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You are here: Home / Nature & Respite / Nature / Sunday Morning Open Thread: SPRING!

Sunday Morning Open Thread: SPRING!

by Anne Laurie|  April 24, 20228:45 am| 101 Comments

This post is in: Nature, Open Threads, Popular Culture

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A herd of cows frolicked in the green fields of a dairy farm in southern Sweden following a long, dark winter cooped up inside pic.twitter.com/ZcF44tHlxU

— Reuters (@Reuters) April 24, 2022

Lily Tomlin, who has delighted film and TV audiences for more than 50 years, became a permanent fixture of Hollywood as her handprints and footprints were cast in concrete in a ceremony outside Hollywood’s TCL Chinese Theatre pic.twitter.com/7kSPaIaFcE

— Reuters (@Reuters) April 23, 2022


WATCH: The Who is back on the road with THE WHO HITS BACK! tour. Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend will kick off their North American tour on April 22 in Hollywood, Florida, and wrap it up in Las Vegas in November https://t.co/8sfPvlDJje pic.twitter.com/OWZ7NzChJn

— Reuters (@Reuters) April 23, 2022

“Plant choice matters.” Planting non-native plants can create food deserts for essential insects and wildlife. Here are some resources to help find native plants for your landscape, however big or small.https://t.co/exQs6XGIAO

— The Associated Press (@AP) April 19, 2022

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    April 24, 2022 at 9:00 am

    That last tweet should be in the prior thread.

  2. 2.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 24, 2022 at 9:03 am

    For Earth Day, plant native plants, practice benign neglect

    Right up my alley.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    April 24, 2022 at 9:06 am

    I wonder how bored the cows get in winter.

  4. 4.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 24, 2022 at 9:14 am

    My maiden name is Tomlin. My paternal grandfathers family immigrated from the Windsor, Ontario area. Cousin Lily maybe?

    Then there’s the Pittsburgh coach, Mike Tomlin.  My ancestors spread the name around more than I thought.

    I come from the less successful branch of the Tomlin tree ?

  5. 5.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 24, 2022 at 9:22 am

    Get your frolicking on, you mooasauruses!

  6. 6.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:24 am

    I remember watching Ms. Tomlin on Laugh In.  A corny show, but Tomlin was great.

    She always talked to “Mr. Veedle” during her telephone operator sketch, and I believe that was supposed to be Gore Vidal.  (I didn’t get the reference at the time, being only ten years old)

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    April 24, 2022 at 9:27 am

    @Baud

    They’ve always got music with which to pas the time.

    Cow Cow Boogie
    No Milk Today
    …
    In Udder Words
    Cud This Be Love
    The Beef Goes On
    In the Mooed

    ;)

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    April 24, 2022 at 9:30 am

    Margaret Sullivan has an excellent column in today’s WaPo. She’s optimistic about Kahn taking over the NYT editor gig — says he’s open to criticism. An excerpt:

    The question now is whether Kahn can bring that spirit of thoughtful openness, in a meaningful way, to his new role — particularly when one of the world’s most influential news organizations is in need of serious soul-searching.

    Our very democracy is on the brink, and how the Times covers that existential threat is of extraordinary importance, especially as crucial elections approach this fall and in 2024. Will the paper’s coverage forthrightly identify the problems posed by a radicalized Republican Party that is increasingly dedicated to lies, bad-faith attacks and the destruction of democratic norms, or will it try to treat today’s politics as simply the result of bipartisan “polarization”? Will it try to cut the situation straight down the middle as if we were still in the old days — an era that no longer exists?

    Sullivan notes that the Times promotes from within, so there’s a limited pool who could have taken the job. She says plenty of well-informed people have doubts about Kahn, but “Kahn is more likely to meet this crucial moment than anyone else who could have been chosen.”

    Sullivan is a smart lady. Let’s hope she’s right.

  9. 9.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 9:31 am

    @MagdaInBlack:

    The “benign neglect” side of the family?

  10. 10.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 24, 2022 at 9:33 am

    @Steeplejack: LOL. Funny you should say that. I’ve often said my parents raised me with benign neglect. ( like the plants ) ?

