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You are here: Home / Politics / Media / Saturday Morning Open Thread: Our Shamelessly Failed Media

Saturday Morning Open Thread: Our Shamelessly Failed Media

by Anne Laurie|  April 30, 20228:16 am| 191 Comments

This post is in: Media, Open Threads, Readership Capture, Trumpery, Our Failed Media Experiment

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"You guys are obsessed with Trump. Did you used to date him? Because you pretend like you hate him, but I think you love him. I think what no one in this room wants to admit is that Trump has helped all of you."-@michelleisawolf https://t.co/rmu0P0odMD

— Eric Michael Garcia (@EricMGarcia) April 29, 2022

"Reporters have long considered the role of White House correspondent to be the crown jewel of American political journalism. But during the age of Biden, it's become a bore." https://t.co/PaJZXmmhD3

— Paul Vieira (@paulvieira) April 29, 2022

Just a little amuse-bouche, a friendly beat-sweetener for #NerdProm weekend! (Or maybe a subtle shiv from the reporters who didn’t get invited to the WHCA dinner, rich in easy clip lines for the haterz):

… Some of those covering the most powerful office on the planet say that the storylines, while important, and substantive, can lack flair or be hard to get viewer attention. There is industry-wide acknowledgment that viewership is down. Television outlets have been quick to turn their attention to other stories and bolster other units. There is a sense that the main saga of American politics is taking place outside the confines of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and that the journalists covering it — Donald Trump and the future of democracy — may reap the career rewards.

The Obama press room launched a whole cohort of journalists into media stardom. The Trump press room launched another. The Biden press room?

“I can’t think of any [stars],” said a well-known television news executive. “I don’t really watch the briefings.”

The dulling down of the White House beat is not due to a lack of reportorial talent in the room. Nor has it meant that the work being done hasn’t been important: major stories are being broken regularly on everything from the Covid fight, to the war in Ukraine, to inflation, immigration and legislative battles over the social safety net. Rather, what is happening is the fulfillment of a central Biden promise. Running for office against Donald Trump — the most theatrical, attention-seeking, Beltway-panic-inducing president in living memory — he pledged to make Washington news boring again.

And, well, mission accomplished sir…

How *dare* he! Doesn’t he know who we are?!?

Gone are the Tweets that sent newsrooms scrambling. So long to the five alarm Friday news dumps that had editors frantically rearranging weekend plans. Bye-bye to the massive TV budgets for White House specials and the firehose of publishing deals for books about the administration. NPD BookScan, which tracks book sales in the U.S., said that prominent books about Trump released in his first two years of office outsold Biden books during his first year and a half by, what an official there said was, “essentially 10:1.” A newly released biography about Jill Biden, by two well-respected Associated Press journalists, sold just 250 units in its first week, according to the company.

For the vast majority of Americans, and even plenty of people in Washington, it’s all been a relief — the minute-by-minute churn of presidential politics is no longer so omnipresent and existential in their lives.

“It’s not such a bad thing that there’s a new sense of sobriety in the White House briefing room,” said Eric Schultz, a former deputy press secretary under Obama. “The histrionics probably got out of control. It is serious business… It’s probably good for democracy for this to be less personality based and more about the work.”…

Haberman weeps! (No, srsly…)

But for the White House scribes, the ones shaking out their tuxedos and cocktail dresses to gather for the White House Correspondents’ dinner on Saturday, it’s been an adjustment at best and deflating at worst.

“It’s a boring and difficult job. It’s tough to be a White House correspondent if you want to break news, they’re so airtight,” another reporter who covered both the Trump and Biden White Houses from the briefing room. “There’s no Maggie [Haberman]. Who’s the Maggie of the Biden administration? It doesn’t exist.”…

I LOVE that no one is gonna make bank just nodding along as the current President drones on for forty minutes about how he passed the 'is this an elephant' test.

I LOVE that you now have to work like all your starving non-stenographer colleagues do.

— zeddy (@Zeddary) April 29, 2022

the funniest thing about that politico piece on the failchildren of the white house press corpse is that i came away from it thinking that peter doocy is literally the only member of that august body who actually knows why he's there

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) April 29, 2022

they genuinely miss the sociopathic President with a sad comb over and fifth grade reading level who literally tried to destroy democracy.

talking about actual policy doesn't sell. It's deemed too boring. pic.twitter.com/ZyBBNaHqmH

— Karl Bode (@KarlBode) April 29, 2022

If people here seem mad at the media it's because we all watched them having a blast in the Trump era and being pouty complainers in the Biden era.

— The Substack of Boba Fett (@agraybee) April 28, 2022

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  1. 1.

    germy

    April 30, 2022 at 8:25 am

    “The press has been asleep at the wheel for decades and it has given the right a glide path to embracing fascism. They need to be held accountable and we need to understand that they don’t think they’ve done anything wrong yet.” ⁦@owillis⁩ https://t.co/Jsh5L976iY

    — The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) April 29, 2022

  2. 2.

    danielx

    April 30, 2022 at 8:31 am

    Policy is so BOOOORRRING! And nobody ever got rich writing books about policy insights or got invited on a talk show! We want nicknames! We want our Donnie back!

    What a bunch of whinging brats.

  3. 3.

    geg6

    April 30, 2022 at 8:32 am

    Boo fucking hoo. There are few I despise more than the Village Idiots.

  4. 4.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2022 at 8:32 am

    The dulling down of the White House beat is not due to a lack of reportorial talent in the room.

    I completely disagree with this statement. There is no evidence of reportorial talent.

  5. 5.

    germy

    April 30, 2022 at 8:33 am

    Macron stole the election. Dig deeper our fellow French patriots! You guys know how to party like it is 1776.

    — Wendy Rogers (@WendyRogersAZ) April 25, 2022

    Lester Holt or David Muir ask her about this yet?

  6. 6.

    Ken

    April 30, 2022 at 8:37 am

    If they’re bored, maybe they should ask to be reassigned?  Or switch jobs entirely — I understand that the economy’s created a huge number of jobs recently, or they could try being a tiktok influencer.

  7. 7.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2022 at 8:38 am

    @germy: Why should we care what some crazy-eyed yahoo state senator thinks?

  8. 8.

    Peale

    April 30, 2022 at 8:40 am

    Boo hoo hoo.

    And he makes them go to Delaware. Delaware! And not the beach part where their summer homes are, either.

  9. 9.

    Kropacetic

    April 30, 2022 at 8:42 am

    @Spanky: The dulling down of the White House beat is not due to a lack of reportorial talent in the room.

    Whose job is it to make a story interesting, again? I believe that’s what we call “finding an angle.”

  10. 10.

    Steeplejack

    April 30, 2022 at 8:43 am

    @germy:

    Jeez. At first I thought, “Heh, nice snark.” Then I checked and remembered that she is an actual MAGA nut deluxe. Parody is dead, or on life support.

  11. 11.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 8:44 am

    Karen Tumulty is here quoting Megan McArdle as if she has a point, and Max Boot is retweeting her.

    From ⁦@asymmetricinfo⁩ — “Our deepest political divides can’t be moderated away; they have to be argued through, no matter how unpleasant the prospect, or how much we’d prefer to listen only to our own side.” https://t.co/sbRtT6Wcp0
    — Karen Tumulty (@ktumulty) April 30, 2022

    This is peak brain-dead press nonsense. Who has seen the years of further radicalization and said, “Yes, what we need is for people holding extremist positions is for them to yell at each other with the same talking points for years to come.”

    The only people who think that is good are the ones who do not see themselves affected by the issues involved.

  12. 12.

    Kropacetic

    April 30, 2022 at 8:45 am

    @germy: At least that loyalty to the global white supremacist agenda is an ethos…

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2022 at 8:46 am

    Good Morning, Everyone???

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2022 at 8:48 am

    The MSM resents the competence of 46 and his Administration. They preferred being Dolt45’s stenographers???

