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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Saturday Mid-Morning Open Thread: Night & Day

Saturday Mid-Morning Open Thread: Night & Day

by Anne Laurie|  March 19, 202210:20 am| 211 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Russia, War in Ukraine

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Saturday Mid-Morning Open Thread: Night & Day

(Clay Jones via GoComics.com)

Jen Psaki, one of the most recognisable faces of the Biden administration, passed a milestone this week — she notched up more White House briefings than were held during the entire Trump presidency https://t.co/SCgKWmpXv9

— laughingatthegop (@laughinatthegop) March 19, 2022

I literally DO care…

From St. Petersburg. The message reads, “This is my grandfather’s coat. During WWII, he starved as a child in occupied territory.” (Then I can’t quite make it out, maybe: “Why have we ghouls in my time forgotten his distant past?”) “I feel sick and scared. I don’t want war!” pic.twitter.com/7C5SuXrjkm

— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) March 19, 2022


It’s still weird to remember that not even 18 months ago Putin’s biggest ally on the world stage was the President of the United States. He actually got impeached for trying to blackmail the guy everyone’s now in love with.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) March 18, 2022

More notes about Arnold Schwartnegger’s video appeal:

speaking as a soviet boy that arnie video hits all the right notes. he’s also one of the 22 accounts putin follows on here, damn that must sting pic.twitter.com/PYYunTHZsT

— Seva (@SevaUT) March 18, 2022

Everything, EVERYTHING about this speech is perfect: the speaker, the words, the tone, the visuals. If this doesn't change minds, nothing will.
Yet, I am afraid, this won't change minds. And Arnold's father could tell him why. Sometimes, entire nations go stark raving mad.

— Slava Malamud ???? (@SlavaMalamud) March 18, 2022

Exclusive: In Ukraine, thousands of employees of telecom operator Veon are working from bomb shelters and moving equipment to border areas to maintain a digital lifeline for refugees fleeing the war https://t.co/nKhnAoaJNy pic.twitter.com/km30lYSmEJ

— Reuters (@Reuters) March 18, 2022

Today, Putin successfully denazified a grocery store, a playground and a kindergarten.

— Robert the Spruce (@Bufshuf) March 18, 2022

Now *this* is a subtweet…

Because of the war in #Ukraine, the American biopharmaceutical company #AbbVie has suspended the supply of #Botox and #fillers to #Russia – the most popular products in Russian aesthetic medicine. pic.twitter.com/RAlXAdlArB

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 17, 2022

*speed dials rand paul’s neighbor* https://t.co/fr2TxZGBNT

— Jort-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) March 17, 2022

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  1. 1.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 19, 2022 at 10:25 am

    That Psaki pstatistic is psurprising.

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 10:28 am

    Sweet caesura: the importance of being urnest?

    ;)

  3. 3.

    debbie

    March 19, 2022 at 10:34 am

    I hope she isn’t arrested for her coat.

  4. 4.

    VOR

    March 19, 2022 at 10:37 am

    Rand Paul is a bigger dingus than even Ted Cruz. Who keeps voting for this clown? Is it really just as simple as voting against the Democrat?

  5. 5.

    The Moar You Know

    March 19, 2022 at 10:38 am

    Psaki is the best press secretary I’ve seen in my entire lifetime.

  6. 6.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 10:42 am

    Have watched Ahnold’s video a couple of times and can appreciate its effectiveness for the intended audience, also pleasantly surprised it ever made it to the general Russian public.

    An Austrian friend’s father was arrested by the occupying Soviets for “collaborating” with Americans and sent to the gulag, only released after the 1955 treaty establishing Austria as independent. Austrians understand Russia and Russians to their very core, and Arnold is old enough to remember that era.

  7. 7.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 10:43 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    Same. She’s the first that I actually look forward to watching. Like, ever.

  8. 8.

    geg6

    March 19, 2022 at 10:45 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    Truth.  And I’m old.

  9. 9.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    March 19, 2022 at 10:45 am

    The nuts are tired of covid and gas prices, They’re bringing back Hunter’s laptop!

  10. 10.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 10:46 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    You’re psilly.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 10:46 am

    @Old Dan and Little Ann: Good.

  12. 12.

    brantl

    March 19, 2022 at 10:47 am

    It amazes me how much better a former politician Arnold is, than he was as a politician.

  13. 13.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 10:50 am

    @The Moar You Know

    James Hagerty, Pierre Salinger and Jerald terHorst weren’t exactly chopped liver.

    ;)

    Trivia: Fellow who served as one of Truman’s press secretaries was named (not nicknamed, mind you) Tubby.

  14. 14.

    different-church-lady

    March 19, 2022 at 10:52 am

    Kudos to Water Girl and whatever fix she figured out about the Twitter problem. Joint is running like a rocket ship now.

  15. 15.

    different-church-lady

    March 19, 2022 at 10:53 am

    @trollhattan: Well, who doesn’t enjoy a good dismemberment?

  16. 16.

    The Moar You Know

    March 19, 2022 at 10:56 am

    James Hagerty, Pierre Salinger and Jerald terHorst weren’t exactly chopped liver.

    @NotMax: I did specify “in my lifetime”.

  17. 17.

    SFAW

    March 19, 2022 at 10:57 am

    As expected, Ferret-Head continues to try to beat Traitor Turtle for the winner of the “Most Disgusting Piece of Shit to Represent Kentucky” contest.

    @VOR:

    Who keeps voting for this clown? Is it really just as simple as voting against the Democrat?

    Pretty much. I imagine there’s some not-insignificant contingent of Party of Traitors supporters who, given the choice between voting for a Dem or embracing worldwide nucular annihilation, will vote against the Dem every time.

  18. 18.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 19, 2022 at 10:57 am

    @VOR: ​

    Rand Paul is a bigger dingus than even Ted Cruz. Who keeps voting for this clown? Is it really just as simple as voting against the Democrat?

    He represents Kentucky, right? Then it probably is that simple. It’s an R+15 state, IIRC.

    But that’s libertarianism for you. If you were dying of thirst and needed a glass of water, he’d probably give it to you, but make you sign an IOU.

  19. 19.

    SFAW

    March 19, 2022 at 10:59 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    If you were dying of thirst and needed a glass of water, he’d probably give it to you, but make you sign an IOU.

    And make you sign it with your own blood, rather than let you borrow his pen.

  20. 20.

    cmorenc

    March 19, 2022 at 11:02 am

    OAN (Trump’s latest favorite network) was last night showing a purported documentary on the pre-invasion situation in Ukraine what was pure Russian propaganda, including that the purportedly legitimately elected (pro-Russian) government was overthrown in 2014 by Nazi-infiltrated thugs manipulating public demonstrations, backed by the CIA, with an assist by George Soros.

  21. 21.

    sdhays

    March 19, 2022 at 11:02 am

    @SFAW: And later scream and gnash his teeth upon finding out that such a document is not, currently, legally binding.

  22. 22.

    sdhays

    March 19, 2022 at 11:03 am

    @cmorenc: How much longer do we have to wait for AT&T to pull the plug on that shit?

  23. 23.

    kindness

    March 19, 2022 at 11:03 am

    We’re way past the point of any face saving exits wrt Putin’s actions.  Seems to me Putin’s decision to not take any partial outcomes but insist on the whole enchelada that Ukraine and the rest of the world are in a terrible place.  And yet amidst it all we have a major ‘news’ network (Fox) here at home, doing it’s all to torpedo a functional government here in the US only because it is run by Democrats.  For us here, there is no more ‘loyal opponent’ within what Republicans think.  I wish there was a face saving measure to get us all out of all of this.  There aren’t any.  We’ll survive though.  I even have optimistic thoughts on the Democrats doing well in the upcoming elections, regardless of what the MSM would prefer.

  24. 24.

    different-church-lady

    March 19, 2022 at 11:04 am

    @SFAW:

    And make you sign it with your own blood, rather than let you borrow his pen

    …which is filled with someone else’s blood.

  25. 25.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 19, 2022 at 11:04 am

    “Russian operations have changed. Russia is now pursuing a Strategy of Attrition. This will involve the reckless and indiscriminate use of firepower. This will result in increased civilian casualties [&] destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure”

    Civilians don’t shoot back.

