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Monday Morning Open Thread: Eid Mubarak!

by Anne Laurie|  May 2, 20227:30 am| 34 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Religion

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Muslims worldwide are preparing for Eid al-Fitr tomorrow to mark the end of the fasting month of #Ramadan

All Muslim-majority countries celebrate Eid for three days https://t.co/6jPxrTPUaA pic.twitter.com/jighlZ6eSj

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) May 1, 2022

… to those who observe, with all respect.

?? From @reuterspictures: Muslims around the world observe the holy month of Ramadan https://t.co/BHSL3U1v0G pic.twitter.com/7yNgHA2o3q

— Reuters (@Reuters) May 1, 2022

ICYMI: Shopping malls in Dhaka have been decorated with colorful lights, preparing for a mass of shoppers ahead of Eid pic.twitter.com/TqCUnKoOha

— Reuters (@Reuters) April 30, 2022

#Eid is a very big deal but we don’t often see it acknowledged by society. Thank you, @MerryKish, @tamoorh, @DeputyARUUU & @fr0gan for these reflections from the gaming world! https://t.co/dDl5toWlw6

— Muslim Advocates (@MuslimAdvocates) May 1, 2022

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  1. 1.

    NotMax

    May 2, 2022 at 7:40 am

    “Can’t you just picture it on the mantelpiece.? It’ll tie the whole room together.”

    A bomb scare set off scenes of panic at Israel’s airport after an American family showed up with an unexploded artillery shell they had found in the Golan Heights and intended to bring back as a souvenir. Source

  2. 2.

    WereBear

    May 2, 2022 at 7:48 am

    @NotMax: So… American.

  3. 3.

    p.a.

    May 2, 2022 at 7:50 am

    @NotMax: 
    It’ll tie the floor to the ceiling to the walls to your internal organs!

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    May 2, 2022 at 7:51 am

    @WereBear

    “It’s my emotional support explosive.”

    //

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    May 2, 2022 at 7:58 am

    So where else did that moron family cart that shell?  It was in a hotel, on various forms of transport; they tried to bring it aboard a jetliner.

  6. 6.

    Elizabelle

    May 2, 2022 at 8:00 am

    And:  Happy Eid!  I like the Al Jazeera panel; all those good ways of celebrating.  New clothes, sweet treats, a family dinner.  Happy to learn of the traditions.

  7. 7.

    WereBear

    May 2, 2022 at 8:08 am

    @NotMax: How appropriate for today’s Republicans.

    “Guys! Guys! I got a bombshell. No, really!”

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    May 2, 2022 at 8:09 am

    Good Morning, Everyone???

  9. 9.

    Jeffro

    May 2, 2022 at 8:09 am

    Well hey lookee here: even a majority of Republicans feel that parents have enough (or too much!) say in their kids’ schools and classrooms.

    For all of the time and energy spent discussing these subjects, though, and for all of the intonations from elected officials about how they’re responding to the concerns of parents in their districts or states, new polling conducted by Ipsos for NPR reveals something interesting.

    Most parents think that their children’s schools are teaching what they should be.

     

    Later in the article, the writer just about gets it:

    In other words, to what extent is the national conversation influencing views about how sexuality is being taught? Are Republicans more likely to say that they are worried about how it’s being taught because of what they see in their children’s curriculums or because of what they’re hearing in conservative media? When race was triggering outcry last fall, a common claim was that it was sparked not by Fox News coverage but by parents seeing what children were learning during pandemic-related at-home instruction. Now, however, they seem not to be terribly worried about it.

    Come on…it’s a minority of a minority, egged into insanity by whatever the Fear Message of The Week is from Fox.

  10. 10.

    Steeplejack

    May 2, 2022 at 8:14 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning! ?

  11. 11.

    Kay

    May 2, 2022 at 8:22 am

    @Jeffro:

    Public schools are primarily local, as a governance structure, which the “anti woke” crowd never understood. They generally reflect where they are located and the people who live in the district. So if you’re in a district where a lot of the teachers are young and it’s an urban, diverse district, it will be less conservative than a rural district in a red state.

    They were never able to quanify how many districts were “woke” because they never bothered to look. It would have been a huge job. There’s more than 10,000 districts in the US. So they cherry picked and extrapolated the most liberal districts out to “national”, which is wrong. It’s incorrect. It’s lazy.

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    montanareddog

    May 2, 2022 at 8:23 am

    I was behind a group of 4 Somali ladies at the supermarket checkout yesterday. Their cart was full of just flour, oil, granular sugar and icing sugar. I guess they had a long session of preparing for Eid sweets ahead of them.

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    WereBear

    May 2, 2022 at 8:27 am

    @montanareddog: I lost my taste for such celebrations as I grew up and observed how much expectation was placed on women for so much of the joy.

    While they were in the kitchen almost the whole day.

    Early feminist, right there :)

  14. 14.

    prostratedragon

    May 2, 2022 at 8:28 am

    The sound remains: Mr. Peck and his flute alone

    Blessed Eid.

  15. 15.

    NotMax

    May 2, 2022 at 8:37 am

    Anyone have experience with Cricket or with Mint as your cell phone provider?

