Biden grabs a slice of pizza with the troops pic.twitter.com/bibv2eduPj
— Jordan Fabian (@Jordanfabian) March 25, 2022
Usually that Secret Service agent thinks it’s a pretty good gig, but right now, he’s the dog tied up on the curb while everybody’s partying in the restaurant…
"Well, if you're starting to eat, I'm gonna sit down and have something to eat."
Pres. Biden eats pizza with service members in Rzeszow, Poland. https://t.co/PbopYhUNoE pic.twitter.com/3jiFp6pgJS
— ABC News (@ABC) March 25, 2022
U.S. President Joe Biden takes a selfie with U.S. Army soldiers assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division at the G2 Arena in Jasionka, near Rzeszow, Poland, March 25, 2022. REUTERS/Evelyn Hockstein pic.twitter.com/aJ7yx8Ut1u
— Phil Stewart (@phildstewart) March 25, 2022
.@POTUS meets service members from the 82nd Airborne Division in Rzeszów, Poland. pic.twitter.com/9CUGbMyZOs
— Doug Mills (@dougmillsnyt) March 25, 2022
Looks like one of these guys is mortally afraid of his own troops. I'm just not sure which one. Could you please help me to figure it out? pic.twitter.com/cqtoR1T7MQ
— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 25, 2022
This is going about as well as predicted https://t.co/N4WAmHUvKf
— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) March 25, 2022
21st century King Arthur adaptation looks lit https://t.co/AOp0x8TZ0i
— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) March 24, 2022
Local newspaper in Moscow. "NOTHING IS HAPPENING. Walk on by. A special operation is underway. No one is growing poor. The economy is growing." pic.twitter.com/b7DHHzOmZz
— Marc Bennetts (@marcbennetts1) March 25, 2022
Besubaru!
MLB doesn’t want you to know that baseball is more fun in Japan https://t.co/KrTufFrgRC
— alyssa, the Severance watcher, (@alyssakeiko) March 25, 2022
This is how Big Boss handled the first pitch on Opening Day.
Major League Baseball is missing out. pic.twitter.com/cixSYBBsEj
— Michael Mayer (@mikemayer22) March 25, 2022
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone ???
SiubhanDuinne
This thread is just chock full o’ cheer! What a nice way to start Saturday morning. Thanks, Anne Laurie!
ETA: Good morning, rikyrah! ???
germy
debbie
@germy:
Nice, but these should be handed out during the actual awards ceremony. I understand technical awards wouldn’t be included, but these actors deserve their moments too. Get rid of those overblown production numbers instead.
tom
Joe looks like he’s enjoying himself. Can you imagine Trump sitting down and grabbing pizza with the troops?
germy
@debbie:
I agree.
Suzanne
@tom:
Only if they had forks and knives.
debbie
@Suzanne:
Apparently the jalapeños got to him. Imagine the grievances TFG would be nursing over and over!
Frankensteinbeck
@tom:
Only if they cry and thank him for saving the military and America. I would add ‘and the world’ but Trump assumes the world is the enemy.
OzarkHillbilly
@SiubhanDuinne: Blech.
Honus
Has anyone noted previously that Frances McDormand is an alum of the blogfather’s institution?
“..settling in Monessen, Pennsylvania, where McDormand graduated from Monessen High School in 1975. She attended Bethany College in West Virginia, earning a Bachelor of Arts degree in theaterin 1979.”
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
Welcome back!
Parfigliano
@tom: I can imagine Trump sitting with the troops and grabbing ALL the pizza.
SFAW
@Suzanne:
And ketchup. Especially if it’s cooked “well done.”
Kayla Rudbek
So I have gone through my first two weeks of training for my new job. Early days as of yet, but so far it feels like a much better fit than my previous job in terms of people. I’m a bit worried about the pace that I will be eventually working at, but after seeing one of the trainers get through writing up and disposing of two cases in under two hours, I think that the tools may be better on the new side of the house. I was commenting to Mr. Rudbek yesterday that since the workforce on this side of the house is more even in terms of gender, that the women don’t want to put up with wasting time. What’s one of the rotating tags here? “Women: they get shit done.”
And I saw that Judge Brown Jackson is a knitter and crocheter, with a basement full of yarn. Now I’m trying to figure out if I have ever seen her at my local yarn store in Alexandria, Virginia. I suppose that if she gets confirmed that she will need a lot of security to go out and about :(
zhena gogolia
@Honus: No, wow!
That Dyadya Vanya video is so sad.
pluky
@debbie: Leave those to the Tony people; they know how to put on a stage show!