  26. 26.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 19, 2022 at 11:04 am

    @cmorenc: It’s nice that BiP found gainful employment.

  27. 27.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 19, 2022 at 11:05 am

    @NotMax: James Hagerty, Pierre Salinger and Jerald terHorst weren’t exactly chopped liver.

    I had to Google Hagerty. Press secretary throughout Ike’s Presidency.  Definitely before my age of awareness of such things.  Hell, he began his tenure before I was born.  Wasn’t that much more aware of Salinger, though I could have told you at the time who he was.

    terHorst wasn’t press secretary very long. IIRC, he resigned when Ford pardoned Nixon. Can’t argue with that decision.

  28. 28.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 19, 2022 at 11:08 am

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:

    They’re bringing back Hunter’s laptop!

    That New York Times article is vile.  It’s straight up Her Emails 2.0.  The actual facts it presents are that Hunter Biden paid a lot of taxes, the investigation Trump sicced on him not only hasn’t found anything, it’s given up on criminal charges, and emails show Hunter telling his Ukrainian partners he won’t break American lobbying laws.  They describe all of this as if he’s been caught committing crimes and will probably skate on a technicality.

    @SFAW:

    there’s some not-insignificant contingent of Party of Traitors supporters who, given the choice between voting for a Dem or embracing worldwide nucular annihilation, will vote against the Dem

    Yes, and because it’s a a vote against a Dem, they will take it for granted that they personally will survive the nuclear war and be better off for it.  It’s not just voting against Dems.  Dems must be wrong, wrong, always wrong.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 11:09 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Labor shortage is hitting everyone hard.

  30. 30.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 19, 2022 at 11:10 am

    What Rand “I got mine, fuck you” Paul doesn’t get it supplying the Ukrainians is cheaper than us fighting in a general war in Europe.

  31. 31.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 19, 2022 at 11:11 am

    I keep forgetting Boob in Portland.

    Wonder whatever happened to Ted and Hellen? And was it Boob who was the “Brinks Trucks” guy?

  32. 32.

    Llelldorin

    March 19, 2022 at 11:12 am

    @VOR: Who keeps voting for this clown?

    I’ve always gotten the impression that among stupid people who think themselves brilliant, Rand Paul is the Kwisatz Haderach, but honestly your guess is as good as mine.

  33. 33.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 11:13 am

    @lowtechcyclist

    Putting principle over position is why I include terHorst, tenure of service notwithstanding.

    @The Moar You Know

    Whippersnapper.

    ;)

  34. 34.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 19, 2022 at 11:15 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    If you were dying of thirst and needed a glass of water, he’d probably give it to you

    Rand Paul?  No way.  He would refuse, then tell you how principled he is for refusing.  He’s as much a mean little shit as he is a Libertarian.

    @kindness:

    We’re way past the point of any face saving exits wrt Putin’s actions.

    Putin could withdraw from the invasion completely today, with no explanations to anyone, and be in no worse trouble than he is right now.  He would be less likely to lose his throne.  This is 100% Putin’s ego and grudges.

  35. 35.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 11:15 am

    @kindness:

    I’m getting awfully tired of the supposed experts the cable news channels and NPR keep bringing on their shows to say the same things.  It’s always Biden/NATO/EU need to do x y and x and provide Putin with an “off ramp”.  Just once I would like to hear a follow up question asking for an example of an off ramp.

  36. 36.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    March 19, 2022 at 11:16 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Brinks Trucks was a guy on payroll from the Jeb! campaign, I thought.

  37. 37.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 11:17 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Boob was actually a valued commenter over at Booman’s joint.

  38. 38.

    Ken

    March 19, 2022 at 11:17 am

    I’m placing mental bets on how the White House Press Corps will move the goalposts, assuming they even bother to acknowledge Psaki’s accomplishment*. Maybe demand that at least three Cabinet secretaries must be available for questions at each conference. Or that Psaki do the ASL herself.

    * That doesn’t seem quite the right word. It’s not really an “accomplishment” to do your job professionally, and to higher standards than a bunch of grifters who didn’t bother to show up for work most days.

  39. 39.

    Kalakal

    March 19, 2022 at 11:17 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    But that’s libertarianism for you. If you were dying of thirst and needed a glass of water, he’d  probably give it to you, but make you sign an IOU.

    It would be somebody else’s water

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 11:18 am

    @Llelldorin

    Ersatz Haderach?

    //

  41. 41.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 11:18 am

    Jen Psaki, one of the most recognisable faces of the Biden administration, passed a milestone this week — she notched up more White House briefings than were held during the entire Trump presidency.

    I love and respect the hell out of Psaki. She is damn good at her job, and a very visible reminder of the overall high quality of Biden Administration staff and appointees.

    And while it is always fun to watch her slap around that Fox News idiot Peter the Dope, the way that she so capably represents this administration also underscores how insipid the Beltway press corp is.

    Yeah, these fools may be biased towards the GOP, but more than that, they have been given a great opportunity to do their jobs right, to ask good, tough questions, and get good, tough responses. Instead, they are comfortable being well-paid hacks, mediocrities who toss out lame “gotcha” questions and fall back of lazy “what about…” and “both sides…” pseudo-journalism.

  42. 42.

    Roger Moore

    March 19, 2022 at 11:19 am

    @cmorenc:

    Someone needs to follow the money trail and have OAN shut down for being unregistered Russian agents.

  43. 43.

    zhena gogolia

    March 19, 2022 at 11:19 am

    @debbie: Looks like a guy with dreads to me. But yes, I hope he isn’t arrested. Probably will be.

  44. 44.

    zhena gogolia

    March 19, 2022 at 11:19 am

    @trollhattan: Has it made it to the general Russian public? Where did you see that?

  45. 45.

    debbie

    March 19, 2022 at 11:20 am

    @Ken:

    She’ll lose points for not saying what they want to hear in the way they want to hear it.

  46. 46.

    Ken

    March 19, 2022 at 11:21 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: This is 100% Putin’s ego and grudges.

    I have to think there’s some pour encourager les autres as well. The Central Asian republics, or even Belarus, might be getting ideas.

  47. 47.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 19, 2022 at 11:22 am

    @Baud:

    Pshaw.

    /psigned/ PsiubhanDuinne

  48. 48.

    debbie

    March 19, 2022 at 11:22 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    Oops. The actual tweet shows more of his head. Apologies to him!

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 11:23 am

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    He seemed legit as a Republican wading into the jackal pack to tweak Lib noses and I believed him that he worked on campaigns–as a functionary and not a bigwig. BiP was surely a trollfarm troll. Then there was BOB, who would stalk refugee immigrants and go to Glenn Beck listening parties. Certifiable, that one.

  50. 50.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 11:25 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    ????

    Did you see the news that Olga Smirnova publicly condemned the war and left the Bolshoi Ballet?  She is now a guest artist with the Nederlands Ballet. And Jacopo Tissi also quit and went back to Italy.  He was the male lead in Diamonds – the last simulcast with the Bolshoi.

    Smirnova is a major star so this is a big deal.

    Also Jacobi

  51. 51.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 11:25 am

    @zhena gogolia: ​
    BBC has been reporting it, for one.

  52. 52.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 19, 2022 at 11:26 am

    @Ken:

    The Central Asian republics, or even Belarus, might be getting ideas.

    That’s part of the thing.  Drawing the Russian army away to get their ass handed to them is leaving them weak where he needs them.  Every day this goes on, his grip on his conquered territories gets weaker.  If he stopped now, he could move the troops back and ride out any storm.  In practical terms, stopping immediately is better than continuing, even without easily constructed PR excuses.

  53. 53.

    sdhays

    March 19, 2022 at 11:28 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: No that was someone on Jeb!’s payroll. Can’t remember the ‘nym.

  54. 54.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 11:28 am

    @MomSense: Heard a report on Ukrainian ballerinas now training with Polish troupes. The manager of one noted how vital it is for restoring a dancer’s sanity, because they can redirect their anxieties into something they love. Equal parts charming and heartbreaking.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 11:28 am

    @PsiubhanDuinne

    Now put in mind of P.G. Wodehouse’s Psmith.

