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You are here: Home / Politics / Education / Late Night Open Thread: Glenn Youngkin, for Edumacation!!!!

Late Night Open Thread: Glenn Youngkin, for Edumacation!!!!

by Anne Laurie|  January 14, 20222:08 am| 54 Comments

This post is in: Education, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity

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Sumbitch won’t even be sworn in until the weekend, but his Repub minions are already full of ‘bright’ ideas…

Here is how the Lincoln – Frederick Douglass debate went, according to Virginia's edumacation reformers.
Douglass: Hey, old Lincoln, let my people go.
Lincoln: Ask not what my country can do for you, but what your country can do for me.

— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) January 14, 2022

See, you’re getting smarter already!

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  1. 1.

    sfinny

    January 14, 2022 at 2:25 am

    OK, I was in a complete snit about a work thing, but checked BJ and was reminded that someone actually wrote a bill about the wrong Lincoln/Douglass debates and thought…well at least I didn’t do that. Still pissed about the work thing, but it could be worse.

  2. 2.

    Shalimar

    January 14, 2022 at 2:25 am

    Well, Trump is a personal friend of Frederick Douglass. No one has ever heard of Stephen Douglas.

  3. 3.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 14, 2022 at 2:29 am

    This shit isn’t funny anymore.

    I got roasted for claiming the GOP was stealing our country and our political process and was told to “lighten up, Francis” less than two years ago and here it is in living color.

    Manchin and Sinema are cover, that’s all, corporate cover, and they aren’t the only Senators bought and paid for with a D or an I (King) by their name.

    Corporations own our political process, and they write our laws and the Supreme Court does the corporate bidding.

    Citizens United runs this country and come November we’re gonna see just how fucked up that will turn out to be.

    Jan. 6 was a dry run, they won’t need to storm a building in November, they’ll just have a state legislature ensure the election results are what the Kochs and Scaifes and the Devos’ want.

    The Senate rules are sacred, after all.

  4. 4.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 2:35 am

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I got roasted for claiming the GOP was stealing our country and our political process and was told to “lighten up, Francis” less than two years ago

    roasted here?  B/c much earlier than 2yr ago, I thought a number of the FPers had their hair-on-fire about precisely this.  Someplace else, sure, I believe it.  Even among liberals, people are all on a learning-curve as they figure out the enormous danger.  Many won’t make it up that curve before the danger explodes and takes our country down, b/c they started too late and are learning too slowly.

    It is what it is.

  5. 5.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 2:35 am

    @HumboldtBlue: I remember what Adam Silverman called TFG’s election: “a decapitation strike against our country’s government”.  He was right.

  6. 6.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 14, 2022 at 2:41 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Yes here, and it was a Silverman post, and I’m pretty sure it was his admonition and I may have sure as shit earned it, but it was very similar to the run-up to Nov. 2016, this shit stopped being funny in July or August that year when polls had Clinton trailing Trump.

    It is what it is, indeed.

    And it ain’t good.

  7. 7.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 2:45 am

    @HumboldtBlue: I’m surprised that Adam admonished you for it, but in any case, recently he wrote a post wherein he was pretty explicit, warning all vulnerable people and populations to make their plans to get to safety, be that in a Blue area/state, or overseas.  And to not underestimate the danger, and the *personal* dimension of that danger.  He couldn’t have been more explicit.

    Last time I started discussing flight, I hurt some feelings, and I don’t want to do that again.  But quite simply, the situation is almost certainly going to get really, really bad.  And so, you’re 100% right to be alarmed and hair-on-fire.

    I’m a little sad that I can’t find (or think of how to find, more exactly) a forum where people discuss how to plan for fleeing.  Ah, well.

  8. 8.

    eclare

    January 14, 2022 at 3:08 am

    No-vax out at AUS.  Good for AUS, he lied.

  9. 9.

    opiejeanne

    January 14, 2022 at 3:12 am

    @eclare: So, they kicked him out again? Good.

  10. 10.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 3:12 am

    @eclare: I was proud for AUS when they initially denied his visa.  This renews my pride for them.  They’re doing their best to make the rules apply to all, even a Princeling like Novaxx.  I certainly envy Aussies, with their (by comparison to the rest of the Anglosphere) well-functioning civil society and democracy in which the voice of the people was heard.

    I know all these things are relative, and for sure Aussies can and should have greater aspirations than this basic-level functioning of democracy.  But it’s still a great thing to see.

    P.S. Novaxx’s evident IDGAF attitude to the rules really irked me.

  11. 11.