  11. 11.

    jeffreyw

    April 24, 2022 at 9:33 am

    First hummer of the season! Yay! pic.twitter.com/hfF9k7x2rL— jeffreyw (@imjeffreyw) April 24, 2022

  12. 12.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:35 am

    I didn’t wake up on Monday morning thinking that, by Friday, I’d answer a phone call saying, “Hi, Mr. President.” I’m humbled by @potus reaching out to discuss my speech, why we do this, and what it means for the soul of the nation. We can, and we will. #HateWontWin

    — Mallory McMorrow (@MalloryMcMorrow) April 24, 2022

  13. 13.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 24, 2022 at 9:35 am

    She always talked to “Mr. Veedle” during her telephone operator sketch

    Also, William Fbuckley.

    “Is this the party to whom I am speaking?”

  14. 14.

    mali muso

    April 24, 2022 at 9:36 am

    We started the week off with a random snow (2 inches) on Monday that were melted by Tuesday and by this weekend, it was in the high 70s and sunny.  Took my kiddo to the playground and watched her romp happily with other wee ones for hours.  Welcome spring!

  15. 15.

    NotMax

    April 24, 2022 at 9:37 am

    Obscure movie moment.

    Say what you will about Lex Luthor, he was never a cheapskate. Would expect the evil mastermind behind it to have budgeted for more than a single 60 watt bulb to illuminate the facility housing a gazillion watt transmitter.

    ;)

  16. 16.

    zhena gogolia

    April 24, 2022 at 9:39 am

    @Betty Cracker: I’ll hope, but I’m afraid the editor doesn’t really call the shots there.

  17. 17.

    zhena gogolia

    April 24, 2022 at 9:40 am

    @germy: Great!

  18. 18.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:40 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    I believe he’ll do what he’s told.   He never would have risen through the NYTimes otherwise.

  19. 19.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 9:43 am

    Democrats may get lucky in some state races:

    Michigan Republicans picked two candidates — who deny the 2020 election results and have been endorsed by former President Trump — to serve as the state’s next top elections officer and top law enforcement official.Kristina Karamo, a community college professor who rose to prominence after claiming she saw election fraud in Detroit in the last presidential race, won the three-person race for secretary of state with about 67% of the vote at Saturday’s GOP endorsement convention in Grand Rapids. On the November ballot, her opponent will be incumbent Democrat Jocelyn Benson. Matt DePerno, an attorney who has pushed Trump’s false claims of election fraud, won the party’s endorsement for attorney general. In a runoff race, DePerno took 54% of the vote to defeat former state House speaker Tom Leonard, who was seen as the more establishment Republican candidate. DePerno is now running against incumbent Democrat Dana Nessel.

    They’re choosing the most insane, unhinged Trumpsters. 

    Here’s DePerno

  20. 20.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 9:47 am

    @germy:

    Every Lily Tomlin character has been brilliant. Remember the little girl sitting on the oversized rocking chair?

  21. 21.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:49 am

    @Kay:

    I call it the Paladino effect.

    A few years ago NY Republican primary voters chose the barking mad Carl Paladino over a more “moderate” (well behaved) Republican to run against Andrew Cuomo.

  22. 22.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 24, 2022 at 9:49 am

    @germy: I watched her on a Midas Touch episode, and wow, there’s a brain I could fall in love with.

  23. 23.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:50 am

    @debbie:

    Yes, I remember that character!  And Tomlin had a few male characters as well.  I remember a flirtatious gas station attendant for example, from one of her specials.

    Robin Thede portrays a few male characters in her Black Lady Sketch Show, and I think she was inspired by Tomlin.

  24. 24.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 9:51 am

    Kristina Karamo is the first far Right election conspiracy nut to make a statewide office ballot as a Republican versus a non election conspiracy nut, the Democrat.
    There are a lot more running. A lot of them will win and go on the general. Trump promotes them.
    It’s good for Democrats.

  25. 25.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 24, 2022 at 9:53 am

    @debbie: Edith Ann ?

  26. 26.

    Betty Cracker

    April 24, 2022 at 9:53 am

    @Kay: Do you think Trump’s endorsement will put Vance over the top?

  27. 27.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:53 am

    @MagdaInBlack:

    Her husband’s an interesting guy.  He wrote for Cat Fancy, among other publications (if wikipedia is to be believed) !

  28. 28.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 9:54 am

    NASA indulges in a bit of quantum physics humor today. It’s well beyond my understanding, but I got the cute kitty.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    April 24, 2022 at 9:54 am

    @germy:

    ?