    ;)

  56. 56.

    Llelldorin

    March 19, 2022 at 11:29 am

    @NotMax: 

    Is there a Bene Gesserit offshoot in the books breeding for insufferability?

  57. 57.

    Miss Bianca

    March 19, 2022 at 11:30 am

    @SFAW: No. He would refuse to give you the water, but graciously concede that you had the right to take him to court over the matter.

  58. 58.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    March 19, 2022 at 11:31 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: i would not have known except for a book of faces freak who has been bitching about vaccines for 2 years.  He’s decided to recycle the laptop rabbit hole.  I also checked out the ny post for some baseball news and It’s FRONT PAGE!

  59. 59.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 11:32 am

    @Llelldorin

    “I’m pretty sure this spice is past its sell by date.”

    //

  60. 60.

    Ken

    March 19, 2022 at 11:33 am

    @Brachiator: It’s been noted that when they conduct briefings or interviews with outside groups, the questions are usually much better than those we get from the WH press corps. I sometimes imagine (fantasize) that one of those outsiders will be invited to the WH briefing, and will use their time to ask about the insipidness of the official press corps.

    Something like “Many people are saying that this is a room of attention-seeking hacks who waste a unique opportunity by grandstanding and pushing their own agendas, have you any comment?” Though Psaki would shoot down any “many people” phrasing of course; but, we could then say “the question has been asked at an official press conference”.

  61. 61.

    Kalakal

    March 19, 2022 at 11:34 am

    @Ken: They are getting ideas. Just this month Khazakhstan has rejected a request for troops, refused to recognize Donetsk and Lugansk as republics and, just to troll Putin, sent a plane load of humanitarian aid to Ukraine. A lot of the republics are puppet governments propped up by actual or potential Russian military force. As the Russian army gets sucked into  and chewed up in Ukraine, those ideas are going to grow and an overextended Russian military can do less and less to keep the lid on. And it’s not as if the Russians have the money for bribery anymore

  62. 62.

    topclimber

    March 19, 2022 at 11:35 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I know Ukraine has better use for its switchblade drones, have no idea whether they can fly far enough, and probably should worry about pissing off Putin even more, but I do fantasize about a scenario like Doolittle’s bombing run on Tokyo where Ukrainian drones do a number on Putin’s Black Sea palace.

  63. 63.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 11:35 am

    @trollhattan:

    It’s really tough for dancers, athletes, artists at that level.  You work every day at an intense level and nothing else demands your full body and concentration the same way.  Nothing else works as a coping mechanism.

    One of my Russian teachers used to repeat something her teachers told her. Miss one day you know. Miss two days your teacher knows.  Miss three days and everyone knows.

  64. 64.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 19, 2022 at 11:35 am

    @MomSense:

    I did see that, thanks. Had so wanted to introduce my friends to the Bolshoi’s Swan Lake a couple of weeks ago — we had planned the event for months — but we all agreed we couldn’t support anything Russian right now, so we cancelled the ballet outing and just had a nice leisurely lunch instead.

  65. 65.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 19, 2022 at 11:36 am

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    I thought Brinks Trucks was earlier – the Romney campaign.

  66. 66.

    Miss Bianca

    March 19, 2022 at 11:37 am

    Actually have to say I am very impressed by Arnold’s video. I have no idea whether it will reach its intended audience  or not, and if so, whether it will have its intended effect. But major kudos to him for trying.

  67. 67.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 19, 2022 at 11:38 am

    @Kalakal: I do get the vibe that Putin’s Empire is a House of Cards and will just collapse at some point, but it also seems like now is to early for anyone to make there move.

  68. 68.

    zhena gogolia

    March 19, 2022 at 11:39 am

    @trollhattan: That’s good.

  69. 69.

    Kathleen

    March 19, 2022 at 11:40 am

    @MomSense: One of the reasons I quit that site years ago. Comment section is a cesspool. Booman became tiresome.

  70. 70.

    Another Scott

    March 19, 2022 at 11:41 am

    That first comic had me confused for too long.  “How is the ghost of GHWB relevant here??!”  Then I noticed the sunglasses and something clicked…

    Not enough caffeine!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  71. 71.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 11:42 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Then the Bolshoi postponed it indefinitely.  They posted a video of Les cygnets on Instagram as a teaser for the performance and the comments were overwhelmingly negative.

  72. 72.

    ian

    March 19, 2022 at 11:42 am

    @sdhays: with fear of summoning him, that was CornerStone.  Brinks trucks… brinks trucks… brinks trucks…

  73. 73.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 19, 2022 at 11:42 am

    @MomSense:

    One of my Russian teachers used to repeat something her teachers told her. Miss one day you know. Miss two days your teacher knows. Miss three days and everyone knows.

    I first heard that saying from a violinist. It’s quite true at that high level of discipline.

  74. 74.

    Kathleen

    March 19, 2022 at 11:42 am

    @Brachiator: Perfect description of the DC Press Corpse.

  75. 75.

    Kay

    March 19, 2022 at 11:43 am

    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    Dec 8, 2021
    Replying to
    @ggreenwald
    It’s been 8 months since the NYT claimed the DOJ was investigating “whether”
    @MattGaetz
    committed crimes. He’s still not been charged with anything, and thus has no chance to contest the innuendo, yet millions believe he’s guilty. That’s why prosecutorial leaks are so abusive.

    Guess how long the DOJ has been investigating Hunter Biden? Since 2018 and the NYTimes reporter and Glenn Greenwald have been flogging it since 2019-20.
    Oddly no worries on prosecutorial abuse there although they’re now writing stories that the DOJ is in a “bind” because they may not be able to indict him.
    Just frauds.
    “Yet millions believe he’s guilty”. The scolding sanctimony while he’s spewing this bullshit.

  76. 76.

    eclare

    March 19, 2022 at 11:45 am

    @Another Scott:   What is in TFG’s right hand?  It kind of looks like a potato.

  77. 77.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 11:46 am

    @MomSense:

    I’m getting awfully tired of the supposed experts the cable news channels and NPR keep bringing on their shows to say the same things. It’s always Biden/NATO/EU need to do x y and x and provide Putin with an “off ramp”.

    See, that’s just it. You left off the Z, as in “where is z off ramp?” ;)

    But nonsense like this is just as annoying. It is a non-question that childishly assumes that a president controls events and can guarantee an outcome.

    It is as dumb as the idiocy that every war have a predetermined “exit strategy” that guarantees and spells out victory.

  78. 78.

    NotMax

    March 19, 2022 at 11:49 am

    @MomSense

    Best Pswan Lake ever.

    And they’re topless to boot.

    :)

  79. 79.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 11:49 am

    @topclimber:

    Found this article about the Switchblade, which notes they’re getting a version not suited to taking out armor. I suppose anti-personnel and not-armored vehicles–maybe AA batteries since they keep things that go boom on top? Guessing the psychological aspect has relevance, because they sound like something from a really dark “X Files” episode.

    I am an internet expert.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 11:49 am

    @Kay: See too the as yet uncharged Hillary Clinton.

  81. 81.

    Kay

    March 19, 2022 at 11:50 am

    He’s still not been charged with anything, and thus has no chance to contest the innuendo, yet millions believe he’s guilty.

    * Does not apply to Glenn Greenwald’s political enemies, or the (shitty) NYTimes political team.

    They’re already on the second order crime- the claimed “suppression ” of the Hunter Biden story, just as a backup in case they don’t have enough to charge him. Pure weasel. Charged, not charged, won’t matter a bit. Even if there is no crime there’s always an alleged cover up to fall back on.

  82. 82.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 19, 2022 at 11:50 am

    Here’s a great Scocca piece on why those of us who hate the Dookies should continue to hate the Dookies.

    https://indignity.substack.com/p/indignity-vol-2-no-23-lessons-from?s=w

  83. 83.

    Feathers

    March 19, 2022 at 11:51 am

    One of the best things about Psaki is that she also riles up the awful left. That her method of dealing with idiot questions from wingnuts might be more effective than whatever preaching they fantasize about is unpossible to imagine.