SiubhanDuinne
@tom:
Andrei Kozyrev, former foreign minister of Russia (under Yeltsin), was on Ali Velshi’s show a little while ago. He said that when he served as FM, a day or two of that kind of schedule would have knocked him flat, and he was in his early 40s at the time. Kozyrev is now 70 and said he didn’t think he could keep up with Biden now. He seemed in awe of Joe’s stamina, especially considering his age.
Kay
This isn’t true. Justice Thomas (and Justice Alito) would have allowed Texas v Pennsylvania to proceed.
(One term) President Trump even thanked them publicly for their support.
SFAW
@Parfigliano:
And then blaming Biden, Hillary, and Obama for there not being enough for the troops.
“An Admiral — big, strong guy — came to me, with tears in his eyes, and said ‘Sir, your leadership has made pizza possible’ — did you know I created the World’s Best Pizza? — ‘but my pilots are unable to enjoy it, because Hunter Biden stole all of them when he stole the election. So my Marines will support anything you command, including arresting Sleepy Joe for Treason Due to Lack of Pizza. Just give the word.’ So I told him to arrest Hillary and that black guy, too.”
SiubhanDuinne
@Honus:
So is William H. Macy! Well, he transferred to another college, so he’s not technically a Bethany alum, but still.
debbie
@Kay:
Consider the source.
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
No big deal, neither is Cole. Or are you under the impression John actually graduated?
ETA: Yes, of course I’m kidding. Unfortunately, I too-often yield to the temptation of attempting a cheap joke.
Honus
@tom: I sure we’ll hear that Biden did something elitist like asking for mustard on a cheese steak.
Ishiyama
That photo of Putin reminded me of a Walt Kelly poem: “The Prince of Pompadoodle sent his every friend away, and sat alone, safe locked alive, to count another day”. http://whirledofkelly.blogspot.com/2010/05/prince-of-pompadoodle.html
MomSense
@Kayla Rudbek:
Congrats on the new job! Basement full of yarn definitely got all the fiber folks excited. I’m seeing a lot of indie dyers want to make KBJ colorways. I loving it!
Honus
@zhena gogolia: yeah, I was in college then and would do summer theater in Wheeling in those days. I’ll have to ask Tom Stobart if she was ever around then.
Kay
@debbie:
If the substackers are going to defend Justice Thomas’ corruption- and I’m sure they are because that’s the appropriately “contrarian” position and they’re all such genuises and original thinkers that blatant corruption is “too easy”- they’re going to have to work harder than this. It’s complicated.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
Fairness to even the worst slime when they deserve it: Thomas and Alito added to their dissent, in lawyer speak, that there’s no way in fuck they would have ruled in favor of Texas. They just have a long-standing policy (and they do, it’s recorded) of thinking the Supreme Court is obligated to hear every case of that state-vs-state variety.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Loved the pics of Biden eating with the troops. Love that he went to Poland to start with. I can’t even imagine TFG doing that.
Suzanne
@Honus: Are you kidding?! We’ll hear that Biden ate an actual vegetable once. And not one of those Real American vegetables, like ketchup. ELITIST.
Suzanne
@Parfigliano:
I can imagine him doing his shitty JAZZ HANDS!!! pose in front of the pizza, but not actually sitting with the troops or talking with them.
One thing about Trump, he always looked so uncomfortable around actual humans.
debbie
@Frankensteinbeck:
Pretty safe to say something like that when they’ve already refused it. It seems more a pathetic attempt to maintain judicial integrity than anything else.
OzarkHillbilly
Why pay good money for an expensive joke when there are so many cheap ones available?
zhena gogolia
@Ishiyama: My husband looked at the picture and said, “It looks like that James Bond scene where they drop someone in a trap door from under the desk.”
OzarkHillbilly
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Polish golf courses really suck. Not a single one named “trump”.
Honus
@SiubhanDuinne: wow, I didn’t know about Macy. Almost like Bethany is a mini Barter Theater!
WaterGirl
@MomSense: What’s a color way?
montanareddog
@SiubhanDuinne: so, when Jerry Lundegaard stepped out of his office during his interview with Marge Gunderson at the dealership, and then did a runner, it was a metaphor for the actors’ respective Bethany College experiences?
Honus
@SFAW: Cole is a WVU alum. Bethany is an expensive tony private school for the Northern Panhandle elite.
Steeplejack
Thought for the day from @megelison:
Checks out.
Ishiyama
@zhena gogolia: “He who sups with the Devil should bring a long spoon” (Jack Vance).
debbie
@Steeplejack:
Yep, but not just in the Midwest. I remember standing behind someone at a just-opened French restaurant/bakery in late 1970s NYC and hearing him request a “croyzant” sandwich. ??♀️
Omnes Omnibus
@Honus: I am not a Cole expert, but I believe he did a year of two at Bethany before joining the Army. That, I think, where he gets his fraternity connection. Also, Delta Tau Delta (my fraternity , but not Cole’s) was founded at Bethany.
