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Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Another Monument to Treason Fallen

by Anne Laurie|  December 7, 20215:20 pm| 89 Comments

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FTR this is the only one I thought should be left standing https://t.co/zN7kZfx09K

— zeddy (@Zeddary) December 7, 2021

Per the Nashville Scene:

… A notorious statue of Confederate general and early KKK leader Nathan Bedford Forrest that has stood beside I-65 in Crieve Hall for more than two decades has now been removed. The statue — a frequent source of mockery and vandalism — was sculpted by Jack Kershaw. Though visible from the interstate, the eyesore sat on the private Hogan Road property of a man named Bill Dorris, who once said of Kershaw, “As an artist, mediocre.”

Dorris died a little more than a year ago and made national headlines for designating a $5 million trust to his border collie Lulu upon his death. (You read that correctly, yes.) A source at the time told the Scene that the estate was valued at closer to half a million dollars.

As reported Tuesday morning by NewsChannel 5’s Nick Beres: “The executor of the will ordered for the statue removed early Tuesday morning. … It will be held in storage and possibly be put up for sale. For now, the flags will remain at the site.”

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  1. 1.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 7, 2021 at 5:23 pm

    I’ve seen that, albeit from a distance. Ugliest damned sculpture a sculptor ever sculpted. Just a wretched and bizarre tribute to a wretched and hateful person. I’m thrilled it’s been removed.

  2. 2.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2021 at 5:25 pm

    Wearing either my art critic hat or my decent human hat*, I say the same thing: Good, melt it down for scrap.

    *Not saying that art critics can’t be good people. It is theoretically possible.

  3. 3.

    SpaceUnit

    December 7, 2021 at 5:26 pm

    No, Forrest actually looked like that, and his horse ran on its two back legs.

  4. 4.

    delk

    December 7, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    Love the skirt. Sassy!

  5. 5.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 7, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The horse on the way to Denver International Airport would like a word.

  6. 6.

    dmsilev

    December 7, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    Well, the quality of the art matches the quality and humanity of the subject, so I guess there’s that.

  7. 7.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Link doesn’t work. Never mind.

  8. 8.

    Woodrow/asim

    December 7, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Try https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dia+horse+sculpture

  9. 9.

    RaflW

    December 7, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Is that where the idea for the demon sheep ad originated?

    Also, that thing does catch my eye most times I travel to or from DIA. I have a preference for the convention center bear, tho.

  10. 10.

    Yutsano

    December 7, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    Open thread?

    My spinal steroid injections went well. I guess I fell asleep during the meat of it because I don’t remember the actual shots part. But right now my back feels amazing. It’s just from the lidocaine and will fade in a day or two but in the immediate I will take it.

  11. 11.

    Almost Retired

    December 7, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    Oh my.  Are we sure it wasn’t the estate of Nathan Bedford Forrest that demanded its removal?

  12. 12.

    Mike in NC

    December 7, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    Hideous eyesore would be a fitting addition at Mar-A-Lago, a temple to bad taste.

  13. 13.

    Leto

    December 7, 2021 at 5:41 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: honestly, that’s right up there with the Cristiano Ronaldo bust debacle from a few years ago. Seriously, did the same artist do that one too?

  14. 14.

    Jay C

    December 7, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    Personally, I think that when it comes to “bad sculpture” to the level of “probably cursed” – “Blucifer” (the common nickname for the Denver Airport horse) takes the prize on an all-time basis, as he actually killed the artist than made him.

     

    Seriously: it was created by the Mexican-American artist Luis Jimenez, Jr. : it was his last piece, and while he was assembling it in his studio in 2006, some rigging failed, and a section of the horse fell on, and mortally injured Jimenez.

    Now that’s bad karma…..

  15. 15.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 7, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    @RaflW: The Denver Convention Center bear is quite popluar. Someone gave me a minature souvenir one and it’s proudly displayed on a dresser in the boudoir.

  16. 16.

    RAM

    December 7, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    Actually, it would seem to me to have been much more disrespectful to Forrest to have left the statue there. It’s always reminded me of a demented ventriloquist dummy.

  17. 17.

    CaseyL

    December 7, 2021 at 5:49 pm

    In Atlantic City, one of the amusement park piers was called Steel Pier.  Its biggest star, for over 50 years, was the Diving Horse.  A horse, with rider, would jump/slide off a platform into a very large pool about 50 feet below.

    The pier also had coin-operated souvenir machines, where you would put in the money and the machine would extrude hot plastic into a mold.  One of these machines would create a horse, a la the Diving Horse.

    The horse was smooth and golden-amber, with no details of musculature or anything like that.

