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You are here: Home / Humorous / Saturday Night Open Thread: Another Excellent Relocation

Saturday Night Open Thread: Another Excellent Relocation

by Anne Laurie|  January 22, 20228:01 pm| 149 Comments

This post is in: Humorous, Open Threads, Popular Culture

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A statue of Theodore Roosevelt was removed overnight from its spot outside the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. The statue depicts Roosevelt riding a horse, as two nameless African and Native American men flank him on foot. https://t.co/KqLwUHcY6n

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 20, 2022

The usual suspects, of course, are outraged. Especially the ones who only knew about the American Museum of Natural History — and, possibly, Teddy Roosevelt — because of those terrible ‘Night at the Museum’ movies. But the AMNH was one of the lodestones of my childhood, and I can assure you: That statue was considered an embarrassment even fifty years ago. It will *not* be missed in NYC. And it’s found a much more culturally appropriate home elsewhere:

… The towering bronze statue depicts Roosevelt riding a horse, as two nameless African and Native American men flank him on foot.

It has provoked strong debate in the city, as many criticized the apparent subservience of the pair to the White man in the center — calling the scene a symbol of racism and colonialism.

“The statue was meant to celebrate Theodore Roosevelt … as a devoted naturalist and author of works on natural history,” the museum website has said about the removal. “At the same time, the statue itself communicates a racial hierarchy that the Museum and members of the public have long found disturbing.”…

The Roosevelt statue will be on long-term loan to the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library due to open in 2026, in North Dakota, where Roosevelt spent time in the Badlands. The presidential library was termed “a fitting new home” by New York City officials when the decision was made last year, noting it could be “appropriately contextualized” there.

Library trustees agreed the statue was “problematic in its composition” and said in a statement they would be establishing an advisory council comprising representatives from Indigenous and Black communities, historians, scholars, and artists to determine next steps…

For the moment, white supremacist ‘history enthusiasts’ can combine a trip to check up on ol’ Teedy with their pilgrimage to Kristi Noem’s Mount Rushmore. And once the country has recovered from the current political extinction burst, the TR Library can quietly relocate the statue, possibly as a marker to the restrooms.

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  1. 1.

    japa21

    January 22, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    Will Trump be on Mt. Rushmore by then?

    Also, interesting post to follow the previous one.

  2. 2.

    Scout211

    January 22, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    Good for the museum to (finally) remove the statue. But the very mention of Mt. Rushmore gives me a flashback to TFG standing in front of it smirking, ready for his face to be added. Ugh. What was that, a 4th of July celebration? ::shudder::

    ETA:  I guess japa21 had the same flashback.

  3. 3.

    trollhattan

    January 22, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    Tshirt weather and Big Sur is on fire again.

    January in California.

  4. 4.

    Yarrow

    January 22, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    Pretty sure I have some Teddy Roosevelt campaign swag in a box somewhere. I wonder if it’s worth anything.

  5. 5.

    The Dangerman

    January 22, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    @japa21: Mount Rushmore? Not a chance. Bandini Mountain*?  Much more appropriate.

    *This might be a regional/California thing.

  6. 6.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 22, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Big Sur is on fire again.

    Oh shit.

  7. 7.

    Benw

    January 22, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    NYC announced it (it meaning the TR statue, not it meaning NYC) will be replaced by a statue of Subcomandante Marcos smoking a pipe on top of a horse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcomandante_Marcos

  8. 8.

    kindness

    January 22, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    As a kid we went to the AMNH & the Hayden Planetarium (same block) almost every year.  Kudos for the museum for recognizing the statue of Teddy wasn’t his best.

  9. 9.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 22, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    posted this in an earlier thread that spluttered out:

    DougJ flagged this, and I honestly thought he had made it up, but the details were too specific.

    On a chilly Tuesday afternoon this month, James Marsh stopped by a Chipotle near his suburban Chicago home to grab something to eat.
    It had been a while since Mr. Marsh had been to Chipotle — he estimated he goes five times a year — and he stopped cold when he saw the prices.
    “I had been getting my usual, a steak burrito, which had been maybe in the mid-$8 range,” said Mr. Marsh, who trades stock options at his home in Hinsdale, Ill. “Now it was more than $9.”
    He walked out.
    “I figured I’d find something at home,” he said.

    An options trader from his home in Hinsdale, where the median home price, google tells me, is $1.1million, walked out of Chipotle over ~75 cents.

    I googled James Marsh Hinsdale to see if this story was real– it is, it’s The New York Times, which I have to finally stop even half-ass defending here– and durn me if the first thing that came up, even before the NTY story, wasn’t the details of Mr Marsh’s PPP loan of $9,600. And if Mr Marsh’s income is $46K/yr, I’ll eat both our hats and buy him a thousand dollar Chipotle gift certificate.

    How can anyone like this– presumably a college-educated guy who knows about the internet– not see that giving their real name to the NYT, over 75 cents, isn’t inviting the wrath of the on-line hordes? How did no editor, even one unfamiliar with the leafier Chicago suburbs, ask “Your big lede on inflation is an options trader who works from home bitching about a 75 cent increase in the cost of his burrito?”

  10. 10.

    SpaceUnit

    January 22, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    I want to commission a statue of President Obama lounging back in an armchair and using some bucktoothed hillbilly for a footstool.