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2022 at 8:50 am

    @Peale:

    He goes phucking home.  HOME

     

    Where he spends time with the grandkids and goes to CHURCH!

     

    And, they whine about it??

    But, since he isn’t PROFITING FROM IT???

  16. 16.

    Steeplejack

    April 30, 2022 at 8:51 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning! ?

  17. 17.

    Betty Cracker

    April 30, 2022 at 8:51 am

    It’s unfixable with the current Beltway crew. They should be retired to the private sector to write PR puff pieces for oil/tech barons and other paying scum.

    News outlets that cover the White House (which should not include the GOP propaganda outlet called Fox News) should beef up their international news bureaus and rotate correspondents through foreign capitals and DC.

    I sincerely believe we’d get better coverage. Couldn’t be worse anyway.

  18. 18.

    karensky

    April 30, 2022 at 8:51 am

    The Haberman thingy at the end is so on target.  Thanks

  19. 19.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 8:51 am

    Possibly of interest to some, statistics regarding Twitter and the hierarchies of so-called social media: #1 — #2.

  20. 20.

    Joe Falco

    April 30, 2022 at 8:52 am

    Maybe if they go back to their roots and stand outside the White House in the pouring rain, some future president can take pity on them and throw them a gaffe they can make money off of reporting. In the meantime, fuck ’em.

  21. 21.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2022 at 8:52 am

    My favorite quote:

    • “Jen [Psaki] is very good at her job, which is unfortunate,” one reporter who has covered the past two administrations from the room said. “And the work is a lot less rewarding, because you’re no longer saving democracy from Sean Spicer and his Men’s Wearhouse suit. Jawing with Jen just makes you look like an asshole.”

  22. 22.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 8:53 am

    @rikyrah: I think he is skipping the dinner part of their stupid party this weekend.

  23. 23.

    zhena gogolia

    April 30, 2022 at 8:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE

  24. 24.

    p.a.

    April 30, 2022 at 8:57 am

    What minority percentage of these tools have the capacity to analyze policy initiatives anyway?  Never mind the ones using paid liars from AEI, Heritage etc for the counter-quotes.

  25. 25.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2022 at 8:57 am

    @zhena gogolia: Well, yes I am but I don’t need Jen to make that obvious. ;-)

  26. 26.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 9:02 am

    @Starfish:

    Twitter benefits media people financially. They use it to promote their own paid work. It’s essential to sell all the newsletters and individual projects they do in addition to working for outlets. They’re the absolute worst people to weigh in on it because they have a direct financial interest in it and they’re really the only people who do.

    No one is linking to their 500th “cancel culture” analysis on Facebook. Megan McArdle needs Karen Tumulty quoting Megan McArdle on Twitter. Twitter is for them. The ordinary rabble who criticize them on Twitter are also for them, because the measure is driving engagement.

  27. 27.

    zhena gogolia

    April 30, 2022 at 9:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I knew I should put a disclaimer!

  28. 28.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 9:02 am

    Happened to see some dweeb from Politico appearing on MSNBC the other day, before lunging for the remote.

    Dude looked to be all of 16.

  29. 29.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 30, 2022 at 9:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: LOL..that is exactly the response I was expecting from you ?

  30. 30.

    Soprano2

    April 30, 2022 at 9:08 am

    None of this is one bit surprising. These are people who feed off chaos, so TFG was a fulfillment of their wildest dreams and Biden is their worst nightmare. They felt important and needed, they were the center of attention. Now they actually have to figure out how to make news from the White House interesting to their audience that is used to the TFG “crack”.  Michelle Wolf had them pegged to a “T”.

    I’m not a bit surprised about their attitude toward Jen Psaki, either. They don’t care about learning about what the administration is doing – they care about tripping her up so they can get on TV.

  31. 31.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 9:08 am

    @Kay: It feels like there are Republicans who have learned from “Ted Cruz says stupid things on Twitter to gain engagement” and are doing more of that now. Elise Stefanik seems to be doing a lot of it lately.

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2022 at 9:08 am

    @MagdaInBlack: If I didn’t say it, somebody else would have. I just beat them to the punch.

  33. 33.

    Amir Khalid

    April 30, 2022 at 9:10 am

    @Starfish:

    I remember the Karen Tumulty whose coverage of healthcare issues at TIME was brilliant. She hasn’t been anywhere near as good since she joined The Washington Post.

  34. 34.

    Jerzy Russian

    April 30, 2022 at 9:14 am

    @zhena gogolia:  Like all powerful tools, pronouns can be dangerous if used incorrectly.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 9:14 am

    @Amir Khalid

    Journalism receives no exemption from the Peter Principle.

  36. 36.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2022 at 9:14 am

    @Amir Khalid: How much of that is on her vs her editor’s decisions?

  37. 37.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2022 at 9:16 am

    @Starfish:

    The only people who think that is good are the ones who do not see themselves affected by the issues involved generate their income from it.

  38. 38.

    Soprano2

    April 30, 2022 at 9:16 am

    @rikyrah: I think what they’re maddest about is how little leaking the Biden people do. They lived off those leaks when TGF was there.

  39. 39.

    danielx

    April 30, 2022 at 9:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It’s okay, it’s not your fault. ?

  40. 40.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 9:17 am

    @different-church-lady: You make excellent editing choices.

  41. 41.

    Tony Jay

    April 30, 2022 at 9:17 am

    Same thing over here. The UK political media luuuuurrrrvvvve them the Saggy White Minstrel Show Johnson provides. Every day there’s another scandal or a trolling of ‘The Woke Left’ or a Minister whose gormless maneuvering they can pick over for style tips.

    Policy? That’s boring. Honesty? Integrity? Concern for anything outside of the insular Westminster bubble? How naive. Democracy? Responsibility? Accountability? Pffft, that’s not savvy.

    So you end up with what we have. A media monolith that uniformly wants to keep Tories (especially these Tories) in power because they can all sell more newspapers or newspaper subscriptions on the back of their atrocities.

    But don’t make the mistake of saying that in their comment sections. They have thinner skins than an extra-small featherlite condom on a statue of Long Dong Silver.

  42. 42.

    Ken

    April 30, 2022 at 9:18 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: “the work is a lot less rewarding, because you’re no longer saving democracy from Sean Spicer”

    They weren’t doing that, either. They couldn’t even push back effectively when the first big lie about inauguration attendance came out, and it went downhill from there.

  43. 43.

    Betty

    April 30, 2022 at 9:19 am

    @NotMax: Jake Sherman? I routinely turn him off. Recently before discussing McCarthy, he actually said something to the effect of “Now I am not making excuses for him, but he has a lot on his plate.” Good grief!

  44. 44.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2022 at 9:22 am

    Well, yes, after four years of heroin, vitamin tablets can seem a little dull.

  45. 45.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2022 at 9:24 am

    @Tony Jay: Wait… there’s a statue?

  46. 46.

    Amir Khalid

    April 30, 2022 at 9:26 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Well put.

  47. 47.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 9:27 am

    James Fallows, in his substack talks about nerd prom. As anyone who has read Fallows over the years can imagine, he’s not sympatheic to their boredom. Nor has he been. He quotes himself from his 1996 book:

    But the question many readers would want to scream at the idle correspondents is Why don’t you go out and do some work?

    Why not go out and interview someone, even if you’re not going to get any airtime that night? Why not escape the monotonous tyranny of the White House press room, which reporters are always complaining about? The knowledge that O.J. will keep you off the air yet again should liberate you to look into those stories you never “had time” to deal with before…

    What might these well-paid, well-trained correspondents have done while waiting for the O.J. trial to become boring enough that they could get back on the air? They might have tried to learn something that would be of use to their viewers when the story of the moment went away.

    Hence his title for today: Nietzsche Goes to the Nerd Prom. He ponders if time is a flat circle.

    Who is whining changes, but the pampered vanity of the WHCA doesn’t.