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
For multicolored yarn it is the combination or formula that makes that particular colorway unique from the others. The colorways are variable though because dyeing is not precise. There are also batch lots so you know the yarn you buy was dyed at the same time.
germy
prostratedragon
@Steeplejack: Not just Midwest. Consider “Tolliver,” often from the South. There’s another one in my Piedmont family that you’d think was Irish, till you see it.
Raven
@OzarkHillbilly: How’s the family down there? We was all worried about you and them and the tornado.
Honus
@Omnes Omnibus: Cool. I knew a lot of DuTuhDuhs at UVA. Never knew they started at Bethany.
I knew Cole played lacrosse at WVU but it doesn’t surprise me he did a couple years at Bethany.
You know Lady Gaga’s mom is from Moundsville, went to John Marshall HS and was a WVU cheerleader.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Allouez, WI, would like a word with you.
Raven
@SiubhanDuinne: I attended and taught at the NC State School of Sports Management at Oglebay Park
outside of Wheeling and we’d go to Bethany College to shoot hoops. I’ve told that to John multiple times over the years and he has never once acknowledged it! Also the fact his mom did her doctorate here at UGA never elicits a peep!
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Frankensteinbeck:
It’s what happens when you let galaxy brain Ivy League assholes capture an institution. Every brief, every opinion has to be a tome with long explanation of principles, and bedrock “doctrines” apply in the shadows.
It is the perfect environment for well-born sociopathic issue focus think-tank conservative lawyers to thrive.
It would be far more preferable for them to rule on a greater number of cases with far shorter orders, some of them so brief as to say “just no, this is a stupid result – see the precedent of X as to why we think this was stupid.”
This model would forever change the dynamic, and would let the air out of the balloon of hubris that leads them to act the way they do and how they’re confirmed.
Betty Cracker
Badger and Pete catching some morning sun next to my muddy Jeep.
Omnes Omnibus
@Honus: I went skiing at Seven Springs once and have driven through the panhandle a bunch of times on I70. Those are my only connections with WV.
Raven
@Honus: Ever go to Wheeling Downs for the Greyhound races?
Honus
@prostratedragon: You refer to “Taliaferro” right?
germy
Wisdom from our highly educated elites
prostratedragon
@Betty Cracker: Love that bumper sticker. Doggies are nice, too.
Roger Moore
After seeing those Japanese baseball scenes, I only want to say “Shinjo kawaii!”
Naturally, there’s a story here. Back in 2002, he played for San Francisco in the same outfield as Barry Bonds. I went to see a Dodgers/Giants game at Dodger Stadium and sat in the outfield seats. Interestingly, in the same section there was a group of macho Dodger fans who wanted to boo all the Giants and a group of teenage Japanese girls who had obviously come to the game just to watch Shinjo.
For the first part of the game, the Dodger fans had their fill shouting insults at Bonds, but when he refused to even acknowledge them, they decided it was time to start insulting Shinjo instead. Since the macho Dodger fans had been drinking, their judgment was impaired, and one of them thought it would be a good idea to ask the Japanese teenagers for advice on how to insult Shinjo. Thus I was treated to the surreal scene of a bunch of drunk Dodger fans shouting “Shinjo kawaii!” (Shinjo’s cute!) in a completely failed attempt to insult him.
prostratedragon
@Honus: Yep.
ETA Or Tailleferre.
Ken
@Steeplejack: But almost preferable to someone trying to use the French pronunciation and mangling it.
Honus
@Omnes Omnibus: I lived in Buena Vista Virginia when I was in law school at W&L. Pronounced, well,”Bue Na” Vista; I always enjoyed calling California companies to order software in those days and giving them my address and waiting for the reaction
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ken
@germy: It must be horrible to have to produce sixteen column inches of text three times a week. I don’t know if I could cope with the pressure.
germy
@Ken:
Haberman never lets having nothing to say stop her.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Frankensteinbeck:
It’s what happens when you let galaxy brain Ivy League assholes capture an institution. Every brief, every opinion has to be a tome with long explanation of principles, and bedrock “doctrines” apply in the shadows.
It is the perfect environment for well-born sociopathic issue focus think-tank conservative lawyers to thrive.
It would be far more preferable for them to rule on a greater number of cases with far shorter orders, some of them so brief as to say “just no, this is a stupid result – see the precedent of X as to why we think this was stupid.”
This model would forever change the dynamic, and would let the air out of the balloon of hubris that leads them to act the way they do and how they’re confirmed.
