? #BREAKING – Emmanuel #Macron is elected to a second term as #French president on Sunday evening with 58.2% of the vote, according to an estimate from the Ipsos polling institute.
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— FRANCE 24 English (@France24_en) April 24, 2022
Update 1 what Cheryl said:
Another bullet dodged.
I look forward to a time when we can feel good that our candidate won but not that we escaped disaster. https://t.co/bVEaZiUsRN
— Cheryl Rofer (@CherylRofer) April 24, 2022
Quaker in a Basement
I had expected Macron to win, but I really thought it would be a 10 point margin. Better than I expected.
Buncha cheese-eating surrender monkeys..
Jim, Foolish Literalist
sounds like a good, healthy margin– I just heard on NPR this morning that there were predictions it would be down from 2017
and a quick google tells me the margin is down a bit, from 66-33 to 58-42
Good. Macron is good enough and not delusional. Le Pen is straight-up fascist.
Still think it was too close
Bon. Très bien…
Her supporters aren’t gone, though – what’s next for them?
How does one say curb stomping in French? That’s basically a blowout especially considering how close it was last time. Viva le France!
Better than I would have expected. I get the sense he picked up some momentum from Le Pen’s close affiliation with Putin, along with what was a pretty strong performance in the debate. I would be interesting to know what the turnout was, there was some thought that parts of the left would stay home. Maybe that wasn’t the case.
@Yutsano: My French friend wrote this to me on 8 April:
@thruppence: True, this was obviously a terrible result for people opposing fascism. Let’s all worry.
When Le Pen père was in the run-off way back when, he got about 20% in the first round. In the run off against right winger Chirac, he barely got anything more, because all the lefties held their nose and voted for Chirac. Le Pen fille got in the run-off twice with about 20% in the first round, and in both cases she doubled her share of the vote because right wingers rather vote for a fascist than a centrist.
This is sure to break Ukraine: //
@Yutsano: It was 66-34 last time in 2017, looks like it will be closer now.
@debbie: the Indians howl with laughter at this “butter chicken” the Russians are serving.
@debbie: Maybe that is some sort of equivalent to jumping the shark, you start renaming foods concurrent with a military overreach.
@thruppence: The guillotine?
Mike in NC
OT: I pretty much forgot that Orrin Hatch was still alive until yesterday. On the subject of extremist Mormons, Hulu is coming out with a miniseries based on the book, “Under the Banner of Heaven”, about the fundamentalist LDS church in the southwest. Read it a number of years ago and it was very good.
Vive la France!
Get fucked, Le Pen!
DougJ has competition:
@Calouste: idk. I think I’ll feel relieved this afternoon. It’s nice to get a semblance of a win, before I can go and fret about the Filipino elections.
@debbie: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
The first time, Macron was a new candidate. This time he was the incumbent, and French Presidents are always unpopular. His approval rating is lower than Biden’s, but he got a big majority anyway. Protests are a way of life in France about everything, but when a decision must be made, most voters there go for stability.
PS: Voter turnout is estimated at 72 percent. That’s the lowest in a French presidential election final in over 50 years. It would be the highest turnout in an American presidential election EVER.
James E Powell
Meetings, speeches, and there’s always good wine.
@debbie: Looks like I may need to break out a recipe and make a batch.
ETA: Holy chick, that’s a lot of butter. LOL
Bullet dodged. Now back to WTF is happening to democracy in my native land
Je suis soulagé. I am relieved. *whew*
I knew that Macron was ahead, but a few too many publications went with scare tactic headlines in the run up to voting. (Looking at you, FTF NY Times.)
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: I know this flies in the face of your avowed optimism, but 40% of a nuclear-armed permanent member of the UNSC choosing an out and proud fascist is not a result worthy of foam fingers and raucous applause.
The blandness! And what’s this – breading?
@Hoodie: 28% abstention is what is being reported. Early still for good stats. Also hearing Macron could end up as high as 60% – the polls have just closed so all votes not yet counted
@James E Powell: And more dodgy loans from Russia.
@mrmoshpotato: faire foutre, Marine!