  48. 48.

    lollipopguild

    April 30, 2022 at 9:28 am

    These are people who would like the world to come to an end so they can be on TV reporting it. And win a prize for their reporting.

  49. 49.

    UncleEbeneezer

    April 30, 2022 at 9:29 am

    @Starfish: These people can’t seem to grok that presenting the false appearance of a legitimate debate, is one of the most long-running and effective ways to spread racism, misogyny, lgbtqphobia etc.  It’s literally what JAQ-ing (just asking questions) is all about.  It is weaponizing the respect that most people (rightly) have for debating ideas and suckering them into debating shitty ones like whether Black people are inferior or Trans people are monsters etc.  The whole point is to spread __ist/__phobic idea and get it out there.  Nothing more.

  50. 50.

    Peale

    April 30, 2022 at 9:32 am

    I have to admit I miss debating whether to invade Greenland this week or Venezuela the next or South Korea a week later.

  51. 51.

    Steeplejack

    April 30, 2022 at 9:32 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I don’t think of “White House correspondent” as a real reporting beat. Not much of their “breaking” news is stuff they actually dig up; it’s more “Hey, the White House suddenly announced x” or, formerly, “Trump did a tweet!”

    Back in the day it was more of an on-deck circle for nightly news anchor. Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, Sam Donaldson and Brian Williams were all White House correspondents before moving into the big chair. Nowadays there are so many mini-anchors that I don’t think the White House beat is as important. MSNBC has a different anchor practically every hour during the weekdays.

  52. 52.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2022 at 9:33 am

    @danielx: I blame my parents.

  53. 53.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 9:34 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Seriously. The technique is so old. From anti-vaxxers to the people who do not believe in evolution, they love to debate an expert, preferably at a university to make themselves look more credible. I debated professor so-n-so at the university of such-n-such because the establishment is threatened by my points, which are completely valid and not at all made up.

  54. 54.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 30, 2022 at 9:38 am

    @Ken: I’m kind of stunned that they would think that what they were doing was somehow  “saving democracy.”

    Era: I shouldn’t be, I know, but jeezuz.

  55. 55.

    Kropacetic

    April 30, 2022 at 9:39 am

    @Starfish: I like how they use the lazy Republican framing around debate.

    I won’t engage Republicans who are obviously deep down the rabbit hole. It’s not about only wanting to debate my “side.” It’s that I don’t want to waste my time with fools and liars. Occasionally I find an honest R and manage to have a normal conversation.

    It doesn’t help that the “sides” are basically anyone who wants any form of government vs nihilists.

  56. 56.

    UncleEbeneezer

    April 30, 2022 at 9:39 am

    @Starfish: And then they Gish Gallop by overwhelming the other person with too many bullshit claims to possibly refute.

  57. 57.

    japa21

    April 30, 2022 at 9:43 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I was just about to. But it was going to be in your defense, something like, he’s really a lower case asshole, not all caps.

  58. 58.

    Betty Cracker

    April 30, 2022 at 9:46 am

    @Steeplejack: True, but there’s much potential for real, important work, just in covering WH announcements. How does policy X affect real people? They could go find some to interview! No book deal in that though.

  59. 59.

    debbie

    April 30, 2022 at 9:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Because you’re trying to make the administration look like an asshole!

    What happened to the press conferences where information was actually requested and actually provided? Now it’s all clever gotcha questions with paragraphs of lead-ins and context. Just ask the fucking question already.

  60. 60.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 9:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Society is to blame!

  61. 61.

    geg6

    April 30, 2022 at 9:49 am

    @Kay:

    This.  Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  62. 62.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2022 at 9:59 am

    @japa21:Heh, but I’m glad you didn’t. I wouldn’t want you imperiling your eternal soul by bearing false witness.

    @kalakal: My parents were part of society, so they still get blamed.

  63. 63.

    Steeplejack

    April 30, 2022 at 10:00 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I agree about that! I’m talking about how the networks themselves have structured the position.

  64. 64.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 10:01 am

    @Kropacetic:

    I love to argue on the internet.

    Since the war in Ukraine, some positions on Twitter have become so nonsensical that I can’t tell if these are real people or bots that exist to try to provoke people.

    Even though my husband repeatedly laughs at me and asks me, “Is someone wrong on the internet?” because he knows my personality and tendencies, the idea that the people with the bad faith arguments may be bots sucks all the joy out of it for me.

    I dropped people at the beginning of the Trump administration for their foolish “Well, I don’t believe in government” takes when they could not be bothered to take a side on “Hey, the escalating anti-Muslim rhetoric is going to go somewhere.” That place was of course the Muslim travel ban. And then it got worse from there.

  65. 65.

    A Streeter

    April 30, 2022 at 10:02 am

    @Spanky: I take the statement not as saying that there’s reportorial talent, but rather that the evident lack of it is not the reason for the “dulling down of the White House press beat.”

  66. 66.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 10:04 am

    Haven’t clicked the link, because, well, Politico. But in the excerpts above, I see that the on-the-record quotes are uncontroversial. But all the juicy ones are from some nebulous anonymous person. That’s Politico’s MO. That’s how they shape the story and reader’s reactions.

    It’s a pox.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  67. 67.

    Wapiti

    April 30, 2022 at 10:05 am

    Those ‘elite’ journalists love them some war, too. An average journalist like Wolf Blitzer can turn a few days in a foreign hotel room into a solid career. People’s life being turned to shit (or, ended, :shrug: ) is an opportunity for these journalists to make serious money.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 10:06 am

    Repeated from late yesterday, this vile creature is running for the Utah legislature essentially unopposed.

    Near the end of the conversation, Lee also said “crazy white liberals who do not have another purpose in life” needed to stop pushing a radical agenda and find something else to do, like “start families and make babies.” He then suggested that the group would be among those sacrificed if some cataclysmic event happened.

    “If the crap hits the fan, they’re going to be the first ones to get thrown to the wayside. They’re the ones who, if they really need to get something done, they need to eliminate people. They’ll be two-thirds of the first ones to go,” Lee said.

  69. 69.

    Soprano2

    April 30, 2022 at 10:06 am

    @debbie: Because they aren’t trying to get information, they’re trying to get on TV or be retweeted a lot for their “gotcha” moment. That’s what they’re rewarded for, so it’s not surprising that’s what they do. Why else keep asking the same question over and over?

  70. 70.

    Starfish

    April 30, 2022 at 10:07 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Yes.

    Imani Gandy made this point a few weeks ago in response to a Judd Legum saying that he would debate the anti-choicers.

    I honestly listened to @Hegemommy debate Lila Rose and I’m not sure I would have been able to hold up the way she did and I’ve been doing this for over a decade.
    A couple of months is not enough to prepare for a conversation with Lila Rose or Abby Johnson or any anti. Bad idea.

    — ⚓️Imani Two-Kitchens Gandy⚓️ (@AngryBlackLady) April 13, 2022

    Imani saying that is super powerful because you know she has been on this beat for years, and she is such a powerful voice. That she thinks she could not debate these fools speaks to how hard it really is.

  71. 71.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 10:10 am

    The UK govt in the form of haunted pencil Jacob Rees-Smug has just described Brexit as a failure

    implementing Brexit in full, honouring the 2016 promise to take back control of Britain’s borders, would be “an act of self-harm”.

    In short, he and his fellow EEG scan no shows have discovered that imposing border controls has administrative costs which to their surprise makes importing and exporting more expensive. The world beating solution is to have no checks on goods from the  EU while the EU merrily has checks on goods from the UK, ergo UK companies  have a huge administrative load that their EU competitors do not. This must be a historical first, self sanctioning as an economic policy. I can only assume his brain died of agoraphobia

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/29/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-disaster-leaving-eu-boris-johnson?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

  72. 72.

