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You are here: Home / Politics / GOP Death Cult / Late Night Open Thread: A ‘National Divorce’, the Latest Right-Wing Phantasy

Late Night Open Thread: A ‘National Divorce’, the Latest Right-Wing Phantasy

by Anne Laurie|  December 30, 202110:34 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: GOP Death Cult, Open Threads, Our Failed Media Experiment

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That would, in fact, be unconstitutional. https://t.co/PZzX0zuOBX

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) December 29, 2021

Even apart from the whole ‘tried that back in 1859, didn’t work then, hasn’t gotten any less complicated to implement since’ reality. But the dream of walking away from one’s tedious grown-up responsibilities (and maybe buying a Porsche, or at least a really tricked-out SUV) is such fun!

pic.twitter.com/VBOeh7qU0G

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) December 29, 2021

Because I generally take my right-wing social media second-hand, I don’t know how much traction the Claremont Institute thinks it’s getting here. But I have seen multiple sane-person comments pointing out that the Boer War, marvelous as it might be for table-top miniaturists, was not exactly a walkaway triumph for the Boers…

Trending questions for the day: Should Marvel recast the Black Panther and should the United States of America be destroyed?

What a website. pic.twitter.com/11GLJaXbQ3

— Starfish Who Just Wants To Grill (@IRHotTakes) December 29, 2021

i'm sure marge is serious about this in a completely delusional, nihilistic way, but i would like to see media and social media stop pretending she's worth discussing. pic.twitter.com/YiwgBfduEQ

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) December 29, 2021


a rep who lives in georgia should think very carefully about what happened to georgia the last time we attempted a "national divorce". pic.twitter.com/YzrnjC9Nwv

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) December 29, 2021

her schtick gets a lot less appealing when you understand that she's absolutely serious about violent and bloody authoritarian rule, she's not kidding around, and letting her off the hook with a euphemism like "national divorce" doesn't help anyone.

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) December 29, 2021

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  1. 1.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 30, 2021 at 11:09 pm

    I for one am glad there is one less Hari Raghavan in the state of California.

  2. 2.

    TheOtherHank

    December 30, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    These fucking people

  3. 3.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 30, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    Spokesperson for Gov. DeSandtits

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 30, 2021 at 11:15 pm

    Sen. Ted Cruz’s teenage daughter admits there’s some good things about having a famous dad, but she doesn’t always like living in his shadow. …

    “Also, a lot of people judge me based upon him at first glance,” she added, “but I really disagree with most of his views.”

    I don’t know why I was thinking of how Ron Reagan Jr used to troll his father today, but I was

    (when did the raw story become cluttered with ads like a British tabloid?)

  5. 5.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 30, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   Is that the same daughter as a ~12 year old was filmed flicking her father away with her fingers?

  6. 6.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 30, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: here’s his screed for why he’s leaving CA

    https://hariraghavan.com/0090c2645d2f4cbda95cc6cdbeec46e3

    I got to point #7 before I gave up.  Like every temporarily-embarrassed gazillionaire, he laments all the poor people around him, and wants to kick them hard, *hard* itellsya, *hard*.  He’s a GrOPer.  I went to Linkedin and looked at his picture.  Boy I hope he knows what he’s doing, moving his family to Florida.  He’s pretty damn brown — almost as brown as me.

  7. 7.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 30, 2021 at 11:21 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Maybe he’s not a GrOPer.  But he’s certainly an “economic conservative”, and that’s the same thing: he may lament the results (poor people, etc) but he loves the causes (low taxes for him).

  8. 8.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 30, 2021 at 11:21 pm

    @Chetan Murthy:   And he thinks things are better in Florida?  Like I said, there is one less of him in California, and so it is better for the rest of us here.

  9. 9.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 30, 2021 at 11:22 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: In FL, one presumes he will live in a gated community, drive everywhere, and hence never mix with the homeless.  His taxes will be low, and really, isn’t that the point?

  10. 10.

