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  1. 1.

    Baud

    I missed your morning posts, AL.

    Ice Cream gate, coming to a 24 hour news channel in 3…2…1…

  2. 2.

    JPL

    I’m so glad that you are back Anne. It was a long, long week. The local news mentioned the formula shipment, but said it was not enough.
    This is why we can’t have nice things.

  3. 3.

    NotMax

    Thing I learned last week.

    Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, insert immediately into the bulging useless trivia file.

    The spendthrift brother of the Sultan of Brunei owns a ultra-luxury yacht he chose to name Tits.

  6. 6.

    Kay

    “kalakal May 23, 2022 at 7:50 AM
    It’s safe to say that Murdoch’s merry menials in Oz are not taking the election result well”

    Ugh. “Woke identity politics”. Such a bore. Haven’t they beaten “woke” to death at this point? How long can this grift last where ranting about “wokeness” counts as some kind of analysis?
    They’ve successfully beaten back the existential threat posed by overly earnest 20 year old undergrads. Isn’t it time they moved on?

  7. 7.

    Soprano2

    ‘@JPL – That’s what drives me crazy about so much of the press. They holler “Take action on this crisis, what are you doing”? Then, when you do several things, they holler “But it’s not enough!!!” without any suggestion of what they think would be enough! Like inflation – I wish every reporter would ask every Republican who blames Biden for inflation what their plan to fight inflation is. They don’t have one, tell people that!

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    What’s up with the One China policy confusion?

    “During a joint news conference with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida in Tokyo, Biden was asked if the US would be willing to go further to help Taiwan in the event of an invasion than it did with Ukraine.

    “You didn’t want to get involved in the Ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan if it comes to that?” a reporter asked.

    “Yes,” Biden replied. “That’s the commitment we made.”

    “We agree with the One China policy. We signed on to it, and all the attendant agreements made from there, but the idea that it can be taken by force, just taken by force, is (just not) appropriate,” he said.”

    Maybe he misunderstood the question. White House officials are walking it back, according to CNN.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/biden-taiwan-china-japan-intl-hnk/index.html

  9. 9.

    Matt McIrvin

    I’m sure they can find some way that undocumented immigrants are causing inflation.

  10. 10.

    JPL

    ‘@Soprano2, I wish the media would ask Jared about the 2 billion from Saudi.
    The media is now busy talking about Stacey Abrams latest gaffe.

  11. 11.

    JPL

    Biden mentioned the possibility of lifting the trump tariffs on China. They would lower inflation, but be prepared for the maga’s to explode if that happens.

  12. 12.

    Kay

    Soprano2 May 23, 2022 at 8:23 AM

    It’s a real gift to Abbott. They managed to make the failure of that company’s management into a failure of Joe Biden.
    Good job, everyone! Pass that accountability along to the person least responsible for it!
    Abbott must be wondering how the fuck they managed to pull this PR coup off, where literally everyone is blamed except the company that makes baby formula. They could not have paid for better coverage. Insanity.

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/23/we-had-too-much-to-do-to-be-scared-the-couple-who-fled-irpin-with-19-dogs

    “The image of a windswept young woman holding tight to the leads of nine dogs under an ominously dark sky spread far and wide at the time of the Battle of Kyiv.

    The apparent bravery of the woman, who was attempting an audacious evacuation across a broken bridge targeted by Russian fire, and the vulnerability of the animals, some of whom were strapped into dog wheelchairs, epitomised to many the cruelty of the war being waged by Vladimir Putin and the dignity of the Ukrainian response.

    The full story of the trials of Anastasiya Tykha, 20, a veterinary student in the final year of her degree, and her husband Arthur Lee, 26, is perhaps even more striking than the photograph, which the couple discovered had gone viral when Tykha saw herself on the television news and listened to the presenter report that she was dead.

    Speaking in Irpin, the town 13 miles north of Kyiv from where the couple had fled on 9 March, Tykha said they ended up making seven crossings of the bridge in total, each one under fire.

    “We had too much to do to be worried or scared”, said Tykha, who has run an animal shelter in Irpin for four years, and who on that first journey was seeking to escape with 19 dogs, five cats, a turtle, a chameleon, two Triton lizards, an axolotl and a hamster.”