@Omnes Omnibus:
Is that sort of like the Kremlinologists of the 70s and 80s?
prostratedragon
And let’s not overlook the obvious Illinois. At least I haven’t heard the s in years.
Omnes Omnibus
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: It may be. But I still ain’t one.
different-church-lady
@germy: She may have nothing to say, but she also may not have nothing to say.
Honus
@Raven: no, and I’m so old they raced horses there in my day. The Wheeling HS baseball field was on Wheeling Island near the racetrack and we rode a buses onto the Island to play baseball when I was high school and on those warm spring afternoons all the sporting girls were lounging on the porches and balconies of the infamously numerous brothels along the route and took great amusement at the hormone filled pubescent teenage boys ogling them out of the bus windows, smiling, waving and posing for us.
germy
@different-church-lady:
Views differ
Captain C
@Parfigliano:
“Everyone else gets one slice! I get an entire pie! The best pie! The bigliest pie! Did you know I taught the Italians how to make pizza? They all say, ‘sir’, they always call me sir, they say ‘sir, if it wasn’t for you, there would be no pizza! Thank you for our livelihoods!'”
Roger Moore
@Steeplejack:
This is by no means restricted to the Midwest, as anyone from Smackover, AR or Versailles, KY can attest.
Honus
@prostratedragon: My bride of 33 years, a native, severely upbraids me whenever I pronounce the s.
Kay
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yeah, I’m aware. My own opinion is the threat to the 2020 election was bigger than what was portrayed, because a lot of people very much want to believe that institutions will hold when I think that was and is in doubt.
Nothing has changed. None of the weaknesses that were there in 2020 have been remedied. It will happen again and the next time they will be better at it. We were lucky in 2020. We had some D governors and some D election officials, we had a genuinely alarmed media and corporate sector who didn’t want unrest and wouldn’t go along, and there were very few real election irregularities to exploit.
It was luck. The stars didn’t align just right for a coup. We won’t get that lucky again.
Raven
@Honus: I doubt if you are much older than me but I was there in the early 80’s for that experience .
Raven
@Honus: I hate it too!
eta My bride is from Appomattox!
Ishiyama
@Roger Moore: sugoi!
different-church-lady
@germy: She may have nothing to say, but she also might not have anything to say.
SFAW
@Honus: Hoist on my own petard
zhena gogolia
@germy: Fantastic!
Honus
@Roger Moore: But not Crozet, Virginia.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker: Also fantastic!
Frankensteinbeck
@Steeplejack:
it will be pronounced in the unfrenchiest way you can imagine.
Versailles in Kentucky: ‘Vur-sails’.
Kay
@Frankensteinbeck:
Actually, truthfully, something has changed since 2020 but unfortunately it goes in the wrong direction. They have issued terrible opinion after terrible opinion on election law since 2020 so now we have a better idea how far they will go to tilt the field towards Republicans- very, very far.
SFAW
@Kay:
You remind me — in the sense that you make me think of, not that you resemble — of the geniuses who, when the first election after Citizens United did not result in a Rethug landslide, they said “See? No big deal!”
Unless they’re stopped, they’ll keep attempting a coup, or attempting to destroy democracy, until they “get it right.”
germy
@zhena gogolia:
Honus
@Raven:From your stories about your military service I think I’m about five years younger than you (67) but I grew up about thirty miles down the river from Wheeling, so I remember the horses from when I was a kid. Were they still racing horses in the 80s (or are you possibly referring to the other notable business establishments on Wheeling Island?)
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Well THAT explains a lot. We had Delts at my school, and they were …
.. actually, they were all (or most of them, at least) pretty good guys, and my frat had a pretty good relationship with DTD.
debbie
@Betty Cracker:
Pete’s huge!
Raven
@Honus: Ah, it’s the same place!
debbie
@germy:
Mags channeling DougJ?
Kay
@SFAW:
It isn’t just me! This is the mainstream expert opinion. There are no mainstream election experts who disagree with this. It’s still happening. They’re grabbing these election cases and issuing broad, sweeping new rules.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Are we even sure they would have ruled against TX if the court heard the case? I’m not assuming that, no matter what they said in the dissent. Thomas lives with a Q nut-bag and might be one himself. The Fed Soc-underwritten SCOTUS majority allowed TX to abridge women’s long-established rights while it gears up to remove protections for the rest of us egg carriers. My assumption is they’ll do anything they can to ensure minority wingnut rule.
prostratedragon
@Honus: ?
germy
Honus
@Raven: Ask you bride if she knew Dr. Larry Smith. He was a law school classmate and dear friend and Appamattox native.
