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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Sunday Morning Open Thread: Celebrate the Holidays

Sunday Morning Open Thread: Celebrate the Holidays

by Anne Laurie|  December 5, 20218:23 am| 153 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Readership Capture

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?? Last night, @BarackObama and @MichelleObama surprised patients at the @ComerChildrens Hospital.

The reactions on the kids and parents faces were absolutely priceless. #ObamaAndKids ?? pic.twitter.com/PHQOqwjtaP

— Merone (@Merone) December 4, 2021

Nearly 6 million million new jobs since President @JoeBiden and I took office.

While there’s more work to be done, we are making tremendous strides to build our country back better than before.

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) December 4, 2021

“America is back to work and our jobs recovery is going strong.” -President Biden pic.twitter.com/RL99Reu2W2

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 4, 2021

The People’s House is officially set for the holiday season. pic.twitter.com/puRut8T4r0

— President Biden (@POTUS) December 4, 2021

trillions of dollars in remaking the conception of the social safety net and free vaccines for everyone. low unemployment and a rip shit stock market. i find it best not to lie but everybody is different. https://t.co/lat3bnBwkF

— World Famous Art Thief (@CalmSporting) December 4, 2021

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153Comments

  1. 1.

    Scout211

    December 5, 2021 at 8:28 am

    That first tweet. Oh my. It made me tear up, in a good way. The Obamas are such good people.

  2. 2.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 8:35 am

    For a building filled to the brim with people, I don’t think there is a lonelier place in the world than a children’s hospital.

  3. 3.

    JPL

    December 5, 2021 at 8:42 am

    @Scout211: Same.   With so much ugliness around us, it’s refreshing to remember that good exists.

  4. 4.

    Biff Baxter

    December 5, 2021 at 8:47 am

    Meanwhile, the price of gas has fallen 5 cents a gallon by me in the last few days.

  5. 5.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 8:51 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Nothing sadder also. None of them should have to be there.

  6. 6.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    December 5, 2021 at 9:00 am

    My power just flickered in and out. I don’t like it.

  7. 7.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 9:11 am

    Don’t try this at home folks:

    A homeowner in Maryland tried to fight a snake infestation with coal, only to burn their own house down, causing more than $1m in damage. Nobody was injured.

    Montgomery county fire and rescue officials notified the public about the blaze right after it happened on 23 November, describing a conflagration that left a “large two-three-story single family house with heavy fire throughout structure and roof collapse”. About 75 firefighters responded. Conditions were “dark and cold” – around -4C (25F) – as they battled the flames.

    More than a week later, the department’s public information officer revealed more details. The cause was “accidental”, they said, specifically the “homeowner using smoke to manage snake infestation”. Authorities believe the chosen heat source for the attempted serpent eradication was coals, which were located “too close to combustibles”. The fire’s area of origin was described as “basement, walls/floor”.

    I keep Miss Kitty around for snakes myself. She complains a lot but I don’t have to worry about the house. I think.

  8. 8.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 9:23 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Another attack on the coal industry!!! ?

  9. 9.

    Ohio Mom

    December 5, 2021 at 9:27 am

    A White House video of the holiday decorations without an impervious, over made-up scowling woman slinking through the halls in her stilettos, front and center. What a nice change (not to mention the improvement in tne decor).

  10. 10.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 9:29 am

    @Ohio Mom:

    I think I remember noting that she was wearing gloves while striding down that hallway. Reminded me a bit of Dr. Strangelove. Why gloves inside? Inquiring minds and all…

  11. 11.

    The Oracle of Solace

    December 5, 2021 at 9:40 am

    @Ohio Mom: You know, when I slink through halls in my stilettos, I’m always smiling, because I have the spirit of Christmas in me every day. No, not Christmas—Halloween. Still, I smile.

  12. 12.

    zhena gogolia

    December 5, 2021 at 9:44 am

    @Ohio Mom: MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

  13. 13.

    zhena gogolia

    December 5, 2021 at 9:45 am

    @The Oracle of Solace: In the immortal words of Melatonin, “Who gives a fuck about Christmas?”

  14. 14.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 9:49 am

    @debbie:

    Yep, she is, red gloves to match those red trees (and also a small handbag) and then elbow-length black gloves when inspecting those white trees.

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 9:53 am

    @zhena gogolia: On that topic, she and I agree.

    @debbie: I always wear gloves when I’m inside. Fingerprints doncha know.

  16. 16.

    Ohio Mom

    December 5, 2021 at 9:55 am

    @debbie: She was always bundled up, IIRC, one year it was a big fuzzy white sweater, then there was her signature look, coat hanging off her shoulders.

    Are we to believe the White House is that chilly? I wanted to yell through the screen, Just turn up the thermostat, it’s on me! (as a taxpayer).

    The Biden’s know it isn’t all about them. Funny that a video of empty rooms conveys no loneliness, which TFGal’s solo videos always did for me.

  17. 17.

    Joe Falco

    December 5, 2021 at 9:59 am

    @Ohio Mom:

    Are we to believe the White House is that chilly? I wanted to yell through the screen, Just turn up the thermostat, it’s on me! (as a taxpayer).

    We should remember Jimmy Carter’s example and put on a nice thick sweater.

  18. 18.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 9:59 am

    @debbie: I think Roald Dahl’s Witches is more apt.

  19. 19.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 5, 2021 at 10:05 am

    Ragnarok Lobster @eclecticbrotha ·24m
    A @DougJBalloon tweet is hosting Meet The Press.

    Raw Story@RawStory · 38m
    Chuck Todd blames Democrats for GOP anti-vaxxers: ‘They’ve allowed the right to dictate the messaging’

  20. 20.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 10:08 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: And Chuck is absolutely innocent of any contribution to that sin.

  21. 21.

    trnc

    December 5, 2021 at 10:23 am

    Chuck Todd blames Democrats for GOP anti-vaxxers: ‘They’ve allowed the right to dictate the messaging’

    This would be the same Chuck Todd that doesn’t believe the media has any business fact checking claims?

  22. 22.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 5, 2021 at 10:24 am

    here’s a (sort of) pep talk from Dan Pfeiffer, for my money the smartest of the O’Bros

    The Dangers of the Democratic Doom Loop
    Democratic pessimism is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy by demobilizing our voters and volunteers.
    Despite controlling the House, Senate, and White House for the first time in a dozen years and being on the cusp of passing historic legislation, Democrats are in a sour mood. I get it. The pandemic rages on, the Republicans are getting worse, and Trump lurks in the background. A few months ago, we thought we saw the light at the end of the tunnel, but it was just another oncoming train as the nation appears to careen from crisis to crisis. Like everyone else, I am so sick of talking, tweeting, and thinking about Joe Fricking Manchin. Never before in American history has someone so uninteresting held the nation’s attention for so long.