  11. 11.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    Is this an open thread?

    In the FTFNYT, on Andre Leon Talley:

    As André said about his advice, “I AM NEVER WRONG!” He advised all women to moisturize their skin as well as Melania Trump, although, increasingly appalled with the racism he saw in the Trump White House, he instructed me: “We are never to talk about her again. She is nouveau riche trash.”

  12. 12.

    Ken

    January 22, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    @Suzanne: So sort of “She’s a terrible person and you shouldn’t admire her — except for those pores!“

  13. 13.

    MagdaInBlack

    January 22, 2022 at 8:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Knowing Hin$dale, I’m curious what he drove to this now over priced Chipotle. Range Rover, Jag, or Porsche suv?

    Typical bs

  14. 14.

    debbie

    January 22, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Loved that man!

  15. 15.

    Baud

    January 22, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    @Suzanne:

    He advised all women to moisturize their skin as well as Melania Trump,

    Why did he recommend that women moisturize Melania?

  16. 16.

    Steeplejack

    January 22, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    @Suzanne:

    C’mon, man. How about a Maureen Dowd trigger alert?! ?

  17. 17.

    Benw

    January 22, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    @Baud: haha excellent! Cream of the crop

  18. 18.

    Ohio Mom

    January 22, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    @Scout211:

    I stopped by Mt. Rushmore once, while driving to Seattle, and I have a photo like Trump’s, a shot of my head lined up next to Lincoln’s. I’m smiling though, not smirking.

    Its like those photos of people holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Even as you are posing, there are people around you doing the same thing.

  19. 19.

    persistentillusion

    January 22, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Former Hinsdale resident; Merc trader assholes are thick upon the ground in the western suburbs served by the Burlington Northern

    ETA: douchebaggery runs amuck with those nitwits.

  20. 20.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 22, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    @Suzanne: does she “moisturize” like she was in the hospital for a week for a “kidney ailment”, and as I recall the Presidential motorcade never came near the hospital?

     

    @MagdaInBlack: Heh, when I read the first part of your comment, my first thought was “Range Rover”

    the PPP detective link gives his home address, not usually something I approve of, but he works from home and applied for public funds so….

    I’m sure his wife and the neighbors are thrilled

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    January 22, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    @Baud: Insert a very unkind statement about Melania here.

  22. 22.

    Brachiator

    January 22, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    This article contains a brief video about the statue and how people have viewed it. I guess it was inevitable that it would be seen as racist no matter what the intention of the artist might have been. Many people see the elevation of Roosevelt on horseback as by definition making the two standing figures subservient to him.

  23. 23.

    opiejeanne

    January 22, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    @SpaceUnit: Hey! Leave my relatives out of this! some of them are very fine people.

  24. 24.

    Urza

    January 22, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    @SpaceUnit: Only if he’s in a tan suit.

  25. 25.

    opiejeanne

    January 22, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    @Urza: The Romans used to paint their statues, so I’d agree with that.

  26. 26.

    Brachiator

    January 22, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @Suzanne:

    he instructed me: “We are never to talk about her again. She is nouveau riche trash.”

    This reminds me, I think HBOs “The Gilded Age” begins on Monday, which features old rich trash.

  27. 27.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 9:07 pm

    because of those terrible ‘Night at the Museum’ movies.

    I thought they were pretty funny ?

    And now I just remembered Robin Williams played Teddy Roosevelt in those movie

    But yeah, that statue is pretty yikes tbh. Glad it’s being removed

  28. 28.

    James E Powell

    January 22, 2022 at 9:07 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Online research found one of Mr. Marsh’s posts praising the burritos at a place where they are $16 & 17.

    He is an asshole with money and an ax to grind against Democrats. Therefore, according to the editorial policies of the FTFNYT, he qualifies as a RealAmerican® who bullshit can be taken as the consensus views of the whole nation.

  29. 29.

    lowtechcyclist

    January 22, 2022 at 9:10 pm

    I’m so glad it’s been years since I let my FTFNYT subscription lapse.  Just seems they get more atrocious all the time.

  30. 30.

    Ella in New Mexico

    January 22, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    TR actually did a lot of good things for America. We have so much public land preserved because of him.

    Is there a way to recongize that without the horrible racist statue?

  31. 31.

    lowtechcyclist

    January 22, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    @Baud: Why did he recommend that women moisturize Melania?

    Maybe Melania could be moisturized by dropping her into the middle of the Pacific.

  32. 32.

    delk

    January 22, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    Just “Zillow-ed “ Hinsdale and yeah, I ‘m staying in the city.  And bonus: no chitpole nearby. Plenty of taco and burrito places though.

  33. 33.

    Joe Falco

    January 22, 2022 at 9:14 pm

    @SpaceUnit:

    Make sure there’s a sign on the hillbilly that reads, “The White Man’s Burden”.

  34. 34.

    lowtechcyclist

    January 22, 2022 at 9:14 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico: We have so much pubic land preserved because of him.

    That national park down near the Delta of Venus gets lots of visitors each year, I’m told.

    ETA: Damn, you fixed the typo!

  35. 35.

    SpaceUnit

    January 22, 2022 at 9:15 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    trust me, I’ve got hillbilly bona fides to spare.