    Asking for a friend (really).

  16. 16.

    Soprano2

    May 2, 2022 at 8:41 am

    @Kay: I think they mostly get their examples from young, liberal teachers who take jobs in more rural, conservative districts. We have a case here, in Greenfield, MO, of a teacher who wasn’t offered a contract because of a worksheet she sent home with kids about the book “Dear Martin”. She was OK teaching the book, but when she used a worksheet asking the kids to rank how racially privileged they were, that’s when she got in trouble (because evidently you aren’t supposed to make kids in a white, rural community where they’re all basically the same aware that things are different in other places). I say, good luck finding another English teacher after you did this, Greenfield. Turns out, it was someone who didn’t even have a kid in the class who initially complained.

  17. 17.

    Soprano2

    May 2, 2022 at 8:46 am

    @WereBear: To this day I refuse to be one of the “helpers” when we have events here at work like dinners or picnics. The vast majority of employees here are men, but when we have an event almost all of the servers are women. It’s gross. I’ve talked to the boss about it, but nothing changes. All the women volunteer because they know that’s what they’re expected to do. The men cook, that’s pretty much it.

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    May 2, 2022 at 8:50 am

    @WereBear: As a son, I picked up the tradition of making a poteca every xmas even tho I don’t celebrate it. I started while Ma was still alive so she could tell me everything I was doing wrong and kept at it after she died. 16 years she’s been gone. Kinda hard to believe.

    It’s an all day job but my sons appreciate it. So does my wife, for that matter.

  19. 19.

    Jeffro

    May 2, 2022 at 8:51 am

    @Kay:There’s more than 10,000 districts in the US. So they cherry picked and extrapolated the most liberal districts out to “national”, which is wrong. It’s incorrect. It’s lazy.

    The snooze media would do the nation a HUGE service by pointing out that given both the nature of Fox News (all outrage, all the time) and social media (same), Americans should always keep in mind:

    • someone, somewhere is doing something that will outrage you…but that doesn’t make it a ‘trend’
    • Fox/FB live to find such things, and dangle them in front of you for profit
  20. 20.

    debbie

    May 2, 2022 at 9:06 am

    Sorry, this still cracks me up:

    Congrats to J.D. Mandel,. whoever he is.— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) May 2, 2022

  21. 21.

    Sure Lurkalot

    May 2, 2022 at 9:36 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s nice to keep up your mom’s tradition and hope your pass it down to your sons. I had to look up poteca and it looks like a cake my granny made, delish.

  22. 22.

    Ken

    May 2, 2022 at 9:37 am

    @debbie: Pity this happened now instead of a few months ago, when there might have been time to find someone named J.D. Mandel and recruit them to run.

  23. 23.

    debbie

    May 2, 2022 at 9:42 am

    @Ken:

    There was a Twitter account last night, but it’s already been suspended.

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    May 2, 2022 at 9:55 am

    @Sure Lurkalot: My Minnesota Sis makes one every year too. But she’s in MN, so if I want one I gotta make it. My older brother came over one year to watch but I think he decided it was too much work. AFAIK, neither Little Bro or Little SIs make one. Little Bro has an excuse tho: He and his wife are professionals and doubtless feel like 5/6 days a week in the kitchen are more than enough. We’ll see if the boys pick it up.

  25. 25.

    Kay

    May 2, 2022 at 10:01 am

    @Jeffro:

    It’s the “Libs of Tik Tok” approach. Find the examples of Americas 3.5 million teachers that fit your “woke” thesis and present them as evidence that The Woke has captured the educational system.

    Why can’t a predominently AA district use a math text with short bios of AA scientists on a page? Every school must be exactly like the most conservative public school or the anti woke police force will pull you over and issue a citation? Why is it any of Bari Weiss’ business what an AA public school district in Tampa does? She thinks the elected school board and school employees can’t run the school? She’ll be directing all “cultural norms” for the United States, down to choice of textbooks?

    This is about control. It is about who gets to say what “the culture” is and who doesn’t. What if we just let the people who live in these places and use the schools decide what’s acceptable? They’ll figure it out.

  26. 26.

    Jerzy Russian

    May 2, 2022 at 10:12 am

    @Ken:   The  “J.D.” refers to a law degree.    There, I ran rings around you logically!

  27. 27.

    Kay

    May 2, 2022 at 10:13 am

    @Jeffro:

    It just isn’t that hard to find examples of overtly conservative school districts or teachers. My own district, for example. If we’re going to do this dumb “cultural analysis of the United States” that is not evidence of anything I insist we also cherry pick some Right wing public schools.

    My kids all had a 7th grade math teacher who was a full-on, loud and proud Right wing religious nut. I think I’ll extrapolate that to 3.5 million teachers in 50 states.

  28. 28.

    Kay

    May 2, 2022 at 10:24 am

    @Jeffro:

    Here’s one the anti-wokes (belatedly) admitting they don’t ACTUALLY have the info to back up their claims of the Woke Revolution, because to ACTUALLY find out is hard and would involve a lot of work:

    This is a little hard to quantify, but you see it in some places that are scaling back the use of standardized tests, scaling back tracking. It’s exaggerated by the Right to a huge degree, but there are places where — they’re not really teaching “critical race theory,” but they’re teaching historical interpretations that are aligned with certain left-wing challenges to liberalism. That’s happening a lot in elite private schools, but probably a little in public schools too.

