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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Glibertarian Chewtoy Open Thread: McArgleBargle vs Roe v Wade

Glibertarian Chewtoy Open Thread: McArgleBargle vs Roe v Wade

by Anne Laurie|  May 20, 20228:54 pm| 74 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

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Look, if a major social issue doesn’t directly impact McMegan — or if she can’t see it impacting her, in the next six months or so — why should anyone care about stuff like ‘but people will die’?  It’s just another inning of inside baseball, amirite?

Ah yes, the old "just move to a blue state" argument. Until the nationwide ban *already being threatened* rolls out, and then I guess it'll be "just move to a place with nicer jails." https://t.co/TCiX7HrHJP

— Roy Edroso (@edroso) May 20, 2022

Few people on Earth as unserious as libertarians. https://t.co/Qb0F9RnKfs

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) May 20, 2022

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  1. 1.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:09 pm

    “Personal responsibility” according to Republicans: You are personally responsible to address the consequences of whatever shitty action someone with any modicum of power over you takes. It is out of bounds, however, to act against those with power; especially those with power on my side.

  2. 2.

    Timill

    May 20, 2022 at 5:13 pm

    OT: getting a certificate error on accessing pages here

  3. 3.

    lollipopguild

    May 20, 2022 at 5:13 pm

    Freedom for me rules and pain for thee. Also known as “Heads I win, Tails I win”

  4. 4.

    Ann Marie

    May 20, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    I got a scare message about how this site is not secure and I should not open it. Obviously I went ahead and opened! I’m on a Mac using Firefox.

  5. 5.

    Suzanne

    May 20, 2022 at 5:16 pm

    Matt Schlapp gave the game away earlier in the week: they want white women to have more babies for the state in order to slow down the Great Replacement, and they will make that happen via force if necessary.

  6. 6.

    debbie

    May 20, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    They ain’t screwing around in Michigan:

    https://twitter.com/senpolehanki/status/1526910745207709696?s=21&t=j7IuRpwwU8pZBpHrieigTw

  7. 7.

    alang

    May 20, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    Fixed. Darn ‘letsencrypt’ anyway.

  8. 8.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    ‘@Suzanne
    Women, please take a number and present yourself to your designated procreation chamber. Your assigned breeding partner will be with you whenever he feels like it.

  9. 9.

    alang

    May 20, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    I’ve fixed that. Mumble. So many things to deal with.

  10. 10.

    Suzanne

    May 20, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    ‘@Kropacetic
    It’s amazing to me how this is happening in large part because low-status men are having a hard time.

  11. 11.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    As a low-status man myself, those buttercups need to suck it up.

  12. 12.

    debbie

    May 20, 2022 at 5:31 pm

    Raskin’s on fire too:

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1527446986256855041?s=21&t=j7IuRpwwU8pZBpHrieigTw

  13. 13.

    Suzanne

    May 20, 2022 at 5:31 pm

    ‘@Kropacetic
    I mean, low-status men could work on themselves. Interesting, smart, funny, good-looking people still get laid, married, employed.

  14. 14.

    Villago Delenda Est

    May 20, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    Libertarians are just total fuckheads who understand precisely zero about human behavior.

  15. 15.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    You’re not talking about me, are you… :: Blush ::

  16. 16.

    Villago Delenda Est

    May 20, 2022 at 5:36 pm

    And as for Schlapp, he needs to be sent to the 12th Century via Obama’s time machine where he’d be so much happier.

  17. 17.

    Almost Retired

    May 20, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    But…but…but I thought Blue States were tax-addicted, gun-snatching, hyper-regulated hell holes, where Critical Race Theory is taught to toddlers by Drag Queens? Libertarians are supposed to move there?

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    May 20, 2022 at 5:41 pm

    ‘@Timill

    That should be fixed now. We had to renew the domain but we just did that, so all is good now if you refresh. If you’re not good, please let me know.

  19. 19.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:41 pm

    ‘@Almost Retired
    You vote your dollars with the market you have, not the market you might want or wish to have in the future…

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    May 20, 2022 at 5:48 pm

    ‘@debbie

    Loved what Raskin saidt. So simple, but full of truth.