    The horse part of that statue always reminded me of those extruded-plastic horses

    It even looks like it’s in much the same pose.

  18. 18.

    Sure Lurkalot

    December 7, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    @Jay C: There was some brouhaha about criticizing the sculputure both because the sculptor was a minority and his tragic death. I don’t see what those things had to do with the fact that his creation is abominable and pretty much everyone hates it, which would have been the case if he wasn’t tragically killed, I’m afraid.

    Much like how one is labeled anti-semitic if there’s a whiff of criticism about Israel.

  19. 19.

    Jay C

    December 7, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    @Leto:

    Oh, and as an “honorable mention” in the “bad public sculpture” sweeps, let’s not forget Jamestown, NY’s original  monument to its famous resident Lucille Ball….

  20. 20.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    @Yutsano: Great.

  21. 21.

    Patricia Kayden

    December 7, 2021 at 5:58 pm

    Raise your hand if you are RELIEVED to have a president like @JoeBiden who STANDS UP to Putin!— Jon Cooper ?? (@joncoopertweets) December 7, 2021

  22. 22.

    CaseyL

    December 7, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    @Jay C: Well, other than the fact that the original statue looked more like the Screaming Demon idol from Indiana Jones than it looked like Lucy, I don’t see what the fuss was all about.

  23. 23.

    Kent

    December 7, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    Gotta say that is the SECOND most hideous statue I have ever seen.   Nothing quite matches the horror of Number 1: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/26/politics/trump-gold-statue-cpac-2021/index.html

  24. 24.

    Patricia Kayden

    December 7, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    @RAM: ? It is very unflattering but he was a KKK leader so it’s quite fitting.

  25. 25.

    Tony Gerace

    December 7, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    That “statue” makes Nathan Bedford Forrest look like an ignorant, hateful lunatic.  A very realistic portrayal!

  26. 26.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2021 at 6:07 pm

    This exists.

  27. 27.

    Patricia Kayden

    December 7, 2021 at 6:07 pm

    @Mike in NC: Trump wouldn’t want it since he only allows statues of himself to be erected in his mansion.

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 7, 2021 at 6:10 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    Dear Dog, how have I missed that?

  29. 29.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:10 pm

    @Mike in NC:   Perfect!  Tfg can have have a sculpture garden of all the hideous statues that have been taken down.

  30. 30.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 7, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    @Leto:

    Yikes.

  31. 31.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    @Yutsano:   Good news!

  32. 32.

    Cameron

    December 7, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Fonz of the Undead?

  33. 33.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:   Ohhh.  I wonder what Henry Winkler thinks, but from what I’ve seen/read, he is much too nice to say.

  34. 34.

    Jay C

    December 7, 2021 at 6:17 pm

    @eclare:

    Well, Milwaukee’s “Bronze Fonz” doesn’t look much like Henry Winkler: which I imagine they did on purpose so he wouldn’t be tempted to sue them…..

    (Though who, exactly, “owns” the IP for the “Fonzie” character is a good question)

  35. 35.

    Tom Levenson

    December 7, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Dear FSM in its Colander! That is freaking terrifying.

  36. 36.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    @eclare: Most of the redevelopment of Milwaukee’s riverfront has been very well done.  This is a glaring exception.  If anything, it is worse in person.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 7, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: that reminded me of Scary Lucy, but I didn’t know it had been replaced.

  38. 38.

    Ken

    December 7, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    There is probably a Tim Burton animated movie where all these horror statues come alive one night a year and get together to… well, I don’t know. Since it’s a Tim Burton movie, probably to weep that they never really made a connection with their fathers.

  39. 39.

    debbie

    December 7, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    Reminds me of the restored Monkey Jesus.

  40. 40.

    lowtechcyclist

    December 7, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    @Jay C:  Now that one’s gonna give me nightmares.

  41. 41.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    I’m loving these hilarious statues. I was going to post Tsereteli’s Peter the Great, but it looks like a masterpiece compared to some of these.
    This Lady with a Dog monument is pretty bad, but not as scary as Lucy.
    https://en.travelcrimea.com/history-and-culture/20190322/76249.html

  42. 42.

    Geoduck

    December 7, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    Here in SW Washington State, we have the infamous Uncle Sam billboard alongside I-5. It’s been there for 50 years now.

  43. 43.

    germy

    December 7, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_von_Braunhut

    Harold Nathan Braunhut (March 31, 1926 – November 28, 2003), also known as Harold von Braunhut, was an American mail-order marketer, and inventor most famous as the creator and seller of both the Amazing Sea-Monkeys and the X-Ray Specs.