  30. 30.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 24, 2022 at 9:55 am

    @germy: I believe she said she wrote for ‘Gawker’ at one time.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 9:57 am

    @germy:

    This is Trump though. He’s directing every aspect of the GOP down to state level races. They are both Trump candidates. This isn’t one state or Party faction that goes off the rails and chooses two completely unqualified people who actively promoted election conspiracies. This will be a lot of states. They’re on primary ballots all over.

    Obviously the plan is to put all these Trump loyalists in positions of power over elections so they can successfully pull off the coup next time, but first they have to get elected and they are really extreme.

  32. 32.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 9:57 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    According to this local report, yes.

    A February survey by Emerson College pollsters commissioned by NBC4 found more than 6 in 10 likely GOP primary voters would be more likely to support the Trump-endorsed candidate.

    “I think that the Trump endorsement is going to be the deciding factor in the contest,” Beck said.

  33. 33.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 9:58 am

    @Kay:

    Kristina Karamo knows how valuable she is to the GOP.  She’s a Black woman who’s willing to repeat their talking points.  They can use her for their “We’re not racist, you’re the racist” project.

    She’s also an anti-vaxxer who I’m going to assume is fully vaxxed and boosted.

  34. 34.

    raven

    April 24, 2022 at 9:59 am

    THE WHO – I’ve Had Enough

  35. 35.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:00 am

    @germy:

    Brava, Sen. McMorrow! A strong Democratic voice emerging. I looked at her Twitter account when her speech hit last Tuesday. She had 20K followers then; now she’s up to 197K. There is a hunger out there for Dem politicians who will take the fight to the MAGAts.

  36. 36.

    JPL

    April 24, 2022 at 10:03 am

    @debbie: shit

    In GA trump’s endorsement might help down ballot, but not for governor.

  37. 37.

    Searcher

    April 24, 2022 at 10:03 am

    <3 Ms. Valerie Frizzle

  38. 38.

    rikyrah

    April 24, 2022 at 10:03 am

    Good Morning Everyone ???

  39. 39.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:04 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I don’t know. I still think Mandel has an edge because he has the religious Right. It’s hard to tell with Trump rallies because so many people who don’t live in Ohio and can’t vote here go. He has that traveling set of cultists who follow him. Vance’s actual events – just Vance without Trump- don’t seem well-attended.

    Last night one of their speakers at the rally said if they take Congress they will repeal the ACA. So much for that being off the table!

  40. 40.

    Searcher

    April 24, 2022 at 10:05 am

    @JPL: Eh, would Vance be worse in any way than any other GOP Congressman?

    I enjoy pointing and laughing at Vance as much as the next person, but I have a hard time caring who actually wins a Republican primary at this point.

  41. 41.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:07 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    There is a Twitter account with the great nym William B. Fuckley.

    I collect those celebrity-adjacent nyms. Of course our own Betty Cracker has one of the best.

  42. 42.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:10 am

    @germy:

    Yeah we’ll see.They don’t know anything about these people. The lawyer Trump chose has an absolutely horrendous ethics record and no relevant experience at all to be attorney general. He was chosen by Trump because he filed a lawsuit challenging the election. That’s his single qualification. They’re running in state wide races that are just getting started. It’s fine to rant and rave at the DeVos Center with the rest of the Trump cultists, but these people also have to go to normal areas and run there.

    The more extreme Right the better for incumbent Democrats, state level.

  43. 43.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:14 am

    @Searcher:

    I don’t care either. I think Tim Ryan is competitive against either of them. It would absolutely be an upset- it’s a long shot- but if there’s going to be an upset in Ohio it will be with Ryan.

    I would especially love it because national political media wrote off the race long ago. Those are the best.

  44. 44.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    April 24, 2022 at 10:15 am

    My favorite headline of the week about TFG, the quintessential knuckle-dragging Neanderthal:

    Trump Crows About Acing ‘Quite Tough’ Cognitive Test in 2018: ‘I Don’t Like Being Called Stupid’

    At another point in the rally, Trump complained about people who call him “stupid,” so he recalled a conversation he had with former White House Chief Medical Adviser-turned-Congressman Ronny Jackson (R-TX).

    “I don’t like when people call me stupid. Is there a test I can take to prove to these radical Left maniacs that I’m much smarter than them?” Trump said. “And he said ‘Sir, there is a test. It’s called an X test.’”