James E Powell
@Mike in NC:
Orrin Hatch is the a hole who said there was no question that Republicans would vote to confirm Merrick Garland for the supreme court, then refused to hold hearings.
There are varying degrees, but every Republican is an a hole.
Not this time.
@debbie: I was constantly irritated by media insisting that it really really really might be a close race.
@Gin & Tonic:
I say celebrate the 60-40 victory today, and get right back to work for a stronger victory tomorrow.
@Gin & Tonic: Please, G&T. The French did the right thing.
We do have to get the deplorables deprogrammed, or, failing that, back under their rocks. It is pretty much a worldwide problem, with some happy exceptions.
But we can take pleasure in a good result, today.
That’s a much bigger margin than I was expecting. I thought it was neck-and-neck.
Macron himself isn’t great, but, you know, for Christ’s sake, any Le Pen should not be a serious threat.
Have we in the US ever had that since Ike and Stevenson? (When we’ve lost, it’s been a disaster.).
She ate all those corn dogs for nothing?
@MattF: Yup. We should put up a Hall of Shame on that. Identify those wastrels, and the outlets that published that crap.
Mostly, I am glad the French do not have to contend with an Electoral College. It is a chaos agent, and needs to go.
Two nights ago I dreamed that LePen won with 98.4%. Everyone was saying it must have been a Putin-style victory, but no one could do anything about it. Glad it was just a dream.
The tactic of repeatedly beating them in elections is a good way to do that. We should try it sometime.
@Gin & Tonic: Macron beat the polls. It was a better result that Biden vs Trump or HRC vs Trump. Better result than the Brexit vote in Britain or any subsequent British elections. I’ll take my wins where I find them. If you want to look for reasons to be down about this result, I can’t stop you.
I wonder if the same pundits who called it “neck-and-neck” are the ones predicting a red wave here in November?
@Gin & Tonic: no but it’s worthy of a sigh of relief and a vow to come back and keep fighting. Legislative elections are coming up in a month…
Via CNN, Hatch’s Consensual Cocksucking-gate’s votes.
@Elizabelle: Journalists love them some right-wing extremists, especially the entitled legacy hires at the FTFNYT. Why? Because writing about them doesn’t take any effort, it’s all about simplistic hate and grievances, not about actual complicated policies.
Should be “Vive la France,” not Viva. // pedant
@Omnes Omnibus: I would be hard pressed to say that all 40% who voted for LePen are in favor of fascism, just like all the 43% that voted for Trump are out and out racists and lovers of authoritarians. 40% is a long way from a majority. Would I prefer it had been 65-35 or greater? Of course. But I am happy for these results and hope that the people of France work to keep the LePen types at 40% or preferably less.
“Vote for the neoliberal investment banker! It’s important!!”
My limited understanding is polling among the young was skewing towards Le Pen–kids, you know–and with lower than normal turnout I’ll guess the young did not turn out. Could be a reason he exceeded the polls.
Whatever the reasons, it’s a good day for European democracy. Doesn’t make Orban’s easy reelection any less bitter, though.
@Baud: We win a lot, as you know.
But: the Electoral College makes it more difficult than it should be.
What a relief. Le Pen really is Putin’s puppet, bought and paid for. I don’t pretend to understand French political parties, but it’s striking how current parties in so many countries see the future only in the rear view mirror. This is obvious on the right but it’s a problem for some labor-oriented parties as well.
Whatever personal defects Macron has, Le Pen was straight up promising allegiance to Putin, whose arrogance and disdain for average people make Macron look like a puppy. It still shocks me that she received so many votes.
@zhena gogolia: Pretty sure that’s called a nightmare. :-)
Lots of structural things are against us. The Constitution could end up being a suicide pact.
Brown vs. Hatch
This is what I mean by how the heck did other French parties so badly serve their constituents that none could come close to challenging Le Pen or Macron. At least not for the top job.
@Mike in NC: Yes…great book and it introduced me to modern Mormonism…I had only vague ideas before reading it…
Say what you will about Hitler, but he was no one’s puppet.