    The Washington Post stated in a report that, despite his Jewish ethnicity, he had a close association with white supremacist groups, buying firearms for a Ku Klux Klan faction and regularly attending the Aryan Nations annual conference.

    No statues dedicated to him, but he made a fortune from gullible kids.

  44. 44.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    @Geoduck: Gaa. The eyes are like a Byzantine icon.

  45. 45.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:29 pm

    @germy: I wanted those Sea Monkeys so damn bad. Luckily my mother had common sense.

  46. 46.

    germy

    December 7, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I sent away for a lot of junk, but I never bought the sea monkeys.  I loved the cartoon illustration of the sea monkey family, though.

  47. 47.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:   Google stuff about the art at DIA, there is some really creepy Hieronymus Bosch type stuff.

    Be prepared to go down a very long rabbit hole.

  48. 48.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2021 at 6:35 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Someone on this site recently accused me of being the kind of person who bought sea monkeys as a child.  It was in response to my rejecting some doomsday theory or another.  I never showed the least interest in having sea monkeys.

  49. 49.

    cain

    December 7, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    @germy: ​Amazing Sea-Monkeys and the X-Ray Specs.

     

    Whaaa??! I actually bought the sea monkey thing. I was like wtf is this! Glad I didn’t get the x-Ray Specs. They were regular ads on comic books back in the early 80s.
    I’m kind of pissed that I helped fund white supremacy.

  50. 50.

    Soprano2

    December 7, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    @Yutsano: I had a treatment like that a few years ago. It helped me a lot, I hope you get relief.

  51. 51.

    cain

    December 7, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: That was me :( :( :(

  52. 52.

    germy

    December 7, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    @cain:

    You had no way of knowing.

    I was a big reader of DC comics in the 1960s, so I saw all those ads:  “Throw your voice!”  “Mystery box!” “X-Ray Specs!”

    They got rich, 75 cents at a time.

  53. 53.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @germy: Those crowns!

  54. 54.

    Kalakal

    December 7, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    Not so much hideous as ridiculous.

    And of a far, far better person than Forrest

    BBC News – Belgrade’s ‘tiny head’ Gagarin statue causes dismay
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-43701570

  55. 55.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Good for you!

  56. 56.

    Carol

    December 7, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    What is Lulu going to pee on now?

  57. 57.

    germy

    December 7, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    The sea monkey mom was very elegant and demure, as I recall.

  58. 58.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:43 pm

    I think she had long eyelashes.

  59. 59.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 7, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    @germy: I sent away for stuff from those tiny ads at the back of Popular Science. Never comics, because my mother thought they were worthless.

    If she were alive I’d tell her about a co-worker who sold off a bunch of comic books and bought himself a beautiful vintage MG-B.

  60. 60.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    @Carol:  Good question!

  61. 61.

    Kalakal

    December 7, 2021 at 6:45 pm

     

    @Yutsano:  I had some shots like that years ago, helped me a lot, hope they do the same for you

  62. 62.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    @germy:
    I see I misremembered the crowns. They looked like crowns, but they were excrescences from their heads. Mom does in fact have false eyelashes, I think.
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/867057959/sea-monkeys-vintage-comicbook-ad?

  63. 63.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    @cain: @cain:  Wait, you bought sea monkeys and then had the sheer unmitigated gall to accuse me of sea monkey buying?  Consider yourself cancelled, bruh.

  64. 64.

    germy

    December 7, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I had a habit of doodling and sketching in my DC and MAD comics, rendering them worthless to collectors today.

  65. 65.

    Ken

    December 7, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    @cain: I actually bought the sea monkey thing. I was like wtf is this!

    Brine shrimp do not, in fact, stand on two legs, nor do they have human faces.

    (I image-searched to verify my recollection of the ad; I see that people are selling reproductions of the ad for more than the sea monkeys cost.)

  66. 66.

    Kalakal

    December 7, 2021 at 6:47 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Dear god, surely that isn’t for real? I can’t stop laughing

  67. 67.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    @germy: I have a huge pile of MAD going back to the JFK administration, but they’re in pretty ragged shape. I use them in my teaching.

  68. 68.

    zhena gogolia

    December 7, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s positively trumpian.

  69. 69.

    trollhattan

    December 7, 2021 at 6:51 pm

    @Ken:

    Amused reminding myself of the brine shrimp hatchery I once had, to use the little critters (and out of the egg they’re really, really little) for feeding baby tropical fish.

    You could buy live adults from aquarium shops–they came from Utah or San Francisco–or frozen into the convenient lump.

    They neither ate bananas nor went “Eee-eee-eee.”

  70. 70.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:52 pm

    @zhena gogolia:  Awesome!  My dad got them, and I always loved the back inside cover “fold-it” cartoon.