Betty Cracker
@debbie: He just turned 5 months old. Looks like he’ll be bigger than Badger by the time he’s done growing.
tokyocali (formerly tokyo expat)
@SiubhanDuinne: My dad was also a Bethany grad. Class of ’58 I think.
@Roger Moore: Made me laugh. I wonder if they ever figured it out. There was an Angels announcer last year that started yelling Suwatte kudasai when Ohtani hit a Homer. The first time it happened, I was certain I’d heard wrong and then it happened again. Suwatte kudasai means please sit down, which didn’t make sense when fans were standing up and shouting in excitement. Some things definitely get lost in translation!
Raven
@germy: My former tenant’s dad died Monday and, while I didn’t know him well, I was considering going to the funeral today. I looked at the video tribute to the man and there was a picture of him, Cruz and Jody Hice. I just can’t.
Raven
@Honus: She said she knows who he is but doesn’t really know him. She’s 64.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I’m not sure of anything. If anyone says they are “sure” they haven’t followed any election law since 2020. They’re radical as fuck. They’re grabbing cases they don’t have to take right now.
This was outrageous. It was also last week:
OldDave
@Frankensteinbeck:
Or the “pronounced as written” town of Ponce de Leon, Florida, known as “Ponce D Leon” to the locals.
Honus
@Raven: Yes, the same place. That history is pretty sanitized. Wheeling Downs was owned for years by the notorious Big Bill Lias, the 300lb mobster that ran Wheeling’s prostitution and gambling for decades. Famous for car bombing his rival Paul Hankish and blowing off his legs but not killing him. The IRS nailed Lias and seized Wheeling Downs in late 60s.
Roger Moore
@Honus:
I’m actually surprised that the people in the part of Colorado where I grew up managed to get Cache la Poudre and La Porte halfway OK. It’s not the French pronunciation by any means, but at least it’s close enough you know what French they’re trying to say.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I think there is a kind of veneration of these institutions that comes from a good place. Sure there’s fancy lawyers who are asskissers advancing their careers but there’s also a larger group of people who just want to believe that it isn’t corrupted because they value it. I just don’t think we can afford that kind of sentimentality and denial anymore. Look at the cases. They’re telling us in no uncertain terms that they don’t recognize any limits. It doesn’t mean you have to collapse in tears and give up but in my view you have to look at it for what it is and recognize that it’s a real threat.
NeenerNeener
@Betty Cracker: Wow, Pete looks bigger than Badger is this picture. He didn’t stay small very long, did he?
Honus
@Raven: Larry was 70 when he died in 2020. He was an MD in Appamattox for years, and then went to law school with me at W&L in 1995. He was a great med mal lawyer in texas for few years, and then returned to Appamattox to resume his medical practice, and take care of the people there. A wonderful guy.
Cameron
Too many things in this world remind me of “Animal House,” but I swear that my immediate thought after reading that “Nothing is happening” headline was of Kevin Bacon shouting, “Keep calm! All is well!”
OzarkHillbilly
@Steeplejack: My European born wife and I have this argument all the time. There are a lot of French names around here due to the fact they were the earliest (white) explorers/settlers. Don’t ask where the Courtois Creek is, ask how to find the Coat-away Crick. Fourche au Renault? Nope, the Four-Shana. Etc etc etc.
oldgold
I would like to ask the textualists on the Supreme Court where in the text of the Constitution they find the power the Supreme Court granted itself in Marbury v Madison. The very power that makes possible this textualist nonsense.
germy
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I think some of the reluctance to really look at it also comes from another, different “good place”. People want to fix things. They want a plan. This can’t be fixed – it would be really hard to fix even with a super majority of electeds who wanted to fix it (because it’s layered and complicated) and we only have a bare majority of electeds who want to fix it. There were some plans- there was the US House democracy bill and there’s a really narrow Senate fix to the electoral count act which IMO is fighting the last war and won’t help, but even those aren’t going anywhere.
We’ll know more after 2022. Let’s see what they do with a close senate race.
OzarkHillbilly
@Raven: They’re fine, fat and sassy. My granddaughter is the happiest baby I’ve ever met, all smiles and laughter all the time. She even likes her PawPaw. Apparently more than MawMaw. About damn time I had a granddaughter who liked me. Too bad it’s just a phase she will grow out of.
Gin & Tonic
If anyone was gullible enough to have believed the breathless “news” yesterday that the Russians were changing their plans and re-focusing on Donbas, there are now air strikes just outside of Lviv.
They lie about everything at all times.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
What MIGHT help is more information to the public. Maybe they won’t give a shit and 40% of them are unreachable and will deny everything, but 5% might become alarmed if Mrs. Thomas is forced to reveal more and we find out how wide this is and 5% (additional) is all we really need.
