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You are here: Home / Elections 2024 / 2024 Primaries / Thursday Evening Open Thread: RNC Officially Chickens Out On Presidential Debates

Thursday Evening Open Thread: RNC Officially Chickens Out On Presidential Debates

by Anne Laurie|  April 14, 20226:42 pm| 68 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republicans in Disarray!

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Not surprising. In the battle of accomplishments, Republicans are shooting blanks. In the battle of wits, Republicans are entirely unarmed. Why WOULD they subject themselves to the inevitable trouncing they’d suffer in a debate? https://t.co/98fDroK52q

— Glenn Kirschner (@glennkirschner2) April 14, 2022

… In a statement, RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said the commission is “biased and has refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates including hosting debates before voting begins and selecting moderators who have never worked for candidates on the debate stage.”

The commission was formed in 1987 as a nonprofit sponsored by both the Republican and Democratic Parties and has sponsored debates in every presidential election since 1988. The group’s co-chairs include former RNC chairman Frank Fahrenkopf…

The RNC claims it has not pulled its future nominees out of debates entirely.

The commission drew considerable ire from Trump during the 2020 campaign, with him and his campaign aides often railing about the selected moderators, the commission’s decision to hold the second debate virtually during the coronavirus pandemic and the choice to mute each candidate’s mic during the final debate after the first contest included considerable interruptions from the then-President.

Moderators were a central issue for Republicans in 2020 – especially the selection of C-SPAN’s Steve Scully to moderate what would have been the second contest.

The Trump campaign attacked Scully for working for Biden roughly four decades earlier, leading the journalist to accidentally publicly reach out on Twitter to Anthony Scaramucci, Trump’s short-lived White House communications director. When the outreach frustrated Republicans, Scully said he had been hacked, something he later admitted was not true. C-SPAN then placed Scully on “administrative leave” for lying.

The commission eventually canceled the second debate after Trump declined to attend a virtual debate despite concerns over his Covid-19 diagnosis.

The RNC has advocated for a number of changes to the commission, including adopting term limits for its board and prohibiting members from making public comments about any candidates. McDaniel, in an echo of Trump’s concerns, has also pushed for more influence on which journalists moderate general election debates, asking the commission for a “transparent criteria for selecting debate moderators that would disqualify individuals from consideration who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”

They can’t risk pissing off He Who Shall Not Be Named — or, more importantly, TFG’s legions of angry, armed cultists — and they don’t see any plausible alternative candidates who’ll be less vulnerable in front of a half-decent moderator and a not-insane Democratic candidate. So, easy way out it is!

I always forget, which side is full of snowflakes that need safe spaces to avoid being confronted with facts they don’t like? https://t.co/II08KQgQZe

— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) April 14, 2022

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  1. 1.

    debbie

    April 14, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    I don’t think Ronna’s been good for the party. Keep it up!

  2. 2.

    The Moar You Know

    April 14, 2022 at 6:49 pm

    They’ll never participate in a debate again.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    April 14, 2022 at 6:50 pm

    transparent criteria for selecting debate moderators that would disqualify individuals from consideration who have apparent conflicts of interest due to personal, professional, or partisan factors.”

    That excludes all of Fox News.

  4. 4.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 14, 2022 at 6:51 pm

    You mean they’re afraid to debate the guy they claim is senile?  Say it ain’t so!

  5. 5.

    cope

    April 14, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    Please, please, please have the DNC hold debates with empty chairs and pull a quadruple reverse Eastwood with a full twist

    ETA:  Or better yet (completely stolen from Colbert), have eight year old kids speak direct quotations from the various Republic Party participants in response to queries.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    April 14, 2022 at 6:53 pm

    OT.

    What say you, smart people?

    After trillions of collisions and years of data collection and number crunching, the CDF team found that the W boson has slightly more mass than expected. Though the discrepancy is tiny, the results, described in a paper published in Science on April 7, 2022, have electrified the particle physics world. If the measurement is correct, it is yet another strong signal that there are missing pieces to the physics puzzle of how the universe works.

    Epic discovery, or a nothingburger?

  7. 7.

    japa21

    April 14, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    @Baud: Based upon my vast knowledge of physics, to me it is a nothing burger, which is also what my knowledge of physics is.

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 14, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    I’ve never been persuaded that the debate moderators/panellists need to be media figures (almost always, these days, well-known television personalities). I’d prefer to see a series of issue-centric debates, with actual experts in those fields doing the questioning.

    (I also realise that these exercises haven’t been proper “debates” for many decades — if, indeed, they ever were.)

  9. 9.

    JPL

    April 14, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    Chickens have more grit than republicans.   I assume Herschel will use this as an excuse to opt out of debates with Warnock.   Herschel won’t debate other republicans, so why debate the democratic nominee.