  36. 36.

    RaflW

    January 22, 2022 at 9:17 pm

    This is somewhat apropos the thread. I’d seen in passing the other day that ol’ Newtie is rearing up again, as the GOP gathers together their flowing white robery. And then I was reminded that I’d shared this TNC quote ten years ago this week on a social media platform.

    Ta-Nehisi Coates tells it about Gingrich and his supporters:
    “When a professor of history calls Barack Obama a ‘Food Stamp President,’ it isn’t a mistake to be remedied through clarification; it is a statement of aggression. And when a crowd of his admirers cheer him on, they are neither deluded, nor in need of forgiveness, nor absolution, nor acting against their interest. Racism is their interest. They are not your misguided friends. They are your fully intelligent adversaries, sporting the broad range of virtue and vice we see in humankind.”

  37. 37.

    Sure Lurkalot

    January 22, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    @James E Powell: I won’t ask how you did it but your words = my exact thoughts.

    He is an asshole with money and an ax to grind against Democrats. Therefore, according to the editorial policies of the FTFNYT, he qualifies as a RealAmerican® who bullshit can be taken as the consensus views of the whole nation.

    I just got an mailer from the NYT in addition to almost daily emails with some cheap offer to come back. I renewed WAPO for $10 for the year and I’m inches from canceling that too. The new editor there is awful.

  38. 38.

    Anne Laurie

    January 22, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico: Teddy’s been a favorite of mine since I was old enough to understand the concept of ‘President’ — a man of large virtues and embarrassing philosophies.  Quite literally; my parents took me to the TR Homestead in NYC and bought me a tiny Steiff teddy bear souvenir when I was about five.

    Learning to sort the good he did, like establishing the National Park system & the Pure Foods Act, from his many flaws as a politician & a parent, was one of my first lessons in ‘grown up’ politics.  And here I are, today!

  39. 39.

    SpaceUnit

    January 22, 2022 at 9:21 pm

    @Urza:

    Hell yes!

  40. 40.

    M31

    January 22, 2022 at 9:23 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    yeah I did the 10$/year at WaPo, and got sick of it within a week

    LOL if you go to cancel they offer you another year for $10 (instead of going up to the normal $150)

    But every time I go to the homepage I get so mad. It’s not NYT level but that’s a pretty low bar lol

  41. 41.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 22, 2022 at 9:25 pm

    @RaflW: Yup. There was a sub-thread of birtherism that demanded Obama and/or Harvard release Obama’s grades, the barely concealed subtext being that a black guy couldn’t have gotten into Harvard College and later law school on merit. One of the cheerleaders for this was Matt “Bootstraps” Romney, son of Governor of Massachusetts and mega-millionaire  Willard “Mitt” Romney, himself the son of auotomotive CEO, Michigan governor, cabinet secretary and President manqué George, who actually did come from poverty.

    I think the trump spawn actually tried to push it too, for a while

  42. 42.

    SpaceUnit

    January 22, 2022 at 9:25 pm

    @Joe Falco:

    Perfect.  Only I can’t decide if the hillbilly’s face should express sorrow and misery or a dipshit ear-to-ear grin.

  43. 43.

    divF

    January 22, 2022 at 9:26 pm

    @Baud:

    Obligatory, from Horse Feathers

    Wagstaff’s receptionist: The Dean is furious! He’s waxing wroth!

    Wagstaff: Is Roth out there, too? Tell Roth to wax the Dean for awhile.

  44. 44.

    hells littlest angel

    January 22, 2022 at 9:31 pm

    … the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library due to open in 2026 …

     

    Man, he was really not good at fundraising.

  45. 45.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    Been to that museum dozens of times over the years and have absolutely no memory of seeing that statue. Probably a result of using the museum entry in the subway station below.

    Had the Clifford Berryman’s cartoon not captured the public’s fancy, might little ones even today be clutching a Teddy moose? Teddy rhinos?

    ;)

    Pictures of some of TR’s post-White House wild game hunting.

  46. 46.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 9:33 pm

    @Anne Laurie: And his son was the real deal.

    Roosevelt is known for his World War IIservice, including the directing of troops at Utah Beach during the Normandy landings, for which he received the Medal of Honor.

  47. 47.

    Ohio Mom

    January 22, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    @Brachiator: That is a great video. It raises questions and then shows there are multiple, educated ways to look at possible answers.

    It’s interesting to compare the experts in history, art and museums wrestling with what should be done with the Roosevelt monument, with the knee jerk explosions we saw about the removal of Confederate monuments. Some of the same issues but discussed on completely different level. One discussion leaves you with a deeper understanding, the other shuts down all further discourse.

    I visited the Museum of Natural History quite often growing up but I always used the entrance that connects the Museum’s basement floor with the subway. It always seemed magical to leave the B train and enter all the places represented in the exhibitions: to go back to the age of dinosaurs, visit Africa and the South Pacific, go under the ocean and stand beneath the whale, and so on.

    So that Roosevelt Monument was not part of my consciousness, really.

    I wonder how it will fare in North Dakota. You’d like to think the people there will eventually evolve to the place New Yorkers have already arrived at — I think we can assume the area Native American community won’t be thrilled by its arrival

    ETA: I see NotMax took the same route.