    Mike E

    April 30, 2022 at 10:11 am

    …paging Villago delenda est…

  73. 73.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 10:13 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Against those odds, you never stood a chance

  74. 74.

    sdhays

    April 30, 2022 at 10:14 am

    @Soprano2: Reporting what people told them, either officially or unofficially, is what their jobs are. It may not be what we think their jobs are or should be, but that’s why they are there. That’s why it’s so ridiculous how much self-regard they have and how they are considered such great reporters. They hang around DC hoping someone is going to tell them something salacious.

    It can be useful, but it’s not the be all and end all of reporting, even though the modern media seems to believe it is.

  75. 75.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 10:16 am

    @geg6:

    There’s no real “engagement” between McCardle and an ordinary non-celebrity on Twitter. I read Twitter. She doesn’t respond to random “Mike in San Antonio” accounts. She responds to other media people or high profile liberals who are employed in or around politics. I don’t care about this media content marketplace I’m witnessing – I don’t have anything invested in changing it, but that is what I’m witnessing- not a “town square”. If McCardle and Mike in San Antonio were sitting in a room and he criticized her work she would have to respond to him. On Twitter she doesn’t. He’s just one of tens of members of the rabble she can ignore.

    The structure of the marketplace is suited to sell their work. It’s not suited to some broad ranging citizen debate. It’s rare to see ordinary people engage with each other on Twitter. They’re commenting on what some higher profile person said. There’s little or no engagement between the commenters.

  76. 76.

    opiejeanne

    April 30, 2022 at 10:17 am

     

    Trying one more time:

    Is anyone interested in a meet-up in Chicago next week? We will be in town on May 6, 7, & 8, leaving on the 9th. We have tickets to a 1 pm Cubs game on the 6th but should be free by 6 pm. Other than that we are flexible. We have a list of things we want to do, like the architecture boat tour on the Chicago River, visit the Field Museum and the Art Institute.

  77. 77.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 10:20 am

    @Starfish: The person whose twitter handle is “asymmetricinfo” refuses to admit that the two political parties are asymmetric in their polarities and the faithfulness of their arguments.

    I’d slap my forehead, but I am not willing to even symbolically injure myself for Ms. Arglebargle.

  78. 78.

    sdhays

    April 30, 2022 at 10:21 am

    @kalakal: Wow.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 10:23 am

    @geg6:

    The debate on Twitter is “Up to Down” or “Up across with another Up”. There’s no Down to Up or (especially) Down with Up. In an actual town hall meeting it’s almost all Down to Up. Media people on Twitter have WAY more influence than ordinary readers and users. It’s not even close and it’s ridiculous to pretend it is.

    It’s way more important to media people- the people who sell content-  than it is to ordinary people too, probably unlike Facebook, which a lot of people love and use exclusively to connect with other ordinary Facebook users.

  80. 80.

    Mike in NC

    April 30, 2022 at 10:24 am

    they genuinely miss the sociopathic President with a sad comb over and fifth grade reading level who literally tried to destroy democracy.

    I disagree here. I think at best he had a third grade reading level. Probably suffered from a learning disability as a child before those things were properly diagnosed. He got shipped off to a private military academy to fix that and it obviously didn’t work.

  81. 81.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 10:27 am

    @Soprano2: The lack of leaks suggests two things to me. One, the Biden WH is probably pretty firm in their position that leaking doesn’t help, and has some sort of enforcement threat in place. But, two (and I think the more relevant): The people working in the Biden WH believe in the project, are damn busy doing it, and trust Psaki and the comms team to get the messages out about their efforts.
    Maybe reporters could do some digging around to find out what has all those West Wingers so darn busy!

  82. 82.

    Jinchi

    April 30, 2022 at 10:30 am

    @Kropacetic: ​ The dulling down of the White House beat is not due to a lack of reportorial talent in the room.

    The funny thing is that Huckabee-Sanders ended press briefings, so there was no room for talent to be in for the last year of TFG’s presidency.​​

  83. 83.

    prostratedragon

    April 30, 2022 at 10:30 am

    @opiejeanne:  Bring jackets; looks like it’s going to be chilly. Weather permitting though, I recommend the boat tour.  I’m not current on the pub scene, though again weather permitting I know of one potential spot down LSD from the museums, which I think will still have outdoor seating.

  84. 84.

    opiejeanne

    April 30, 2022 at 10:36 am

    @Soprano2: All the gossip and scandal of the previous administration, and there was some Thing or several Things every damned day.

    I like a boring government, that just goes about our business in an orderly fashion, and works to make our lives better.

  85. 85.

    Amir Khalid

    April 30, 2022 at 10:37 am

    @kalakal:

    Any sane person knew that well before the 2016 referendum. Fifty points from Tory House for denying the obvious.

  86. 86.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 10:39 am

    @NotMax: Trevor J. Lee, esq., is still on the “meet the team” page for business lawfirm Manning Curtis Bradshaw & Bednar, PLLC in Salt lake City.

    Shall one construe that the entire firm is OK with his transphobia and eliminationist rhetoric? It sure would be nice if politics reporters would ask questions of these candidates peers. He’s a partner in the firm, for chrissakes.

  87. 87.

    germy

    April 30, 2022 at 10:39 am

    @Spanky:

    I don’t know.  Does fascism disappear if we don’t pay attention to it?

  88. 88.

    Jinchi

    April 30, 2022 at 10:40 am

    @Kay: ​ It’s not suited to some broad ranging citizen debate. It’s rare to see ordinary people engage with each other on Twitter.

    That was my impression when I heard people obsessing about their twitter ratio. The implication is that if people reply to your tweet, they probably hated it, and if they liked your tweet they have nothing more to add.​

  89. 89.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 10:41 am

    Alex Pareene is a liberal writer who writes for liberal outlets but also sells his work independently:

    ‘Weird Alex’ Pareene
    @pareene
    Apr 27
    no matter what happens I think we all agree that you shouldn’t take a break from this platform on which I have a large following and which I use to promote my work

    No puffed up, grandiose lecture about how Twitter is a “town square”, no scolding about the “illiberal Left” – he’s just telling you what the business model is for them. I appreciate the honesty.

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 10:42 am

    @RaflW

    Maybe reporters could do some digging around to find out what has all those West Wingers so darn busy!

    Obligatory?

    :)

  91. 91.

    trnc

    April 30, 2022 at 10:44 am

    For any WH correspondents who feel like their beat is too boring, there’s plenty of excitement in Ukraine. How you manage to get in would probably be quite a story in itself.

  92. 92.

    germy

    April 30, 2022 at 10:46 am

    @Kay:

    I thought he was being sarcastic?  A comment on the big-name blue checks?

  93. 93.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2022 at 10:46 am

    Corey Ryan Forrester First of His [email protected]
    “Everyone is so offended these days and Hollywood is shoving their gay agenda down our throats!”

    You and me, Corey.

    eta and before anybody jumps all over me, go and watch it. It’s not what it sounds like.

  94. 94.

    narya

    April 30, 2022 at 10:47 am

    @opiejeanne: I would consider it . . . except I have to go to Madison next weekend!

  95. 95.

    prostratedragon

    April 30, 2022 at 10:47 am

    I saw this on my Guardian box and had to stop very soon thereafter:

    “Americans believe nothing is getting better. Biden feeds that disillusionment”
    — David Sirota

  96. 96.

    germy

    April 30, 2022 at 10:48 am

    @prostratedragon:

    Things are getting better for Sirota.  So that’s something, anyway

  97. 97.

    prostratedragon

    April 30, 2022 at 10:49 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  Jen “The Mirror” Psaki

  98. 98.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 10:49 am

    @RaflW

    Before jumping to conclusions, might be a different T. Lee? Per the article linked above,

    Lee, who lists Home Depot as his employer on his financial disclosure form

  99. 99.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2022 at 10:51 am

    God. THIS is why we are fucking doomed.

    Lord save us from Presidents who are fun for the media to cover. They think it’s all a sitcom.