    When Pod Save America sent out a call for questions for our annual Thanksgiving Mail Bag Episode, the hottest topic was some version of “are we doomed?” The impulse to expect the worst is certainly understandable after a brutal 2021, but it is also the fastest way to guarantee an even worse 2022. To have any chance to hold or expand our majorities in 2022, we must resist the Democratic doom loop.

  23. 23.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 10:26 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Literally only Democrats have agency. Republican and media behavior is just “nature at work”.

  24. 24.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 10:28 am

    Speaking of celebrating the holidays, I presume you’ve all seen Rep. Thomas Massie’s (R-KY) tasteful family Christmas card?

    Astute observation:

    I mean look, regardless of where you stand politically, everyone with a functioning brain deep down knows that if Omar posed for a picture with her family packing heat like the Massies, it’d be the end of her career, the Democratic Party, and probably both Minnesota and Somalia.

    — Starfish Who Just Wants To Grill (@IRHotTakes) December 4, 2021

  25. 25.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 5, 2021 at 10:30 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My understanding is that because of extreme gerrymandering it is literally impossible for us to hold the House in 2022 even if we were to get stellar turnout and a landslide vote majority. No amount of enthusiasm will do that.

  26. 26.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 10:35 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t remember who, but someone tweeting about discouraged Democrats pointed out the while Black Democrats have been fighting fascism for generations and never given up, “some of y’all white people are all tuckered out after four years.”

  27. 27.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 5, 2021 at 10:37 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My so called liberal governor says:

    “Our hospitals are now filled, largely with unvaccinated Coloradans, many of whom are victims of misinformation campaigns and targeted lies that are being spread about the lifesaving vaccine.”

    The. Unvaccinated. Are. The. Victims.

    Which is why his hands are tied, can’t do a thing about those poor victims spreading disease and misinformation.

  28. 28.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 10:38 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Redistricting isn’t even complete, and I’ve read that Democratic gerrymandering has limited the damage. And the talking heads believed that the House was so gerrymandered in 2006 and 2018 that Democrats wouldn’t be able to win, but they still managed it.

    Saying it’s impossible is nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophesy.

  29. 29.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 10:41 am

    @Sure Lurkalot: They are victims. But they’re also perpetrators. I think painting them as pathetic victims of an evil propaganda campaign is probably better than buying into the framing that they’re casualties in the war for freedumb.

  30. 30.

    RaflW

    December 5, 2021 at 10:46 am

    I’m in a funk. After skipping hosting my 17th annual Swedish-themed holiday party (thrown in conjunction with my birthday, and to honor my departed mom who always had a big buffet party of fabulous Swedish food on Christmas eve – then got up and whipped up a full American, turkey based Xmas dad for dad’s side of the cultural ‘divide’) last December due to the f–ing ‘rona, we inquired with friends and decided to throw a half-size, no kids, vax’d only party this year.

    After all the shopping, cleaning, and just starting to lay out the food, my partner gets a text from a fellow musician in their six-member Celtic fiddle group. She became symptomatic two hours after the rehearsal Fri night, tested positive at a rapid test site yesterday afternoon, and was texting the group.

    We called a Dr. friend who was on our guest list. He isn’t our doc, so he was measured in giving us info (he said if we didn’t cancel he’d still attend, so there was that) but we felt given the ages and various family connections they have, we cancelled less than an hour to start time.

    Damn. It.

    Fortunately the vac-sealed cured ham is good till Feb 22nd. Googling says resoundingly that our Costco cheesecake will freeze well. The Swedish meatballs (or their simulacrum, as IKEA was wiped out) hadn’t yet been defrosted. Cheeses will mostly keep, and oh, hey shoveling pumpkin pie into our emptiness last night did provide some emotional easing.

    BF is likely fine. Both he and the now mildly-ill person were masked (BF and I are FFP2ers, most others still do fabric or basic surgical). But blerghety blerghy! We’re semi-quaranting from each other till I (hopefully) fly to Colorado this coming Wednesday.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    December 5, 2021 at 10:48 am

    @trnc:

    I expect them to get worse.

    Margaret Sullivan
    @Sulliview
    It’s not just
    @Milbank
    ’s *opinion* … He’s got the numbers

    Overwhelmingly, ridiculously negative coverage of Biden. It’s the Clnton email coverage all over again and when the Clinton email coverage was shown to be ridiculous they got defensive, denied and doubled down. If Biden manages to overcome this giant thumb they’ve put on the scale he’s a miracle worker.
    The economic coverage is ludicrous. We’re at low unemployment, wages are up, people are spending like there’s no tommorrow and one would think to watch cable or read the national news that we’re in the depths of a depression. It sucks- it’s poor quality work. I’m glad I don’t make personal financial decisions based on this shitty work- I would have given up a year ago and missed a pretty damn good year as far as sales and income. I’m not the only one either- you cannot find an entry level middle class house to buy here- 80k to 150k range. They sell in 3 days. Auctions are packed- so not just real property but used equipment and personal property. I don’t know where they’re getting the money. I keep being told they don’t have any.

  32. 32.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    December 5, 2021 at 10:51 am

    @sdhays: Had an epiphany on that topic the other day. People with the option who choose to remain unvaccinated are in effect volunteering to be biological suicide bombers. After all, most suicide bombers are indoctrinated by people who are too important to sacrifice their own lives to the cause…

  33. 33.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 5, 2021 at 10:51 am

    @sdhays: and gerrymandering doesn’t apply to Senate races, which (as I hope to god we’re finally learning) is essential to the composition of the courts, and all kinds of fucker happens at the state level.

    People love to say “We need to fight like Republicans!” and they usually mean being loud and aggressive and “fighting”. Republicans have been voting in every election, from the federal level down to dogcatcher, for fifty years. That’s the fight. That’s how they win. Last week on MSNBC I heard a prominent left activist say “We did our job. We showed up in 2020. Now it’s on Biden.” That attitude is a victory for trumpism

  34. 34.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 10:53 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Gerrymandering will certainly shift some House districts to Republicans. The question is how many. Or rather, what will be their net gain after Democratic gerrymandering in Oregon, Illinois, and New York is taken into account. We’ll know a lot more within a few weeks. But right now, I’m guessing Republican gains from reappotionment and redistricting will be in the single digits. Democrats probably will have to flip some districts (like my Virginia 5th) to retain control of the House, but I think it is an exaggeration to state that Republican control of the House is certain.

    This would be a very good topic for a Balloon Juice post next February when maps are largely in place. Democrats in New York state may wipe out as many as five Republicans. Although, court challenges to maps in states covered by the Voting Rights Act, like North Carolina and Texas, will still be in play.