  10. 10.

    Jay C

    April 14, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    This makes little sense even by Republican standards- unless their fear is that CANNOT win any national election where they do not have unfettered control over the media presentations.

    ”Debates before voting starts” SRLY: what does that enemies mean?

  11. 11.

    JPL

    April 14, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s the issues that the republicans are afraid to debate so that would not work.

  12. 12.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 14, 2022 at 6:59 pm

    @JPL:

    Then we go to the empty podium scenario described above. Win-win!

  13. 13.

    cope

    April 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    @Baud: Non-epic but important discovery.

    It implies one of three things.  Either the math is wrong in predicting its mass (unlikely), the measurement is wrong (unlikely as well given the current precision of the tools) or there is something missing from the Standard Model (most likely) involving the existence of unknown particles imparting this extra mass to the W boson.

    ETA:  I’m not smart, I’m parroting what I have read elsewhere.

  14. 14.

    Sure Lurkalot

    April 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    Moskva

    Belongs in previous thread but it’s dead.

  15. 15.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    @JPL:

    IIRC, the fact that David Perdue failed to show up for at least one debate with Jon Ossoff hurt him (DP) in the January 2021 runoff.

  16. 16.

    JPL

    April 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I would have ads prepared with the democratic candidate on one side and a chicken on the other.   Although chickens have more grit, so I do apologize to the breed.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    April 14, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    @cope:

    something missing from the Standard Model

     

    That’s huge.

  18. 18.

    VOR

    April 14, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    @The Moar You Know: They’ll never participate in a debate again.

    Yep, I agree. And TFG also set the standard that you never have to release your taxes.

  19. 19.

    JWR

    April 14, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    Federal judge said what?! Truth, that’s what.

    US Capitol rioter who said he believed he was following Trump’s orders found guilty on all charges

    […]

    After the verdict, federal Judge Reggie Walton blasted former President Donald Trump’s conduct.

    “The insurgency, and it was in effect that, is very troubling,” Walton said. “I think our democracy is in trouble because unfortunately we have charlatans, like the former President, in my view, who don’t care about democracy and only care about power.

  20. 20.

    cope

    April 14, 2022 at 7:06 pm

    @Baud: There’s already a list of things inconsistent with the Standard Model including gravity, dark energy/dark matter, the mass of the neutrino, and the matter/antimatter asymmetry.  This is just one more albeit a very interesting addition to the mix.

  21. 21.

    Another Scott

    April 14, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    [ kermit-screaming-yayyyy-while-flailing-arms.gif ]

    Here’s hoping the League of Women Voters or some similar independent group hosts debates again.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  22. 22.

    BC in Illinois

    April 14, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    The Monty Python / Republican Strategy:

     RUN AWAY !!!

    RUN AWAY !!!

  23. 23.

    VOR

    April 14, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    @Jay C: ”Debates before voting starts” SRLY: what does that enemies mean?

    My guess is they want the debates held long before voting so they have plenty of time to shove a debate loss down the memory hole.

  24. 24.

    Sure Lurkalot

    April 14, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    with actual experts in those fields doing the questioning

    You mean the know-nothing elites?

  25. 25.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 14, 2022 at 7:08 pm

    @JPL:

    Maybe just lay in a supply of rubber chickens?

  26. 26.

    El-Man

    April 14, 2022 at 7:15 pm

    Technically they’re not shooting blanks, it’s just that their accomplishments are terrible.

  27. 27.

    Uncle Cosmo

    April 14, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: NB Even that Schiklgruber Teppichfresser was smart enough >80 yrs ago to rechristen one of his capital ships, on the grounds that it would be not nearly the PR disaster for the Lützow to be relegated to the benthos by enemy action than if it had retained its former name – Deutschland. (You could look it up.)

  28. 28.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 14, 2022 at 7:19 pm

    Ronna Romney can go fuck herself with a curare infused chain saw.

  29. 29.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 14, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    @Baud: Hell, it excludes Villagers as well.

  30. 30.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 14, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    Turn the entire thing back over to the League of Women Voters and exclude all political parties from the process.

  31. 31.

    Roger Moore

    April 14, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    @Baud:

    Epic discovery, or a nothingburger?

    I will have to check with my brother, the theoretical physics professor.  The last time there was something like this, he had a complicated explanation for why the error in the theoretical calculation was more than people said it was, so the discrepancy was more apparent than real.  I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar is true in this case.

  32. 32.

    trollhattan

    April 14, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    Kiddo’s in beautiful Azusa, CA (gateway to Glendora) with her team at a distance track meet and it looks like a fast field. Eleven women broke the meet record for the 800, six of them broke the stadium record, and the winner was less than a second from breaking two minutes (that’s fast).