  48. 48.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 9:36 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Lotsa people didn’t like the Wall when it went up.

  49. 49.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Oh god, birtherism. Back when Trump was just some loud mouthed racist buffoon celebrity instead of the cult leader we know him to be today

  50. 50.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    @trollhattan:

    It was 65 degrees here today, we’ve had a week of extraordinary warm weather, and it’s gonna go on for a few more days due to a weird high pressure system.

    We may have set a record high today, I haven’t checked.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 9:40 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico

    Grey Towers national historic site in Milford, PA, which includes the Gifford Pinchot house.

  52. 52.

    Miss Bianca

    January 22, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    @Baud: The only response I can think of to this is utterly disgusting.

  53. 53.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 9:43 pm

    @raven: ​ 

    He was removed from command of the Big Red 1 because they were so rowdy and he refused to be a disciplinarian, and then ended up walking the beach on D-Day as the first general officer on the beach.

    He would soon die of a heart attack, and his letters to his wife are filled with some absolutely wonderful prose. He was an interesting man.

  54. 54.

    Miss Bianca

    January 22, 2022 at 9:44 pm

    @Anne Laurie: That’s how I feel about him, too.

  55. 55.

    Ohio Mom

    January 22, 2022 at 9:46 pm

    @raven: You must have heard the story that the sculptor, Maya Lin, entered the Memorial design contest because it was an assignment in a college class she was taking — a class she ended up only getting a B in.

    One day I’ll remember how to embed links: https://lithub.com/when-maya-lin-got-a-b-despite-winning-the-vietnam-memorial-design/

  56. 56.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 9:48 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: He was the only general officer who landed on the beaches of Normandy and it was with the 4th ID (Ivy Division)

  57. 57.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 9:48 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Oh yea. This was the 10th Anniversary.

  58. 58.

    Librarian

    January 22, 2022 at 9:50 pm

    I just wanted to say that TR is one of my favorite presidents, because of the conservation and other progressive domestic policies. He established the principle that the federal government is responsible for the well being of the people. He was a precursor to his cousin in his policies. As for the statue, I visited the museum once in a school field trip and have no memory of seeing it and did not know it existed until recently.

  59. 59.

    Kay

    January 22, 2022 at 9:53 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I like Melania’s Florida caftans. She looks like the wife of a deposed dictator who fled a country.

  60. 60.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 9:53 pm

    Had McKinley not been killed, T.R. might well have been relegated to the political obscurity the poobahs of the party intended for him by nominating him for the vice presidency.

    When history grows blasé with zigging, it’s more than jubilant to zag. And vice versa.

  61. 61.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 9:54 pm

    @raven:

    Norm Cota landed as well, on Omaha with the second wave of the 29th.

    Roosevelt was removed from 1ID while still in North Africa, I believe, and sent back to England before being given 4ID ahead of Normandy.

    Also, if you haven’t read Ian Toll’s Pacific War trilogy, I highly recommend it. I am getting close to the end of book three, and I will most assuredly read it again. So much detail, so well written

  62. 62.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 9:55 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: That and Atkinson’s Trilogy are great. My old man was in MacArthur’s Jungle Navy (he hated Dougout Doug) so my focus was on the Pacific for years  until I read

    A Measureless Peril: America in the Fight for the Atlantic, the Longest Battle of World War II by Richard Snow.

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 22, 2022 at 9:57 pm

    They are quitting a 70+ year-old, invitation-only, swanky Republican club because it is following the law in DC. Owning the libs by quitting their own club. pic.twitter.com/V3RUVB9CgO— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) January 21, 2022

    Oh Rand… You fake eye doctor, plague rat, pile of shit! Cry harder!

  64. 64.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 9:57 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    He was an interesting man for sure. I remember in HS I did a presentation on him where I used this clip from Histeria!

    Fun fact: the show this clip is from was done by Warner Bros Studios, in case it reminds you of Animaniacs : )

  65. 65.

    Ohio Mom

    January 22, 2022 at 9:57 pm

    @Librarian: Because you probably went in the school bus entrance in the back.

    @raven: The times I have been to the Vietnam War Memorial, there were other people, but not that many. It was quiet. The 10th Anniversary looks like a completely different experience.

  66. 66.

    MagdaInBlack

    January 22, 2022 at 9:59 pm

    @Anne Laurie: My interest in him came from camping at Theodore Roosevelt National Parks, both north and south unit, in ND.

    Beautiful country with an interesting history.

  67. 67.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 9:59 pm

    @Kay

    Not perhaps Three’s Company‘s Mrs. Roper?

    :)

  68. 68.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:00 pm

    @Ohio Mom: If I’m there other than Veterans Day I only go late at night.  This isn’t the best picture but it’s John Kerry giving “remarks”.

    I also was able to be part of the reading of the names and scheduled it so I could read my friends name at about 3am

    Also, Country Joe did a song and Rocky Bleier spoke that day.

  69. 69.

    Ohio Mom

    January 22, 2022 at 10:03 pm

    @raven: I see him. Even if he is a blur, he has a certain posture.

  70. 70.

    debbie

    January 22, 2022 at 10:04 pm

    @raven:

    I honestly can’t think of a more appropriate monument to that war.

  71. 71.