  100. 100.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 10:52 am

    @Jinchi:

    And the high profile Twitter users could change that if they wanted to – if they actually had some lofty committment to “free ranging debate” and a “town hall”. Maggie Haberman could take a criticism from “Mary in South Bend” and engage with it, but she won’t. Because that’s not what Twitter is for- Twitter is for promoting their work and engaging only with other higher status users.

  101. 101.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2022 at 10:53 am

    I was already taking an extended break from Twitter when the Musk business broke. It was a good decision. You all saw what it was doing to my head.

  102. 102.

    opiejeanne

    April 30, 2022 at 10:55 am

    @NotMax: Wow. And Lee beat out far less radical Republicans for that nomination.

  103. 103.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2022 at 10:56 am

    @Jinchi: My experience was that friendly discussions about non-political subjects, like mathematics (there is a lot of good stuff on math Twitter), would get replies that were positive. But that was all low-volume–the numbers would be in the single or double digits. When you get into posts with hundreds or thousands of likes or replies, that’s when the ratio logic applies–if a thousand people reply without liking, you’ve got haters.

  104. 104.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2022 at 10:57 am

    @trnc

    Where they would end up filing stories a la Damien. And another.

    //

  105. 105.

    James E Powell

    April 30, 2022 at 10:58 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s unfixable with the current Beltway crew. They should be retired to the private sector to write PR puff pieces for oil/tech barons and other paying scum.

    Too easy. I want them busing tables, washing dishes, and scrubbing bathrooms in rural diners throughout the midwest. Then will they learn about their RealAmericans®.

  106. 106.

    kindness

    April 30, 2022 at 10:59 am

    I think Jen Psaki makes it hard for the WHPC to get a Gotcha! moment.  She’s more informed and smarter than most the people in the room and they know it.  Doocey is the only one who thinks showing everyone he’s Fox’s yappy dog idiot is a good thing,

  107. 107.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 11:03 am

    @germy:

    He does use it to promote his work. They all do. It’s just most of them insist they’re engaged in something else, that the PUBLIC has some personal, vital interest in this promotional/sales tool.

    The public will continue to have the debates or fights they have with or without Twitter. None of these people read “MAGA Mary from Arkansas” anyway. Twitter could consist exclusively of higher profile accounts and it would change not at all.

  108. 108.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2022 at 11:04 am

    @Mike in NC: Donald Trump’s parents were abusive, like Donald Trump himself. They shipped him to a private military academy because to parents like that, institutionalizing the abuse is the way you deal with a kid who seems to be wayward.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 30, 2022 at 11:06 am

    @narya: Ha! And I won’t be in Madison because of Mothers’ Day.

  110. 110.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 11:10 am

    @prostratedragon: Don’t read the comments, they’ll do awful to your blood pressure. Exactly the sort of ignorant wazzocks that Schrodingers Cat rightly detests.

  111. 111.

    opiejeanne

    April 30, 2022 at 11:11 am

    @narya: Well, fooey. Or is that phooey?

    I thought Mothers Day was tomorrow, the 1st of May, when I booked the train, and that I’d be home for our kids if they wanted to do something. I should have checked the calendar.

  112. 112.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 11:11 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    The Politico article is weirdly boring. It’s about how they launched careers on Obama and then Trump and now (not) on Biden. It’s about as interesting as reading “Top Performers in Real Estate Today”.

    I think we make a category error when we describe these people as “conservative” or “ideological”

    What they are is “conventional” and RIGIDLY “traditional”. It’s a prestigious job that is supposed to lead to a more prestigious job (a slot on cable news, according to the article) and a huge bump in income. That’s how it’s supposed to work. It hasn’t with Biden, so things are “out of order” and must be aligned.

  113. 113.

    narya

    April 30, 2022 at 11:15 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I didn’t realize you were there. If we get Great Taste tickets, I’ll post it here–there are always a ton of things to do that week.

  114. 114.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 11:15 am

    @Amir Khalid: Heh, it could be taken direct from the Remainer manifesto. The best bit his job title is Minister for Brexit Opportunities  The only ‘opportunity’ he has so far found is to try to hit reverse

  115. 115.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 11:17 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    The Fox news guy says it outright. He says it’s working okay for him to continue to occupy this prestige stepping stone and he’s happy to wait for his inevitable, hugely lucrative cable slot on Fox. The reward he’ll get for adding “inflation” to every sentence he utters.

  116. 116.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 11:19 am

    duplicate deleted

  117. 117.

    Alison Rose ???

    April 30, 2022 at 11:20 am

    We did one of those career aptitude tests in high school, and my top result was journalist. At the time, I seriously considered pursuing that path in college. Thank the fucking Lord I didn’t, because I wouldn’t want to be associated with whiny ass little bitches like these people in any way, shape, or form.

  118. 118.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 11:22 am

    @James E Powell:

    Too easy. I want them busing tables, washing dishes, and scrubbing bathrooms in rural diners throughout the midwest. Then will they learn about their RealAmericans®.

    I like the way you think

  119. 119.

    prostratedragon

    April 30, 2022 at 11:23 am

    @kalakal:  I couldn’t even get past the opening couple of paragraphs in the article.

  120. 120.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 11:31 am

    @kalakal: The part that I find so demoralising about this isn’t even the self-harm, though that’s a ridiculous own-goal. It is that the Tories seem able to hold onto power when they are utterly sclerotic and corrupt.

    Bodes ill for us over here in the other half of the ‘special relationship’  anglophone wank-mocracies.

  121. 121.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2022 at 11:32 am

    @Kay: I think that the format of Twitter makes really good discussion impossible unless volumes of people involved remain very low. The fact that any individual *sentence* in what you write can trivially become the seed of a new thread going off on a tangent that is completely divorced from the context in which you were trying to say it, to the point that that context is physically hard to find–this encourages hot takes, punchy punchlines and vilification, and also makes engagement perilous unless it’s a very small and obscure discussion. It’s just a bad medium for anything serious. Even smart, good writers get pulled into hot takes, venting, picking fights and doom-mongering. And I know a thing or two about doom-mongering.

  122. 122.

    Sure Lurkalot

    April 30, 2022 at 11:45 am

    @kalakal: I don’t care if they have some table waiting type job, but absolutely, if they are so interested in what the salt of the earth Americans say and think, make them go live where they do. No more lazy ass takes after which you go back to your fancy apartment to get ready for your Michelin star dinner before the play.

  123. 123.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 11:47 am

    @prostratedragon: I was practically spitting blood.

     

    @RaflW: Absolutely. It’s the English* version of MAGA, both the base and “top”

    The Tory cabinet ounce for ounce could rival Trumps for corruption, malice and incompetence. Nearly all the leading Brexiteers have a) dual nationality with an EU country and/or b) shifted their money there eg Rees-Smug’s business shifted to Ireland, Farage has a German wife, Lawson lives in France.

    For incompetence I present Nadine Dorries the Secretary of State for Digital Culture, Media, and Sport. Currently trying to defend the deeply unpopular forced privatisation of the Channel 4 tv station ( their news program was mean to the Dear Leader) in a recent interview she defended it by proclaiming the success of the privatisation of Channel 5. When it was pointed out to her that channel 5 has always been a private company she repeated the claim.

  124. 124.

    Kathleen

    April 30, 2022 at 11:48 am

    @Ken: I had the same reaction.

  125. 125.

    Kathleen

    April 30, 2022 at 11:54 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Whch is why I started calling them “Mainslime Media” in early 2000. For that very reason. Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter were lauded for being “satirists” during the 90’s. It’s been a quick downward slide since.

  126. 126.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 11:54 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s an excellent little video.  Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  127. 127.

    feebog

    April 30, 2022 at 11:55 am

    Charlie Pierce didn’t dub it “Tigerbeat on the Potomac” for nothing.  The blame lies solely with Joe Biden for competently doing his job and Jan Psaki for being the smartest person in the room at every press conference.