    Viva BrisVegas

    January 14, 2022 at 3:14 am

    @eclare: Being as he is rich and well connected, he has lawyers who will appeal the decision.

    The question now is will he be allowed to continue in the Open while that goes on, or will he be put into detention?

  12. 12.

    eclare

    January 14, 2022 at 3:14 am

    @opiejeanne:  Potentially for three years.  Saw it first at The Guardian, up at CNN now.

  13. 13.

    Viva BrisVegas

    January 14, 2022 at 3:24 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I certainly envy Aussies, with their (by comparison to the rest of the Anglosphere) well-functioning civil society and democracy in which the voice of the people was heard.

    Everything is relative. The current LNP Federal government is at least as incompetent as any other right wing cabal and takes its talking points and strategy straight from the Republican Party. The Murdochs are, if anything, more pervasive and influential than they are in the US.

    If you want to see just how bad Australian politics can be, look up Clive Palmer, Peter Dutton and Craig Kelly.

    About the only thing we have going for us are compulsory voting, preferential voting and the Australian Electoral Commission. The LNP have all of those on their hit list.

  14. 14.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    January 14, 2022 at 3:27 am

    @Viva BrisVegas: he’s now under detention arrest.   He’ll seek an injunction to stay the order, but he’ll only have 2 to 3 days to obtain an hearing, let alone a favorable ruling.  Absent that he’ll be disqualified.

  15. 15.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    January 14, 2022 at 3:31 am

    Aussies are pissed.

    2 news anchors unleash profanity laced rant denouncing Joker (video)  (NSFW)

  16. 16.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 3:33 am

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: he’s already been detained?  I didn’t read that — just the expectation that he would be detained.

  17. 17.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 3:34 am

    @Viva BrisVegas: I understand, and agree with you that it’s not all sweetness and light in Oz.  Just … if this had happened in the US or the UK, I think it would have gotten swept under the rug, or at worst, he’d have been let out on some relaxed conditions while his lawyers dragged things out in court long enough for the Open to finish and him to leave.

  18. 18.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    January 14, 2022 at 3:38 am

    @Chetan Murthy:  It was reported on Australian Broadcast News that “without a valid visa, he is now an unlawful citizen and will be placed under forced detention.”

  19. 19.

    NotMax

    January 14, 2022 at 3:45 am

    FYI.

    Sirhan Sirhan, who assassinated presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, was denied parole Thursday by California’s governor, who said the killer remains a threat to the public and hasn’t taken responsibility for a crime that altered American history. Source

  20. 20.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 3:47 am

    @NotMax: There was a recent interview that got published, and it seemed pretty clear that, yeah, he hadn’t taken responsibility for his crime.  I’m glad they aren’t releasing him.

  21. 21.

    bjacques

    January 14, 2022 at 3:59 am

    @Chetan Murthy: I suspect that was the original plan until it came out about him having stopped in Spain on the way, and his flagrant disregard for COVID precautions. The missus is from Melbourne so we’ve been checking the news every night before going to bed.

    I could almost respect the “vaccine hesitant” if they otherwise took the pandemic seriously enough to take extra precautions, but they almost never do. And Notary Sojac didn’t.

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    January 14, 2022 at 4:00 am

    Can’t help but wonder, if his long shot bid had panned out, whether a Governor Elder would have done the same.

  23. 23.

    Pete Downunder

    January 14, 2022 at 4:03 am

    Oz immigration practices under current government are unbelievably harsh toward legitimate refugees and asylum seekers. The PM is only booting Novak because the polls show him that the electorate is fed up with his incompetence in dealing with the pandemic and hate Djokovick so it’s a winner to boot him out. The only good to come of this might be wider understanding of the poor treatment of refugees.

  24. 24.

    JoyceH

    January 14, 2022 at 4:04 am

    Is this Youngkin info available at some other site? NYT is paywalled.

  25. 25.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 14, 2022 at 4:07 am

    @JoyceH: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/01/virginia-republicans-to-introduce-bill-banning-teaching-the-work-of-lani-guinier-and-then-disband-the-session

    The post contains a list of the GrOPers’ proposals, and also has a link to a WaPo article (if you can read that).

  26. 26.

    Viva BrisVegas

    January 14, 2022 at 4:08 am

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: He is being interviewed by Immigration officials tomorrow morning. His lawyers are preparing an injunction against his deportation.

    At the moment he stays where he is. It’s likely the interview will not go well for Djokovic and the injunction will fail, so he may be in detention by either tomorrow or Sunday and leaving a few days after that.