    Trump described the test as “the first questions are easy, the middle of the test gets tough, and the end of the test is quite tough.”

    h/t https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-crows-about-acing-quite-tough-cognitive-test-in-2018-i-dont-like-being-called-stupid/

  45. 45.

    Jerry

    April 24, 2022 at 10:16 am

    That Lily Tomlin is a reprint from the 1980s, right? She can’t be just now getting enshrined on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

  46. 46.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 10:17 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Oh, jeez. I just figured that out! I always assumed it was based in geography. ??‍♀️

  47. 47.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:17 am

    @NotMax:

    Well, it seems to cast a bright light from many different directions in that scene, so what more do you need, really? ?

  48. 48.

    There go two miscreants

    April 24, 2022 at 10:18 am

    I just finished reading this long review (and takedown!) of Justice Breyer’s book. Very well written, with most of the legalese confined to the notes. Not sure where I saw it linked, so apologies for the lack of a shout-out.​

    https://michiganlawreview.org/journal/hey-stephen/

  49. 49.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:21 am

    It seems like there should be a whole set of stories in political media about how far Right the GOP candidates are.

    They can just repurpose all those stories they wrote about how the “woke Left” have captured Democrats from 2016 to 2020. The thousands of stories and think pieces.

    That’s never going to happen, is it? Because Republicans are the default voter, no matter where they are ideologically, and Democrats are at best interlopers who may be permitted to govern for a period, but are not really “Americans” or “important” voters.

  50. 50.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:22 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning! ?

  51. 51.

    zhena gogolia

    April 24, 2022 at 10:24 am

    @Steeplejack: Why is NotMax watching a 1947 Czech horror film?

  52. 52.

    zhena gogolia

    April 24, 2022 at 10:25 am

    Has anyone here heard of hyperpop? One of my students is doing a project on it. It is truly hideous.

    ETA: Incisive Youtube comment:

    This sounds like a scrapped Phinneas and Ferb song

  53. 53.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:25 am

    @debbie:

    It is that, too. That’s what makes it so great.

  54. 54.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 10:30 am

    Orrin Hatch is dead. Please let’s not forget his most badass moment in public service: the time he proposed that we make computers that explode when they’re used to pirate music https://t.co/uL8ftHKH6c

    — Christopher Hooks (@cd_hooks) April 24, 2022

    Orrin Hatch lived the American Dream, retiring at 85 and dying at 88.

    — Cody Johnston (@drmistercody) April 24, 2022

  55. 55.

    Cameron

    April 24, 2022 at 10:31 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Person – woman – man – camera – TV.  Sometimes I amaze myself……

  56. 56.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:31 am

    Imagine, if you will, if Democrats at the Michigan convention nominated a Secretary of State who was an avowed socialist and believed there were half a million fraudulent votes counted in Michigan in 2020.

    The think pieces on the extremism of the Democratic Party would be flying off the shelves.

  57. 57.

    Jeffro

    April 24, 2022 at 10:31 am

    @debbie: it’s pathetic

    have some self respect, Republicans.  have some sense of where J6 Comm is going.  anything

    the orange garbage bag is still going and even I am shocked.  that white male supremacy, it’s a helluva drug… ?

  58. 58.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 10:31 am

    “I wouldn’t want to see homosexuals teaching school anymore than I’d want to see members of the American Nazi Party teaching school.”-Orrin Hatch https://t.co/LQxhPHCd2C

    — Michael Arria (@michaelarria) April 24, 2022

  59. 59.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 10:33 am

    @Kay:

    Omar said something about The Benjamins and CBS, ABC and NBC news reported it three nights running. Top story!

    A Republican invited a holocaust denier to a SOTU and I only learned about it here.

  60. 60.

    Steeplejack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:34 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    He dwells in the hidden byways and dark alleys of the mediascape. Not for him the broad avenues of the Marvel franchise movie or a modern rom-com!

  61. 61.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:35 am

    Democrats are going to end up running against Trump again whether they want to or not, because Trump is choosing all the GOP candidates. I’m glad about it- I think they should- but it’s just funny how things turn out.

  62. 62.

    Geminid

    April 24, 2022 at 10:35 am

    @Kay:  Interesting that Michigan Republicans chose a convention to pick their slate for statewide offices. Republican radicals in Virginia try to use the caucus/convention method to get like minded nominees. That’s how Liberty official Bob Good was able to oust incumbent Congressman Denver Riggleman in the 2020 Virginia 5th nomination contest. Although, charisma-free Riggleman might not have survived a primary either.