    Ken

    December 30, 2021 at 11:23 pm

    My understanding is that the Treasury isn’t set up to control what checks are issued. Pity, since it would be educational to demonstrate the effects of a “national divorce” by not sending any federal payments to anyone in Rep. Greene’s district for a couple of months.

  11. 11.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 30, 2021 at 11:26 pm

    So this dumbass wants the United States to bomb the shit out of New CSA GA-14?

    Fucking imbecile.

  12. 12.

    Kent

    December 30, 2021 at 11:29 pm

    @Ken: They honestly would not give a fuck.  Witness red state GOPers turning down the ACA Medicaid expansion and turning down Covid unemployment reimbursments.

    When we lived in Texas I remember explaining to a bunch of my wife’s Physician colleagues (white GOP doctors) why their profit sharing retirement contributions were so much crappier that year.  It was because they worked for a public clinic and the state GOP had turned down Medicaid expansion which meant they were doing a shitload of indigent care for free rather than getting reimbursed for it by Medicaid.  Hence all their profits (and profit sharing) went up in smoke thanks to the GOP state legislature they all voted for.  Dipshits.  The still didn’t quite get it even when I explained it.

    In red states you have rich white Republicans who pay taxes and lots of poor white and people of color who get benefits.  They honestly don’t give a shit if those people in their communities suffer.

  13. 13.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    December 30, 2021 at 11:37 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ​
      Jr. was nothing compared to Patti’s trolling (photo) NSFW

  14. 14.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2021 at 11:42 pm

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Who was it who said her Mom gave the best blowjobs in Hollywood?

  15. 15.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    December 30, 2021 at 11:45 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: ​
      I think it was Redd Foxx

  16. 16.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    December 30, 2021 at 11:48 pm

    “Pay a tax for their sins”.

    Yes, this sounds completely sane and reasonable /

    Do they even hear themselves?

  17. 17.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 30, 2021 at 11:54 pm

    As a distraction for even a second or two:

    Stop what you’re doing and go to O’Reilly autoparts. Once there, enter 121G into the search bar.

  18. 18.

    BigJimSlade

    December 30, 2021 at 11:55 pm

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Were those Arnold’s hands? Enquiring minds want to know.

  19. 19.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 30, 2021 at 11:55 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Ha!

  20. 20.

    terben

    December 30, 2021 at 11:57 pm

    Wait! Is Gonzalez talking about Trump and calling him a transplant?

  21. 21.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 30, 2021 at 11:58 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Silly bastards! ?

    Thanks for the laugh.

  22. 22.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    December 30, 2021 at 11:59 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    LOL!

    “When this thing gets up to 88 mph, you’re gonna see some serious shit”

    Probably should’ve saved that for April Fool’s Day imo

  23. 23.

    dmsilev

    December 31, 2021 at 12:00 am

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: I’m sure most of the readers bought that issue for the Bill Gates interview.

  24. 24.

    eclare

    December 31, 2021 at 12:02 am

    @HumboldtBlue:   Hahaha…that’s great!

  25. 25.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 31, 2021 at 12:05 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Stop hating on New Year’s Eve eve. :)

  26. 26.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 12:07 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Google has one too. Type in fresh prince of Bel Air and click the blue license plate.

  27. 27.

    The Dangerman

    December 31, 2021 at 12:11 am

    Works for me. Fuck, we already give them alimony in the form of disproportionate return on their taxes. When they actually have to pay their way on their own, I give them 2 years before they are tapped out.

    Also, since they are the ones walking, we get the kids, er, nukes.

  28. 28.

    Soprano2

    December 31, 2021 at 12:14 am

    @mrmoshpotato: That’s been around for awhile. Too bad they aren’t available! Their headquarters is a few miles from my house. We went to a Drury alum Christmas party at an O’Reilly’s house a couple of weeks ago.  ?? They live in the old money part of town.

  29. 29.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 12:15 am

    There can be no division in enjoying outtakes from Raiders of the Lost Ark

  30. 30.

    toine

    December 31, 2021 at 12:19 am

    It would actually be pretty funny when they realize they aren’t getting the house, car, 401K, child support or alimony…

  31. 31.