  35. 35.

    rikyrah

    December 5, 2021 at 10:55 am

    Good Morning Everyone ???

  36. 36.

    rikyrah

    December 5, 2021 at 10:56 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Truth ????

  37. 37.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 10:59 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning! ?

  38. 38.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 11:06 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Despite controlling the House, Senate, and White House for the first time in a dozen years

    I hate this phrasing. It implies that the DEMs, if they wanted, could push anything they want thru the Senate, which we all know is BS.

    I would much prefer they say “nominal control of the Senate”. Probably wouldn’t make much difference with most of their audience, but it would be more accurate and might even give pause to those who listen.

  39. 39.

    Nelle

    December 5, 2021 at 11:07 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:  “It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped.  Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lost of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crosing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls.”  Robert F. Kennedy

  40. 40.

    Wanderer

    December 5, 2021 at 11:10 am

    Chuck Todd is a clear case of failing upwards to everyone’s regret.
    I think the White House Christmas decorations are so beautiful this year. I prefer decorations without that bloodbath visage.

  41. 41.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 11:14 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Quasi-relatedly:

    Good:

    The 1/6 committee will recommend reforms to the Electoral Count Act to avert another Trump-style coup attempt in future elections, @lukebroadwater and @NYTnickc report:https://t.co/3eMT8RcpOo

    I reported back in September that the 1/6 committee was going to do this: https://t.co/CyA3MPlxSK

    — Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) December 4, 2021

    Things are happening and we’re not doomed. But we need to do everything we can to minimize the number of seats that are close enough to steal.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 11:16 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The Senate is gerrymandered by design. The most populous states (trending DEM) get the same number of Senators as the least populous states (trending GOP). This has the effect of giving the GOP a larger slice of the Senate with fewer votes.

  43. 43.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 11:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: A lot of people are dunking on Democrats for not getting more done despite holding the White House and having narrow Senate and House majorities. I notice  that many of these are in the Left. These folks are not Democrats, and are intellectually and emotionally invested in the Biden administration’s failure.

  44. 44.

    RaflW

    December 5, 2021 at 11:17 am

    @Kay: Next thing you know, the press is gonna start blaming Biden for the lack of new housing starts.

    (Note that the Reuters article does say that permits issued are at a 15 year high. And to be clear, this article doesn’t blame Joe. But it’s comin’, from other sources, mark my annoyed word.)

  45. 45.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 11:19 am

    @Geminid: And there is nothing we can do about them.

    eta: well, almost nothing.

  46. 46.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 5, 2021 at 11:20 am

    @Kay:

    The economic coverage is ludicrous. We’re at low unemployment, wages are up, people are spending like there’s no tommorrow and one would think to watch cable or read the national news that we’re in the depths of a depression.

    To make some things I said earlier more precise: I think that to some extent many Americans have psychologically adjusted to the upsides, for them, of the economy always being slightly depressed–basically, cheap and obsequious labor and cheap consumer goods–and get upset when they encounter a situation in which these are no longer true.

    What’s best for workers is not best for consumers or vice versa, and the fact that most people are both doesn’t always register. Also, workers aren’t feeling good either, they’re reacting to shitty conditions and flexing their muscle to make things better.

  47. 47.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 11:21 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Exactly. And while we don’t know what’s going to happen next year, we know some things, like a major ruling against Roe v. Wade is coming. Who knows what the electoral impact of that will be, but assuming it will be nothing or pro-GQP is just silly.

    I find election analysis this far out always seems blinkered and unhelpful.

  48. 48.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 5, 2021 at 11:21 am

    @Another Scott: Do you think there is any chance whatsoever that reforms to the Electoral Count Act will happen? The people who are plotting the next coup have effective veto power over regulations designed to stop them.

  49. 49.

    Leto

    December 5, 2021 at 11:21 am

    @Scout211: as always, the contrast in terms of simply humanity is so  stark. Genuine empathy, and a desire to do good/bring joy, will always be a delineator.

    @Ohio Mom: I will never understand that design motif. It’s beyond ice cold. The way the White House is decorated now is more reminiscent of the European Christmas decorations I know, full of warmth, color, and cheer.

  50. 50.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 11:22 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Democrats have the Leadership in the Senate, but they don’t have Control.

    You’re right that the reporting on this is broken and has been for a very long time.

    Grrr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    frosty

    December 5, 2021 at 11:24 am

    @Matt McIrvin: I’ll be the morning Pollyanna because I don’t see Another Scott yet. There are a couple of other responses to gerrymandering: here’s mine. Gerrymandering concentrates one party (let’s say Democrats) in a few districts and spreads the other party (call them Republicans) among many. As I understand it, this necessarily dilutes the R vote in those districts, going from an average of, say, +7 to +3. In a normal election they all go R. In a wave election, where Ds are motivated to vote and GOTV works, a lot of those gerrymandered districts are liable to flip.

    There’s a risky downside to an extreme gerrymander which can occur if the other party can pull it off.

    ETA LOL, and here’s Another Scott right in front of me.

  52. 52.

    Starfish

    December 5, 2021 at 11:27 am

    @Sure Lurkalot: I am so tired of his garbage takes. I hope a better Democrat runs against him, but I expect the party support to be aligned with him and not in a position to make room for better Democrats.

  53. 53.

    Kay

    December 5, 2021 at 11:28 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    There’s another way to look at this, though, from long term activists ( so not the “I voted for Obama and he didn’t fix everything” people).

    It’s this:

    The overturn of Roe will not be about one failed electoral campaign or badly timed Supreme Court death or failure to retire — though as with any historical cataclysm, its timing and shape will have been determined by those factors, sure. But Roe — like the Voting Rights Act that was gutted in 2013, and the labor and climate and anti-corporate and gay-rights protections that have been and will continue to be rolled back — would not have been made vulnerable to these quirks of timing and personality had it ever had the kind of institutional, ideological, intellectual, and emotional muscle behind it that it deserved. Its loss will reflect years of inattention from those entrusted with its guardianship, by definition the people nearest to the top of our power structures, people who advertise themselves as invested in the rights and protections of people closer to the bottom, yet who have repeatedly failed to prioritize those people’s dignity and well-being — to even really see, much less care about, the daily, lived impact of abortion prohibition.

    It’s a view that says WE, the people, won these advances and our political leaders, “entrusted with guardianship”, didn’t value our work enough to protect them.

    It’s true too. PEOPLE did this work. They organized and campaigned and secured these victories. Obviously “senate leadership” or “the president” put them into law but they didn’t do the work that got “labor rights” or “voting rights” or abortion rights” to that level- liberal activists did.

