’t happening either.

  40. 40.

    RaflW

    @Soprano2: I’d more or less agree. Covid is not going to ‘magically disappear’ like our previous moron preznit suggested. It seems incredibly unlikely that it will recede like the 1918 Influenza.

    I think what the pushback against Leonhardt is about is how we strategize the new normal, and how quickly. There are forces for just saying “it’s over” but that has a high cost, and who pays is very unequal.

    Our society is quite frayed, but it really is just about 15% of the country that is unable to cope. We shouldn’t coddle them to make it all seem normal again.

  41. 41.

    mrmoshpotato

    I’d say this was the dumbest timeline, but then an even dumber one will emerge…

    Well that’s reassuring! /s

    I hope these anti-vaxxer idiots are walking the entire walk and never seeing a doctor again or taking any OTC medicine ever again. Not even aspirin.

  44. 44.

    Bill Arnold

    @NotMax:

    For those who may not know, King’s is a rabidly right wing fundamentalist church organization.

    AKA a “Homicide Cult”.

  49. 49.

    Ruckus

    @RaflW:

    Covid is not going to ‘magically disappear’ like our previous moron preznit suggested. It seems incredibly unlikely that it will recede like the 1918 Influenza.

    In 1918 there were far fewer people in the US, approximately 2/3 fewer. And yet the number of deaths per population density was almost 3 times higher. There are a lot of reasons for that but a couple are communications and medical innovation-science. Of course there is still the same old human factor, which we still see today – “I am stronger than any old bacteria/virus/disease.” And “You can’t make me!”

  50. 50.

    Soprano2

    @RaflW: I think the time to start talking about how to live with and manage Covid long-term is now. Mocking people for saying they’re tired of the pandemic is dumb – do you know anyone who isn’t sick to death of it? There’s an article on the front page of our paper today saying it may take a year or more for this area to get to 70% vaxxed – or that it may never happen! (Thanks,TFG!!) I’m vaccinated, I’m not living like I’m not forever.

  51. 51.

    PaulB

    @Soprano2

    We have to learn to live with Covid in the world, because zero Covid isn’t happening either.

    I’ll ask you the same thing I’d ask him: how many hospitalizations, cases of long Covid, and deaths a year are you prepared to accept? Without those numbers, any discussion of “managing Covid” is a waste of time.

  52. 52.

    dr. bloor

    @PaulB: ​
     

    Are you being pedantic here, or are we to assume that yours are “zero” across the board? Because it’s not happening anytime soon, if ever, and my own experience is that trying to find common ground with absolutists is equally as wasteful of my time.

  53. 53.

    Peale

    @dr. bloor: I’ll make the opening bid at 25,000 national cases per day (about 1/3 our current level). If our current levels are going to be the new normal, I want to discuss how many hospital wards were are going to build and how to staff them. I don’t think its going to work to have an industry that is 1/6th of the economy shutting down on a seasonal basis to deal with COVID. If this is the new normal there is a greater supply chain issue than home depot being short on laminate floors for a few months.

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