    Leto

    January 22, 2022 at 10:04 pm

    The Atlantic: RETURN THE NATIONAL PARKS TO THE TRIBES. Pretty much sums up my feelings towards TR’s brand of “conservation”. Like so much of America, our National Parks were simply land taken from Native Americans for the pleasure of whites.

  72. 72.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:05 pm

    @debbie: “The Black Gash of Shame”

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 10:07 pm

    Anyone ever watch any of NOS4A2? The few descriptions have perused simultaneously give off vibes of it being intriguing and/or downright awful.

  74. 74.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 10:11 pm

    @raven:

    I will definitely get to Snow and I’ve read Atkinson twice.

    If you’re looking for interesting documentaries, two or three years ago I found Army University Press on YouTube and they do interesting videos on campaigns from WW2 and Korea.

    I thoroughly enjoyed Liberation of Manila and Chipyong-ni in Korea.

  75. 75.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:12 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Cool, thanks. My old man was part of the Corregidor Op. 54 years ago this week I was on the Korean DMZ when the “Blue House Raid” and “Pueblo” happened.

  76. 76.

    James E Powell

    January 22, 2022 at 10:13 pm

    @raven:

    Ross Perot had a shit fit, congress creatures complained, and James Watt refused to issue the building permit.

    That’s why the Three Soldiers statue was added to that area.

    NB – I know you know this, @raven, but others may not.

  77. 77.

    Kay

    January 22, 2022 at 10:14 pm

    @NotMax:

    Well, see for yourself.

  78. 78.

    frosty

    January 22, 2022 at 10:14 pm

    @raven: Yep. When he realized they’d landed four miles from where they were supposed to be, Roosevelt’s response was “We’ll start the war from right here.”

  79. 79.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:15 pm

    @Ohio Mom: There’s a great documentary about Maya Lin. She’s been on the selection committee for a number of other really prominent projects, including the 9/11 memorial in New York. All of them are pale imitations of her work.

    The brilliance of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial is that it stitches the names together into one big aesthetic move meant to convey scale and time. There’s been a lot of imitators ever since that inscribe names, but they fail, in my view, because the names don’t come together as a singular thing. It’s meaningful if you knew a person and you find their name, but it’s not meaningful without that personal connection. That confuses the purposes of a gravesite and a memorial, IMO. I went to the Pentagon Memorial a few years ago and I thought it sucked.

  80. 80.

    debbie

    January 22, 2022 at 10:15 pm

    @raven:

    Exactly.

  81. 81.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 10:19 pm

    @raven:

    I’ve said it before, but I still can’t believe that was somebody’s take on the Vietnam War Memorial. The design’s lack of ornamentation is perfect imo. It conveys a sense of solemnity given the amount of American troops that lost their lives in a largely senseless war

  82. 82.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:19 pm

    @James E Powell: And then the Nurses statue was added. I was there for that dedication. Here’s me and the boys at the Three Soldiers  statue.

  83. 83.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:20 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Lots of people felt that way.

  84. 84.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 10:20 pm

    @raven:

    Also, you know Al Murray from this clip I have posted before, and he’s a very funny guy.

    He is also the son of a former Colonel of the Ox & Bucks, and he does an excellent podcast with WW2 historian James Holland. I listen regularly while cooking,

  85. 85.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:20 pm

    I better go to bed before Cacti comes and tells me to STFU.

  86. 86.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:21 pm

    @raven: Everyone hates contemporary, until about 20 years later, and then they like it.

  87. 87.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:22 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Bookmarked.

  88. 88.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 10:22 pm

    @raven:

    Damn!

  89. 89.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:23 pm

    @Suzanne: We’re talking about pre-Trumpers here.

  90. 90.

    RaflW

    January 22, 2022 at 10:23 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep. But all this “Oh, Trump made it worse” nonsense. He made it more obvious. But they weren’t trying to hide it 10 years ago. The media was just less willing to ruffle feathers by noticing.

  91. 91.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 10:24 pm

    @Kay

    Must I? (clicks reluctantly)

    Yeah, Mrs. Roper, with less pizzazz and more make-up.

  92. 92.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:24 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: If they had come across the Imjin we were fucked!  The whole thing was coordinated with the Tet Offensive  .

  93. 93.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:24 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Maya Lin described the project as creating “a scar that would heal over”, and that is perfect, IMO.

    I like the WWI memorial, too, even though the frieze isn’t done yet. I took SuzMom a couple of months back, and we had a nice conversation with one of the park rangers. She said that the frieze is being altered to represent the flu pandemic happening simultaneous with the war.

    I don’t like the WWII memorial. Way too MURICA FUCK YEAH for me.

  94. 94.

    debbie

    January 22, 2022 at 10:26 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    It’s a scar that will never heal.

  95. 95.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:27 pm

    @Suzanne: How bout the Korea Memorial?

  96. 96.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 10:27 pm

    @raven:

    Wonder what made them change their minds?

    @Suzanne:

    Apparently, it was even sooner than that. I remember an episode of Magnum, PI where Magnum visits the Wall.

  97. 97.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:28 pm

    @raven: I know.

    I remember when Trump made that bullshit statement about wanting federal buildings to be in Neoclassical styles. UGHHHHH. Barf.

  98. 98.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think it was when people actually went there and saw it.