  21. 21.

    M4

    May 20, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    Christ, what an asshole

  22. 22.

    Suzanne

    May 20, 2022 at 5:50 pm

    ‘@Kropacetic
    Like, I am unattractive and have a terrible personality and I manage to scrape it together every morning. I really don’t understand why these dudes who look like piles of mashed potatoes with terrible facial hair and spend the weekend drunk should have more social or political influence than I do.

  23. 23.

    Patricia Kayden

    May 20, 2022 at 5:52 pm

    Wow. Finally getting to read Balloon Juice. Hope things get back to normal real soon!!

  24. 24.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    ‘@Suzanne
    Those men are be-penised. At least a little…

  25. 25.

    JPL

    May 20, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    ‘@Debbie, I still remember when a candidate for local office praised her to a constituent. Even though city politics is nonpartisan, I dropped out. Not doing that again.
    MTG is now calling for only hard work americans deserve formula. Her district has those who receive supplemental formula from the WIC program.

  26. 26.

    JPL

    May 20, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    MTG originally planned in my district, and since the repubs knew she would lose, gave her a safe battleground north of me.

  27. 27.

    eclare

    May 20, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    How do you reply to comments here?

  28. 28.

    Wag

    May 20, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    Libertarians are all assholes who assume everyone is as amoral as they are, and who don’t want to share their pitiful earnings with anyone who doesn’t meet their color standards.

  29. 29.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    ‘@eclare
    You can reply using words. An @ symbol and the username may provide some additional clarification as far as whom you’re responding to.
    Glad to be of service.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    May 20, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    ‘@eclare

    reply was not included in this wordpress theme.

    I just type @theperson’snym and then type my comment. I warned you guys that this home away from home site would be rudimentary. :-)

  31. 31.

    eclare

    May 20, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    ‘@Suzanne: QFT

  32. 32.

    JPL

    May 20, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    ‘@eclare, The old fashion way. We were spoiled.

    btw I miss my GA peeps.

  33. 33.

    CaseyL

    May 20, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    Libertarianism is an 8-year old boy’s revenge fantasy for all the stuff his parents won’t let him do. That adults are libertarians boggles my mind; that **women** are libertarians goes beyond mind-bogging; it’s like chickens advocating for Colonel Sanders.

  34. 34.

    Scout211

    May 20, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    ‘@alang, @WaterGirl,

    Thank you so much for responding so quickly to that security glitch and fixing it within minutes.

    Holding this “home away from home” together with baling wire, string and paper clips is hard work! We all appreciate it. Very much.

  35. 35.

    JPL

    May 20, 2022 at 6:04 pm

    I sent an email to Suburu Diane so maybe she’ll join us

  36. 36.

    JWR

    May 20, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    ‘@eclare: I don’t think you can do that. Others have copy/pasted a user’s name and created a poor man’s blockquote using quote marks. But others will know more than me.

  37. 37.

    Anne Laurie

    May 20, 2022 at 6:16 pm

    @CaseyL: that **women** are libertarians goes beyond mind-bogging; it’s like chickens advocating for Colonel Sanders.

    Libertarian women are taking advantage of a ‘scarcity premium’. Since there are so few women and so many (desperately horny) men at any given libertarian gathering, it’s easy for a woman who feels overlooked / underappreciated in other circles to become a Queen Bee.

    I first noticed this when I was still in college, *many* years ago. Lots of self-proclaimed libertarian woman will admit — gleefully — that they’re taking advantage of their rarity status. Don’t know if McArdle has ever had the self-awareness to do that… *but* she got her start in the blogging community by being the Only Chick in the Room when Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, Dave Weigel et al were ‘the blog squad’.

  38. 38.

    FelonyGovt

    May 20, 2022 at 6:18 pm

    This article: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/roe-dobbs-abortion-ban-reproductive-medicine-alabama.html describes how OB-GYNs are already circumscribed from providing care to patients suffering miscarriages in Alabama. Just like Kay has been warning us.

  39. 39.

    different-church-lady

    May 20, 2022 at 6:20 pm

    Missed you.

  40. 40.