    In 2013 a Republican convention nominated wacky Ken Cuccinelli for Virginia Governor; Lieutenant Governor Bill Bolling had won eight straight local and statewide races, but he did not even try for the nomination. Bolling knew that he had no chance with the “activists” who dominate caucuse and conventions. Cuccinelli went on to lose to political newcomer Terry McAuliffe by two points.

    I think Bill Bolling would have won a primary that year, and then general election too. Virginia Republicans hurt themseves that year, and Michigan Republicans probably are helping Democrats by using the convention format this year.

  63. 63.

    prostratedragon

    April 24, 2022 at 10:37 am

    @MagdaInBlack:  That’s Five-Year-Old Edith Anne, to be precise;<)

  64. 64.

    zhena gogolia

    April 24, 2022 at 10:38 am

    @Steeplejack: True.

  65. 65.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 24, 2022 at 10:39 am

    @prostratedragon: ?

  66. 66.

    prostratedragon

    April 24, 2022 at 10:40 am

    @germy:  Some day I might say the name of the agency that I presume finds this kind of talent for the Qpers.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    April 24, 2022 at 10:41 am

    @Kay:

    It’s not what the people in diners are talking about, Kay.

  68. 68.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:41 am

    @germy:

    The Republican base here believe – absolutely believe- that if Republicans take Congress they will remove Biden and certify Trump’s 2020 loss as a win.

    Let’s see if that finds it’s way into any of the thousands of diner stories they’ll be running. This is a widespread belief in the GOP. It’s mainstream.

    However extreme you think the GOP base are, double it. Go to any Trump 70% county and talk to them. They believe every word of every conspiracy theory Fox and the rest put out. It’ll be reflected in the candidates they choose. It already is.

  69. 69.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:50 am

    @Baud:

    We need a group of “public intellectuals” and Atlantic think piece writers and NYTimes editorialists to raise the alarm, like how they started a panic over “CRT” and the “woke Left” and “cancel culture” as an existential threat to liberal democracies and wrote about nothing else for 2 years, but we’re not going to get that either, are we?

    I don’t want them anyway. I prefer scrappy, plain spoken brawlers in a fight over any of those pretentious, scolding assholes.

  70. 70.

    Betty Cracker

    April 24, 2022 at 10:51 am

    Republicans fight Disney to force them to discriminate against gay kids.

    Democrats fight drug companies to force them to lower insulin prices for sick kids.

    Run on that.

    — Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) April 24, 2022

  71. 71.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 10:52 am

    @Kay:

    And Sherrod Brown is more than ready for that fight!

  72. 72.

    NotMax

    April 24, 2022 at 10:53 am

    @zhena gogolia

    So you won’t have to?

    :)

    @Steeplejack

    Even around corners!

    :)

  73. 73.

    zhena gogolia

    April 24, 2022 at 10:54 am

    @NotMax: It does have a nice Plan 9 vibe to it.

  74. 74.

    Baud

    April 24, 2022 at 10:55 am

    @Kay:

    CRT is the bigger threat.

  75. 75.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 24, 2022 at 10:55 am

    I mentioned visiting Seattle in the COVID thread–a random thing that happened was that our bus trip to the zoo was interrupted by a Presidential motorcade. We’d been too out of touch to really plan around that. But was only about a 20-minute delay, that culminated in seemingly every motorcycle cop in Seattle zooming around the corner with their lights on, followed by some chonky Secret Service SUVs and then Joe Biden’s one with the flags up. My daughter thinks she spotted Biden inside the car. I guess it was when he was heading out of Seattle to Auburn for his Earth Day stuff.

  76. 76.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 10:57 am

    @debbie:

    He is. They run photos on Tim Ryan’s social media with the two of them. Sherrod, who is a fucking unicorn of a politician and beloved by both progressives and traditional Ohio Democratic constituencies, can help Ryan with progressives, I think. Ryan has his own labor backing which may be stronger than Sherrod’s so he doesn’t need any help there.

  77. 77.

    Amir Khalid

    April 24, 2022 at 10:58 am

    Did FYWP eated my comment? I was just saying that Townshend and Daltrey still make a splendid noise, but for me it ain’t quite The Who anymore without Entwistle and Moon.

  78. 78.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 11:00 am

    @Baud:

    Anyone who identified “cancel culture” as the biggest threat to liberal democracies in the midst of what we all watched transpire in this country from 2016 to 2020 is a pampered, cloistered moron.