  84. 84.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 19, 2022 at 11:51 am

    @ian: Corner Stone was most assuredly not BRINKS TRUCKS FULL OF CASH!! guy.

  85. 85.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 11:52 am

    @Kay:

    To be fair, I too am ready to Gaetz charged.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 11:53 am

    @Feathers:

    One of the best things about Psaki is that she also riles up the awful left.

    First I heard that that was a thing.

  87. 87.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 19, 2022 at 11:53 am

    @NotMax:

    You knew I’d click it with bait like “topless”….

  88. 88.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 11:54 am

    @NotMax:

    Hard to believe Ernie Kovacs had the latitude to do what he did when he did it. So very different from the standard fare.

    We saw Trockadero de Monte Carlo once; hilarious, and it has to be said they’re good enough dancers to pull it off for the length of an entire show.

  89. 89.

    Kalakal

    March 19, 2022 at 11:54 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Yes, it’s definitely getting shakier. When/if it goes, it will go fast.

    The longer the Russian military fail to achieve a ‘win’ , the more losses they take, the more sanctions bite the more likely  it is the whole thing collapses.

    Time is not on Putin’s side, politically he needs to capture Kyiv fast, and I can’t see that happening.

  90. 90.

    Kay

    March 19, 2022 at 11:54 am

    @Baud:

    It didn’t matter. By the time she had NOT been charged we were already on the backup- how she covered up the non crime. It’s always the same play. It’s not even complex or unusual- every sleazy low talent prosecutor does the same thing. No crime? Ooops. Let’s find some way to smear this person!

  91. 91.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    If you were dying of thirst and needed a glass of water, he’d probably give it to you, but make you sign an IOU.

    He would offer to sell you the water, and criticize you for wanting the glass to be provided for free.

  92. 92.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I thought that was off. I remember him as a somewhat left of center left cranky Texan.

  93. 93.

    Geminid

    March 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

    @SFAW: “Negative partisanship” is certainly a big factor in Republican voting. The few people I know who voted for Trump last election did not like Trump much, but saw him as the lesser of two evils. They believed that Joe Biden was a puppet of “the Left.”

  94. 94.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 11:56 am

    @Baud: ​All those corpses [shakes head sadly].

  95. 95.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 11:57 am

    @Kay: Oh sure.  There’s always a smear.  The idea is that the burden is on us to disprove the accusations of cynical people.  The only way to win is not to play.

  96. 96.

    Sherparick

    March 19, 2022 at 11:57 am

    @VOR: Yes, because Democrats in this Kentucky world that is dominated by RW media & Pentecostal prosperity gospel churches are atheistic Gay pedophile Communist Muslims who want to make Black people equal to white people via CRT.

  97. 97.

    Sloane Ranger

    March 19, 2022 at 11:57 am

    @SFAW:

     

    Pretty much. I imagine there’s some not-insignificant contingent of Party of Traitors supporters who, given the choice between voting for a Dem or embracing worldwide nucular annihilation, will vote against the Dem every time.

    I saw a YouTube video recently. Someone was interviewing an attendee at some Repuke bash and asked them if, somehow, they were given a choice between voting for Joe Biden as POTUS or Vladamir Putin, who would they choose. The interviewee didn’t even pause before saying Putin. I kid you not.

  98. 98.

    CaseyL

    March 19, 2022 at 12:02 pm

    @Brachiator: The WHPC has always been like that, though.  It’s been kind of a joke for a very long time.

    Linda Ellerbee was a WH correspondent early in her career.  She tells a story of hearing an announcement that a “2-minute lid” was happening, and excitedly calling her producers about it, thinking it was something important.  Her producers had to tell her it just meant that the press conference was happening in two minutes.  She talks about the essential uselessness of the WHPC, and how frustrating it was to be part of it.  And this is in her book, “And So It Goes,” written, like, 40 years ago!

  99. 99.

    eclare

    March 19, 2022 at 12:02 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:   I vividly remember Laettner stomping on the KY player.  The start of a lasting hatred….

  100. 100.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    @trollhattan:

    They are  soooo good.

  101. 101.

    RaflW

    March 19, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: And don’t ask how much arsenic or nitrates are in Kentucky’s water, because ‘free people’ don’t care about quality or safety.

  102. 102.

    Cameron

    March 19, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    @ian: Why did it have to be Brinks?  Did this person own stock in the company or something?

  103. 103.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    I was trying to remember when it was that Republicans and Fox started fluffing Putin regularly.  I had a vague memory of Obama joking about it in a correspondents dinner.  I found this video but I thought it started earlier.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YvUEAueU5Ik

  104. 104.

    Cameron

    March 19, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    @eclare: Either a mega-COVID or a Christmas-tree spud ornament.

  105. 105.

    matt

    March 19, 2022 at 12:11 pm

    Fuck Putin and fuck his buddy Rand Paul.

  106. 106.

    Geminid

    March 19, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    @Baud: Last fall sentencing for Gaetz’s ex-wingman Joel Greenberg was postponed to this month, but now it’s been postponed again until May.

    There are signs that prosecutors are tightening the noose. A mutual friend of Gaetz and Greenberg pleaded guilty to felony Adderall sales, and his sentencing is now with the same judge as Greenberg’s. Also, Gaetz’s former girlfriend has been spotted entering the relevant grand jury room.

    I’m hoping that prosecutors are wrapping Gaetz up so tight on so many counts that the best lawyers his wealthy father can buy can’t save him. That would make the wait worthwhile.

  107. 107.

    Another Scott

    March 19, 2022 at 12:16 pm

    @eclare: I thought it was a Covid virus at first.  But I think it’s a greasy burger.

    Either works!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  108. 108.

    matt

    March 19, 2022 at 12:18 pm

    @trollhattan: The Javelin missiles are a way bigger deal – the Switchblade drones look like a gimmick to me. They only cost like $5k each so that’s just not much of a commitment sending them. Javelins are ~$200k each.

  109. 109.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 12:18 pm

    @NotMax:

    What?  I had never seen that before.  Truly bizarre.

    Remember the sweet ending of Billy Elliot?  The ballet the character was in was from a real version of Swan Lake that was choreographed and staged for an entirely male cast.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=FvZO-UYsehs&feature=emb_logo Matthew Bourne’s Swan Lake

  110. 110.

    eclare

    March 19, 2022 at 12:18 pm

    @Another Scott:   I bet it is a greasy burger!  Thanks.

  111. 111.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 12:23 pm

    @Cameron:

    His standard ooga-booga line to scare the pantywaist Libs was “BRINKS TRUCKS OF CASH” i.e., Republicans were going to spend so very much money they will sweep away that Obama feller. He wrote it a lot.

  112. 112.

    Steeplejack

    March 19, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    @ian:

    Corner Stone was not the Brinks truck guy.

  113. 113.

    Ancient Atheist

    March 19, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    There is a nuclear armed madman in the Kremlin… and we put him there. Our own greed will bear fruit as nuclear clouds rising over Ukraine. A new milestone in man’s lust for war. There will be raised fists and grumblings, but the West will remain impotent as they marvel at Putin’s lack of humanity. That’s the way the world will end… with a bang and a whimper.

  114. 114.

    Jonas

    March 19, 2022 at 12:29 pm

    @trollhattan: As elsewhere in Europe the far right in Austria has forged deep ties to Putin. The head of the Freedom Party got busted a couple of years ago taking bribes from a Russian firm.

  115. 115.

    Ken

    March 19, 2022 at 12:29 pm

    @Ancient Atheist: Are you going for a Nostradamus feel? It’s coming out a bit more Lovecraft; Iä! Yog-Sothoth, and all that sort of thing.

  116. 116.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    March 19, 2022 at 12:30 pm

    @Ancient Atheist: Oh no, it’s all our fault!

    Fuck this noise.

  117. 117.

    RaflW

    March 19, 2022 at 12:32 pm

    @Brachiator: these fools may be biased towards the GOP, but more than that, they have been given a great opportunity to do their jobs right, to ask good, tough questions, and get good, tough responses.

    The D.C. press corps, with some exceptions, are ambitious but generally dumb. They can’t fathom asking tough questions and being well prepped for their side of interviews or pressers. Hack is too kind for many of these dolts (and I don’t just mean Fox or it’s more vile siblings).