How many electeds were involved? Maybe she was just texting Meadows! That seems unlikely to me since she’s incredibly well connected and powerful on the Right but maybe it’s true. But they have to find out. Because it’s going to happen again and it won’t have exactly the same posture it had in 2020.
Geminid
@OzarkHillbilly: I think that the Purgatoire River in southeast Colorado was called the Picket Wire.
Kay
@Gin & Tonic:
I follow it with very little background knowlege and even I recognize I’m in a kind of “good news!” bubble.
You want them to win right? Want the suffering to stop. So you grab it. I have to keep tamping it down.
Cameron
@Gin & Tonic: I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you! At this point the only people believing the peace talk are people who are invested in believing it. Shoot, I don’t believe much of anything our own government says, and I still wouldn’t believe whatever line is coming out of Russia.
Kayla Rudbek
@MomSense: I’m sure that Neighborhood Fiber Company will come up with something (Black-owned yarn company out of Baltimore). Hmm, I should probably be on the lookout for KBJ-inspired yarn when I go to Maryland Sheep and Wool festival in May.
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
That MAGAHabs tweet seems like something DougJ would write.
Kay
@Kayla Rudbek:
I saw a clip of the knitting/crochet exchange and I was so glad she had a kind of pleasant interlude in the midst of all that ugliness. She’s one of those people who smiles with her entire face :)
Debg
@tom: First thing I thought of too. Biden just makes it seem so natural and easy–like he actually enjoys being there and seeing these troops.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Geminid: I grew up in Detroit, obviously French in origin. There were lots of French names in the city, none of them pronounced as if they were French.
OzarkHillbilly
@Geminid: Yep.
Debg
@Kayla Rudbek: Did not know that about KBJ–now I love her even more! (I work for Schacht Spindle Company, so I’m yarn industry adjacent.)
SiubhanDuinne
@prostratedragon:
Have you ever noticed that the people who say “Illinoise” also say “Turqua”?
NotMax
Haven’t seen a lot of recommendations for Women’s History Month on B-J this March. Before it wends its way for 2022 into the mists of time, a shout-out to The Outrageous Sophie Tucker, streaming free at the moment on Tubi. Chutzpahrific respite from the lowering clouds scudding ‘cross the skies of the news.
Skepticat
As can Calais, Maine; Berlin, New Hampshire; and numerous others.
Skepticat
@Roger Moore:
Shinjo kawaii indeed! The video and your comment absolutely made my day.
NotMax
Contradictory? You betcha. (Would also lay down folding money this is not why Manafort was headed there.)
Virtually simultaneously,
J R in WV
@SFAW:
@SiubhanDuinne:
Somehow I was sure J G Cole was a graduate of WVU, over in Morgantown, where he is associated as some sort of faculty person. Could be wrong…
Wife and all my family members are WVU graduates, I however, due to my geographic location, attended Marshall U and graduated with my BS CS in ’84 — my third college enrollment, using the GI Bill for most of my expenses.
Schools are all about “you get out of it what you put into it.” We have discussed Hahvad and Yale grads who are bone stupid and uneducated for example!
Another Scott
This is my shocked, shocked face.
Cheers,
Scott.
Raven
@Honus: Aw damn, I’m sure her brother knew him. She left after high school and didn’t go back (to live). Her brother took over the family building business after her pop died and stayed.
Jeffro
@Honus: people around here pronounce it “Cro-zay”
My father-in-law still wants to call it “Cro-zette”
Raven
@OzarkHillbilly: We was “concerned”! Glad all is well.
Kalakal
@Skepticat:
I’m going to regret this but… how do they say it?
Asking for a Western European country
Anyway
@SiubhanDuinne:
Yeah so many critical items demanding POTUS’ attention! Hope he gets some down-time. Also it’s time to retire those damn airplane stairs for prominent public people.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Geminid
@Jeffro: Named for Claudius Crozet, who served as an engineer in Napoleon’s armies. Crozet migrated to Virginia and in the 1850’s supervised construction of a railroad tunnel through the Blue Ridge a few miles west of the town named after him. In preparation for the impending war, the U.S. helped the C&O Railroad complete a replacement tunnel in 1941.
The old tunnel has been reopened for walking, and a couple of my friends hiked it last Tuesday.
Brachiator
@Anyway:
I had not thought of it before, but you’re right. We really don’t need the image of a president going down the stairs and stepping onto foreign soil.
Roll up into a gate, get settled and then do whatever scheduled events are in order.
germy
dnfree
@Steeplejack: pretty much any foreign name. Take Cairo, Illinois, pronounced like the syrup.