@debbie: Don’t forget NBC, per today’s headlines: France’s Marine Le Pen has American Liberals Worried
Once upon a time, it wasn’t only liberals who were scared of fascism…
@Baud: Ike picked Nixon, he started all the crap.
I’m a real butter lover, but I could never bring myself to order it.
Wow. I can’t believe American liberals are worried about fascists! Liberals be crazy.
True. That doesn’t get enough recognition.
I hope he has learned he needs to tamp down that arrogance, French though it may be.
@debbie: I know, some of us are asking ourselves, but aren’t all French people like that?
The deplorables are “reprogrammable meatbags” as driftglass calls them. FOX could tell them the exact opposite thing tomorrow from today’s marching orders, and they’d turn on a dime.
As for getting the Nazi trash to go back under their rocks, possibly. But with all of the red meat being thrown, ie. Don’t Say Gay bill, CRT lies, etc, beating them back at the polls will be an ongoing effort as usual.
@Barbara: Mélenchon (left winger) was only 1.2% behind Le Pen in the first round. You wouldn’t have heard about it in a lot of media, because it didn’t fit the narrative.
It’s also a real pleasure not to hear anything about disputing the results or demanding a recount.
Now I wish there was a way to sweep the Putin enablers out of the German government.
Baerbock is good, thank god, and young: she got it right about Nordstream 2 many years ago, and she is saying the right things now.
But Scholz is a huge disappointment. We knew that Schroeder was bought and paid for; we knew that AfD was a Kremlin front. Austria is always atrocious. But no one expected Scholz to be this bad, esp when German public opinion is supportive of greater involvement.
Also, too, the last French president reelected was in 2002 (Chirac).
I was aware. But the more MOR parties seem to have really faded. Why is that?
@Barbara: One thing that reporting on this election made me realize is how much the Socialist Party of Mitterand and the Republican Front(?) of Chirac have declined. I think they finished in single digits in the first round.
@Calouste: Yeah, the big story for me was how much Melanchon outperformed expectations.
We need more than sweeping them out. We need to understand how they can continue supporting Putin in light of his actions.
Aux armes, citoyens!
Formez Vos battalions!!
Marchons! Marchons! Qu’un…
Well, let’s not go on with the lyrics, it’s a good tune anyway. Color me relieved.
And, I bet Putin is pissed as hell. Another one of his inside straight plays somehow fails to pay off. What a khuylo.
Disney should issue formal congratulations to Macron.
I like that it doesn’t sound like a compliment, but what is a khuylo?
Gin & Tonic
@Elizabelle: I am relieved. I am not rejoicing.
Gin & Tonic
@WaterGirl: Vulgar slang, approximately “dickhead. “
He beats the merde out of Flobalob.
@WaterGirl: Oh, Wow. I wish I could recall the Nym of the BJ commenter who referred us to this longform blog post, a work of sheer genius, worthy of an Orwell essay, that made me envious of her writing skill, and which explains the etymology of “khuylo” and the history and significance of its application to Putin perfectly. Everyone should read the whole thing.
I think we should rename the Democratic Party as “Democracy on the Move” =)
I was in France for the 2012 election, when Hollande, the Socialist, won. He then proceeded to destroy the Socialist party by after having campaigned against German-imposed fiscal austerity, promptly went along with it. The left voters rightly saw this as a betrayal, and Melenchon, who was a fringe candidate back then, has now more or less united the left behind him.
Gin & Tonic
@Carlo Graziani: The commenter was whatever The Fat White Dutchess’ new nym is; the blogger is a friend of hers, and that post was indeed a work of genius. I have it bookmarked at home, where I am not.
I read that TFG said at his hate fest last night that our elections should be like in France. Of course the message was “no fake mail in ballots” but I could be open to a Sunday in person election based on the popular vote.
I actually used to believe we’d be rid of the electoral college in my lifetime. Must have been about the same time when I believed Americans preferred a democratic form of government.
@Gin & Tonic: Ah, thank you. “What a dick” is one of my favorites.