    The voting and reproductive and labor rights now being undone were won over generations, not by those at the top of our systems, but by the most vulnerable bodies, working in coalition through their lives on a project that would extend well beyond their deaths, over centuries. The irony is that when those rights and protections were finally codified, they were put under the protection of a party and covered by a press that simply didn’t take any of that work, those sacrifices, those stakes, seriously.

  54. 54.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 11:32 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Yup – quick report from the trenches:

    We went Xmas tree shopping yesterday afternoon.  The place we normally go was almost completely out and prices were 2x what we paid last year.  The guy said they normally get 1200 trees and could only get 500.  But they still flew off the lot at 2x the price ($150 for a 7′).

    We quickly hopped in the wagon and headed to another place we’ve used before.  Lots of trees, but flying off the lot (they were going to sell out soon, and they usually don’t until closer to the 25th).  Still $12/ft.

    People may be grumbling about the price increases, but careful shopping still works.  And people are spending a lot now even if they grumble.  The 4th quarter GDP numbers are going to surprise on the upside, is my guess.

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  55. 55.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 11:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: One thing we can do about them is push back on mediums like Twitter, and there is fierce pushback there by people like Denise Oliver-Velez, Ragnarok Lobster, Black Professor, and a multitude of others including the “K-Hive.”

    Lefties used to bother me a lot, but not so much now. They lost the intra-party struggle when Joe Biden crushed Bernie Sanders the last half of last year’s primary season, and most of Sanders’ supporters have come around. The remaining die-hards are making themselves more ridiculous every day. They may be maddening, but they are not very numerous considering the amount of noise they make. And as I noted, there are plenty of people vigorously exposing these soreheads’ malice and hypocrisy.

  56. 56.

    Starfish

    December 5, 2021 at 11:33 am

    @RaflW: If there is free testing readily available where you are, have BF get tested.

    I am a parent (meaning I have a child who attends school with a cloth mask), and I have been repeatedly sick over the past couple of weeks. I came down with something shortly before a Thanksgiving trip, got tested and informed it wasn’t COVID-19, so we continued with our Thanksgiving plans.

    A week after we came back, we got a notification from the state app that we had potentially been exposed (probably at the airport returning from the trip) and had some sniffles. Got tested again. It wasn’t COVID-19 again.

    Our test results are coming back in about a day and a half where I live, and free testing is readily available.

  57. 57.

    gene108

    December 5, 2021 at 11:34 am

    The White House Christmas decorations are a yawn inducing pedestrian setup. It lacks the bold avant- grade terror inducing horror of Melanie “fuck Christmas” Trump’s decorations that were a wonderful daring departure from the pedestrian.

    Borrowing from Stanley Kubrick’s vision from the movie, “The Shining”, of a blood soaked corridor, Melanie had red Christmas trees neatly arranged in rows on both sides of the hall. Such inspired decision are sorely lacking in Jill’s lazy pedestrian decorations.

    What is the meaning of Christmas, if not reimagining blood soaked hallways giving little children nightmares?

  58. 58.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 11:35 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Jesus remains unamused.

  59. 59.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 11:35 am

    @Matt McIrvin: With filibuster/cloture changes, lots of good things are possible.  Will that happen?  It’s not impossible, and the rules have been changed something like 50 times over the years, but yes it is a heavy lift.  Nothing will change unless we do the work…

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  60. 60.

    Kay

    December 5, 2021 at 11:36 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I hate how conventional political media is, and I say this as a “conventional” person. This really is a different environment for them to cover- there was a huge federal response to what could have been a devastating ecomomic hit for people (so not our usual ” fall off a cliff, you’ll bounce back!”) and Biden really DOES have a different and more progressive view of the social safety net and work and faced with this, these changes, they retreated into covering it like it’s 1994 and Bill Clinton is in office.

    Adjust. Adapt. Stop trying to jam everything into “THIS is like 1979!” or “THIS is like 1994!” Just look at it as a moment in time and report it. They’re deeply, deeply uncomfortable with change so they just pretend it isn’t happening. This isn’t good! It’s not real life!

  61. 61.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 11:36 am

    Asked and answered.

  62. 62.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 11:37 am

    @frosty: HeyO!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  63. 63.

    zhena gogolia

    December 5, 2021 at 11:38 am

    @gene108: Good one!

  64. 64.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 11:38 am

    @Kay:

    Even NPR mentioned it this morning.

  65. 65.

    Starfish

    December 5, 2021 at 11:39 am

    Did you see the great Marie Callendar pie debacle on Facebook or Twitter? It is so very funny.

  66. 66.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 11:39 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Strongly agree.

  67. 67.

    Kay

    December 5, 2021 at 11:43 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I had the same complaint with Trump. They could not cover Trump like they had covered other Presidents, but they demanded that they be able to do so. No. You’re going to have to adjust and come up with a different approach for different conditions. Stubbornly insisting this is “normal” isn’t going to work, and it didn’t work.

    I can’t stand Jake Tapper- I think he’s a sanctimonious scold- but I do give him credit for looking reality in the face and adjusting his approach. 

    He called them liars and he was fucking hair on fire about the insurrection- he didn’t tell himself any fairy tales about the “system working”, he said “they want to steal this election” from about 48 hours after they started trying to steal it. He changed when facts and conditions changed. That’s what I want from them.

  68. 68.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 11:45 am

    @Starfish:

    I can’t imagine someone wouldn’t have smelt something burning before the pie was as burned as it was.

  69. 69.

    eclare

    December 5, 2021 at 11:46 am

    @Starfish:   Did that woman leave some kind of cardboard insert on her pie while baking it with the oven set to sun?

  70. 70.

    oldgold

    December 5, 2021 at 11:46 am

    I attended a large virtual  conference this week. On Wednesday the a speaker blamed Biden’ BBB program for the Dow Jones slipping roughly 461 points.

    The next day, the Dow Jones was up 617. I raised my hand (virtually) and asked this same speaker, who was now on a panel,  if he was willing to give Biden credit. The answer was “No.” To which I said, That’s what I expected from a Lou Dobbs’ acolyte.”

    It then got fugly. I am good at fugly. The butter-knifed professor – not so much.

    Lesson: when you run into these feckless frauds – take them on.

  71. 71.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 5, 2021 at 11:50 am

    @oldgold:

    a speaker blamed Biden’ BBB program for the Dow Jones slipping roughly 461 points.

    the plan that hasn’t passed?

    also, if you get into a fight about “the economy” with your drunk uncle or loud-mouth S/B-IL over the holidays, the SP500 is up over twenty percent since Biden’s inauguration, which is I believe almost three times its historic average

  72. 72.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 11:50 am

    @eclare:

    I think she turned on the broiler rather than the oven.