  27. 27.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 14, 2022 at 4:08 am

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: He needs to fuck off into the Sun.  What a fucking prick.

  28. 28.

    NotMax

    January 14, 2022 at 4:12 am

    @JoyceH

    It’s mostly a puff piece summarizing his personal history.

  29. 29.

    bjacques

    January 14, 2022 at 4:51 am

    @NotMax: over on the Rice alumni FB page last November there was a small crowd saying not to jump to conclusions just because he’s a Republican. Welp…

  30. 30.

    Ruckus

    January 14, 2022 at 5:04 am

    @HumboldtBlue:

    You aren’t the only one.

    Many of us here have been saying this, in several different ways and for several different reasons. A lot of people see this. But we also see that working together, discussing the issues, working together to attempt to fix the issues is the only way to make any progress. The other side has a lot of money and has spent at least the last 3 decades making insane, asinine arguments for their cause, and they got so desperate that they attempted a coup. And that failed. They are now more desperate because they failed. Which happened for a number of reasons, first of which is their leader was/is a dumbass. Which makes sense because they are dumbasses. Which at this moment is not the most important issue. We are, as many keep saying and worrying about, close to the edge. But we aren’t standing on the edge of an abyss, we have some ability to recover, if we don’t run screaming into the night about how bad it was and has only gotten worse. We have to see what is possible, what can we do to get to better. The fight is not lost, it is ongoing. I for sure don’t have the answer and I think that’s because it’s not one answer. We had an armed attempt at an overthrow of our government. And it failed. We have an ongoing attempt by people of dubious intellect to continue the process. We are better than that, we have momentum. What we may not have is enough momentum but we need to work to keep that building, not crumbling.

    I’ve lived here for over 7 decades and I served my country, I’ve voted every time it was my turn, I believe that we can win. And I’m not ready to give that up.

  31. 31.

    NotMax

    January 14, 2022 at 5:05 am

    @bjacques

    I’m sure there will be enough to tar him with for which he bears direct responsibility but AFAIK he neither initiated nor endorsed the Lincoln-Douglas(s) nonsense.

    “I knew Mike Douglas was old but didn’t think he was that old.”

    //

  32. 32.

    John Revolta

    January 14, 2022 at 5:14 am

    @Ruckus: Well said.

  33. 33.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 14, 2022 at 5:21 am

    But we also see that working together, discussing the issues, working together to attempt to fix the issues is the only way to make any progress.

    That’s why we read this blog.

    As for your other salient points, I no longer have confidence the system we believed in and participated in will save us.

    I’m not the insightful smart guy here, it’s just smelled like shit for quite a while, and it smells even worse today.

  34. 34.

    bjacques

    January 14, 2022 at 5:34 am

    @NotMax: I doubt he’ll refute it, though, and risk getting crosswise with the mouth-breathers on his first day, any more than he tried to tamp down the manufactured outrage about CRT in schools during his campaign.

  35. 35.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 14, 2022 at 5:41 am

    Ozzyman has some thoughts on Djokovic. As do the Aussie news team.

  36. 36.

    Elizabelle

    January 14, 2022 at 5:56 am

    @Ruckus:   Applause, Ruckus.  Never give up.  The worst among us don’t, so we can’t either.

    Keeping President Biden and MVP Harris and Nancy Smash and all our good public servants in my thoughts.  It has to be very hard for them to keep trying for what little gains can be made, but they do.

    I wish Americans paid as much attention to their government — not the political horserace and gossip shit they get served up –actual functioning government, as they do to reality TV and sports.

    WRT the nonvoters: cynicism is so cheap.

  37. 37.

    WereBear

    January 14, 2022 at 6:25 am

    @Ruckus:I’ve voted every time it was my turn, I believe that we can win. And I’m not ready to give that up.

    @Elizabelle: The worst among us don’t, so we can’t either.

    As lovely a summing up as I’ve read to date. Including the fine book Midnight in Washington. (nice to see you, Ruckus!)

    The harder we work, the less luck and random chance have to do with it. And Russian interference, which can be insidious, like fanning the flames of fools worshiping rich fools.

  38. 38.

    raven

    January 14, 2022 at 6:35 am

    @Ruckus: It’s boring but I’ll remind folks I couldn’t vote for 16 months when I got out of the Army. I don’t miss.

  39. 39.

    Raven Onthill

    January 14, 2022 at 7:09 am

    Sinema believes she will be running to President in 2024. This self-styled bipartisanship she believes she speaks for, will be her brand to run as the candidate in the middle. Not far-left of far-right. She has convinced herself this is her calling and she has it. – Amy Siskind

    Who knows? It may work.