Brit in Chicago
@Baud: I was jubilant when Obama won a second term but, in hindsight, I don’t think a Romney victory would have been a disaster. If he’d won a second term, there would have someone competent and sane (unless you think Mormonism is crazy) in charge when the pandemic struck. Possibly even a net gain, though there would certainly have been losses.
@zhena gogolia: Thank you. Saved me the trouble.
@Gin & Tonic: @Carlo Graziani:
With that clue from Gin & Tonic, I can tell you that her nym is now Liminal Owl. Not sure whether there’s a space in there or not.
That’s what she said.
@Jeffro: Defenders of Democracy?
Macron has an approval rating in the 30’s. And he just achieved a 16 point victory.
Will take le meme chose of people voting to save Democracy in the midterms.
I should add that within both the Socialist and the traditional center-right parties that were the heirs of deGaulle, corruption has been rampant for a long long time.
@Brit in Chicago:
In hindsight, probably true. Romney didn’t seem undisasterous at the time.
@m.j.: This is an underrated comment.
I’m amused by the way the author misrendered the names of Ukrainian football clubs as though they were NFL teams. Kharkiv Metalists? Sure—as soon as we can refer to 1849 San Francisco.
@Gin & Tonic: incidentally, today’s NYT Magazine has an article (paywalled) on a new coinage in use in Ukrainian: apparently “рашизм” in Cyrillic (I copy-pasted, of course), which is pronounced “ruscism”.
I expect that one to start showing up in Adam’s evening posts soon enough.
I think we might need to drop that into conversation more often. Get the concept out there.
The Founders were sure right about separation of Church and State, though. Problem is that rightwing tending to fascism HAS become a religion.
And the liars who promote it are hiding behind the First Amendment.
@Carlo Graziani: This has been discussed on the Slavic listserv. It is not new at all. It goes back at least to 2015.
ETA: I haven’t read the article because I’m kind of sick of Snyder, but that isn’t the right pronunciation.
ETA: The point is is rhymes with the word for fascism/fascists.
@ Brit in Chicago and @Baud: With VP Paul Ryan queued up? Do we forget that?
That said, Romney is what passes for a principled and decent guy, on that side of the aisle. And he does possess some decency, in there with other aspects of his personality.
@JMG: The problem with recent French presidents seems to be that they listen a lot to economic advisers who think that France should be more like the US, where the French voters want France to be like France, with 35 hour working weeks, six weeks vacation, and retirement in your early sixties.
Gin & Tonic
@burnspbesq: So much else in that piece was so good, that this was an easy one to let slide, especially from someone presumably unfamiliar with Ukrainian football.
@Carlo Graziani: To be clear, I’m quoting the following.
James E Powell
At the time, it seemed like the entire world’s center-left (left-center?) parties embraced austerity. A grievous error.
Slovenia had an election today, too. They ditched their populist PM.
Putin helps Democracy again.
@zhena gogolia: I see. New one on me, though. Seems like it would be useful to spread it into the Anglosphere.
@Gin & Tonic: Relieved is good. Some days, I will take relieved.
@Carlo Graziani: that’s excellent
Annnnnd now I want a ‘Kyiv Dynamos’ jersey, too!
Gin & Tonic
@Carlo Graziani: Zhena gogolia is right on the origin and pronunciation. But I can add that there’s also a derisive pronunciation of “Russia,” at least among western-exposed Ukrainians, close to “RA-sha,” which mirrors the first syllable of рашист.
ETA: I see that referenced in her later comment.
@WaterGirl: I like it.
@zhena gogolia: Hm. To an anglophonic ear, I can see why “ruscism” would make a more compelling portmanteau than “rashism”. The former does more work to actually indict Russia. Possibly this is wasted effort in Slavic languages?
ETA: Seeing Gin & Tonic’s explanation now, which makes sense.
@Carlo Graziani: I’ve been seeing it in tweets that Adam has posted. But maybe I see it because it’s in Cyrillic. Not sure I’ve seen it transliterated. I thought it was fairly widespread, but maybe only in Ukr/Russ.