  99. 99.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 22, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    @raven: Dudes look like a bunch of Guidos.

  100. 100.

    Anotherlurker

    January 22, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    @Anne Laurie: I grew up in Oyster Bay, N.Y., location of T.R’s Summer Whitehouse on Sagamore Hill.  His presence is felt everywhere in the village.  Often times you will run across an actor in full T.R. regalia.

    That being said, I always felt a major cringe coming on whenever I was at The Museum of Natural History and saw that statue.  It may not have been the artist’s intention, but the sculpture screamed white man in charge.

    I have a solution that T.R. might have enjoyed.  If the statue was dumped overboard on an artificial reef, it would become a home for fish, lobsters and other members of the ocean community.  I believe the prospect of catching a 10lb. Fluke at the site of his statue would bring a smile to his face.

  101. 101.

    Brachiator

    January 22, 2022 at 10:30 pm

    @raven:

    Lotsa people didn’t like the Wall when it went up.

    I’ve read that there were people who thought the memorial was incomplete, or even an insult, because it did not include statues.

    I always thought that it was magnificent.

    But the reaction to the memorial, and the reaction to the Roosevelt statue, underscores that it is not just the artist’s intention but the personal context that we bring to a monument, that determines how we view it.

  102. 102.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:31 pm

    @raven: That one is being expanded right now. Honestly, I don’t love it. I feel like the design of it would have worked better somewhere off the Mall. The memorials that are less monumental and more spatial need the right setting. It needs a grove of trees around it. That pie wedge form of it is awkward. My opinion might change when they complete the work on it.

  103. 103.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:31 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Southern Boy, Illinois Farm Boy Green Beret, me. and a Hawaiian.

  104. 104.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:32 pm

    @Suzanne: Hmm, I didn’t know that.

  105. 105.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 22, 2022 at 10:32 pm

    @raven: Huh, thought it was your RI squad.

  106. 106.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:34 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Oh no, dis is dem.

    I hadn’t found them yet.

  107. 107.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:35 pm

    @Brachiator: After the anti-military sentiment during that era, a lot of the Vietnam vets wanted to command some respect. And not having a statue felt to some like disrespect. I mean, even our common language, “put someone on a pedestal” or “look up to” someone, conveys a spatial relationship.

    Public opinion has changed, though. People love it.

  108. 108.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:37 pm

    @Suzanne: People bitched about the Women’s Memorial because it was just nurses.

  109. 109.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 10:38 pm

    @raven:

    I think you’re right. I was impressed by it when I saw it in person

  110. 110.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:38 pm

    @raven: They’re adding, you guessed it, a wall of names, and the tree circle is getting denser or something.

  111. 111.

    Kayla Rudbek

    January 22, 2022 at 10:38 pm

    Okay, open thread, all knowledge is found on Balloon Juice, and I’m looking for embroidery book recommendations. So I started learning some embroidery this month, and now I realize why my favorite beach yarn store https://www.saltyyarns.com/ carries embroidery and cross-stitch kits too. I want a small reference book of embroidery stitches to fit into my beach bag so I can save my phone battery for pictures and videos. Something about the size of a standard paperback would be great, and not so expensive that I would freak out if I get sunscreen and sand on it.  Used/out of print books are great if I can get my hands on them.

    Any suggestions?

  112. 112.

    Ken

    January 22, 2022 at 10:39 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: How did Groucho put it? “I would never be a member of a club that would have Rand Paul as a member”?

  113. 113.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:39 pm

    @raven: My aunt was an Army nurse during that war. The hostility to it is a sore subject for her.

  114. 114.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 10:41 pm

    Trivia: Next year (2023) will mark 75 years of ongoing construction of the Crazy Horse Memorial statue. Decades worth of work still to take place.

  115. 115.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 10:41 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Eh. I kinda like the Neoclassical style tbh

  116. 116.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:42 pm

    @Suzanne:

    John and Linda live in Omaha
    And Joe is somewhere on the road
    We lost Davy in the Korean war
    And I still don’t know what for, don’t matter anymore

  117. 117.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    @Suzanne: Ask her if she was at The Delta to the DMZ fundraiser for it? Does she know Lynda Van Devanter?

  118. 118.

    karen marie

    January 22, 2022 at 10:46 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot:   I get slapped back from renewing my Wapo subscription at any low, low price by the truly awful stuff the publish.  Not as bad as NY Times but they’re working on it, apparently.

  119. 119.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:48 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It’s not about not liking it. It’s fine. It’s about saying that everything done by the Feds needs to be done that way. That’s bullshit. Much of what makes architecture successful or not successful is context: spatial, climatic, functional, temporal. Relationship to its surroundings. Neoclassical might make sense in some locations, but it doesn’t make sense in much of the country. And most levels of government in this country have accepted that it is a responsibility, when spending taxpayer money, to create buildings that create a positive sense of place and promote cultural excellence.

  120. 120.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 22, 2022 at 10:49 pm

    Zounds! Gonna be a helluva four and a half minutes I think

  121. 121.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 10:49 pm

    @debbie:

    Doesn’t seem like it. A lot of America’s current political problems can be traced back to that era imo

  122. 122.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 10:50 pm

    @raven: I will ask her. I don’t know.