  73. 73.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 5, 2021 at 11:54 am

    @Geminid: When leftists dunk on “the Democrats” collectively instead of specifying factions or naming names, it’s usually a sign of a bad-faith argument. Just saying which Democrats they actually mean would go a long way to maintain trust, but that would also cause a lot of the arguments to collapse. They start with Manchin and Sinema misbehaving and then end up implicitly supporting responses that would make things even worse. How does withholding support for your own Democratic officials help?

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    December 5, 2021 at 12:01 pm

    @oldgold: Well played.

  75. 75.

    Leto

    December 5, 2021 at 12:03 pm

    @debbie: she might want to turn her oven down from “cremate” to “bake”. Will produce better results.

  76. 76.

    RaflW

    December 5, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    @Starfish: Yep, he will. But he has to wait several days. Right now it’d almost certainly not show anything but negative since the contact was just 40 hours ago.

    I might get a rapid test in a few days also, since I’m planning to be at 9,000 feet for 8 nights starting Wed. Not a location where I’d want a respiratory illness.

    This sort of cluster-f is why I get so damn mad when conservatives say that liberals ‘want the pandemic to continue so they can control people.’ Such utter, unmitigated bull crap.

  77. 77.

    zhena gogolia

    December 5, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    @oldgold: Good for you!

  78. 78.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 12:08 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Bumped up from last night:

    Weird how when we see gun group shots from other countries we don’t think, “Look at all that awesome freedom.”
    pic.twitter.com/mIfNrpbfcn

    — Schooley (@Rschooley) December 4, 2021

  79. 79.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 12:09 pm

    @Starfish:

    That was hilarious.

  80. 80.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 5, 2021 at 12:10 pm

    Cross-posted from upstairs:

    Breaking : former Senator Bob Dole has died at age 98.

    I never supported him, but he was orders of magnitude better than the current GOP crop.

    ETA: One pair of images that will stay with me forever is from immediately after TFG’s inauguration. Bob and Liddy Dole were seated at the top of the bleachers, on the aisle. They tried to greet and congratulate TFG, who ignored them and swept past them. A minute later, the Obamas got to the top row, embraced the Doles, and stopped to talk with them for a minute. The contrast was exquisite.

    RIP, Senator.

  81. 81.

    Starfish

    December 5, 2021 at 12:10 pm

    @debbie & @eclare:
    The whole thread of people making fun of that lady’s pie making skills was so hilarious. It seemed like the people in charge of social media for that company had to eventually delete the thread.

  82. 82.

    opiejeanne

    December 5, 2021 at 12:15 pm

    @sdhays: I wonder if her feet are square. That may be why you never see her bare feet.

  83. 83.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 5, 2021 at 12:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I never supported him, but he was orders of magnitude better than the current GOP crop.

    there was a decent man in there somewhere. I remember him getting booed by his own campaign crowds when he referred to Bill Clinton as “my opponent, because he is not my enemy”. I was surprised and sad when he started wearing a MAGA hat.

    His endorsement of John McCain when his wife was still pretending to be running for President was a hoot.

  84. 84.

    Fair Economist

    December 5, 2021 at 12:20 pm

    @Geminid: I’ve said it many times; the “dead end leftists” are mostly fake. Even the hardest core genuine leftists like Chomsky are all in on Hillary or Biden over Trump.

  85. 85.

    trollhattan

    December 5, 2021 at 12:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Dole had a very sardonic sense of humor and at times was genuinely funny. As a WWII vet I wonder how he tolerated, or seemed to, Trump’s embrace of nazis. Maybe he never realized just how bad it was, being in his 90s and all.

  86. 86.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 12:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I still remember the joint interview on PBS with Dole and GHWB during whichever primary. The host (Lehrer?) thanked them both at the end and Dole just barely got in a “Stop lying about my record.”

    Better than TFG? Of course, but still an old crank even back then.

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 5, 2021 at 12:21 pm

    @Starfish:

    That’s great!

  88. 88.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 12:21 pm

    I should refresh the page before posting.

  89. 89.

    opiejeanne

    December 5, 2021 at 12:24 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: At Thanksgiving last week, nearly half of the assembled family & friends gloomily insisted that Trump would be re-elected. A roomful of Democrats who should have been joyful at the relief of having normal, competent people running the country, speaking Doom. I wanted to shout the house down, “No, it doesn’t have to happen, and WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING TO PREVENT IT.”

    I didn’t, but when each of us was asked what we were grateful for, and it finally came to me to speak (I was next to last), I told them I was grateful for the vaccines that have allowed us to be together again, and that the former fucking guy was no longer in the White House. It got cheers and some “hear! hear!” reactions, and my son was left trying to find something to say that wasn’t anticlimactic. (He didn’t mind, he had just gotten engaged the day before and was just floating on actual joy.)

  90. 90.

    James E Powell

    December 5, 2021 at 12:25 pm

    @sdhays:

    I find election analysis this far out always seems blinkered and unhelpful.

    Agree, but even this far out, narratives are setting in and they will be very hard to eradicate next summer & fall.

    Upthread some one mentioned that, unlike Democrats, Republicans vote in every election, every level. Similarly, unlike Democrats, Republicans are campaigning every hour of every day with the identical message.

  91. 91.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 12:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He was a monster in some ways, also too.

    Dole on Abortion (from 1996, though the headline says published 2005).

    Too many like him used abortion as a cudgel to gain and maintain power. Reproductive rights were just a cynical political tool for them. They laid the cornerstone for what’s happening today.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  92. 92.

    Chief Oshkosh

    December 5, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yep.

    And worth reposting:

    https://fallows.substack.com/p/fools-drunks-and-the-united-states?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy

  93. 93.

    Kathleen

    December 5, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    @Steeplejack: My caption was “A Christmas Peril”.

  94. 94.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    Parking this here for the next time they come after Kamala Harris.

    Mike Pence’s chief counsel, domestic policy adviser, chief of staff, and press secretary all left by the end of his first year.

    Media didn’t question his “leadership style.”

    They are treating VP Harris differently because D.C. press is mostly white men and she is a black woman.

    — Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) December 5, 2021

  95. 95.

    MagdaInBlack

    December 5, 2021 at 12:33 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: I like that theory.

  96. 96.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 12:36 pm

    @Another Scott: He endorsed Dump. As far as I’m concerned, that’s all that needs to be said about him.

    Rot in hell, Bob.

  97. 97.

    Chief Oshkosh

    December 5, 2021 at 12:38 pm

    @Kay:

    They’re deeply, deeply uncomfortable with change so they just pretend it isn’t happening. This isn’t good! It’s not real life!

    Agreed, and so much more. Don’t discount the likelihood that, well, they’re just not very bright people. The brightest don’t make it in that industry anymore.