It’s poignant, because “fashisty” is what Russians use to refer to Nazi Germany.
@Carlo Graziani: It’s pronounced rah – SHIST-i, not rooshisty.
ETA: As with most translations, you’re going to lose a lot of secondary associations if you try to capture it with something like “ruscism.” I don’t think it will work. I almost used рашисты here the other day, but as a non-Ukrainian I don’t think it works coming from me.
@James E Powell: Re austerity, I still hear “we’re going to be Greece” now and again.
@zhena gogolia: Oddly, that makes it sound very Italian.
Gin & Tonic
@Carlo Graziani: Part of the problem is that the short “u” phoneme as in “bug” is not present in Ukrainian. The flat “a” is the closest analogue.
@Mike in NC: I assume Orrin Hatch will be buried in Utah…
…which could present a problem given Utah is kind of a dry state; I’m not sure it’ll be easy to get a 12 or 24 pack in the local stores for the appropriate “regards”.
Of course the French can achieve this only by settling on economic stagnation and becoming a second rate nation. This fate would be even worse had Le Pen been elected and been free to try to push immigrants out of the economy.
The UK, on the other hand, seems intent on becoming a third rate country as the Tories push for an absurd and futile combination of laissez faire economics and crony capitalism.
@Carlo Graziani: The Italian word would be closer.
Listened to the BBC interview some French voters this morning. Several left wingers were saying that they disagreed with almost all of Macron’s policies, but they’d be holding their noses and voting for him because it was more important to keep the Fascists out.
It wasn’t always any better before Ike picked RN.
Politics is a battle between nothing changing and very slow progress. Because humans. And our system has it’s flaws, like every other system known to humans. Some want no rules, some want blandness, some want complete overturn to something better, some want complete overturn to something worse, and some have their heads so far up their butts that they could be related to SFB. It takes all kinds to make a human race, and we got em. The last 75 yrs has been a time of greater change because of communication. And it goes both ways, better communications go both ways – better and worse information gets better and worse politics.
Meanwhile, war-criming that’s not technically a war crime.
Honestly, I can’t help but wonder how much of that 40% was actually leftists who voted against macron because they think le Pen will usher in the new socialist revolution. How do you say Susan Sarandon in French?
Oh thank Christ.
@MazeDancer: I’m not familiar with Slovenian politics. Since a populist is usually bad news, can I assume the PM being thrown out of power is a good thing?
@James E Powell:
There are varying degrees, but every Republican is an a hole.
From big to bigger to damn, how did one get that big.
I hope Orrin enjoys burning in Hell.
@brendancalling: Have you had your job interview yet?
@Gin & Tonic: my ex pronounced “bug” as “baaag.” Russia was “Rahsha.”
I miss her and her accent.
@James E Powell: And I believe there is a term for that governing philosophy.
@WaterGirl: I had two interviews at two different schools in Philly, and another this Friday. I also have an interview here in Burlington on Wednesday, although that’s mainly my backstop. I wanna get back to Philly.
@debbie: Or we can suspend all German business transaction with the US until they remember that we are the leader and they’re the client state. Tighten the screws
@Kay: Antifa is using egg tactics now? Will they stop at nothing?
They get really excited when they make contact with the first truck – jumping up and down.
The convey were surprised and disappointed by their reception. I can’t imagine what goes on in these peoples head at this point- they have convinced themselves they’ll be greeted as liberators.
Also-weren’t we told repeatedly they objected to vaccine and mask tyranny- that was the specific grievance? They went there to scream at people about abortion.
@brendancalling: that’s great.
Oh, I was thinking of the full-time position where you are now, even though you want to move.
Are all of these full-time?
@Kay: They just want to be mad, Kay. Petulant children.
I do love the ridiculousness of being driven out with eggs. ?
Now there’s a sentence you don’t see everyday.
@Spanky: Home is where the heart is.
@Kay: LOL. And this in a time when we are told eggs are scarcer and more expensive.
You go, kids.
@Spanky: I’m watching This Is Spinal Tap for the first time in my life. It’s pretty funny. Christopher Guest is hilarious. I love when Tony Hendra is explaining that Philly is the rock capital of America.