    They got the threat wrong. It’s a disqualifying error. They’re no use to anyone.

  79. 79.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 24, 2022 at 11:01 am

    @Kay:

    The Republican base here believe – absolutely believe- that if Republicans take Congress they will remove Biden and certify Trump’s 2020 loss as a win.

    Maybe they will. At some point we get so far off the map that the letter of the law and the Constitution become just another norm. It all depends on what the people with the guns believe, in the end–who will the military take orders from? In January 2021 ultimately sanity held, but the question is how long that can stand.

  80. 80.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 11:04 am

    @Kay:

    They’re running an ad here with Sherrod supporting Nan Whaley. It’s a great ad, plus Connie got him to comb his hair!

  81. 81.

    germy

    April 24, 2022 at 11:04 am

    A Colorado man who set himself on fire in front of the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday has died from his injuries, police say. https://t.co/Z6rUnu3fp9— NBC News (@NBCNews) April 23, 2022

  82. 82.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 11:05 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes. They made that group.

  83. 83.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 11:12 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    My personal belief is the military will be much more reliably norm and law abiding than the police.

    Worry about the police. The military have so far comported themselves quite well with the insurrectionists.

  84. 84.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 11:17 am

    @debbie:

    I think she’s great but I think a female candidate has an additional burden in Ohio that is not recognized or acknowleged, but absolutely exists. The US is a sexist country – backwards on women and women’s issues- but Ohio is a particularly sexist piece of it, IMO. I’m going to speak out more when I hear it from Democrats. I wasn’t forceful enough responding to it with Hillary, locally.

  85. 85.

    debbie

    April 24, 2022 at 11:21 am

    @Kay:

    Sadly true. I heard Renacci refer to her the other day as “Nasty Nan.” We will never ever recover from that orange asshole.

  86. 86.

    smedley the uncertain

    April 24, 2022 at 11:22 am

    @debbie: Edith Anne and that’s the trooothh..

  87. 87.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 11:27 am

    Rep. Anna V. Eskamani ?
    @AnnaForFlorida
    ·12m
    We still have not been provided with any examples of CRT in Florida MATH textbooks but there is conservative opposition to Social Emotional Learning (SEL), evidence based tools to help kids work together more & manage conflict in a healthy way. How is that controversial?!

    Because they’re raising children who will be belligerent, combative, intolerant and unable to work with others and will be completely unemployable outside of work at the Manhattan Institute?
    And they insist everyone else raise children like this too?
    These people aren’t working at Disney. They’re not working anywhere. They spend their days screaming at normal people entering the park and defacing the sign, kids in tow. Is that who we want as role models?

  88. 88.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 11:32 am

    @debbie:

    Get ready. It’s the “secret”issue too. No one is allowed to just say it without a ton of whining from men.

    One of the R county commissioners I watched debate last week mentioned twice that we haven’t had a female county commissioner in 25 years. I don’t think she can be a county commissioner here because she seems to have no understanding at all of the local public if she thinks that’s a plus for her. There’s two men. One of them will get it. Either/or.

  89. 89.

    philostopher

    April 24, 2022 at 11:48 am

    @Kay: I’m with you on the sexism Nan’s going to face. Montgomery County, where she’s been competing, isn’t so much like that. City councils, school boards, and the county commission have, if not parity, a strong showing from women, both Republican and Democratic. She hasn’t really had to run on personality vs. policy, because Montco is a little pocket of old-style politics. She’s a great speaker, but let’s be honest – she looks uneasy at a microphone, often, and she’s not a beauty queen. I love her, I’ve lived in Montgomery County for 20 years and she’s a great retail politician, but the county is behind the times relative to the rest of either Ohio or the US.

  90. 90.

    Feathers

    April 24, 2022 at 12:04 pm

    @Kay: Yes. This is why “white feminism” drives me up the wall. I get that people can be shitty. And because white women, even feminists, are human, they can be terrible. But there is a real refusal to understand that the racists and the misogynists are the same people! That patriarchal authoritarianism is a problem that exists outside of the particularly American context. It is about personality as much as politics, will always exist and needs to be fought through all means available.

    I don’t think we are losing Roe shortly after this took hold among my white activist friends is at all a coincidence.