    What he means by “hard to quantify” is “it would take a real, in depth survey of 10,000 school districts to do it right, which none of us were willing to do because we’re essayists and pundits, so we just announced the Woke Takeover had happened and was a dire threat”

    Is it any wonder the Right grabbed this and ran with it and created a full on panic? “Centrists” couldn’t have set it up better for them if they had tried. It has no beginning and end. There’s no numbers in it. It’s “hard to quantify”. A story that was too good to check, in other words.

  29. 29.

    Kay

    May 2, 2022 at 10:31 am

    @Jeffro:

    Believing that “intelligence” or “aptitude” should be primarily measured by standardized tests is the federal education policy since 2001. It is as traditional and mainstream as it gets. George W Bush believed it and so did Obama. But rather than just say ” I prefer the NCLB approach to public schools where tests are the only factor”- a completely unremarkable position- they have to portray themselves as contrarians battling a woke mob.

    They want Jeb Bush’s approach to public education. Why not just say that? It’s defensible. There’s a huge group of conservatives who defend it regularly, not by cherry picking Tik Toks but on the merits.

  30. 30.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    May 2, 2022 at 10:54 am

    @Kay: A story that was too good to check, in other words.

    When you have a good narrative, why bother testing your thesis? “I’m a writer, not a scientist.”

  31. 31.

    Jeffro

    May 2, 2022 at 10:56 am

    @Kay:It has no beginning and end. There’s no numbers in it. It’s “hard to quantify”.

    In fairness, Kay, the right does much better with vague and undefined terms where people can project whatever they want onto them.

    “What do you mean by _____” ? should be a standard Dem response to most anything and everything the RWNJs throw out there.  Make them spell it out.  They will, as you often note, sound just like the standard-issue conservatives that they are.

  32. 32.

    Soprano2

    May 2, 2022 at 11:40 am

    @Kay: My Lord, did you read that whole interview? “Expand charter schools, because they work” with no acknowledgement that many of the for-profit charters are nothing more than scams. “Do what Michelle Rhee did in D.C. because it worked”. Then he says this:

    I can’t really point to evidence that says that would work, but I don’t think it’s really been tried at scale.

    So, absolutely no evidence that what he proposes would work, but we should try it anyway just because he thinks it’s a good idea! Lots of crap like that in the article, the way he “feels” about things is paramount all over the article. We have to “run over teacher’s unions”, which in his mind are just as bad as police unions for standing in the way of “progress” (probably because they wanted to make sure they wouldn’t die when they went back to the classroom, how dare they want that!). It’s stunning to me that this man is considered an expert on education.

  33. 33.

    StringOnAStick

    May 2, 2022 at 12:47 pm

    @Soprano2:  I had a discussion about her employer the charter school with a soon to retire teacher back when the idea was new and it seemed to be where concerned, involved parents were sending their kids so they were getting higher achievement scores. I said “maybe kids are doing better in your school because it selects for kids with really involved parents?” She first thanked me and told me that was the main reason why she was done with teaching, plus the onerous requirements to get a 10% improvement in scores every year or else teachers didn’t get their “bonus” and without that bonus it was shit pay compared to the regular schools. This was when the idea of charters and performance based pay was new; she originally fell for the idea and had become completely disillusioned by the actual experience, and could see with crystal clarity exactly where this was headed.

    She just wanted to do what was best for kids and the promoters of charters had not yet proved to be what we now know they are. At that time all the suburban parents in our area were trying g to get their kids into the charter school because they all thought it was better. Maybe initially it was, which smart privatizers knew had to be true at the beginning of they were going to have a chance at pulling it off. Now there’s too many stories of grift and crappy charter schools to stick to that assumption unless there’s a political component that goes with it.

  34. 34.

    Soprano2

    May 2, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @StringOnAStick: That’s interesting. I doubt Chait has ever talked to anyone like your teacher friend. He actually says we need a lot more charters for the poor kids because they’re the best way to fix urban education. These people never think that in the beginning it’s the most involved parents who opt for things like charters and magnet schools, and that as you expand them more and more they become just like the crappy public schools you want to abandon – because being a school where teachers are paid less and can’t unionize isn’t the solution to problems with education. I heard a “This American Life” series once about reform efforts in Chicago schools. One person who was interviewed said they give them money for programs that actually work, but once they start working the money goes away, and somehow they’re supposed to continue the effective program without the money! Said it was the cycle, over and over again. People want to believe it’s anything other than spending money on stuff that works, because the stuff that works is expensive and takes a lot of time and effort. Just throwing money at people who want to make a profit off education – that’s easy, so that’s what lazy “reformers” promote

    I’m also offended by his assumption that teacher’s unions are everything that’s wrong with public education, because those teachers don’t care about kids at all, so if we just got rid of them magically all the teachers would care about the kids and everything would be fixed. It’s a dumb, insulting assumption that’s not true.

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