I often wonder if the many Native American place names and rivers are pronounced correctly.
NotMax
@Anyway
Using the stairs allows for the plane to be parked a safe distance well away from main structures, for the limos to be driven right onto the tarmac, and for entire sections of the airport not to be shut down for security purposes (and to accommodate the media gaggle).
Kathleen
@SiubhanDuinne: i wonder sometimes if NYT pays Doug to use his tweets.
Brachiator
@dnfree:
This is the United States. When you get down to it, pretty much every name is a foreign name.
ETA: And let’s give a tip of the hat to the Dutch. I recall a story about some animal rights sensitive people complaining about the name Fishkill, New York.
From the Dutch for “fish stream.”
Another Scott
@dnfree: Heh. Look at “Potomac” River:
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
“Who spent part of his childhood outside DeKalb County, GA, and now lives a few miles south of Wythe Street…”
NotMax
@dnfree
Ethel Merman and Ray Bolger managed a noble stab at it when it came to Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg.
;)
Gin & Tonic
@dnfree: I figure any pronunciation of Quonochontaug is reasonably correct.
Gin & Tonic
@NotMax: AKA Lake Webster.
Uncle Cosmo
@prostratedragon: Originally “Tagliaferro,” IIRC, which is the Eye-talian equivalent of “Eisenhower” (iron-cutter) in German.
NotMax
@Gin & Tonic
Mentioned Canada’s Qijuttaaqanngittuq Valley here only the other day.
;)
Kalakal
@Brachiator: The Dutch have their own test.
The town of Scheveningen is basically impossible for a non local to pronounce correctly. I lived in the Netherlands on and off for 5 years, my friends used to love hearing me get it wrong.
zhena gogolia
I’m sorry, JL Cauvin is so brilliant. TFG’s rundown of the Oscar nominees. I got as far as “Nightmare Alley” and broke down laughing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drx4wuBIrYc
MomSense
@Debg:
OH MY! I’m obsessed with the ladybug, but I am not a spinner. I’ve only tried a few times and I don’t think I have a talent for it. I do love to watch people spin. Maybe someday.
zhena gogolia
@Gin & Tonic: OMG, I used to go to a roadhouse there with my first husband on the way to visiting his mother. We would have “ironic” really bad meals looking out on Lake Webster.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
Makes sense I guess. Still, there should be a better way. Couldn’t they have a big ass hatch and ramp at the back of the plane and have POTUS and crew blast out of the plane already in the presidential limo, Fast and Furious style?
Anyway
@Kalakal:
My favorite is good ole Schuylkill…
Uncle Cosmo
@Brachiator: I have it on semi-reliable authority that Filthadelphians ca. 1970 pronounced Schuykill “Sure Kill” and that when regattas were held on that river where it ran through the city, participants were issued cyanide pills for use in case they fell overboard… :^p
NotMax
@Kalakal
Not to mention Dutch place names which begin with a diacritical apostrophe.
Trivia:
Not Dutch but notation is made of the only village in Great Britain which ends with punctuation: Westward Ho!
Roger Moore
@dnfree:
I’m pretty sure the ones here in Southern California are all pronounced wrong. The “nga” ending (on places like Tujunga and Cucamonga) does not come naturally to the English-speaking tongue. Not to mention that many of the “Native” names here are actually English versions of the Spanish transliterations of the Native names.
More generally, look at how many Native groups aren’t even called by their preferred name for themselves! Many of the names we frequently use are the insulting names their traditional enemies called them.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: Our little baby pups are all grown up!
Kirk Spencer
@Brachiator: I think Joe would sign off on that so long as he’s got to drive.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: I thought he was going to be a little guy! Or at least little-ish.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
I think the ceremony is part of the point. We might wish it otherwise, but everywhere the President goes is an event, and all of his public appearances are stage managed to some extent. The whole thing with the President coming down the stairs has been honed over decades of practice to be an effective event. They aren’t going to change it lightly.
OzarkHillbilly
@Raven: I slept right thru the storms, which considering my options for sheltering from a tornado in NOLA are nada and nothing at all, it was probably my best option.
Spanky
@Roger Moore:
Then along came Gerald Ford.
Miss Bianca
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Gratiot!
I remember my father telling me a story of the first time he arrived in Detroit and had to take a taxi to an address on Gratiot. Which, he told me, he pronounced in the French way, only to have the cab driver look at him in disbelief. “Grah-ci-io? Oh, you mean GRA-SHUT!”
ETA: but not just French names! I had a friend who lived near Freud, pronounced Frood.
Ruckus
@Debg:
Joe Biden does seem to actually like real humans. Beings that pretend to be humans and suck at pretend, you can imagine who, not so much.