    Spanky

    May 20, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    Is McArgleblargle really a Libertarian? I thought she was just a plain vanilla idiot.

  41. 41.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    Vanilla idiot is the libertarian brand.

  42. 42.

    HeleninEire

    May 20, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    Just discovered we are back(ish). Wow this has been a long blackout.

    Anyway…sitting at JFK headed to Dublin for a week. WOO HOO!!!

  43. 43.

    Steeplejack

    May 20, 2022 at 6:40 pm

    ‘@Suzanne:

    Like, I am unattractive and have a terrible personality and I manage to scrape it together every morning.

    You’re likable enough, Suzanne.

  44. 44.

    Sure Lurkalot

    May 20, 2022 at 6:40 pm

    ArgBarg’s comment about the Roe decision leading to the focus on “seizing the courts” is especially egregious considering that Bony Carrot had only one qualification that got her confirmed. She is completely devoid of any fitness or experience for the appointment and yet there she will sit for 30 or 40 years.

  45. 45.

    Steeplejack

    May 20, 2022 at 6:41 pm

    So we’re not doing HTML, I guess.

  46. 46.

    Soprano2

    May 20, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    So glad for this site! Libertarians think we don’t need rules because doesn’t everyone know what is the right thing to do? Ask them how we’re going to maintain streets without taxes – they have no idea or stupid ideas.

  47. 47.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    “Ask them how we’re going to maintain streets without taxes – they have no idea or stupid ideas.”
    Like making every road a toll road? What happens with a land dispute between road owners?

  48. 48.

    geg6

    May 20, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    Gotta say, this bare bones format is taking me back.

  49. 49.

    Suzanne

    May 20, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    ‘@Steeplejack
    I have to say that I cringed so hard when he said that. I related, a lot.
    Also when HRC said she reminded men of their ex-wives. It’s a vibe.

    Unlike a lot of men, tho, I never considered my dry spells to be a matter of political importance.

  50. 50.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 7:00 pm

    “Unlike a lot of men, tho, I never considered my dry spells to be a matter of political importance.”
    Clearly, you need to connect with a community of people who identify first with their inability to get laid to set you straight on that score.

  51. 51.

    HumboldtBlue

    May 20, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    Nice to see you all again.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    May 20, 2022 at 7:14 pm

    ‘@HeleninEire

    Have a great trip! Subaru Diane forwarded a screen cap of your facebook post earlier this week where you speculated that I had written the blurb on the splash page. Of course I did! Anyway, your made me laugh.

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    May 20, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    ‘@geg6

    You have no idea how hard it is to find a WordPress theme that includes a sidebar and isn’t just a screen filled with a hundred different rectangles.

    After a couple hours of going through one bad theme after another last night, this seemed like the least bad. But of course it’s so old that it didn’t know about a lot of things. Strikeout isn’t even an option when creating the post itself.

    Hopefully Balloon Juice will be back up before I’m tempted to go searching for a better theme.

  54. 54.

    HeleninEire

    May 20, 2022 at 7:20 pm

    ‘@Watergirl. LOL of course you did! . Thanks I am very excited to get back.

  55. 55.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 20, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    ‘@Steeplejack, if plain ASCII was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for us.

  56. 56.

    Steeplejack

    May 20, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    ‘@Gin & Tonic:

    Touché. “ASCII”: Aramaic Standard Code for Information Interchange.

  57. 57.

    persistentillusion

    May 20, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    Scout211 May 20, 2022 at 6:03 PM
    @alang, @WaterGirl,

    Thank you so much for responding so quickly to that security glitch and fixing it within minutes.

    Holding this “home away from home” together with baling wire, string and paper clips is hard work! We all appreciate it. Very much.

    So grateful for y’all. And I mean that not only to the tech-literate people here, but also to the Luddites amongst whom I call myself a member.

  58. 58.

    debbie

    May 20, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    ‘@Steeplejack:

    I had no idea what the actual abbreviation was. My favorite is still TWAIN (Technology Without an Important Name).

  59. 59.

    RaflW

    May 20, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    WaterGirl @7:18 PM:

    I’m so thankful for this site! I was getting a bit cracked in the head (more than usual?) from too much twitter and not enough of this here top-10,000 blog chitchat.