  128. 128.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 11:57 am

    @Kay: This is indeed why Baquet was so full of merde when he said twitter would take the place of a public editor.

    None of the reporters or editors at the NYT have any incentive whatsoever to engage in ordinary conversation with schlubs like us, even if we’re subscribers. (They still manage to have their thin skins pricked by the ‘tone’ of the critiques, tho!)

  129. 129.

    Tenar Arha

    April 30, 2022 at 11:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  Yeah, SWTG it’s clear they clearly long for their lowest difficulty setting back. Trump gave all the smarmy access beat stenographers that “I’m an investigative powerhouse” feeling because just semi-accurately repeating the crazy THEY were experiencing felt heroic.

  130. 130.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 12:02 pm

    @kalakal: Something seems to be seriously broken with the British press – even more than what we accept as normal.

    Neil Parish, the MP who was caught watching porn in the House of Commons, went on GB News earlier this week to discuss… the MP who was caught watching porn in the House of Commons

    ?

    pic.twitter.com/eQJ6rQjzFL

    — PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) April 29, 2022

    Tomorrow they're running "Jacob Rees Mogg's relief at publicly admitting he despises poor people and wishes they would all die from Brexit" https://t.co/0403Ci3spa

    — HappyToast ★ (@IamHappyToast) April 30, 2022

    Now the Tractor porn MP has resigned without the need for weeks of investigation or anything, can the liar and lawbreaker Boris Johnson please fuck off?

    — HappyToast ★ (@IamHappyToast) April 30, 2022

    Magic 8-Ball says “Outlook not so good”

    :-/

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  131. 131.

    Old Man Shadow

    April 30, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    I would like something Old Testament Biblical to happen to all of these fuckers.

  132. 132.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    @NotMax: Ahh, I should have looked more closely. I believe the term of art is “I regret the error” (but I actually do).

  133. 133.

    Scout211

    April 30, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    For many of us olds and middle-aged, the rapid change from news with news reporters and journalists to splashy infotainment has been sad and disturbing.

    Every media company has to compete with social media to catch viewers attention so the companies can make money.  It just seems like the news has slowly turned into one giant TikTok with news reporters more like influencers these days.

    Man, I sound old.

  134. 134.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    For any who may retain any doubt after Tony Jays epic diatribes as to the all round splendidness of the British Government may I present Mark Spencer, leader of the Commons ( the UKs answer to Pelosi) MP.

    Recently Priti Patel the Dalek acting as Home Secretary accepted a $4,000 freebie to the latest James Bond premiere. The justification is that it was part of her work because her department includes MI5.

    Here is Spencer being grilled by Chris Bryant MP head of the Standards Committee.

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1518955367065137154?s=20&t=z9Nyqsr0lAatOARi62Pv7Q

  135. 135.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    @RaflW:

    I just think that when you read analysis of Twitter that is written by the people who most benefit financially from Twitter the more sensible way to approach what they write is not “free speech” but instead “this is an absolutely vital tool for their business model”. Is it about “you” or “us” or “democracy”? Really? I’m just a reader and even if I weren’t I wouldn’t be engaging with Maggie Haberman or McCardle. They would never engage with me. There’s no upside at all to them doing so. I also don’t particularly want to, but if I did.

    So maybe the “public square” part of Twitter is part-of-the- rabble Twitter members engaging with each other? This is how the public will hash out their differences, talking with each other? No, because there’s almost none of that on Twitter.

  136. 136.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2022 at 12:07 pm

    Twitter like anything else is what you make of it. When I follow journalists whose beats I am interested in I don’t expect them to respond. I have had Twitter conversations with some media folk on occasion and I am a tiny account with less than 400 followers.

    I have also had engagement with Twitter mutuals who are BJers. Twitter has been a great source for COVID19 related announcements as I followed my governor and other lawmakers.

    I have also connected and followed lots of Democrats who are not overwhelmingly white and who didn’t think that EW was the best presidential candidate in the last cycle.

    Also too, Cat Twitter, I have mutuals from around the globe and we do interact!

    Plus it has been invaluable in following the news from India. I have had lots of constructive engagement with mid sized Twitter accounts of writers and journalists some of who have become mutuals. Plus I can interact with many directly in Marathi and Hindi which keeps my language skills from getting too rusty.

    Twitter for all its flaws is what this place used to be. And it is even better because I get to tweet in 3 languages.

    There is more to Twitter than the “progressive” bubble this place has become.

  137. 137.

    scav

    April 30, 2022 at 12:07 pm

    @kalakal: Fabricant defending Flobalob’s Lockdown Boozefests as just exactly what all the Nurses and Teachers were getting up to at their work ranks high on an incompetence scale, tone-deaf version. Extra point for the fan-boy cosplay hair style, but as he’s expressed apologetic noises,  his Toryfrontery score has slipped.

  138. 138.

    Bill Arnold

    April 30, 2022 at 12:08 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    “Project Fear” was an effective pejorative term.
    We’ve seen some of that more recently with COVID-19 in the US; right-wingers mocking people as irrationally fearful for taking and advocating for basic precautions to reduce the chances of community spread of an infectious disease. I’ve personally heard ordinary non-political people mindlessly echoing it.

  139. 139.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 12:17 pm

    @Another Scott: GB* news was launched about 6 months ago to fill the percieved need for a British version of Fox for the poor underserved RWNJs.

    It gets an average audience of 7 ( and a bewildered dog ) and is a total shitshow heading for bankruptcy.

    *popularly known as Gammon Broadcasting. Gammon is slang for Brexiteers/ English RWNJs , due to their appearance, sweaty flushed Pink

  140. 140.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 12:24 pm

    @Kay: Well said. My issue is the transparently absurd idea that the Times “no longer needs a public editor because twitter.”

    I know the NYT is a piñata around here (by me, too) but as the so-called paper of record, they’re just refusing to be approachable or accountable. Twitter ain’t it, surely. But it was their excuse.

  141. 141.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 12:24 pm

    Lee Fang
    @lhfang
    · 9h
    Hating Elon Musk… for the simple reason his electric car company is successful and he tweets a lot… is the least interesting form of leftism.

    The slightest criticism of Elon Musk elicts this reaction. You “hate” him if you’re not fawning all over him. From the self appointed free speech defenders, no less.
    The funniest part is how they portray it as bold contrarianism. A lot of people admire celebrity rich people. It is the furthest thing from “bold”. Just be one of the hundreds of millions of people who admire celebrity rich people. Completely normal.

  142. 142.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 12:28 pm

    @RaflW:

    Did the public editor help? I bought the WaPo because I was reading it so much but  after Iraq and the insane overplaying of the Clinton emails – bridge too far for me and the NYT. Some mistakes are too big to ignore. They won’t get a third chance from me.

  143. 143.

    Amir Khalid

    April 30, 2022 at 12:32 pm

    @kalakal:

    Mark Spencer, leader of the Commons

    Who the hell names their kid after a department store?

  144. 144.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @kalakal: Ah.  Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  145. 145.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    It is genuinely funny how the man himself, with his own Tweets, is just demolishing any notion anyone could have had that this is about “free speech”

    Josh Marshall
    @joshtpm
    1h
    Is he 9? And when exactly did “the Democratic Party” even caring about him? In three days we’ve gone from free speech neutrality to a grudge match with “the Democratic Party” that Elmo is going to “finish”. Totally normal stuff.

    Musk vows to “finish” the fight with the Democratic Party on the platform he’s buying. What “fight” you’re wondering? Weren’t we told repeatedly that this was not about ideological or Party promotion and dominance like THREE DAYS AGO?
    Rupert Murdoch is a model of subtle owner influence compared to this guy.
    His critics could not do a better job showing what he is than he is doing. They should really just let him take it from here. Elon Musk is the best Elon Musk myth shatterer out there.