    Not that that observation is especially helpful…

  98. 98.

    Warblewarble

    December 5, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    The Massie photos are recurring theme with republican reps year after year. Massie merely jumped ahead of the pack.

  99. 99.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 5, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Low bar. One of the few “old guard” Republicans to support TFG, TWICE.

    I’ll get my spouse to pull out and put on his Dope Hemp tee shirt from 1996. It is just too classic to throw away.

  100. 100.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2021 at 12:43 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ​
      I have been told we should NOT say things like that. Also that turnout isn’t the answer to everything. Further, we must be cognizant of how horrible everything is all the time.

    edited

  101. 101.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 12:43 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: Thanks for the pointer.  Fallows is great at putting important issues in context.

    Cheers,

    Scott.

  102. 102.

    Kay

    December 5, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Thanks – I wondered if he had staff turnover.

    It seems like they could fix this easily. Just report on the staff turnover. Leave the “leadership style” speculation to the reader.

  103. 103.

    James E Powell

    December 5, 2021 at 12:47 pm

    @Kay:

    The irony is that when those rights and protections were finally codified, they were put under the protection of a party and covered by a press that simply didn’t take any of that work, those sacrifices, those stakes, seriously.

    That article says that “The Democrats” did not prioritize abortion rights, which is true. They’ve been running & hiding & reaching out & moderating the whole time. But you know who else didn’t take the threats to abortion rights seriously? Advocate groups & voters. “The Democrats” are trying to win elections and standing out for abortion rights does not win elections.

    If NARAL & Planned Parenthood took the threats to abortion rights seriously, they wouldn’t have stood behind Joe Lieberman. If pro-choice people, including pro-choice women, cared about the threats to abortion rights they would not have voted for George W Bush in 2000 & 2004 – or any Republican in any year.

    This relates to the “We are Doomed” thing in that people expect their feelings to be translated into action without them doing any work to make that happen.

    I am obviously not talking about you, Kay.

  104. 104.

    oldgold

    December 5, 2021 at 12:47 pm

    Harris is being “Hillaried.”

  105. 105.

    Mike in NC

    December 5, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    Bob Dole is just more proof that the good die young. He blubbered like a baby at Nixon’s funeral and was a right-wing hatchet man and dirty trickster long before Roger Stone. His name rhymed with a bodily orifice.

  106. 106.

    lowtechcyclist

    December 5, 2021 at 12:49 pm

    Trump accidentally spoke the truth about the 2020 election:

    “Anybody that doesn’t think there wasn’t massive Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election is either very stupid, or very corrupt!”

  107. 107.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 5, 2021 at 12:51 pm

    @opiejeanne: (He didn’t mind, he had just gotten engaged the day before

    Please pass on my sympathies.

  108. 108.

    eclare

    December 5, 2021 at 12:52 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:   Good article, thanks!

  109. 109.

    Steeplejack

    December 5, 2021 at 12:53 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    He is getting gleefully dragged up and down Twitter. As one commenter said, “He finally didn’t not concede.”

  110. 110.

    zhena gogolia

    December 5, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    @opiejeanne: There was some of that at our Thanksgiving too. TFG will be reelected because our students insist on transgender rights.

  111. 111.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oops.   “… we should not say…”  Not enough caffeine yet.

  112. 112.

    eclare

    December 5, 2021 at 12:55 pm

    @Steeplejack:   Thanks, it infuriates me.  Like all the “mean girl” talk about Klobuchar that disappeared once she dropped out of the race.

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 12:56 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    My understanding is that because of extreme gerrymandering it is literally impossible for us to hold the House in 2022 even if we were to get stellar turnout and a landslide vote majority. No amount of enthusiasm will do that.

    It was also impossible for us to win the two senate races in Georgia.  But many many many people organized, and fought tooth and nail, and *raised a ton of money for Georgia, and look what happened?

    Allow me to introduce you to Senators Warnock and Ossoff.

    Balloon Juice raised $900,000 for Georgia for 2022 and the runoffs.  We did that.

    You fight no matter how hard the battle, and sometimes you win.

    NO ONE KNOWS THE FUTURE.  NO ONE.

  114. 114.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 5, 2021 at 12:57 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  115. 115.

    gene108

    December 5, 2021 at 12:58 pm

    @Kay:

    The activist groups haven’t combined into a giant superpowered giant activist robot, where they all work in unison for everyone else’s causes.

    Labor activist and union members have different membership and goals from reproductive freedom/social safety net activists.

    I’m not sure it’s possible for one party to appeal to all of them without losing some of them.

  116. 116.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 12:58 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: As nauseating as it is to read that, I suspect that your governor is giving the unvaccinated space for them to change their minds.

    If he publicly attacks and blames – even though they deserve it – there is no chance that they will change their minds.

  117. 117.

    sdhays

    December 5, 2021 at 1:00 pm

    @James E Powell: Advocates supported Susan Collins all the way until 2020, when it was too late. Oops.

  118. 118.

    James E Powell

    December 5, 2021 at 1:04 pm

    @Kay:

    I can’t stand Jake Tapper- I think he’s a sanctimonious scold- but I do give him credit for looking reality in the face and adjusting his approach. 

    Then he ignored reality & led the attacks on Biden over the end of the Afghanistan occupation. He is, after all, a Villager first.

  119. 119.

    Renie

    December 5, 2021 at 1:04 pm

    OT Re: Adam Schiff

    Since my daughter summer interned as one of the assistants for Tom Malinowski when he was Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor we have always donated to his campaign where he is presently a Representative from New Jersey.  On Dec 20th Adam Schiff is joining him for a one hour virtual fund-raising that you can attend.  It appears the lowest donation is $25.  But if you are a big fan of Adam Schiff (as shown in the book club thread), thought you may be interested in this.  See Tom’s website for more info.

  120. 120.

    debbie

    December 5, 2021 at 1:05 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Double negatives have always tripped up the poor guy. //

  121. 121.

    James E Powell

    December 5, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    How does withholding support for your own Democratic officials help?

    lt allows them to do moral posturing.

  122. 122.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I added a “NOT” and marked it edited.

  123. 123.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yesterday, I watched Julien Temple’s documentary about Joe Strummer, The Future Is Unwritten.  I came away with two messages from Joe.  Celebrate being alive.  And, oddly enough, that the future is unwritten.  I think we should take both to heart.

    ETA:  The film was great.  Highly recommend.

  124. 124.

    eclare

    December 5, 2021 at 1:07 pm

    @sdhays:   There seems to be a divide between what voters say they approve of and how they vote.  Majorities say they support abortion, larger majorities say they support some gun control legislation.  And here we are.