    My partner is a former newspaperman. Ask him about TV journalists, and the look on his face says it all. And the thing is, even many of the print reporters in the WH press pool have teevee aspirations. The vain & vacuous. The WHCA annual dinner is sufficient evidence of how broken our capitol press is.

  118. 118.

    eclare

    March 19, 2022 at 12:33 pm

    @Ancient Atheist:   Who is this “we” you speak of?

  119. 119.

    Steeplejack

    March 19, 2022 at 12:33 pm

    @Cameron:

    Just a recognizable brand of armored-car services. Conjures up the image of vast amounts of cash being unloaded.

  120. 120.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    March 19, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    @MomSense: A number of years ago, we took a cruise from Moscow to St. Petersburg along the Volga. One of the guides talked about what happened when some upheaval happened. (Forgive my ignorance. I don’t remember what it was). She said she came out of the Kremlin with a group of tourists and there were tanks in the street.

    Anyhow, for days, the only thing on TV was Swan Lake.

    I remember thinking Americans would have rioted.

  121. 121.

    SFAW

    March 19, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    @RaflW:

    Is Yamiche Alcindor part of the WHPC? She seems to do a pretty good job.

  122. 122.

    delk

    March 19, 2022 at 12:37 pm

    I think right to rise was brinks truck guy.

  123. 123.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 12:37 pm

    @Ancient Atheist:

    Well now, if we “put him there” then we can just as easily remove him. Problem solved!

  124. 124.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 12:37 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    That New York Times article is vile. It’s straight up Her Emails 2.0. The actual facts it presents are that Hunter Biden paid a lot of taxes, the investigation Trump sicced on him not only hasn’t found anything, it’s given up on criminal charges, and emails show Hunter telling his Ukrainian partners he won’t break American lobbying laws.

    Aside from the political rat-fuckery, I never understood what the point of all this was.

    Were we supposed to go “Aha, Hunter Biden is guilty of something. Therefore, Trump really won the election????”

    Meanwhile, the Trump Hell-spawn and Young Jared were doing unethical, arguably criminal stuff every freaking day, but this was just business as usual. Nothing to see here. Move along.

  125. 125.

    Ruckus

    March 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @brantl:

    He learned from what he thought he knew, but didn’t.

    That’s a very rare gift in humans. Most often we close our eyes/ears and minds, thinking we know it all. when all we really know is how to close our minds. As the old saying goes, A mind is a terrible thing to waste, so don’t stop learning, especially from your mistakes.

  126. 126.

    zhena gogolia

    March 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @Ancient Atheist:

    and we put him there.

    I’m racking my brains to figure out in what sense this could be true.

  127. 127.

    Carlo Graziani

    March 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @trollhattan:

    It’s remarkable how leaky the Russian media crackdown is. They really don’t seem to have given much more advance thought to how to control their information environment than they did to their war plan. So they block CNN, BBC, etc. and they let weaponized content like the Schwartzennegger speech get circulated unhindered?

    I wonder whether they remembered to block content equally hostile to the war — some of it possibly in Russian — from places like Moldova, or Poland, or Bulgaria.

    Either this is gross incompetence or deliberate malfeasance bordering on sabotage by censors who aren’t even trying. The Chinese must be either appalled or just laughing at them by this point.

  128. 128.

    different-church-lady

    March 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @MomSense: Whoever that guy was, he was nuts.

  129. 129.

    SFAW

    March 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @Ancient Atheist:

    and we put him there.

    Interesting take on reality. I’d ask for an explanation, but I expect it would make as much sense as a TFG free-form rant.

  130. 130.

    scav

    March 19, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    Aahhh, the Ancient Agitator is just a pip-sized WHPC wannabe looking for what little airtime it can capture.  Nice of it to provide a “real”-world example of the phenomena in “real”-time.

  131. 131.

    mrmoshpotato

    March 19, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    Mmmmmm weekend troll.

  132. 132.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 12:40 pm

    This is good–Clinton and Bush visit a Chicago Ukrainian church.

  133. 133.

    different-church-lady

    March 19, 2022 at 12:42 pm

    @trollhattan: It turns out Brink’s trucks of cash didn’t do it, but box cars of crazy was the right material for the job.

  134. 134.

    SFAW

    March 19, 2022 at 12:43 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Were we supposed to go “Aha, Hunter Biden is guilty of something. Therefore, Trump really won the election????”

    Possible. I think the sequence would be something like: Hunter’s laptop and Burisma would call Joe’s ethics into question, whereupon American voters would reject him at the polls, and TFG would win in a landslide. That the laptop/Burisma “stories” did not dominate tyhe MSM every day, in 48-point type, is because the FTFTFNYT was in the bag for Biden, etc.

  135. 135.

    zhena gogolia

    March 19, 2022 at 12:43 pm

    @trollhattan:
    I was hoping it would be the Louis Sullivan church, but no.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Orthodox_Cathedral_(Chicago)

  136. 136.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 12:43 pm

    @SFAW:

    It was me.  I put Putin into power.

    Oops.

  137. 137.

    eclare

    March 19, 2022 at 12:43 pm

    @trollhattan:

    That visit was good to see.

  138. 138.

    Another Scott

    March 19, 2022 at 12:44 pm

    ICYMI, another good Galeev thread (a short one):

    Is World War Z popular in Russia?

    80 000 ppl attended Z-rally in Moscow. Midwits compared its size with smaller anti-war protests and concluded it's a proof of mass Z-enthusiasm. Midwits are unable to comprehend two factors that rule this world: leverage and incentives ? pic.twitter.com/0Jdwzsf38P

    — Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 18, 2022

    tl;dr – people are forced to attend and show support, or lie to them about the purpose.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  139. 139.

    Baud

    March 19, 2022 at 12:47 pm

    @SFAW:

    the FTFTFNYT was in the bag for Biden, etc.

     

    I can see how they would believe that given the comparison with how the NYT covered Clinton.

  140. 140.

    indycat32

    March 19, 2022 at 12:47 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Coach K is Bob Knight with better press.

  141. 141.

    Ken

    March 19, 2022 at 12:49 pm

    @Baud: It was me.  I put Putin into power.

    Tsk, tsk. And after all the times that Marvel and DC have warned us about using our powers without considering the consequences.

  142. 142.

    Feathers

    March 19, 2022 at 12:49 pm

    @NotMax: Reminds me of the local talent show from the 70s, done as a fundraiser for the local hospital. One of the best numbers was several men, in long tutus, makeup and swan crowns, doing Swan Lake – wearing snow shoes! I would have been in elementary school and it’s still one of the funniest things I’ve seen. They were so serious and did well. I can appreciate now how hard it would have been. Found out my ballet teacher did the coaching. It only went into the show if she had enough men who could dance it.

  143. 143.

    Geminid

    March 19, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    @indycat32: I’m glad Coach K is moving on, and I bet the refs in the ACC are really glad. What an arrogant asshole!

  144. 144.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    @CaseyL:

    The WHPC has always been like that, though. It’s been kind of a joke for a very long time.

    Yeah. You’re right. The sad and frustrating thing is that the press don’t have to be such sad sacks. In many ways, they choose to be.

    I remember Linda Ellerbee. A very talented and quirky reporter. I wish there were more people like her in the Beltway press corps.  I imagine that a lot of these dopes actually believe that they are as good as she was.

  145. 145.

    oatler

    March 19, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    @Baud:

    You need to see a sychiatrist.

  146. 146.

    Kelly

    March 19, 2022 at 12:55 pm

    @Another Scott: I had to look up midwits.

    Someone who is around average intelligence but is so opinionated and full of themselves that they think they’re some kind of genius.

  147. 147.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 12:55 pm

    Holy crap, Deshaun Watson’s new deal (with Cleveland of all places) is nearly a quarter-billion bucks. This, for a guy with copious sexual assault suits against him.

    What a country.

  148. 148.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    @Another Scott: ​That thing he did was so very Trumpy I have to believe the copycat relationship between the two was rather two-way. “If Donny can be doink, I do also. They love me! Maybe next I shoot a guy in Red Square.”