  40. 40.

    lowtechcyclist

    January 14, 2022 at 7:10 am

    @Ruckus:  I believe that we can win. And I’m not ready to give that up.

    I’m with you on this, but OTOH, I don’t blame people for wanting to think through a plan for how best to handle it if we do lose.

    I’m thinking the best bet would be for the Northeastern and West Coast states to secede, and ask Canada if it would mind letting them join.

  41. 41.

    debbie

    January 14, 2022 at 7:18 am

    @eclare:

    Yes, he did, that privileged prick. ?

  42. 42.

    Brantl

    January 14, 2022 at 7:22 am

    @Ruckus: They don’t know what a fight is, until they pick them with the people that have been in it for DECADES.

  43. 43.

    Ohio Mom

    January 14, 2022 at 7:22 am

    During the GW years, I considered what it would take for Ohio Family to leave our American citizenship behind. It didn’t take long to realize that we are not emigrant material. No one would want us (well, except Israel and talk about into a frying pan), and for a variety of reasons, we couldn’t pull off the sneak-in-and-be-a-menial-worker thing.

    My only hope is that too much upheaval is bad for business, so there will be some limits on imposed on how much chaos is permitted.

  44. 44.

    debbie

    January 14, 2022 at 7:23 am

    @raven:

    It’s not boring. What was the reason?

  45. 45.

    sab

    January 14, 2022 at 7:28 am

    @Ohio Mom: My Chinese brother in law, who lived through the Cultural Revolution, politely sneers at us through our political upheavals. I hope he is right to minimize it.

  46. 46.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    January 14, 2022 at 7:29 am

    @debbie: he wasn’t 21

  47. 47.

    debbie

    January 14, 2022 at 7:53 am

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:

    I was alive back then, and I remember them screwing around with voting and drinking ages, from 21 to 18 and then back to 21 (I was living in MA at that time). I know I didn’t benefit by the changes in the drinking age, but I can’t remember if the changes also messed with my voting rights.

  48. 48.

    Baud

    January 14, 2022 at 7:55 am

    @debbie:

    but I can’t remember if the changes messed with my voting rights.

     
    All that drinking affects one’s memory.

  49. 49.

    debbie

    January 14, 2022 at 7:58 am

    @Baud:

    A valid point.

  50. 50.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    January 14, 2022 at 9:46 am

    @debbie: Tell me about it.

  51. 51.

    J R in WV

    January 14, 2022 at 11:21 am

    I have to admit I may have missed a couple of elections as I was discharged from the Navy and moved back to WV. Never voted for Nixon, was still in Pascagoula for the ’72 election, didn’t see any point in voting in Mississippi.

    Since we settled down here in our home state I think the only election I missed voting in was a bond levy, which I knew was going to pass — it was the levy that supports EMS ambulance and VFD services, which always passes as people know that’s a set of services that when you need them, you REALLY need them.

    And of course, now WV has turned scarlet red, electing dammed fools to both the state legislature and congress. And “Coal Man” Jim Justice to the Governor’s office! So we contribute to various congressional races all over the country, and as a result I get a shit-ton of email from total strangers.

    We were both really glad to see the new indictments yesterday. I see that Elmer Stewart Rhodes III was actually on the phone with a lawyer when the FBI stopped by the house to ARREST HIM — what a great and funny coincidence! I begin to think AG GArland and his investigators AND the grand juries in DC will follow the evidence however high it leads them.

  52. 52.

    Czar Chasm

    January 14, 2022 at 1:16 pm

    The Delegate that proposed this bill represents an area along the VA-NC border, which is VERY red (usually no blue candidate is run), so he can safely propose this inane shite with no fear of repercussion.  It’s not likely to leave committee:  There are still some Republicans that are pretty moderate when it comes to education, it’s one of the reasons why charter schools haven’t done well here.

  53. 53.

    dopey-o

    January 14, 2022 at 3:28 pm

    @Raven Onthill:

    Sinema believes she will be running to President in 2024. This self-styled bipartisanship she believes she speaks for, will be her brand to run as the candidate in the middle. Not far-left of far-right. She has convinced herself this is her calling and she has it. – Amy Siskind

    Who knows? It may work.

    over my dead body.

  54. 54.

    alikins

    January 14, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    @JoyceH: Put https://12ft.io/ in front of the URL or add it directly from the 12ft.io site to get around paywalls.

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