  123. 123.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Fuck Rodgers

  124. 124.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 10:51 pm

    @Suzanne: Lynda wrote Home Before Morning that became China Beach.

  125. 125.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 22, 2022 at 10:52 pm

    @raven: Amen to that.

  126. 126.

    Brachiator

    January 22, 2022 at 10:56 pm

    @Suzanne: 

    After the anti-military sentiment during that era, a lot of the Vietnam vets wanted to command some respect. And not having a statue felt to some like disrespect.

    Yes. Political and personal attitudes, and a conventional view of memorial tradition, resulted in people seeing an insult where none was intended.

    I am glad that people have come to accept the memorial. And I am okay with the addition of the statues, even though I don’t think that it really adds anything.

    I mean, even our common language, “put someone on a pedestal” or “look up to” someone, conveys a spatial relationship.

    Yep. And in the case of the Roosevelt statue, the fact that he was higher than the two standing figures was seen to emphasize colonialism and racism. There is looking up, and there is looking down.

  127. 127.

    Grumpy Old Railroader

    January 22, 2022 at 10:58 pm

    @karen marie: @Sure Lurkalot:

    I get slapped back from renewing my Wapo subscription at any low, low price by the truly awful stuff the publish.  Not as bad as NY Times but they’re working on it, apparently.

    Hard to resist when the price is so low. Got my notice for renewal today for the low low price of $99.99 per year for digital subscription. So I logged in and went through the dance to cancel and ended up being offered and accepting a renewal for $9.99 per year. Been playing that game for a few years now. Same with my internet provider. Every year I threaten to pull the plug and all of a sudden I’m getting the new subscriber deal.  I guess what keeps me stick’n with it is the Carolyn Hax advice column (WAPO Only). If I am being honest I’m sort of a junkie for that kind of stuff and she is my favorite

  128. 128.

    Ohio Mom

    January 22, 2022 at 11:03 pm

    I found the Korean War Memorial moving. I wasn’t expecting to like it, it sounded like it was going to be corny and too literal. But it felt real and raw to me.

    I also liked the FDR Memorial, and feel bad it is so off the beaten track. It deserves more visitors.

    Haven’t seen tne MLK Memorial yet. Based on the photos, I’m not expecting to like it, maybe I’ll be surprised.

    What I did do the last time we were in DC (July 2017) was insist we ate at Comet Pizza. It was a very lively place, lots of families, kids playing ping pong in the back, letters of support in crayon from local school kids on the wall (this was after the shooting). Good average pizza, nice staff.

  129. 129.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 22, 2022 at 11:04 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Ah, I see, that’s a good point. I forgot that Trump thought all federal buildings should be designed in that style

  130. 130.

    raven

    January 22, 2022 at 11:04 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Seen the Albert Einstein Memorial in Washington, D.C?

  131. 131.

    Jerzy Russian

    January 22, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   Christ, what an asshole!  I am glad S.F. was able to pull it out.

  132. 132.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 22, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    I can’t believe I backed the Niners, but fuck Qaaron Rodgers!

  133. 133.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 11:12 pm

    @Brachiator:

    and a conventional view of memorial tradition 

    It’s also about the difference between a memorial and a monument. For the most part, monuments are things we’re proud of or that we really want to remember. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial had to honor the sacrifice and memorialize the dead without conveying pride in the war itself. That was tough to do spatially.

    I think it also was hard because it was built relatively soon after the end of the war and it still shaped so much of our politics. Contrast that with the WWI Memorial, which still isn’t done.

  134. 134.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 11:12 pm

    @Suzanne

    Interesting combination of styles utilized for the main post office where Mom resides. Hard to discern from the picture how well it blends in with the surroundings, placed as it is on a triangular plot at a forked intersection (with a traffic circle immediately to its frontage) , both two-lane streets running along its sides lined with mature trees. Interior is original Art Deco. That’s a circular enclosed vestibule where the front doors are, which acts as would a mud room when weather is inclement (and much as an airlock* would when it is deep winter).

    *Sure there’s a proper architectural term for a feature which doesn’t directly let in freezing air to the lobby proper but its name escapes me at the moment.

  135. 135.

    Misterpuff

    January 22, 2022 at 11:14 pm

    @Yarrow: PSST ENN EFF TEE [wink].

  136. 136.

    Brachiator

    January 22, 2022 at 11:16 pm

    @Suzanne:

    It’s also about the difference between a memorial and a monument. For the most part, monuments are things we’re proud of or that we really want to remember. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial had to honor the sacrifice and memorialize the dead without conveying pride in the war itself. That was tough to do spatially.

    I had not thought of it in terms of memorial vs monument, but it makes sense.

    It is hard to erect a monument to what was at best a stalemate, at worst a pointless and costly misadventure.

    But it is easier and appropriate to recognize those who sacrificed their lives.

  137. 137.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 11:22 pm

    @NotMax: Vestibule is the right word. They’re not airlocks or sallyports, though.

  138. 138.

    Dan B

    January 22, 2022 at 11:29 pm

    @NotMax: Vestibule

    Oops, Suzanne got there first.