    And I’m sure the gerrymandering and the outsize influence of rural areas plays a part.  I read today that the University of Memphis is ending its vaccine mandate because it’s no longer legal under state passed laws.  And Nashville now gets a say in who we appoint as county health director.

  125. 125.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2021 at 1:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: Danke.

  126. 126.

    Chief Oshkosh

    December 5, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    If he publicly attacks and blames – even though they deserve it – there is no chance that they will change their minds.

    Maybe. More likely he’s just a go-along-get-along.

    Also, whatever happened to the meme that the vaccinated were finally getting tired of the unvaxxed idiots that that there would not be consequences? I argue that that did happen and that the relatively mild negative news stories got more people to get vaccinating. That is, telling them to their faces that THEY were full of shit, that THEY were killing people, that THEY were the reason for a slowed economy, and that THEY were now going to be shunned, that that approach actually got some of them to get vaccinated. Who’s to say that that didn’t get more of them to vaccinate than the soft-sell?

  127. 127.

    eclare

    December 5, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:  “When the world is running down…”

    Oops!  Got him mixed up with Andy Summers.  Still a good sentiment.

  128. 128.

    Kay

    December 5, 2021 at 1:10 pm

    @James E Powell:

    You have to make a distinction between political leaders, activists and voters. They’re not the same. There’s a power differential. Saying each voter bears as much responsibility for protecting Roe as each senator or each president or each judge is simply not true. Presidents, senators, judges? They have more responsibility because they have more power. The essay looks at that distinction and says “we worked and agitated and cajoled to get these rights and YOU, the powerful people we entrusted with what we had gained, did not value that work enough to protect it”.

    You see this distinction most clearly in the labor movement. There’s “labor” and then there’s “Democrats” who either do or don’t protect what “labor” (rightfully, in my view) believe that THEY won. So if the 40 hour week goes down it’s not “the Democrats lost the 40 hour week” – it’s the Democrats lost Labor’s 40 hour week. This view makes more sense to me. It’s how the advances actually happen. LBJ doesn’t create or invent “civil rights”. He picks up the codification of what civil rights activists fought for.

    It’s fair, too. If Democratic leaders claim credit for the Voting Rights Act – and they do- then Democratic leaders have to accept responsibility for the demise of the Voting Rights Act. This works both ways.

  129. 129.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    December 5, 2021 at 1:41 pm

    @Kay: Because only Democrats have agency? What about the Republicans voters keep sending to Washington? Who is actively trying to take the right to an abortion away? It’s not Democrats.

    Why should Democrats bear the brunt of activist blame? I don’t get it. This is a hard fought, long term struggle and success is not guaranteed. But Dems lose a battle and now activists blame them for not fighting harder? Doesn’t seem like a good way to win the next battle.

  130. 130.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 5, 2021 at 1:46 pm

    @WaterGirl: The unvaccinated in my state have been given plenty of time and yet still more than 1/3 of the counties are less than 50% poked with one dose. Not sure where I read this but:

    “There is an assumption that if they had better information they would make a better choice.”

    They have and they didn’t, don’t, won’t.

    Had occasion to email my community resource officer about a suspicious vehicle. He called me back after 2 weeks, apologized for the delay but his whole family was sick with COVID, which he described as THE MAN MADE VIRUS. Great state employee right there.

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2021 at 1:54 pm

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Yes, if voters keep electing Republicans, doesn’t it say that the rights that activists voted for and Democrats provided legislation to protect are not that important to the majority of voters?  They remain important to me and to the other commenters here, but, if they aren’t more important to voters, then activists have more work to do to convince them.  Democratic legislators have to be in power to enact laws.  I am glossing over the fact that some Democrats are not fully on our side in these issues, but, ffs, let’s not ignore the literal elephant in the room.

  132. 132.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 1:57 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Personally, I totally agree that they have been given more than enough time.

    But as an elected official in CO it’s probably not smart to back these idiots into a corner with rhetoric.  Back them into a corner with vaccine REQUIREMENTS, absolutely!

    Obama sometimes praised people for things they were not doing yet – it’s an aspirational thing.  Don’t demonize them for what they’re not doing; credit them for behavior that closer to what you want, even if they are not doing it yet.

    My point is that his phrasing was likely a tactic.

    I hold everyone – who could get vaccinated, but doesn’t – responsible for all these deaths and for the pandemic still raging.

  133. 133.

    Starfish

    December 5, 2021 at 2:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: You would think that would be a path forward, but vaccines are somewhat taboo here.

    I was honestly really pleasantly surprised that most people got vaccinated and got their children vaccinated because they are also lefty anti-vaxxers here too.

    My son (fifth grade) was saying how the kids were talking about their excitement over getting their second dose, and one little girl said that her mom does not believe in the vaccine, so she has not gotten it.

    We have both religious and philosophical exemptions to vaccines here, and there is a ton of medical quackery.

  134. 134.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 2:06 pm

    @WaterGirl: There is some good news for Stacey Abrams today. Georga Senator David Perdue lost to Jon Ossoff in the January 5th runoff, but he is not going gently into the night. Sources say:

         Former Sen. David Perdue plans to announce he’ll challenge Gov. Brian Kemp, setting up an epic Republican Party primary clash in one of the nation’s top battleground states.

    ….The former Senator has discussed getting additional fundraising and endorsement support from Trump and it will be forthcoming, the sources said.

      Politico, Dec.5 2021

    By former Republican standards, Kemp has been a success as Governor. But Kemp crossed the vindictive trump, so now he and Perdue will be spending a lot of money tearing each other down. Meanwhile Stacey Abrams will be banking money and leading a unified Georgia  Democratic Party.

  135. 135.

    jonas

    December 5, 2021 at 2:14 pm

    @eclare: This is right. Telling a pollster you approve of something is different than being willing to crawl over broken glass to vote for it, or against a politician who also doesn’t support it. As I’ve observed on a number of threads, if we were governed by polls, we’d be Sweden or New Zealand. Unfortunately, we’re governed by whoever turns out to vote, not whoever picks up a phone (in addition to the billionaires and corporations that determine what we’re allowed to vote on…)

  136. 136.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 5, 2021 at 2:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: That’s the rub. He refuses to do any state wide mandating. Masks or vaccines. A lot of the business community in the heavily vaxxed areas is pretty tired of being forced to be the ones to make and enforce rules.

  137. 137.

    oatler

    December 5, 2021 at 2:38 pm

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    “Why should Democrats bear the brunt of activist blame?” Or Chuck Todd’s work will have been in vain. He had Mike Braun on this morning and didn’t once ask him about his vote to acquit TFG,

  138. 138.