    VeniceRiley

    December 31, 2021 at 12:21 am

    @Kent: So very bingo. Doctors are only good at doctoring. Getting them in groups to create what is much like a law firm …. Outcomes predictable!

  32. 32.

    scav

    December 31, 2021 at 12:24 am

    FLexit?  TeXit? MOxit?

  33. 33.

    Peale

    December 31, 2021 at 12:26 am

    @toine: debating on the kids. Maybe they can have the colicky babies.

  34. 34.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 12:27 am

    Ben Shapiro does not realize he can, at times, be unintentionally Monty Python-esque.

    On that note, I watched a couple episodes of the Python doc on Netflix, and it was fascinating.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    December 31, 2021 at 12:27 am

    What about the religious space laser gap? Huh? Huh?

    //

    (There exists no vaccine against insanity.)

  36. 36.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 31, 2021 at 12:28 am

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I watched a couple episodes of the Python doc on Netflix, and it was fascinating

    I hadn’t heard of that. I’ll have to look for it.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 31, 2021 at 12:30 am

    @NotMax: and few effective therapeutics, at least that the infected will accept

  38. 38.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 31, 2021 at 12:35 am

    @Jerzy Russian:  And he thinks things are better in Florida? Like I said, there is one less of him in California, and so it is better for the rest of us here.

    No, he doesn’t, in the tweet quoted above he’s already bad mouthing the locals for how much worse they are than California, that’s why the Conservative are all screaming but we need to stop the Libs from moving to their precious Red States. ROLF

  39. 39.

    MisterForkbeard

    December 31, 2021 at 12:40 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I don’t want to go read his screed of “California sucks waaah” so I don’t know his reasons. But the problem with moving out of California is that your other options are generally just much worse and/or inhumane.

    Don’t like the homeless problem? I hope you like arresting them and shipping them to liberal states. Like having low covid numbers? Whoops. Want some kind of responsible public management of resources? Whoops. What about managing climate change? Whoops.

    Etc.

  40. 40.

    Mai Naem mobile

    December 31, 2021 at 12:42 am

    @The Dangerman: forget the nukes. We get to hang onto all the STEM educated folks who graduated from the elite colleges in blue states. They won’t even know to handle nukes.

    Hope Hari Raghavan gets to discover some inconvenient truths at the front row seats that he’s purchased for the screening of the upcoming blockbuster movie ‘Apocalypse Miami Under Ocean’

  41. 41.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 31, 2021 at 12:44 am

    @MisterForkbeard: Glancing over it this Dude Bros main complaint is Californians aren’t kissing his ass enough because he’s rich.

  42. 42.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 12:45 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    It’s very good, and I have learned so much.

    Fascinating people.

  43. 43.

    lurker

    December 31, 2021 at 12:46 am

    Am ignoring MTG and thus will not be much help on the topic of this post…

     

    Glad to hear people seem to be safe in CO – as much as can be hoped for – and sorry to hear about AngryBlackLady’s potential loss of stuff (that always sucks, even if it is better than losing a life)…

     

    Slightly off topic even for this thread, but regarding this post and this tweet:
    How to fix the politics problem
    puppies drunk wombats tweet

    Inquiring minds want to know: How does Betty Cracker know what drunk wombats sound like? … The mind boggles…

  44. 44.

    lurker

    December 31, 2021 at 12:47 am

    @HumboldtBlue: am now very curious about this… interesting idea and not something I had any clue was out there…

  45. 45.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 31, 2021 at 12:48 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Almost the Truth?

  46. 46.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 12:50 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes

  47. 47.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 12:55 am

    @lurker:

    It’s excellent.

  48. 48.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 31, 2021 at 1:02 am

    @HumboldtBlue: But no Sir Knight, I give it one star.

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 31, 2021 at 1:10 am

    @HumboldtBlue: What’s the name of this Monty Python documentary?  I can’t find it on Netflix.

    ETA – Found it, I think.

  50. 50.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 31, 2021 at 1:19 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    None at all.