  146. 146.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @Kay: I’m annoyed as heck with Musk because he’s used making an okay electric car company into a platform to weigh in on everything from L.A. subways to wether to take wellbutrin.

    He’s abusing a well-worn track in American life: Be successful at something, ergo you’re a multi-dimensional genius about everything.

  147. 147.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    @Amir Khalid: :) :) :)

  148. 148.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    @Kay: The slightest criticism of Elon Musk elicts this reaction. You “hate” him if you’re not fawning all over him.

    It’s a classic self-fulfilling characterization, I suppose.

  149. 149.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 12:49 pm

    @RaflW: @Kay:

    Elon knows that “mindshare” is the real coin of wealth and power.  Just like TFG did.

    Every tweet about Elon is one less bit of attention to Ola Källenius and M-B’s EQS and their demonstration of 1000 km range in their EQXX.

    The best way for the sensible world to take power away from Elon and TFG and all the rest is to stop giving them mindshare.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  150. 150.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 12:53 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    He vows to “finish” his fight (?) with the Democratic Party. I don’t know- I can read and this is a political actor. Why not just admit it? He won’t be the first right wing multi billionaire. What would be shocking if he wasn’t one.

    What’s funny is watching him make it impossible to deny he is a political actor with every Tweet :)

    I can’t imagine what Democratic Leadership did to Elon Musk but it must have been bad. I bet it’s because they’re the only people even attempting to regulate his business interests and enforce US law and raise his taxes and perhaps make it harder for him to union bust, but there’s no “free speech” angle in that so it won’t sell newsletters. He can’t be mad at them for giving him huge public subsidies for his car company, right? Talk about ungrateful.

  151. 151.

    Ken

    April 30, 2022 at 1:03 pm

    @kalakal: Nearly all the leading Brexiteers have a) dual nationality with an EU country and/or b) shifted their money there

    Handy to have a refuge in case you accidentally(?) destroy your current country.  Though if they crash the London real estate market, they’ll have to go further than Europe. The Moon might not be far enough.

  152. 152.

    Planetjanet

    April 30, 2022 at 1:07 pm

    @kalakal: Thanks goodness I had not reached for my coffee as I read this.  Touché.

  153. 153.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    Just came across this wonderful parody of Boris’ Britain

    https://costadelsolupdate.com/brexitland-goes-bust/

  154. 154.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    April 30, 2022 at 1:15 pm

    @Ken: ​

    They couldn’t even push back effectively when the first big lie about inauguration attendance came out, and it went downhill from there.

    If pushing back effectively means getting the administration to admit the truth, then, to be fair, that was never really an option in the Trump administration.

  155. 155.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    @Another Scott: I muted Musk a year ago. Only unmuted him a couple days ago to see a few samples of his inanity. Mute going back on now. (It won’t matter very much, but if millions of us mute him, it would lower his views and drop him at least a bit in the almighty algorithms.)

  156. 156.

    Ruckus ??

    April 30, 2022 at 1:26 pm

    …they genuinely miss the sociopathic President with a sad comb over and fifth grade reading level who literally tried to destroy democracy.

    The most truthful sentence about SFB and a way to large segment of the press. Self centered, far more concerned about their careers that their asking asinine questions of an asinine excuse of a human is far more important than living in a country that is being destroyed from the inside by that sad comb over with a first grade reading level who has sold whatever little soul he ever had to the lowest bidder.

    (No I didn’t mistakenly change fifth grade to first grade level)

  157. 157.

    Captain C

    April 30, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    @Starfish: Village Idiots:  “You need to listen to their good points or you’re a bad person!”

    Us:  “OK, what good points do they have?”

    VI:  “YOU need to figure this out!!!”

    Us:  OK, but what points of theirs do YOU think are good?

    VI:  “I can’t answer that or I’ll be biased!!  But you’re definitely in the wrong, whatever you do or say.”

  158. 158.

    James E Powell

    April 30, 2022 at 1:44 pm

    @Ruckus ??:

    That their careers are what matters most is shown not only by their saving critical information for their books, but by their heated defense of that practice.

    They are not good people.

  159. 159.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 1:46 pm

    I wonder too if their diagnosis of the reduction of audience engagement is just wrong. People were home a lot more during the pandemic. They were much more reliant on news media for information than they ordinarily are, even just about the pandemic. Maybe they’re just going back to their ordinary level of engagement, back at work, out and about, which included almost no one watching the White House press events.

  160. 160.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 1:59 pm

    Black employee hits Tesla with third racial discrimination lawsuit this year https://t.co/4ghyPP1IyK pic.twitter.com/E9AkBJsAlg

    — ? R Saddler (@Politics_PR) April 30, 2022

    (Points to a RawStory piece.)

    Eyes on the prizes.

    (via EclecticBrotha)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  161. 161.

    sab

    April 30, 2022 at 2:07 pm

    @Kay: I think you have something there.

  162. 162.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 2:10 pm

    A day or few ago, a jackal said they were going to be at a political event and were looking for ammunition to counter “grooming” screeching. It seems there’s a crowdsourced list:

    GoogleDocs – 812 and counting #RepublicanSexualPredators.

    Via Joe Conason at NationalMemo via kelly2277 via Cajsa via EclecticBrotha

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  163. 163.

    RaflW

    April 30, 2022 at 2:25 pm

    @Kay: For one thing, Biden’s EEOC is investigating Tesla.

  164. 164.

    Kay

    April 30, 2022 at 2:35 pm

    @RaflW:

    Well, Musk announced he intends to “finish” his fight with the the Democratic Party –  from a ordinary multi billionaire that might sound like a threat to hold off regulators, but I understand this billionaire is nearly mythical, like a twinkly fairy.

    What if the simple answer is the answer? He wants to own the platform to both make a profit and push his political alliances and interests- and those two things are the same thing to him, especially because of his extensive involvement in deregulation efforts. Government.

    Take away the Space Magic Spangly Crown and isn’t that what this looks like?

  165. 165.

    kalakal

    April 30, 2022 at 2:36 pm

    @Another Scott: Good grief! That list is horrific

  166. 166.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 30, 2022 at 2:36 pm

    @Kay:  So maybe the “public square” part of Twitter is part-of-the- rabble Twitter members engaging with each other? This is how the public will hash out their differences, talking with each other? No, because there’s almost none of that on Twitter.

    Below the level of the big names, there is a lot of that available on Twitter if you choose to use it that way.  Being careful who you follow and with whom you interact, can make Twitter a very valuable place to be.  Following people like Hilzoy and Magi_Jay is a way to have interesting ideas and articles that you might not otherwise see put in front of you.  Illusory_Tenant and Nada_Elmikashki are real useful for WI politics; so are Ben Wikler and the Dem Reps and candidates.  And then there are the various niche twitters, where engagement and discussion happen a lot.  It’s a tool, and it can be a valuable one.  You also have to be able to know when Twitter as a whole goes mad, and shut it down for a while.

  167. 167.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    they genuinely miss the sociopathic President with a sad comb over and fifth grade reading level who literally tried to destroy democracy.

    Fucking press corpse!

    “We want the fascist manbaby back!  Biden is so adult and BOOOORRRRIIIINNNNNNGGG!”

    And their profession was given explicit protection under the US Constitution!  Fucking hell!

  168. 168.

    JoyceH

    April 30, 2022 at 2:48 pm

    I see a lot of Twitter discussion on this thread, so hope someone can help me out. For some reason, for the past few days, my Twitter feed has become inundated with tweets about – Kenyan politics. It’s not anyone I follow, all the Tweets are headed ‘you might like’. Somehow the Twitter algorithms have decided I’m interested in Kenyan politics, and I am SO not. Is there some way I can convince them of that? And how might this have happened?

  169. 169.

    Ruckus ??

    April 30, 2022 at 2:59 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Thank You!

    I needed a laugh this morning…..

    Just got back from my daily walk and your comment was the first on the screen.