    Mine’s running the 5,000 later this evening.

    Fun fact: Jackie Joyner-Kersee still holds the stadium heptathlon record. She graduated in 1985!

  33. 33.

    Sure Lurkalot

    April 14, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    @JPL:

    I assume Herschel will use this as an excuse to opt out of debates with Warnock.

    Damn. I figured they’d coach him so that every response would be “respectfully, my opponent is a pedophile and you’re asking me a question?”

  34. 34.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    April 14, 2022 at 7:24 pm

    I never like the modern debates (post 1970s), the “moderaters” always bent over backwards to favor the republicans.  Out of fear of being labeled “biased” by the republican propaganda machine they ended up being biased against Democrats.

    Good riddance​

  35. 35.

    Roger Moore

    April 14, 2022 at 7:25 pm

    @Jay C: ​
     

    ”Debates before voting starts” SRLY: what does that enemies mean?

    I think that’s a complaint that early voting had started in some places before the last debate. It’s not a completely ridiculous complaint, but like everything coming from the Republicans it’s a bad faith one. They’re looking for an excuse to back out, and they’ll seize on whatever seems good.

  36. 36.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    April 14, 2022 at 7:27 pm

    PBS/BBC kicked off season two of their great series “Rise of the Nazis” this week with the invasion of the Soviet Union and it is phenomenal.

    You can see it online (here)

  37. 37.

    trollhattan

    April 14, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    Reports of explosions in the Kyiv area and all of Ukraine is on air raid alert tonight. So in the meantime, this is reported happening in mother Russia.

  38. 38.

    SpaceUnit

    April 14, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    I’m fine with this.  Debating crazy people is a waste of time.

    And our MSM only cares about zingers and earth-tones.

  39. 39.

    trollhattan

    April 14, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    @SpaceUnit:

    I threw in the towel after that debate where they failed to literally or figuratively rein in Trump when he lumbered across the stage to loom over Hillary.

    Worthless events.

  40. 40.

    Sure Lurkalot

    April 14, 2022 at 7:38 pm

    Just read that Trump is planning to endorse JD Vance and there’s a big brouhaha boiling over it. Rooting for injuries, of course.

  41. 41.

    SpaceUnit

    April 14, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Exactly.  Sharing a stage with them only hands them a fig-leaf of credibility.

  42. 42.

    wetzel

    April 14, 2022 at 7:40 pm

    This comment system eats my rants. It disappears them sometimes. I love that. I don’t give a crap.

    My point was don’t worry about debate until after the seditionists are exposed and jailed. They left the plane of debate with violence. We are still off the plane until the lawful resolution of the sedition plot. Not normal times. Democrats need to rise up stronger than Zola. This is the season for nos accusons, not debates on the podium except to ask ‘who in your state pressured the electors?’ and ‘were you involved’. Guilt or not guilt will be adjudicated on an individual basis, but also guilt attaches to the entire GOP. The party apparatus was involved. The GOP is the party of sedition until it fully accounts for how it allowed seditionists to enlist the national party in a conspiracy to overthrow the government.

  43. 43.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 14, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: Along the same lines, Ctrl-Z

  44. 44.

    coin operated

    April 14, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    My dream debate is when Trump says something derogatory about one of the other R’s wives and they walk over and give him the Will Smith treatment.

    Of course, investing in popcorn futures before said debate…

  45. 45.

    germy

    April 14, 2022 at 7:47 pm

    Informative thread:

    My new hobby is taking graphs of economic data over time and indicating the year that Ronald Reagan was inaugurated, in case people find that helpful or informative. pic.twitter.com/jdLwHv8VNK

    — Ward Q. Normal (@WardQNormal) December 15, 2019

    Oops. Forgot to add my favorite one. "Total Public Debt as Percent of GDP," or as I like to call it, "Thanks, Ronnie!" pic.twitter.com/sKJVFrFN5S

    — Ward Q. Normal (@WardQNormal) December 15, 2019

  46. 46.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 14, 2022 at 7:47 pm

    @coin operated:

    I sure wish Hillary had done that during the second 2016 debate.

  47. 47.

    smith

    April 14, 2022 at 7:49 pm

    @coin operated:  If TFG is running there will be no primary debates, probably no primaries. He’ll be nominated by unanimous acclamation.

  48. 48.

    Geminid

    April 14, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    For all Ronna McDaniel’s big talk, there still could be Presidential debates in 2024. Like I said below, the major party candidates can still agree to debate. They don’t need some commission to have a debate either. Any news network would jump at the chance to host a debate with any format the campaigns can agree on.

    If the Republican candidate wants to debate Biden and Biden agrees to debate him, what can the RNC do? Revoke the nomination?