@thruppence: Don’t worry, the New York Times is on the case. Expect French diner stories from now through forever.
BC in Illinois
President Macron, on Twitter:
I remember one of the grievances Martin Luther had against the Roman Catholic Church was that you could basically buy your way into heaven by making donations to the church. It seems like current day evangelicals just have a little more circuitous way to try to achieve the same effect.
W.C. Fields begs to differ.
They yell at them “we’re fighting for your freedom too!” but I don’t think the kids heard them over their celebrations of each direct egg hit.
I went over to LGM to read the Orrin Hatch obit (very good, by the way) and happened to catch this Paul Campos gem in his piece on the Michigan GQP:
I know we argue about what’s happening with Garland, but that’s funny.
@Calouste: Didn’t the left leaning candidates basically split the vote? There’s a lesson to be learned there.
@Brit in Chicago: LOL no, Romney would have been a disaster. I guess you’ve not been paying attention to the Republican Party for the last 20+ years.
@Dangerman: Utah is not at all “a dry state” – but it does have fairly weird alcohol laws, according to this website.
(It ain’t so much what we don’t know, as what we know that just ain’t so. – Artemus Ward)
Fascist candidates make elections a ratchet to totalitarianism. If they win, you can’t get them out. A true fascist, like Trump, will use extra-Constitutional means to stay in power.
@AxelFoley: Agreed. Any win against the GOP is a win. Any other way of looking at it is a version of “heightening the contradictions.”
@MazeDancer: Outstanding! I’ve been hoping that could be my getaway place when DeSantis finally gets around to declaring martial law here in Florida.
@Glidwrith: Yes, a very good thing.
@Kay: “The Battle of Rockridge Safeway” will have a cherished place in wingnut lore for the next…..fifteen or twenty minutes at most.
J R in WV
I have noticed that in statements from Ukrainian officials, the name of the attacking forces is always spelled with a lower case “r” — as in russian forces did whatever despicable things yesterday!
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
Speaking of politics, in my judicial race in the Louisville exurbs, I am literally the only registered Democrat running in any race in the largest demographic lump county of this three county circuit (Kentucky judicial elections are nonpartisan). I’ve been publicly shamed and barred from events (which has pissed off the local candidates I’ve interacted with at a ton of events – they like me). Today, I learned from a GOP candidate for jailer (he likes me a lot) that a number of my yard signs placed with others in the public right of ways around this most populous county were collected and placed in a county dumpster behind the county courthouse. I went, and sure enough, they’d pulled up a solid 10 signs (strategically placed) from a village of about 4000. They’d separated the signs from the frames and then wrecked half the frames. Of course, everyone else’s signs are still up.
I have a solid suspect in who caused it to happen. It’s the c*** who shut me down at the GOP judicial forum, who has known me for over 20 years and whose husband used to share office space with me. You could see her driving route with regard to removed signs – she lives in the center of the removal area, and the lifted signs include some I placed on exit ramps.
Was I filled with insensate, inchoate rage? Yes. Will I place three in her yard in the dark of night with a “fuck you, Debby and Mike, I know what you assholes did” note attached at the bottom? Perhaps…
Am I saving the bulk of my remaining signs for the other counties in the circuit? Yes…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: “Free-dumb!” *SPLAT
I adore all those Christopher Guest movies. Spinal Tap is wonderful, as are A Mighty Wind, Waiting for Guffman, and the rest. But by orders of magnitude, my all-time favourite is Best in Show.
That’s a great relief.
Vive la France. A bas les fascistes
Since when does fighting = driving?
@BC in Illinois:
Well said. Good luck to him.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The convoy participant who is livestreaming says calmly “it’s convenient for them because the Safeway is right there”.
Big flaw in the battle plan
@Brachiator: I’m not sure what is supposed to make a country “first rate” if not time to actually practice freedom. Also I think there’s a fair amount of research suggesting marginally reducing working hours doesn’t significantly negatively impact productivity.