    I was too young to get a lot of the other stuff, would love to see them now.

  71. 71.

    cain

    December 7, 2021 at 6:52 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I still have my comic book collection including first edition of the Killing Joke.  Not sure how much my comic book collection is work – maybe $1k?

  72. 72.

    germy

    December 7, 2021 at 6:53 pm

    @eclare:

    And Al Jaffee is still alive today.  100 years old.  He was the MAD fold-in guy.

  73. 73.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 7, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I wonder who’s honoring the lifetime guarantee these days.

  74. 74.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    @germy:   That is somehow comforting.

  75. 75.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 7, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    @cain: Once I was old enough not to care what my mother thought I started buying “comix” instead. But those are long gone – other than Zap I fondly remember one called Deviant Slice. 

  76. 76.

    Geminid

    December 7, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    Former Senator David Perdue is challenging Brian Kemp for the Georgia Governor’s nomination, and I just watched his two and a half minute announcement video. What a creepy guy! There was an eerie, dystopian sound track that made me think I was being addressed by an evil robot. It was scary.

  77. 77.

    Kent

    December 7, 2021 at 7:26 pm

    @Geoduck:Here in SW Washington State, we have the infamous Uncle Sam billboard alongside I-5. It’s been there for 50 years now.

    We also have a Jefferson Davis  Park compete with a collection of confederate flage right along I-5 about an hour south. But just flags and monuments, no statues.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2017/06/steve_duin_still_stubbornly_fl.html

  78. 78.

    Shana

    December 7, 2021 at 7:34 pm

    Don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this, but Ralph Northam (D) and still governor of Virginia for another month or so, has announced he’s removing the plinth from the Robert E. Lee statue in Richmond and donating the land to the city. I believe he wanted to remove it before Youngkin could have all the graffiti removed.

  79. 79.

    Ohio Mom

    December 7, 2021 at 7:40 pm

    The only valuable issues of MAD are the very early ones. They didn’t print very many copies and no one had any idea they were worth saving.

    It’s pretty easy to find copies from the 1960’s on up in places like antique malls and comics shops. They are usually about $5 each (which means the person selling them to the reseller probably got only a dollar or two per issue).

    Ohio Son has a collection of (I’m guessing) well over a hundred. He grew out of MAD but back in the day they were very useful to me, as bribes (uh, “rewards”) and distractions during dicey moments (long car rides, visits to boring relatives, any time his patience was stretched to his breaking point by circumstances that couldn’t be helped).

    MAD stopped publishing new issues a couple of years ago, though every now and then they do publish new special issues of collated old materials. I believe you can subscribe to a digital archive of all the issues, starting with the very rare first one; there is also a coffee table book of the full collection of Al Jaffe’s back page fold-ins.

    Finally, I highly recommend Al Jaffe’s memoir (the title escapes me at the moment). He has lived an incredible life.

  80. 80.

    Geminid

    December 7, 2021 at 7:40 pm

    @Shana: Northam is trying to get out ahead of Youngkin. Virginia has a large budget surplus, and Youngkin called on Northam to cut taxes in his new budget. Instead, Northam announced a 10% pay increase for Virginia teachers.

  81. 81.

    eclare

    December 7, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    @Ohio Mom:  Thanks for the info!  I’ll have to look for that memoir.

  82. 82.

    bk

    December 7, 2021 at 8:31 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Al Jaffe’s Mad Life

  83. 83.

    prostratedragon

    December 7, 2021 at 8:32 pm

    @Leto:  Archaic smile? Always thought that entering a hall full of those things would be a very weird experience.

  84. 84.

    stinger

    December 7, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    Just as I feared. Girls’ education under the Taliban:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-59565558

  85. 85.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 7, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    The laziest of all the Confederate monuments, which is either a statue of Nathan Bedford Forest or maybe 40 mufflers hastily stapled together, was taken down this morning.

    Burn in hell, beaten bitchass!

    Thank you for your previous service to 40 automobiles.

  86. 86.

    Geoduck

    December 7, 2021 at 8:39 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Al Jaffe managed to outlive Mad Magazine…

  87. 87.

    Dan B

    December 7, 2021 at 8:56 pm

    @Yutsano: Good to hear you’re feeling great!

  88. 88.

    Craig

    December 7, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    @Shana: I’m going to RVA next week for holiday time and am excited about going on a little removed monument ave tour.

  89. 89.

    Kosh III

    December 8, 2021 at 11:23 am

    The sensible folks here in Nashville cheered that this hideous statue is gone. Apparently it broke when it came down.
    There was the usual whinging about “erasing history.”

    The  artist reportedly said “someone needs to say a good word about slavery.”

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