  149. 149.

    germy

    March 19, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    Russia’s astronauts enter the space station in yellow and blue flight suits.
    Three Russian astronauts launched to the International Space Station early Friday. A few hours later, their Soyuz spacecraft docked at the space station and, when they boarded the orbiting outpost, they were wearing flight suits of striking colors — yellow and blue, similar to the colors of Ukraine’s flag.

  150. 150.

    topclimber

    March 19, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    @matt:

    @trollhattan:

    Also an armchair corporal, but if switchblades are cheap yet stealthy, they sound like the perfect weapon to blow up some driveways and rose beds in Putin’s Dacha. Don’t want to kill anybody, just let him understand we can smack him from afar. That’s what Doolittle’s bombers did, inflicting little actual damage but shaking up the Japanese power structure and no doubt many residents of Tokyo.

  151. 151.

    indycat32

    March 19, 2022 at 1:00 pm

    @Geminid: He did bully them into submission.  In 1992 referee Ted Valentine (spit) fouled out most of our (Indiana) team to make sure Duke would get a back-to-back.  What? Me bitter?  Perish the thought.

  152. 152.

    Steeplejack

    March 19, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    @Brachiator:

    The original point was that Hunter Biden was the one who was really involved in corruption in Ukraine, and that was supposed to tar his father. When that started to fall apart they doubled down with wilder and wilder stuff, now aged and distilled so that “Hunter’s laptop!” is the only shorthand you need to know.

  153. 153.

    Ruckus

    March 19, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    @matt:

    Having done some manufacturing in the defense industry, I can tell you that the correlation between cost and effectiveness/usage of the product can be off by miles – in either direction. Now in this instance it seems the products have little in common as they are similar operational concepts but with quite different expected outcomes.

    See, I even know how to use the language of the defense industry.

  154. 154.

    RaflW

    March 19, 2022 at 1:03 pm

    @SFAW: My “with some exceptions” was sincere.

    A quick google yielded this fom PBS, which I do not disagree with:
    Jun 9, 2020 — The WHCA judges said, “Yamiche Alcindor is serious, incisive and — though she has a quiet demeanor — tough as nails.”

  155. 155.

    Geminid

    March 19, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    @trollhattan: A very discreditable move by the Browns. A lot of people will be comparing Watson’s treatment with that of Kaepernick.

    I will make a point of listening to the first hour of Hew Hewitt’s radio show on Monday morning. He’s a big Browns fan, and he’ll be freaking out.

  156. 156.

    smith

    March 19, 2022 at 1:05 pm

    @Carlo Graziani: It’s remarkable how leaky the Russian media crackdown is.

    One of my favorite online radio sites is one that apparently originates in Moscow. Ever since the start of the war they have published pieces by Ukrainians decrying the war. The interesting thing to me is that these are written in Russian, according to Google translate, which suggests that they are aimed directly at Russians accessing the site. I keep expecting this station to disappear, but so far it’s still going strong.

  157. 157.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    @Another Scott: It’s bit of hysterical comment on how corrupt modern Russia is that apparently lot of them got their War Rally tickets punched and then wandered off to an afternoon of shopping for black market Russian army supplies.  One of these days there is going to be a Dumas meeting were everyone is clapping for Putin and it comes out most of the clapping was per-recorded or the Dumas members hired professional clappers to take their place.

  158. 158.

    MisterForkbeard

    March 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    @eclare: If he’s a paid troll, Russians.Or Republicans. I think both might be accurate.

  159. 159.

    RaflW

    March 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    @Steeplejack: And, y’know, laptops contain emailz! Wether Hunter’s are buttered, we’ll have to wait and see.

  160. 160.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 19, 2022 at 1:11 pm

    @smith: Maybe, I gather the terror of being denounced is so bad no one in the Russian government is doing shit unless there is an ordered signed by Putin himself and on line radio is likely something Putin or his inner circle are are not aware of.

  161. 161.

    Uncle Cosmo

    March 19, 2022 at 1:13 pm

    @trollhattan: ​An Austrian friend’s father was arrested by the occupying Soviets for “collaborating” with Americans and sent to the gulag, only released after the 1955 treaty establishing Austria as independent.

    Vienna, 1980, in a wine-cellar downtown, I ended up sitting across from an older guy with a mustache and an Alpine hat and houndstooth jacket. I knew some German so I tried talking to him. He made a guttural noise and pointed to his throat. We then played zwazige Fragen auf deutsch and from his nods and gestures I pieced together his story:

    Drafted into the Wehrmacht after the Anschluss. Served on the Eastern Front til early 1945 when he’d taken a bullet through the vocal cords, was captured by the Red Army and sent to the Gulag. Released and sent home only after the 1955 state treaty that reestablished Austria as a permanently neutral nation.

    We really have lost in the passage of years that sort of gut-level understanding of what it meant to be one small person caught up in the horrors of war. Until now, sfortunamente, as we recover it in the suffering of Ukraine…

    Austrians understand Russia and Russians to their very core, and Arnold is old enough to remember that era.

    Oh yes they do. On that same initial trip to Europe, before leading us Yanks to that wine-cellar, my new Austrian friend had noted how the Russians had forever endeared themselves to the Viennese when they celebrated the liberation of their city by raping every woman between 8 and 80. Later he told me the story behind the Soviet war memorial in Vienna, which stood just outside the Ring on the same compass heading as the Upper and Lower Belvedere Palaces, and which by terms of the 1955 treaty, was to stand there in in perpetuity.

    On the Ring, just inside that exercise in brutalist triumphalism, the Viennese installed a fountain that continuously shot water 15-20 meters into the air. Every day as night fell, they floodlit the palaces and bathed the fountain in brilliant multicolored lights – and left the war memorial in complete darkness.** Very clever.

    ** I went there later to verify this. Wandering through the darkened memorial, with the only light what glinted off the quotes on the walls from Stalin in stainless-steel Cyrillic, I came close to breaking an ankle a couple of times before retreating to the lit world…

  162. 162.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 1:16 pm

    @SFAW:

    RE: Were we supposed to go “Aha, Hunter Biden is guilty of something. Therefore, Trump really won the election????”

    Possible. I think the sequence would be something like: Hunter’s laptop and Burisma would call Joe’s ethics into question, whereupon American voters would reject him at the polls, and TFG would win in a landslide.

    But the only people who believe in guilt by association are fools, Republicans and political strategists.

    Biden’s essential “ordinary guy” representation of fairness was too well established for the GOP to attack successfully. Even had Hunter Biden turned out to be a master criminal, at most this would have been personally painful to Biden, but every human being with a lick of sense would have shrugged this off even more definitively than they shrugged off Clinton’s “impeachment level” blow jobs back in the day.

    There was no story here. There never could be a story, outside the addled brains of a Fox News panel of pundits.

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    zhena gogolia

    March 19, 2022 at 1:18 pm

    @Another Scott: I didn’t know they were busing them in from outside Moscow.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 19, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    Meanwhile, this week in 1943 sounds eerily familiar.

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    Cameron

    March 19, 2022 at 1:22 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I thought Dumas was the bro who wrote The Three Musketeers.

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    Steeplejack

    March 19, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    @SFAW:

    Yamiche Alcindor is no longer part of the White House press corps, although I can’t find when she left. (Maybe since December?) She is still the moderator of Washington Week on PBS but also has just been hired as a “Washington correspondent” by NBC. Geoff Bennett replaced her at PBS NewsHour, so maybe he’s their new White House reporter.

    I have gotten a twinge of concern as Alcindor starts to rise the analyst/​pundit ladder. She is a good reporter, and Trump apparently hated her—a plus, of course—and she has long been a guest on a lot of the shows, but recently I saw a segment where she appeared to be leading the conversation and she went for one of those forced “This is trouble for Joe Biden” tie-ins. Ugh. It caused a minor seism on Twitter, but I can’t run it down now.

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    topclimber

    March 19, 2022 at 1:26 pm

    @germy: Maybe they expect Putin to be gone before they are due to fly home.

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    Kent

    March 19, 2022 at 1:30 pm

    Since this is an open thread, here is what life is like in our household this morning.