  139. 139.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 11:33 pm

    I will note that most architects suck at designing vestibules. They’re required by code in many jurisdictions to reduce loss of conditioned air and maintain positive pressure. Developers hate them because they’re expensive and take up space. So they make them far too small, not of the time. Code requires them to be there but other than ADA directives on accessible clearance, there’s no requirement on size. It’s a big bugaboo of mine.

  140. 140.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2022 at 11:42 pm

    @Suzanne

    Different design element but how do you feel about porte-cochères?

  141. 141.

    Suzanne

    January 22, 2022 at 11:47 pm

    @NotMax: I never have to design them, the closest thing I do are ambulance and entrance canopies. They are fine at resort hotels, they look stupid on houses. Size matters, they need to be large enough to fit all the cars the valets are parking, but not so large that they look dumb next to whatever building they’re on.

  142. 142.

    Dan B

    January 22, 2022 at 11:54 pm

    @Suzanne: The big “cow palace” in Chicago had a large vestibule which was essential for the climate at the time.  It was large enough for every available attorney of the ACLU to be there in case of mass arrests by the Vice Squad at the first gay dance outside the UC campus.  It was black sport coats and crisp white shirts, like passing a colony of Penguins.

  143. 143.

    Dan B

    January 23, 2022 at 12:00 am

    @Suzanne: We lived in a huge home in Arkansawith a modest Porte Cochere.  The eleven foot ceilings and huge columns at the front door minimized the impact of the Porte Cochere.  That and the three car garage and two story smokehouse.  23 rooms in that house.  Two large sleeping porches, huge central hall and staircase, eight bedrooms. The family members didn’t want to live there.  Second generation that grew up in the house- owned much of the town.

  144. 144.

    evodevo

    January 23, 2022 at 6:34 am

    @Grumpy Old Railroader:  Thanks for this…WaPo just automatically renewed my subscr at $99 and I just now requested a $10 re-up and an $89 refund. I figure it’s worth that lol

  145. 145.

    raven

    January 23, 2022 at 7:14 am

    @Dan B: That was the “International Amphitheatre”

     

    Strangely enough, on December 30, 1962 and January 5, 1964, the Chicago Amphitheatre hosted The Southside WinterNationals INDOOR Drag Races. With the smooth concrete floors, Drivers reported it was like racing on ICE. It was also reported that after the first races, cases of Coca Cola syrup were brought in, poured on the floor and allowed to dry overnight. Drivers like Arnie “The Farmer” Beswick, and Mr. Norm from Grand Spaulding Dodge later admitted the syrup did little to help traction. Staging was outside in the Chicago – January cold. Drivers did as many as 5 “burnouts” just to heat the rear tires. The shutdown area involved a sharp turn and wall that claimed more than a few of the entries.

  146. 146.

    J_A

    January 23, 2022 at 11:12 am

    @Anne Laurie: 

    Teddy Roosevelt was extremely progressive for his time, and moved the country forward.

    We have to remember you can only progress from where you are standing. The goal can’t be to inmannentize the perfect, but to make your world better, even if only a little bit better.

    Theodore Roosevelt exceeded most of his contemporaries in making his world better. Other people took it from where he left it, and they pass it on to us, and we will pass it to the next generations. Without Roosevelt, we would all be behind where we are now.

    Having said that, the statue is problematic. I would have suggested carefully removing the other two figures, and leaving him alone, on horseback, where he was in front of the museum. He was placed there in remembrance of the things he did for nature, and future generations should be reminded of that. The other two figures were conceived as decoration, and, depending on their artistic value, could be moved to relevant art or history museums, removed from the original symbolism (*), and used to celebrate Native or Black contributions.

    (*) I suspect that originally those figures were placed next to Roosevelt not to show them as subjugated, conquered races, but to praise them as active collaborators in the creation of our country.

  147. 147.

    bcw

    January 23, 2022 at 11:32 am

    I always thought the Natural History Museum statue would be better it they separated it into three statues with the two guides elevated on pedestals at each side of the museum entrance and Roosevelt at the middle at the same head height.

  148. 148.

    J R in WV

    January 23, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    Many years ago I went to a DBA class at an office building in Tyson’s Corner outside DC, with a friend/coworker, S. S pretty much dragged to the Vietnam War Memorial, I resisted but gave in eventually. It was mid-December, and we went after a day doing DBA stuff, so in gathering darkness with snow flurries.

    Parking was easy, downtown Mall was deserted, very few people were at the Memorial.

    Once you walked down the ramp, the sounds of the city went away — it was as silent as the woods on a snowy night.

    I cried lots — tears streaming down my face — which I expected, which was why I resisted going. There’s a list of names, cross-referenced to the location on the Wall. After we had been there for a while I looked thru the book, found my last name in the book, almost certainly a relative, though I had not ever heard of him. My last name is somewhat unusual.

    Anyways, will always be glad S dragged me there, was a cathartic experience. I’ll have to look him up after the ‘Rona plague is over and thank him again for taking me there. He lives 4 or 5 hollows east of us.

    I think this Memorial is the best of them all. I don’t know what it would be like with a big crowd there, on a sunny day full of people on vacation.

  149. 149.

    ETtheLibrarian

    January 23, 2022 at 3:01 pm

    I just wish they could change the Lincoln statue (called Emancipation) in Lincoln Park I DC. it is not great. By a long shot.

    Its history makes it trickier but honestly it needs a rethink.

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