    It is throwback! I wanted to edit a comment on an earlier thread. Hahah. I need to up my copy editing game (who am I kidding?).

  60. 60.

    Soprano2

    May 20, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    ‘@ Kropacetic Sure, make all the residential streets toll roads. That would probably be their response, though.

  61. 61.

    Spanky

    May 20, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    ‘@Steeplejack:
    EBCDIC: Early Biblical Code Done In Chaldean

  62. 62.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    I was friends with a self-professed libertarian (actual authoritarian) for years. This was certainly *his* answer.

  63. 63.

    Steeplejack

    May 20, 2022 at 7:57 pm

    ‘@debbie:

    It’s actually American Standard Code for Information Interchange, if the joke wasn’t obvious.

  64. 64.

    Steeplejack

    May 20, 2022 at 7:59 pm

    ‘@Spanky:

  65. 65.

    Tony Jay

    May 20, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    ‘@Kropacetic

    My introduction to Libertarian ‘thought’ was an alternate history novel (‘Moon of Ice’, maybe) where the postwar USA had so little Government that the solution to New York City’s non-maintained and cratered street surface was, obviously, bigger and tougher tyres for those who could afford them.

    Everyone else? Walk. It’s a free country.

    Funnily enough I didn’t find the sales pitch that convincing, but I guess 13 is too old to get really sucked into that brand of woo-hoo.

  66. 66.

    debbie

    May 20, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    ‘@Steeplejack

    It clearly wasn’t.

  67. 67.

    Anne Laurie

    May 20, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    @Tony Jay: the solution to New York City’s non-maintained and cratered street surface was, obviously, bigger and tougher tyres for those who could afford them.

    No lie: The worst-maintained public roads I’ve encountered here in the area around Boston were in the town with the second highest average income (Belmont, for locals — Mitt Romney’s MA home!)

    When I expressed surprise, the people who knew most about Belmont explained that the voting residents who didn’t have Range Rovers had *very* expensive SUVs, so they didn’t care about the potholes.

  68. 68.

    Kropacetic

    May 20, 2022 at 8:16 pm

    ‘@AnneLaurie
    On one of my rare trips north of Boston, I was astonished to learn that Chelsea mostly didn’t have traffic lights, especially in some places where they were desperately needed. Just stop signs, stop signs everywhere.
    There was one spot where they had one but they must not have liked the result, because it was programmed to behave like a stop sign.

  69. 69.

    ronno2018

    May 20, 2022 at 10:07 pm

    good recent podcast — https://crooked.com/podcast/whats-next-in-a-post-roe-world/

    I just cannot believe the stupidity of overturning Roe. So bad.

  70. 70.

    Madeleine

    May 20, 2022 at 10:59 pm

    ‘@Tony Jay @ Anne Laurie: about fictional NYC streets not maintained— I live near a couple very expensive NYC neighborhoods in the Bronx and they have trulu awful streets. My theory is that they keep the riffraff out. Even taking a walk is difficult. It kinda works—I don’t walk in those neighborhoods often. Being riffraff.

  71. 71.

    Dopey-o

    May 21, 2022 at 4:00 am

    ‘@Suzanne Like many incels, i am a dull and uninteresting man. Never had a problem with female companionship, tho.
    My super power? I like wimmenz. Seems they can’t resist that.

  72. 72.

    Jinchi

    May 21, 2022 at 11:11 am

    ‘@Tony Jay

    “Everyone else? Walk. It’s a free country.”

    Was the future in that story sold as a Utopia?

  73. 73.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 22, 2022 at 5:04 am

    ‘@Suzanne:
    “Matt Schlapp gave the game away earlier in the week: they want white women to have more babies for the state in order to slow down the Great Replacement, and they will make that happen via force if necessary.”

    But…but they told me that abortion was genocide being committed on *black people*!

  74. 74.

    Boussinesque

    May 22, 2022 at 5:41 am

    So glad to see this place up and running as a temporary home—was starting to suffer from lurking withdrawal.
    As far as Libertarians go, I always thought that John Rogers quote summed it up so perfectly there wasn’t much else to add.

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