    Disappointing.

  51. 51.

    phdesmond

    December 31, 2021 at 1:25 am

    @HumboldtBlue:

    then click backspace, and you get a different one.

  52. 52.

    cain

    December 31, 2021 at 1:57 am

    @Kent: They are being obtuse because it would mean that they would have to speak against their party. That’s a hard thing to do because if you admit they suck there, what else would suck?

  53. 53.

    cain

    December 31, 2021 at 1:58 am

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: ​
     
    Recent pictures show that someone has gone to the wrong plastic surgeon and done the wrong things.

  54. 54.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    December 31, 2021 at 1:59 am

    @BigJimSlade: Arnold isn’t that dark.  Here are some better shots (Photo 1)  (photo 2) NSFW

  55. 55.

    cain

    December 31, 2021 at 1:59 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): ​
     
    Since Blue states tend to cover for the red states. I’m more than happy not to give Red States any of our windfall- let them pick themselves up by their own bootstraps.

  56. 56.

    jnfr

    December 31, 2021 at 2:00 am

    I would go for a national divorce in a heartbeat if I could figure out a way to do it. But I can’t. We just aren’t split along clean geographical lines.

    As much as I wish we were.

  57. 57.

    patrick II

    December 31, 2021 at 2:32 am

    I read today that the justice department has not yet re-opened the presidential inauguration committee investigation that Bill Barr shut down during his tenure.  They have only until sometime in January to press charges (it has been five years) before the clock runs out.  I am not a lawyer, so I try not to say too much about legal issues, however, it seems that based on this and other decisions Garland has made regarding Barr, Garland cannot defer to Barr enough.  From my point of view, Garland the institutionalist is an absolute disaster with any decision that might be in conflict with his predecessor, Bill Barr.

  58. 58.

    patrick II

    December 31, 2021 at 2:42 am

    Mike Pompeo praises the effects of climate change on Arctic ice for creating new trade routes
    It is hard to believe that a man who so proudly broadcasts his ignorance was the Secretary of State of a once great nation.

  59. 59.

    sab

    December 31, 2021 at 2:54 am

    @patrick II: Isn’t most of the subartic land muskeg ( i.e. swamp) if there isn’t permafrost?

  60. 60.

    patrick II

    December 31, 2021 at 3:11 am

    @sab:
    Yes, Alaska, Canada, and Russia northern territories are made up of permafrost swamp. The Arctic itself is just floating ice — a giant iceberg essentially.

  61. 61.

    sab

    December 31, 2021 at 3:27 am

    @patrick II: So not so much huge development opportunities here. Just ships sailing through to elsewhere while the local communities sink.

    I finally cut off all communication with my RWNJ brother when he started singing Pompeo praises. Sort of a last straw.

  62. 62.

    sab

    December 31, 2021 at 3:39 am

    @patrick II: Putin has the same thought process. Northwest passage finally (!) while Siberia sinks. Gobsmacking idiocy combined with gobsmacking self-interestness is a scary combination in a high level government official.

  63. 63.

    sab

    December 31, 2021 at 4:16 am

    Ponyo my new-to-me pitbull is stressed ( possibly my fault, since I am on the internet in the middle of the night, instead of asleep.) So she is frantically sucking on a quilt, because she is so stressed. Not because of anything specific. Just because her life has been hard and everything slightly bad or even unusual triggers her. We all did not have idealic childhoods.

  64. 64.

    columbusqueen

    December 31, 2021 at 4:29 am

    I’m so tempted to get a huge truck, festoon it with Union battle flags & Sherman’s portraits, then barrel around MTG’s district while blasting “Marching Through Georgia.”

  65. 65.

    sab

    December 31, 2021 at 4:33 am

    @columbusqueen: I would say “you go girl” but that could  be dangerous to you. Keep safe

    ETA Do whatever, but still, keep safe.

  66. 66.

    eclare

    December 31, 2021 at 4:36 am

    @sab:   Poor pittie.