Kalakal
@NotMax: Oh yeah, theres a load of ‘t or ‘s names like ‘s- Hertogenbosch
The Dutch also do particularly evil things with the letter g
Brachiator
@Roger Moore:
Absolutely. This is why I mentioned the image of the president stepping onto foreign soil.
But the president traveling domestically, visiting cities for fund raisers, for example, used to be more of an event. Now arrivals are barely covered and, depending on how much a city loves a sitting president, you might hear complaints and gnashing of teeth over streets tied up because of presidential motorcades.
But some of this is also inertia. We do an event this way because we have always done it this way.
This morning I watched a clip of President Joe hanging out with American troops, eating pizza, taking selfies. This was more cool than the more pompous displays of ceremony.
Ken
A whole lot of originally-Nahuatl Mexican place names like Xochimilco became a lot easier for me when I learned that in 16th-century Spanish, “X” was used for the /sh/ sound.
WaterGirl
@Gin & Tonic: I hope that no one in any position of power took them seriously for even half a second.
Do you believe Turkey when they say that President Zelenskyy said he is willing to agree not to apply to NATO?????
I will back whatever Zelenskyy and Ukraine want, it’s their country, but it seems impossible that he would say that.
debbie
@Gin & Tonic:
And it’s this kind of thing, over and over, that confirms the complicity of the “principled” Israel and others.
Ksmiami
@Brachiator: But was there a tan suit appearing at this casual event? Hunh? Priorities people?!
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: AFAIK, Zelenskyy’s terms haven’t changed: 1) Full ceasefire; 2) Full withdrawal of Russian troops; 3) Solid security guarantees.
He’s willing to talk about anything else beyond that, with any proposed agreement subject to approval by a vote of the Ukrainian people.
Corrections welcome.
Cheers,
Scott.
Amir Khalid
@Gin & Tonic:
Oddly enough, I know how to pronounce Quonochontaug; I saw the episode of The X-Files which featured the Mulder family’s summer home in that town.
Pappenheimer
@Omnes Omnibus: Luckily, Dumas, TX is pronounced correctly.
Brachiator
@Pappenheimer:
The s is silent?
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@tom: Just what I was thinking!
smedley the uncertain
@Miss Bianca: Same here in Western NY. Point Gratiot on Lake Erie. Can be made to resemble a sneeze.
Ghost of Joe Liebling*s Dog
@Roger Moore:
PicketwireCO has joined the chat
Ghost of Joe Liebling*s Dog
@Ghost of Joe Liebling*s Dog:
Curses, pipped at the post — again!
Coming to you live from Threaddead County in the Pacific TZ ..
Kayla Rudbek
@MomSense: yes.
@WaterGirl: to clarify what MomSense said above, it’s often used for a skein of yarn with more than one color dyed onto the yarn. For instance, one of the shawls I’ve been working on has sections where the yarn has two colors (e.g. faded teal and pink) so you can’t say that the skein is dyed one particular color. So the yarn company/individual dyer will call it a colorway instead of a color. And the small/indie yarn dyers will often go with themed colorway sets, so for instance picking characters/themes out of Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, inspiring real people, etc.
WaterGirl
@Kayla Rudbek: So if someone went with the blue and yellow colors of Ukraine, both in the same skein of yarn, that would be a colorway?
Probably not half that is all yellow and then the other half all blue, but with the colors changing every so often?
Kayla Rudbek
@WaterGirl: yes, and I should go check Etsy right now to see if I can find anyone specifically offering that color combination.
Kayla Rudbek
@WaterGirl: and to further add: some yarn dyers will deliberately use the colors so that the yarn forms stripes when knitted up (particularly for sock yarn: see String Theory Colorworks as an example). So I would bet that there’s someone out there offering self-striping yarn in Ukrainian colors right now…
and a quick search for Ukraine yarn on Etsy lands me a bunch of search results with Ukrainian colors of blue and yellow on the yarn.
WaterGirl
@Kayla Rudbek: Doesn’t that only work if you knit a certain sized something, and if you knit neither tighter nor looser than average?
Or is there some magical / mysterious thing at work that makes it line up properly?
debbie
@Kayla Rudbek:
There’s a photo halfway down this page that is unbelievably gorgeous.
Kayla Rudbek
@WaterGirl: you are indeed correct that it only works to make the nice neat stripes if you get x number of stitches per inch (the dyers will calculate out what they want for x). So people come up with other ways to use it than for socks (hats, gloves, sleeves on sweaters, baby clothes, knitting shawls in blocks)
Kayla Rudbek
@debbie: and thank you very much for pointing this one out. Now I need to go through my pattern library and pick out what to make with this yarn :)