  170. 170.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    @JoyceH: You can click on the 3 dots to the right and choose the option that says that you are not interested in the topic.

  171. 171.

    JaneE

    April 30, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    We actually used to talk policy during lunch hours with co-workers.  Far from boring, we had arguments over why it was better to do x over y.  That was back when you could point out a flaw or possible unintended consequence and those arguing for it would try to come up with a work-around or mitigation.  It usually started with some idiot trying to say a problem was “simple”, and the fix was “simple too” and even the people who were closer to his side would jump in with all the reasons why nothing in a country our size was simple at all.  “What’s your solution?” was an invitation to spend an hour arguing over some issue, and “why would they do that?” was an invitation to criticize whatever compromise had just been signed into law.  More often than not, what made it into law was far from perfect, but difficult to improve none the less.  The good old days.

  172. 172.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 3:07 pm

    @JoyceH: I don’t have a Twitter account.  But in case this is helpful:

    Twitter – Turn off personalized content based on your 3rd party web activity.

    ReviewGeek – How to keep suggested tweets off your feed

    HTH a little. Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  173. 173.

    James E Powell

    April 30, 2022 at 3:10 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Somebody – I recommend Jay Rosen – can explain to One Reporter that it doesn’t have to be that way. One Reporter could try journalism.

  174. 174.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 30, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    at this point what interests me most about Musk and twitter is: will he back out of the deal and claim it was “cancelled”, and/but if he goes through with it, will some other site pop to take all the Musk-haters and people who want to remain anonymous?

  175. 175.

    Tony Jay

    April 30, 2022 at 3:26 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Of course there’s a statue. You’re talking like you don’t have one.

    What do you hang your keys on?

  176. 176.

    Ruckus ??

    April 30, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    @James E Powell:

    They are not good people.

    Sure they are! Just ask them.

    I know there are good people in the journalism field, people that actually think about what they write, not how much they are going to get paid to write it. But our society praises money and having more of it get higher praise. Work has become for so many people not what you do to earn money, but how much you make for doing it, a decent output or not. Money has become the most important thing, and it’s putting the cart before the horse. Or more appropriate it’s killing the horse because it costs money and effort to have one and the cart should move itself. The fact that it can’t isn’t important. The people they work for are all about the money, not earning it, although they think they do, it’s all about having it. And because of that it’s not important how they get the money, the product produced for the money isn’t important. Most of us work as producers of product, be it solid, liquid, or thought. But any more it’s the quantity of product not the quality that is considered important. And the shittier the product the less it costs to produce so if you can sell a cheaper product at a better profit you are a genius.

    They are all about cheaper, crappier products.

  177. 177.

    Wapiti

    April 30, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    @Kay: I had to come back to this to laud you for this idea that twitter “debate” only flows from top down, or top to top. Mind blown. Truth received.

  178. 178.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 3:47 pm

    @Kay:

    In fairness, whatever meds Elon is on, clearly, are not working. https://t.co/b5C25lsQiz

    — Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) April 30, 2022

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  179. 179.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    Beau of the 5th Column – Cawthorn being undercut by NC state GQP, not those in DC. Maybe?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  180. 180.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    Maybe some things are moving on student debt relief. TheHill:

    President Biden plans to move forward with student loan debt forgiveness, with two sources telling The Hill he is considering action to expunge at least $10,000 per borrower.

    The debt forgiveness would be through executive action and follows the president asking the Education Department to look into his authority to act unilaterally on student loans a year ago, the results of which have not been publicly announced.

    Bloomberg first reported that Biden is weighing forgiving at least $10,000 in student loans per borrower, citing people familiar with the matter.

    “But the door has been open to possibly larger,” a source told The Hill. “Lots of options on the table. They are doing a lot of listening right now.”

    The source added that there’s been no timeline set yet on when the president will act.

    […]

    Biden knows how to do this politics stuff. Here’s hoping that Congress does its part to fix more of the educational funding system (which will ultimately depend on more sensible votes in Congress). And here’s hoping that voters understand that good things will only happen if they turn out to vote.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  181. 181.

    WhatsMyNym

    April 30, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    will he back out of the deal

    Well Musk sold a chunk of Tesla stock this week, knocking the price down. Maybe he’s just using this as a way of selling Tesla stock before it crashes back down to reality.

  182. 182.

    justsomeguy

    April 30, 2022 at 4:45 pm

    @Spanky:

    Talent & integrity get culled out before they can reach that level.  Only deferential drones are allowed to be courtiers of Versaille, and favored employees of the ruling class.

  183. 183.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    Would like to return to the old days, when unstable plutocrats stayed in their rooms and collected bottles of their own urine.

    — Cheryl Rofer (@CherylRofer) April 30, 2022

    +1

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  184. 184.

    Ruckus ??

    April 30, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    That first tweet, the quote:

    “You guys are obsessed with Trump. Did you used to date him? Because you pretend like you hate him, but I think you love him. I think what no one in this room wants to admit is that Trump has helped all of you.”

    SFB gave them eyeballs no matter what they wrote, his inability to do anything but sell his 10000% useless ass, to people that have more than enough of their own useless ass selves and think that money and hate are the only keys to life took them little time and even less effort to get paid to write about. And it gave the haters the keys to the hate vehicle, the concept that overthrowing the government that doesn’t let them hate to the degree that they want is wrong.

    Hate is the human emotion that we need because, well humans, but it is extremely easy to end up with hate as the emotion that we can expound on and it’s easy for hate to be the overriding emotion in life. Having that emotion fed a study diet of acceptance by other haters is likely to be the human emotion that is supposed to protect us, be our downfall if we can’t see that it is not the best way to grow and evolve.

    Hate and greed are something we all are capable of and are supposed to guard against accepting as the only answers but are the easiest let take control of our personalities if we aren’t careful. And many humans are not at all careful.

  185. 185.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @WhatsMyNym:

    Convinced Musk’s offer to buy Twitter was a ruse in order to have an excuse to dump billions of dollars worth of his Tesla stock at $900 a share, before it falls to a much lower level. Now he’s being psycho on purpose to make the Twitter purchase fall apart & he’ll keep his cash.

    — Tom Joseph (@TomJChicago) April 30, 2022

    Maybe. Musk is flighty and shoots off his mouth a lot. He may not have thought more than 6 hours ahead.

    I’m still interested in what the SEC is going to do…

    (via soonergrunt)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  186. 186.

    James E Powell

    April 30, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Would like to return to the old days, when unstable plutocrats stayed in their rooms and collected bottles of their own urine.

    — Cheryl Rofer (@CherylRofer) April 30, 2022

     

    There just aren’t enough professional sports franchises to go around.

  187. 187.

    James E Powell

    April 30, 2022 at 5:40 pm

    @Another Scott:

    I’m still interested in what the SEC is going to do…

    I predict it will do nothing because there will be nothing that can be done.

  188. 188.

    germy

    April 30, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    The left have moved so far left that they wish to see the richest people pay as much income tax as they would have under Eisenhower and Churchill.

    — Dan Snow (@thehistoryguy) April 30, 2022

  189. 189.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    @prostratedragon: ​
     

    David Sirota

    Trooooooooooooooool…..

  190. 190.

    There go two miscreants

    April 30, 2022 at 6:39 pm

    @JoyceH: kilgore trout has some advice that may be of use here:

    (thread)

    https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/1520452373055000582

    (via @johnrog1)

  191. 191.

    Another Scott

    April 30, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    @There go two miscreants: Interesting. Seems a little heavy handed at first glance (how do new sincere users ever gain enough followers, etc., if they’re blocked by everyone “famous” that they come across??), but it shows how bad the problem is.

    The comment about the “Megablock” add-on strikes me as something that Twitter should do on its own.  It shows that the technology exists – Twitter just doesn’t care enough to make the site much more troll resistant.  And it’s one of the reasons why I’ve never seriously considered getting an account there…

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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