  67. 67.

    eclare

    December 31, 2021 at 4:40 am

    @columbusqueen:   I would not recommend that.  When I lived in ATL I would drive a couple hours to get to mountains to go hiking.  It is a different world.  I left ATL in 2004, and I imagine it has only gotten worse since then.

  68. 68.

    sab

    December 31, 2021 at 4:43 am

    @eclare: Pittie asleep now. I agree. Such a sweetie.

  69. 69.

    evodevo

    December 31, 2021 at 5:48 am

    @sab: ​
     Yep…with the extra added attraction that as it melts, it releases huge volumes of methane into the atmosphere, exponentially increasing global warming…

  70. 70.

    Geminid

    December 31, 2021 at 5:56 am

    @scav: NUTxit.

  71. 71.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    December 31, 2021 at 6:08 am

    It’s officially January 1st 2022 in New Zealand

  72. 72.

    matt the somewhat reasonable

    December 31, 2021 at 7:14 am

    Typically they call this kind of thing a civil war, not a divorce.

  73. 73.

    matt the somewhat reasonable

    December 31, 2021 at 7:16 am

    New I guess in the sense that they’re shorter routes to the same trade partners. It’s not like we suddenly discovered 19th century China hiding in the Arctic.

  74. 74.

    lowtechcyclist

    December 31, 2021 at 7:45 am

    A national divorce? Sure.

    Since they’re so big on the 1950s as having been America’s perfect era, we do a 1950s-style divorce.

    Since they’re the ones who want the divorce, they’re the ones who have to move out. We keep the property (the USA and possessions), they move off the premises (same), and we won’t even ask for alimony. They can keep all their income, and can go wherever they want in the rest of the world, but they can’t come back. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  75. 75.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 31, 2021 at 7:53 am

    @The Dangerman:

    Also, since they are the ones walking, we get the kids, er, nukes.

    Just as long as we don’t get them delivered at high speed by air.

  76. 76.

    lowtechcyclist

    December 31, 2021 at 7:58 am

    @jnfr: ​
     

    I would go for a national divorce in a heartbeat if I could figure out a way to do it. But I can’t. We just aren’t split along clean geographical lines.

    As much as I wish we were

    I’d be happy to carve out a territory for them composed of, say, the western 3/5 of the Dakotas and Nebraska, the eastern half of Wyoming (only the Eastern half because the hell if they’re getting Yellowstone) and the part of Montana directly north of the eastern half of Wyoming.

    It’s a pretty sizable chunk of territory, more than enough to set up a new nation in. But it’s also sparsely populated, so we could easily pay the relocation expenses of the current residents who didn’t want to be part of this grand experiment.

    And anyone in the rest of the country who was willing to renounce their U.S. citizenship would be free to move there and be part of the founding of this new nation.

  77. 77.

    Scuffletuffle

    December 31, 2021 at 8:07 am

    @HumboldtBlue: That’s awesome!

  78. 78.

    kindness

    December 31, 2021 at 11:54 am

    The Crazy Right Wing is simply throwing down it’s grievances so as to be able to point to them later defending themselves when they try to overturn the next election.  ‘See,  it’s out there!’ they think will cover their ass for treason.  Since the right specializes in projection, and the righties all know this, Marge is calling for some future civil war.  They think they’ll win it.  Cause they have the guns.

  79. 79.

    BigJimSlade

    December 31, 2021 at 12:14 pm

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Yeah, I figured if it were anybody famous you would see their face, I was just goofing.

  80. 80.

    Ramalama

    December 31, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    Tell the Supreme Court justices who are Catholic and of the more traditional ( no cafeteria for them, right? ) that the country’s getting a divorce.

    Oops. Mel Gibson – a Latin Mass advocate – a Latvocate – divorced his long suffering wife of like 97 children to bed a young hottie.

  81. 81.

    Jess

    December 31, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:  I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    I’m starting to think the Great Divorce is going to be the best or only option at some point soon. There’s just too much of an entrenched gap between red and blue (can a gap/trench be entrenched?). At the very least, I hope New England splits off and joins Canada.

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