    My wife the doctor gets woken up by early morning dick-pics texted from her elderly father in Santiago Chile.  For real.  He is about 90 and has growing dementia and has been complaining about his “itchy scrotum” for a week now.  But of course because he has dementia he forgets (1) the 5 or 6 hour time zone difference between Santiago and Portland, and (2) that my wife has been telling him and her mother for a week to just go buy some anti-fungal cream.  But no, he keeps sending her dick-pics of his scrotum so she can do her magic doctor diagnosis virtually.

    On top of that she gets another text this morning from her nephew (also from Chile) who announced he is arriving today with 4 of his buddies.  They have all been working as ski instructors or ski patrol down in CA (Lake Tahoe maybe?) and are taking a week-long road trip to the Northwest to check out the skiing up here.   Of course they are welcome to stay in the basement but a tiny bit of prior notice would have been nice as the teen and her friends have been using it for gaming and hang-outs and who knows what state of mess it is in.

    So I’m laughing my ass off but my wife is very much not amused.   Especially as she hasn’t had her coffee yet.  As she put it. “There are some things you can never un-see.”

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    Uncle Cosmo

    March 19, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: [T]hey will take it for granted that they personally will survive the nuclear war and be better off for it.

    It’s just a more drastic version of Davis X. Machina’s curtain-rod conjecture from this very blog:

    The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.

    They’d sign up in a New York nanosecond for life in a postnuclear hellscape (which FTR they are utterly incapable of conceiving as one one-thousandth as hellish at it would actually be) so long at Those People who don’t look/speak/love/worship/think like them get their comeuppins. And they are serenely convinced that their Big Bad Daddy of a Supreme Being will make it so. If he doesn’t just Rapture them up so they can giggle over the flaming fate of all those lesser folks for all eternity…

    Imbecile fuckers.

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    eclare

    March 19, 2022 at 1:35 pm

    @Kent:   That is quite a morning!

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    indycat32

    March 19, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    @trollhattan: he needs the money to pay the settlements on those  sexual assault suits – 23 at last count I think.

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    Steeplejack

    March 19, 2022 at 1:40 pm

    @delk:

    Yes, Right to Rise is the Brink’s guy. Sample thread from 2015.

    Possibly boring note: Roused myself to get off the phone and dive into the Google on the real computer. One thing I learned in my deep dives for the Balloon Juice anniversary threads is that for a lot of ephemeral stuff Google keeps items in the “easily retrieved” cache (my term) for only a few years. I kept hitting a wall around 2016-17. You can overcome it with much more specific search terms, but quite often the more specific terms are exactly the things you can’t remember.

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    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 1:40 pm

    @Kent: 

    But of course because he has dementia he forgets (1) the 5 or 6 hour time zone difference between Santiago and Portland,

    Being a geography doofus, I might have thought that Portland and Chile were in the same time zone, since they are both on the Pacific Ocean. But I forget that South America is not straight down from North America.

    On top of that she gets another text this morning from her nephew (also from Chile) who announced he is arriving today with 4 of his buddies.

    In olden times you might have received the letter informing you of their upcoming visit about four weeks after they had returned home.

    Still, it is more than a little thoughtless that the nephew would not ask permission first, especially in these days of instant communication.

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    West of the Rockies

    March 19, 2022 at 1:40 pm

    I don’t believe in an afterlife.

    I hope for Putin there is a Hell.

  175. 175.

    different-church-lady

    March 19, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    @Ken:

    And after all the times that Marvel and DC have warned us about using our powers without considering the consequences.

    I know! For starters, nobody can make anything but superhero films now.

  176. 176.

    Kent

    March 19, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    @Brachiator:  Being a geography doofus, I might have thought that Portland and Chile were in the same time zone, since they are both on the Pacific Ocean. But I forget that South America is not straight down from North America.

    Geographically the west coast of South America is on the same latitude as the east coast of the US.  But there is also daylight savings time which operates in reverse in both continents because the seasons are opposite.  They spring forward when we fall back and vice versa.   Anyway, I can never figure out the time difference because it changes by the seasons

     

    Still, it is more than a little thoughtless that the nephew would not ask permission first, especially in these days of instant communication.

    Oh, he apparently asked permission a month or two ago and my wife of course said yes but they never had any dates nailed down.  I guess we are lucky to get 6 hour notice!

  177. 177.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 1:44 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    What a trip. Suspect we think of Austria as some Alpine wonderland and forget to ponder the horrors that took place there from the ’40s to the ’60s.

    Time to revisit Wells’ “The Third Man” and ponder the Viennese ruins, and paranoia so prominent in the film.

  178. 178.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 1:46 pm

    @Kent:

    Skiers–taking a break from working at a ski resort to go skiing sounds so on brand.

    Sorry about gramps’ junk pics. That he can operate a phone at that age is a wonder unto itself.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    March 19, 2022 at 1:48 pm

    @Kalakal: ​As the Russian army gets sucked into and chewed up in Ukraine, those ideas are going to grow and an overextended Russian military can do less and less to keep the lid on.

    Gotta wonder whether the price for Chinese aid to prop up Ptui!n’s warcriming army will be prying the ‘Stans loose from his grip. Trying to reconstitute Greater Russia by force, he may in fact have triggered its final unrecoverable shattering. Hell of a way to go down in the history books.​

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    Frankensteinbeck

    March 19, 2022 at 1:48 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Were we supposed to go “Aha, Hunter Biden is guilty of something. Therefore, Trump really won the election????”

    No.  It is ‘Nuh uh, YOU!’ kindergarten level bullshit, which is unfortunately standard Republican rhetorical style.  Trump was wildly corrupt and engaging in active nepotism, and it was public knowledge Republicans were being shamed with.  Therefor, they had to paint Biden as the wildly corrupt one engaging in nepotism.

    This thinking foes from the bottom to the top.  Remember that Trump wasn’t just extorting Ukraine over a Hunter Biden investigation.  He wanted them to turn over a server, which he apparently believed exists and is in Ukraine, that held the 30,000 deleted emails which proved Hilary set him up and she’s the one who conspired with Russia, not him.

  181. 181.

    Another Scott

    March 19, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    @Brachiator: Disagree.  There is a story here.  Just not the one FTFNYT is reporting.

    The story is that the GQP can (directly or indirectly) ransack political opponents’ private communications – even when they are not public figures, not elected representatives, not public servants – and the press willingly and gratefully runs with those communications as if they’re somehow equivalent to the recipe for turning straw into gold.

    I thought there were laws against “receipt of stolen goods” and the like.  Private communication certainly should get the same protection.

    Calling something “leaked” does not make it fair game.

    It’s disappointing to me that the EFF and the like seemingly are not outraged by this absolute trampling of privacy rights.  (Maybe they are – I haven’t heard anything about it, though.)

    Grrr…,
    Scott.

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    Steeplejack

    March 19, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Good point.

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    Ken

    March 19, 2022 at 2:03 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: The Chinese kind of had that in mind anyway. The Belt and Road initiative was first announced as the Silk Road Economic Belt.

  184. 184.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 2:16 pm

    The death toll among Russian troops in Ukraine has been elusive. One place to look for evidence is in the Belarusian border region of Homel, reports @svaboda https://t.co/S4je3Y7KrS
    — Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (@RFERL) March 19, 2022

  185. 185.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 2:19 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    As a Son of Vienna, I confirm every word of this is true.

  186. 186.

    Spanky

    March 19, 2022 at 2:25 pm

    @Ken: Nicely played. {Golf clap}

  187. 187.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 2:29 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Trump was wildly corrupt and engaging in active nepotism, and it was public knowledge Republicans were being shamed with. Therefor, they had to paint Biden as the wildly corrupt one engaging in nepotism.

    Great point. The Republicans were trying some weird reverse projection, but it was doomed to fail because it was bullshit. Even if the “nepotism” was 10000 percent right, this did not lead to criminal behavior on the part of Biden.

    By any measure, this was a fool’s errand. But the Republicans foolishly and arrogantly believed that they could get away with this.

    But again, what grates me the most is that the ignorati of the press kept gnawing on this fake bone of a story, insisting that there was some minuscule marrow of relevance to anything.