  49. 49.

    Captain C

    April 14, 2022 at 7:54 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: “So, Herschel, did you ever stop beating your wife?”

  50. 50.

    Citizen_X

    April 14, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Turn the entire thing back over to the League of Women Voters and exclude all political parties from the process.

    This. How did they lose control of debates in the first place? Who thought it would be a good idea to have the parties and the networks take control of debates and turn them into circuses, anyway?

  51. 51.

    Captain C

    April 14, 2022 at 7:58 pm

    @Citizen_X: I think it was the parties themselves.  At least the Republicans were complaining that the reality-based questions had a liberal bias.

  52. 52.

    docNC

    April 14, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    Ronna Romney

    What a tool.  Hanging on to her grift as tightly as she can.

    Everyone is biased against her and hers…wah wah.

    They can all go on Fox and talk it up.  Who cares?  Let the Democrats have a Q&A without a big fat guy trying to intimidate from behind, or hiding when he knows he can’t win anyway.

  53. 53.

    trollhattan

    April 14, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    For the laffs, Trump and the slippery slope. How much again, Donny?

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1510410877068976130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510410877068976130%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdigbysblog.net%2F

  54. 54.

    Kay

    April 14, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    A collection of more than three dozen county GOP chairs and state party central committee members — including some from the state’s most populous counties — also banded together to sign a letter urging Trump not to endorse Vance, noting that he “referred to your supporters as ‘racists’ and proudly voted for Evan McMullin in 2016.”
    “While we were working hard in Ohio to support you and Make America Great Again,” they wrote in a letter obtained by POLITICO, “JD Vance was actively working against your candidacy.”

    I know one of the signers quite well – Sandy Barber. She is a force to be reckoned with :)

  55. 55.

    UncleEbeneezer

    April 14, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    A friend/colleague of mine just wrote this piece about how unwelcome outdoor spaces are for Black People :(

  56. 56.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 14, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Fuck these chickenshit motherfuckers.  Fuck them for being too chickenshit to debate, and fuck them for the 40+ years of damage they’ve done to this country.

  57. 57.

    Brachiator

    April 14, 2022 at 8:59 pm

    @Citizen_X:

    How did they lose control of debates in the first place? Who thought it would be a good idea to have the parties and the networks take control of debates and turn them into circuses, anyway?

    The parties wanted this. Next question.

  58. 58.

    Raven

    April 14, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @wetzel: Hey, I read your two posts this morning. I’ve lived in Athens for 35 years, 23 in Normaltown so I’m pretty familiar with the things you noted.  I was at Tech for a couple of years after I finished my grad work but, even though I had an apartment on Collier, I just came back here on the weekends and never really got a feel for the ATL.

  59. 59.

    docNC

    April 14, 2022 at 9:04 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: you said what I didn’t think I could say here.  Thanks

  60. 60.

    Raven

    April 14, 2022 at 9:06 pm

    @docNC: Why wouldn’t you be able to say that here?

  61. 61.

    docNC

    April 14, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    @Raven: I just didn’t know I could say those words without ramifications.

  62. 62.

    Raven

    April 14, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @docNC:  This joynt is wide fuckin open!

  63. 63.

    docNC

    April 14, 2022 at 9:24 pm

    @Raven: thanks.  I appreciate that

  64. 64.

    Philbert

    April 14, 2022 at 9:25 pm

    Do like Lincoln-Douglas debates.  No moderators,  just let them go back and forth 10 min at a time. No microphone for the candidate not speaking. We wish!

  65. 65.

    Feathers

    April 14, 2022 at 9:30 pm

    Saw someone on Twitter recommending that at least one debate be replaced with a round of Jeopardy, with the categories being things the American President should know, like American history, the Constitution, world geography, etc, etc.

    Sounds like a great idea to me.

  66. 66.

    Benw

    April 14, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    I’m going to settle in for the rest of the Braves-Padres game and chill out. Resume tomorrow

  67. 67.

    dww44

    April 14, 2022 at 9:54 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’d like to see this happen and then see how the Republicans respond.  If they decline this set-up they are demonstrably anti-democratic.

  68. 68.

    SFAW

    April 15, 2022 at 2:10 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I sure wish Hillary had done that during the second 2016 debate.

    No kidding. I have said here, more than once, that I wish she had turned around (when Fuckhead was stalking her) and said “Back the fuck OFF, you pedophilic asshole, or I’ll kick you into next week.”* She would have had to endure a week or two of tut-tutting from the usual suspects (FTFTFNYT, for example), but then the issue would have gone away, or maybe increased her lead.

    *Acceptable substitute: “… or I’ll hit you so hard it’ll kill your whole family.”

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