    Captain C

    December 5, 2021 at 2:55 pm

    @Fair Economist: I know a few people who fall under ‘dead-end-leftists’ who seem mainly concerned with bringing down the Democratic Party, but most of that group seem to be cosplay revolutionaries with trust funds.

  139. 139.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 3:00 pm

    @Geminid: Fingers crossed!

  140. 140.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 3:04 pm

    @Captain C: Yeah, these folks call for a “General Strike,” but most of them don’t have jobs that they could strike. That’s for the working class people they pretend to advocate for.

  141. 141.

    Captain C

    December 5, 2021 at 3:08 pm

    @Geminid: “You need to pay the actual price for my moral grandstanding” is not the winning message they seem to think it is.

  142. 142.

    Geminid

    December 5, 2021 at 3:12 pm

    @oatler: In 2018, Mike Braun beat incumbent Democrat Joe Donnelly by 6%, with a margin of 135,000 votes out of almost 2,280,000 votes cast. That’s a comfortable margin, but not an intimidating one. I hope Indiana Democrats put up a strong candidate in 2024. There is a lot of handwringing about a Republican wave in 2024, but I think a Democratic wave is as or more likely that year. And Braun is not invincible even if there is no wave.

  143. 143.

    Madeleine

    December 5, 2021 at 3:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: ummm . . . $90,000?

  144. 144.

    Ruckus

    December 5, 2021 at 3:29 pm

    One thing that we should never forget and that is that is, who owns the press. A large amount is held by conservatives. Do I need to remind who owns one of the worst not news, news stations? Or some of the major newspapers? Or who benefits from the opposite of overall good economic conditions?

  145. 145.

    Laydeebe

    December 5, 2021 at 4:28 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Polis is a businessman. Thats not to say he doesn’t have a heart, but he knows how important it is to keep the wheels greased and turning.

    You start enacting/mandating Covid restrictions again, money stops flowing freely, and every business owner from Louie’s Pizza to CS Utilities get itchy. Folks need heat and light more than pizza, but commercial real estate is best utilized when people use it. And you can only have so many bosses and managers monitoring the key strokes of those remote workers working in pajama bottoms, and walking around their houses eating crackers like they own the place. 

    It is baffling that just to keep the economy running, you have to risk the lives of thousands of your constituents. Some of us may die, but It’s a sacrifice many governors are willing to make. Polis is risking his wealthy constituants cutting his campaign financing. These guys believe Jesus could have had more money if he had started making his followers tithe instead of preaching for free.

    Besides, their wives need more pairs of Jimmy Choo’s, and their mistresses need bigger boobs. Losing a few thousand to add plexiglass to cashier stations and restaurant seating booths sucked. So did having to raise their employees fucking pay. Now that their workers are making $15 an hour, they think they should be eligible for better health benefits, shit called “maternity leave,” and time off for sick leave and shit. 

    CS isn’t as rural as Lauren, “we eat dinner with loaded sig sauers next to our plates!” Bobert, but we still have a lot of gun owners who attend New Life Church, and  travel on  I-25 daily, even though the government never does shit for them.  These are folks with names like James Robert, whose West Virginia family hates him because “Jim Bob” forsake the coal mines to go to community college out of state. Now James owns a kitchen refurbishing buisness, and can buy his kids PS 4s or whatever. Christmas was meh last year, so this year is his time to shine. Goddammit, his kids WILL have the Christmas they were denied last year! He hates it tha those overweight, soft handed little shits don’t want to work in the family business, but they at least will learn to love him this year, expensive toys be damned!

    A lot of the steel toed boot wearing, F-150 driving, small business owners took a hit last year. They may tolerate living in a blue state with a governor who doesn’t like vagina, but they draw the line at “Nazi” style forced vaccination.

    Many had the “Chinese virus,” and recovered just fine. And although they’ll wear a goddamed mask for their chickenshit, but good paying customers, they draw the line at masking up to go into goddammed Safeway. This shit needs to end, and we need to hurry up and get back to the good old days of 2019. Besides, they’ve been told they are now naturally immune for life, variants be damned. It’s the rest of us acting like little bitches.

    So yeah, we ain’t mandating shit, at least not until we hit Upsilon.

  146. 146.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    @Madeleine:

    ummm . . . $90,000?

    No, for real, that is not a typo.  We raised 900,000 on Balloon juice for Georgia.

    Between Fair Fight, Warnock, Ossoff, America Votes -GA, we donated ~ 900,000.

    Balloon Juice for Raphael Warnock, Georgia Senate
    1,349 donations totaling $110,506

    Balloon Juice for Jon Ossoff, Georgia Senate
    8,371 donations totaling $740,387

    Balloon Juice for America Votes – Georgia
    242 donations totaling $21,673

    Balloon Juice for Fair Fight
    396 donations totaling $41,646

    TOTAL:  $914,212

  147. 147.

    Mousebumples

    December 5, 2021 at 5:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    I think that Ossoff $ included his fundraising for that House seat in 2017, too, though. (eg used the same thermometer)

    Not sure on the money for then versus 2020,but I don’t think all of the Ossoff money was for 2020.

    Not to diminish what we did – we are a fundraising powerhouse. And that was definitely an outcome that went against the conventional wisdom.

  148. 148.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    @Mousebumples: Not according to DougJ – I asked the same thing when i first saw the numbers in the spring.

    Doug said it DID include the Ossoff primary for 2020 but DID NOT include fundraising for the previous race.

    For all fundraising in 2021, we have been starting over with a brand-new thermometer set at 0 so there is never any question.

  149. 149.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    @WaterGirl: Actually, Four Directions should be in the mix there, too, because we did raise money for them also in 2020.

  150. 150.

    Mousebumples

    December 5, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: that works. I swear I saw someone say it included 2017 primary fundraising but I’ll trust the guy in charge of the thermometers!

  151. 151.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    @Mousebumples: I think I may have said it once before I checked with DougJ. :-)

  152. 152.

    Another Scott

    December 5, 2021 at 7:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: Made me look…

    $7577 to Ossoff for the 2017 Special Election.

    Hmm… Something’s wonky. As I search the DougJ pages for thermometers and click “Previous Page” I get a lower numbered page in the URL, but the date on the posts keeps increasing. I’ll have to stop now.

    It’s working as designed – my brain was backwards.

    (But my recollection is that we raised a mountain of money for Ossoff when he was running for the House (DougJ mentions $30M for that race, not all B-J of course), and my recollection is that the thermometer didn’t start from zero when he started his run for the Senate – I thought it was strange at the time. But my recollection has been faulty more than once!!)

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  153. 153.

    WaterGirl

    December 5, 2021 at 7:58 pm

    @Another Scott:  I wasn’t directly involved then.  All I know is what DougJ told me, and i assume he knows what he’s talking about. ?‍♀️

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