@zhena gogolia: Stonehenge has me in stitches every time. And the ‘interviews’ are hysterical, espescially Harry Shearers.
@Kay: Perhaps some of the truckers transported the eggs into Safeway, in their reefers. Alas.
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Keep fighting the good fight. It’s important.
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Or you could do what a friend of mine did in 2012 after the 8th time her Obama sign was stolen or vandalized. (Red town in a blue state.) Got a Realtor friend to get her a real estate sign (metal and heavy), put an Obama sign on each face of the sign and using clear plastic tape, tape the bejesus out of the sign. Placed it in her front yard, next to a metal fence and, with a chain and padlock, chained it to the fence. Made the neighborhood Neo-nazi kids crazy.
@J R in WV: That’s normal practice. Adjectives referring to nationalities don’t get capitalized.
@SiubhanDuinne: “namin’ nuts”
@J R in WV: How’s your wife doing? I was thinking about her at 3:00 AM.
Gin & Tonic
@zhena gogolia: However, until fairly recently it had been standard practice for translated statements to follow the target language’s orthography.
They went there to scream at people.
FIXIT for you. Code words work with them because they know that no one knows what the hell the code actually means. The basically get to scream at everyone and make noise, be seen, be heard, and in their minds yell about everything wrong with the world.
If they only had mirrors……
@Gin & Tonic: Interesting.
randal m sexton
Le Sigh of Le Relief. Vive France, Vive la Republic.
J R in WV
Wife is doing well. Will see the neurosurgeon next week, still has the original post-op bandage on her neck below her right jaw.
My role now is to keep her calm, and from doing too much too soon.
Thanks for thinking of us! The support from the B-J commentaries has been a big help for me !!
@J R in WV: I hope she continues to improve rapidly.
Sometimes I wonder what goes on in your head.
My partner’s former brother in law is from Senegal. He despises Macron for what he’s done in Mali and I assume other former colonies. Sounded as though he might have preferred Le Pen because of Macron’s treatment of Mali. I believe she would have been far worse.
I don’t know what transpired with Mali.
But not, perhaps, the same destination.
@Barbara: the left got close in the runoff – just behind Le Pen but they have some issues of their own.
@Dan B: The French waged war against insurgents in Mali for most of the last decade. This person’s grievance against Macron might come out of that conflict.
No One You Know
@Cameron: I wonder if that ballad could be set to the tune of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.”
thats legitimately good news.
That’s a relief!
@brendancalling: I hope he gets his planet but his number one wife makes it hell on him and her younger sister wives.
in the US, that’s a “beehive” round. been around since the late 60’s
@kalakal: “I wouldn’t worry about Boston. Not a big college town.”
Villago Delenda Est
The unspeakable vermin of the Village are of course talking more about LePen picking up a couple of percentage points than Macron cleaning her clock.
@Brit in Chicago:
I’ll add a little—polite—pushback to this, because I see a good deal of plaudits in profiles about people such as Romney, Ryan, and McCain that give them credit for the sense that they showed when theit political careers were not at any kind of risk, but which fail to mention the utterly craven pandering to which they were perfectly capable of stooping when they felt that they needed to out-ignorant their election opponents.
Romney disavowed the ACA, a health policy not different in its essentials from the one he supported and signed into law as Governor of Massachussets, because he needed to sign on to the GOP’s toxic “everything Obama wants must die” purely destructive platform. He coyly played footsie with birtherism, and campaigned on fatuities such as “binders full of women”, while showing his true colors in that secretly-recorded video in which he confided his view that Obama voters were freeloading welfare-dependent dead weight.
All of which by way of saying that as President, his political obligations would have been to Q and to Wall Street. Looking to his post-2012-loss behavior for guidance on a Romney Presidency is too alternate-universe. He was free of having to cater to an annoying national electorate at that point.
The kind of high-handedness you propose is how Putin operates. It is offensive to America’s allies, and ultimately doesn’t work.
We used flechettes in Vietnam, to our great shame. Fired from Cobra gunships and also fixed-wing aircraft, I believe. Saw a documentary about that once, but I can’t find it now.