    And I am sure that some fools will still insist that this “story” was “newsworthy.”

    This thinking foes from the bottom to the top. Remember that Trump wasn’t just extorting Ukraine over a Hunter Biden investigation. He wanted them to turn over a server, which he apparently believed exists and is in Ukraine, that held the 30,000 deleted emails which proved Hilary set him up and she’s the one who conspired with Russia, not him.

    Among the many things that made Trump a scary, unworthy and unpredictable fraud was the fact that he seemed to believe half of the shit that he made up himself or that was fed to him by other fools and handlers.

  188. 188.

    trollhattan

    March 19, 2022 at 2:32 pm

    @Sebastian:

    One link leads to another. Here’s BoJo comparing Ukraine’s struggles to the Brits passing Brexit. They’re the same, you know. Somebody tranquilize Tony Jay.

  189. 189.

    MomSense

    March 19, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    @Kent:

    OMG I’m so sorry but I had a good laugh – with you not at you.  I tell my friends that they call us the sandwich generation, but it feels more like a panini.

  190. 190.

    Brachiator

    March 19, 2022 at 2:45 pm

    @Another Scott:

    The story is that the GQP can (directly or indirectly) ransack political opponents’ private communications – even when they are not public figures, not elected representatives, not public servants – and the press willingly and gratefully runs with those communications as if they’re somehow equivalent to the recipe for turning straw into gold.

    Public figures typically get no protection from the investigations of the press. And this can include semi-public figures and even private individuals if the press deems the story to be sufficiently “hot.”

    And even if the press totally trample someone’s rights to privacy, at best they will apologize and swear that they won’t do it again. And then they will do it again.

    I thought there were laws against “receipt of stolen goods” and the like. Private communication certainly should get the same protection.

    Could be. But there are exceptions carved out for the press, by tradition, if not by outright court rulings.

    BTW: From earlier comments here, I looked and see that the White House Press Corps arose with the fast rise in the number of newspapers in the 1880s during the Grover Cleveland administration. And the press early on hounded Cleveland not in following some important political story, but after his marriage to a 21 year old.

    And here is how they justified their actions:

    The idea of offending the bachelor sensitiveness of President Cleveland or the maidenly reserve of his bride has been far from anybody’s thought…We must insist that the President is public property; that it is perfectly legitimate to send correspondents and reporters to follow him when he goes on a journey, and to keep watch over him and his family.

    And thus a precedent and tradition was established.

  191. 191.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 19, 2022 at 2:57 pm

    @MomSense:

    Then the Bolshoi postponed it indefinitely.

    Wow, I hadn’t seen that! But I think they’re missing the point. I (and, I guess, many others) weren’t boycotting Swan Lake per se. We are, and were, boycotting the Bolshoi Theatre/Ballet itself as a Russian Government institution. And sadly, that’s going to last as long as Russia is in Ukraine. But I’ll gladly watch a Western company do Swan Lake or The Firebird, or the Met do Boris or Prince Igor, etc.

  192. 192.

    Ruckus

    March 19, 2022 at 3:03 pm

    @Brachiator:

    SFB believes most of the crap that flows out of his mouth, quite possibly all of. He believes himself to be the world’s smartest, bestest man. His ego isn’t any smarter than he is but it is bigger.

  193. 193.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 3:18 pm

    @Jonas:

    Actually, he fell victim to a prank. It was a reporter pretending to be one of Putin’s guys offering to bribe him.

  194. 194.

    Kalakal

    March 19, 2022 at 3:31 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Hell of a way to go down in the history books.

    Yep, not so much Vlad the Great as Vlad the Blithering Idiot. There is a definite chance that he will undo 300 years of Russian Imperial expansion in under a year

  195. 195.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I think we should put up a tip jar, where every time someone posts an amazing link like you just did, the person completely astonished and mesmerized by it (that would be me in this case) has to drop a buck or five into the jar.

    Thank you! I am hooked.

  196. 196.

    danielx

    March 19, 2022 at 3:46 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Indeed, Tony Jay will be frothing at the mouth, and rightly so.

  197. 197.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 3:47 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I would pay cash money to have Zelinskyy ram a Javelin up Boris’ ass.

  198. 198.

    AM in NC

    March 19, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Read that earlier today and sent it around to my lady friends, and we all laughed and laughed.  And then watched the Heels make it into the Sweet 16!

  199. 199.

    Ishiyama

    March 19, 2022 at 4:05 pm

    @Baud: I found a note in the basement: ‘We killed him—signed, Morty’

  200. 200.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 4:05 pm

    Found this useful.

    Russian GDP was 1.75trillion $’s 3 weeks ago when RUBLE was 72 now Ruble against $ is 30% lower and not convertible if translated GDP in real terms it is already 30% lower. A plunging currency plays havoc with the GDP growth inflation. pic.twitter.com/KjIY6HKUHd
    — Iqbal Latif (@ilatif) March 19, 2022

  201. 201.

    Martin

    March 19, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    Jen should go down as the best press secretary in WH history. She’s absurdly good. I was a bit disappointed when Karine Jean-Pierre didn’t get the job because I adore her, but I get it now.

  202. 202.

    Martin

    March 19, 2022 at 4:10 pm

    @Sebastian: Unfortunately, the higher oil prices combined with few embargoes on Russian energy have resulted in Russia growing their cash reserves despite US currency freezes. The EU has got to get on the stick here as they are now very directly funding Russias side of the war. I know how hard that is to do, but they have to do it.

  203. 203.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    Morale.

    https://t.co/m4JWnh8waH
    — CIT (en) (@CITeam_en) March 3, 2022

  204. 204.

    Sebastian

    March 19, 2022 at 4:13 pm

    @Martin:

    Completely agree. Germany’s contribution to this entire situation including their appalling performance at this very moment should never be forgotten.

    Absolutely agree re Jen Psaki. She will be remembered as a Titan.

  205. 205.

    Martin

    March 19, 2022 at 4:19 pm

    If you were wondering why Russia is having so much trouble with their 40 mile convoy coming down west of Chernobyl, it’s because Ukraine is using the Kyiv Reservoir to flood the area to the west. It’s basically now a giant swamp and many roads are flooded. Russia can’t even bridge it. That’s forcing them to swing way out west, even further from support and stretching their supply lines even further. I don’t know how long they can keep up that flooding effort.

  206. 206.

    SWMBO

    March 19, 2022 at 4:21 pm

    @Kalakal: ​
      He would filter it through his kidneys first.

  207. 207.

    Captain C

    March 19, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Rand Paul?  No way.  He would refuse, then tell you how principled he is for refusing.  He’s as much a mean little shit as he is a Libertarian.

    People who pontificate on how principled they are for screwing you howl the loudest when you return the favor.

  208. 208.

    Captain C

    March 19, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    @Feathers:

    the awful left. That her method of dealing with idiot questions from wingnuts might be more effective than whatever preaching they fantasize about is unpossible to imagine.

    A good chunk of that particular set is probably more in love with the sound of their own voice/sight of their own typed words than anything else.  As are a good chunk of the awful right wing and both sides pundits.  Plus, it’s easier to yell at people than to actually make a workable plan to improve something.

  209. 209.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 19, 2022 at 5:06 pm

    @zhena gogolia: The Louis Sullivan church is beautiful. I’ve never been inside, though.

  210. 210.

    Morzer

    March 19, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/mar/19/russia-ukraine-war-latest-zelenskiy-urges-honest-peace-talks-without-delay-russian-forces-tighten-grip-around-mariupol-live#block-62364b108f08ee17b5372dc5

    The Kyiv Independent reported today that Russia is illegally forcing untrained men living in the Russian-controlled Donbas region to fight and putting them on the frontlines.

    “These people have never even held a machine gun in their hands,” said Oleksii, a 24-year-old resident of Russian-occupied Khrestivka in Donetsk, speaking of friends, classmates and former colleagues that he knows have been conscripted.

    One Donbas resident named Anastasia told the news outlet that these civilians from Donbas are forced to serve in frontline positions, with Russian forces threatening to shoot them if they don’t comply.

  211. 211.

    satby

    March 19, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    @ian: that was absolutely not Cornerstone.

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