  91. 91.

    laura

    April 24, 2022 at 12:11 pm

    @Amir Khalid: If you can track this down it is so very worth seeing: https://youtu.be/vnxye_BchKA

  92. 92.

    Kathleen

    April 24, 2022 at 12:12 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: My favorite moment was when her elbow hit the console and she says, “Oops! There goes Omaha!” Which happens to be my birth place.

  93. 93.

    Kathleen

    April 24, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    @debbie: “My name is Edith Ann and I am five years old.”

  94. 94.

    Kathleen

    April 24, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    @Kay: I get emails from Sherrod all the time about the Senate race. He’s as committed to Ryan’s race as he is his own.

  95. 95.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 12:35 pm

    @philostopher:

    The county Dem chair had a conversation with her which he relayed to me in the context of why he doesn’t like her. I said “I don’t see anything wrong with what she said. Why do you dislike her?” and he didn’t answer. Oh, no. Odd, groundless “dislike” based on a normal work phone call.

  96. 96.

    Kathleen

    April 24, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    @philostopher: I watched the first debate and I was surprised that she appeared tentative and seemed to lack confidence in that forum, especially since I remembered her as being very confident and strong in her appearances after the tornado and Oregon District shooting tragedies.

    I’m still struggling with who to vote for. My sense is that she and Cranley are very close on policies and expressed values. Cranley did a much better job selling his job as mayor of Cincinnati (increased population, more development etc.) and translating that into what he can do for Ohio but I’m not necessarily a fan of his. I just don’t know.

  97. 97.

    Kay

    April 24, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    Jeffrey Sachs
    @JeffreyASachs
    19m
    Public K-12 teachers are actually very close politically to the average American.

    Which should suprise absolutely no one because there are so many of them and they live and work in every single part of the US, but the innumerate Christoper Rufo and the rest of the CRT panic crew never got the scale and geographic distribution of the group of people they was smearing so they think 100 cherry picked teachers are representative of something.
    No one should listen to them on anything. It’s too big an error to trust them. They’re not smart enough to direct and manage “culture”. Next they’ll tell you “nurses” are all “psychopaths” based on rigorous review of 100 nurses Tic Tok posts. It’s all sloppy junk.

  98. 98.

    StringOnAStick

    April 24, 2022 at 1:01 pm

    We got our Oregon Voter’s Pamphlet Saturday, with many facts and candidates statements.  Some are real doozies.  The governors office is open so there are 15 D’s and 19 R’s, probably some libertoonian and other, odder parties as well but I don’t feel like digging through the rather large booklet to figure that out.  Not all of them provided candidate statements but the main thing these R’s and candidates for other offices are running on is no mandates (there are none currently), anti abortion, CRT and sex ed, plus a few 2020 election dead enders plus of course performative 2A statements.  One R candidate for state house prominently features his endorsement by Gym Jordon, so excellent timing on his part given the latest insurrection leaks about planning help from him and others.

    Yesterday the D party of Utah decided not to run a candidate against Senator/insurrectionist Lee and have their support to Evan McMullen, running as an independent against Lee.  That’s a big deal I would think.

  99. 99.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 24, 2022 at 2:52 pm

    @Kay: Elizabeth Warren consistently underperforms in Massachusetts relative to “generic Democrat”. Some of that may be that she’s consistently left of the party center, combined with the old identity controversy that continues to dog her, but I think a lot of it is just that women start with a penalty. One of the reasons we’ve had so many Republican governors is likely that the Democrats often run women. We had a female Republican acting governor for a little while; she announced her candidacy for election to the office, then Mitt Romney jumped in, immediately pushed her out and beat the Democrats’ female candidate too.

  100. 100.

    philostopher

    April 24, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    @Kay: I honestly believe it has as much to do with the fact she’s not conventionally attractive. Black voters in MontCo like her just fine, they’re the base Democrats who have to like you to get elected to Dayton offices, and if you don’t fire them up, they don’t vote (and Republicans or weirdo Libertarians get elected). They don’t care what she looks like, as long as she talks to their concerns.

  101. 101.

    philostopher

    April 24, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    @Kathleen: Yeah, I’ll vote for her in the primary, but I don’t care who wins it. She was a hero after the year she had to deal with a KKK march, a tornado, and a mass shooting, plus Trump calling her out by name and drawing negative attention to her (I believe it was after the shooting). She reputedly said some salty words and threw her cell phone across the room when she saw what he’d said, but she never let a camera see her sweat.

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