    An axolotl… Of all the animals one might keep as a pet, that one never would have occurred to me

  14. 14.

    Soprano2

    ‘@ JPL; The press seems to have pretty much forgotten about Jared and Ivanka and Don Jr. and Eric, haven’t they? All the outrage about Hunter Biden profiting from his dad’s name is a lie, because they sure aren’t too outraged about Trump’s kids making billions of dollars off Daddy’s name.

  15. 15.

    Gin & Tonic

    ‘@OzarkHillbilly – I confuse axolotls and atlatls, but they are very different things.

  16. 16.

    Soprano2

    ‘@ Kay; Yep, Abbot’s extreme negligence (two babies died!!!!) was only a footnote to the coverage of “Why isn’t Biden DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HORRENDOUS PROBLEM WE JUST DISCOVERED THE OTHER DAY!”. You’re right, Abbot couldn’t have hoped for better coverage from the press. This is an issue that didn’t have to be political, but of course they couldn’t resist making it political. They could have gone with “Abbot Labs’ negligence, which killed 2 infants and sickened several others, is the primary cause of the current baby formula shortage in America”, and then told that story, without any reference to politics at all. It’s a compelling story! – the big bad company killed babies because they’d rather spend $6 million giving their shareholders stock buybacks than fix their filthy plant – but they decided they’d rather go with “Biden administration finally addresses baby formula shortage”.

  20. 20.

    Kay

    Yep, Abbot’s extreme negligence (two babies died!!!!) was only a footnote to the coverage of “Why isn’t Biden DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HORRENDOUS PROBLEM WE JUST DISCOVERED THE OTHER DAY!”.

    They successfully lobbied government to limit competition and then couldn’t even supply the protected market they created. They didn’t have the capacity to absorb a single plant shutting down. One plant shuts down, the whole system fails. 100% private sector failure.

    And all of media have decided this is solely the responsibility of Joe Biden, letting the BABY FORMULA COMPANY completely off the hook.

    I guess they’re too big to fail. The response should be another baby formula supplier -one that can actually produce enough baby formula – is created by this market failure, but that won’t happen because we’ve all decided it’s up to the President to get baby formula on the shelves.

    Ridiculous. These people aren’t capitalists. They’re some weird new variant that exists solely to protect failed management at existing companies.

    I hope the European companies take a big chunk of their market share. They don’t deserve to keep it. They suck at their job, which is “producing enough baby formula to meet demand”. Not Joe Biden’s job. Their job.

  23. 23.

    JWR

    Re Operation Fly Formula. (Funny name, that.) But once upon a time, a co-worker and I went down to Los Alamitos for training on a new machine, when suddenly, one of those too big to believe Gigantoplanes flew low over us on a landing path to the Naval base down there, and I said to my co-worker, as we peered out the ceiling to floor windows, “There’s no way in Hell something that big can actually get off the ground!” And I still believe such a thing is unpossible.

    But one Gigantoplane full of fly formula is obviously too little. When is the next flight? (Which absolutely can NOT happen with something that big.)

  24. 24.

    Chief Oshkosh

    Soprano2 May 23, 2022 at 8:57 AM
    “Abbot Labs’ negligence, which killed 2 infants and sickened several others, is the primary cause of the current baby formula shortage in America”

    I guess Biden’s spokespeople and other Democrats should have been saying that the first time the story “broke,” possibly leaving out the “kill 2 infants and sickened others,” though I’d’ve left that in the story.

    I’m sure someone will come along and tell me why that would be such a bad idea.

    Similarly, Democrats could point out that this is a failure of unfettered capitalism, when the free market is actually not free but rather dominated by one company.

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    ‘@ WaterGirl’s tweet:

    At first it just showed up as text, and then when I returned, it was an embedded tweet. Small favors!

  26. 26.

    WaterGirl

    ‘@Betty Cracker

    I wonder if this is like Biden’s line about Putin at the end of the big speech he made a few months ago. They walked it back, but some bells can’t be un-rung. In that case I was certain that it wasn’t a gaffe, that it was part of the speech and Biden wanted that out there.

    I kind of wonder if this is the same thing. Perhaps as a warning to China?

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    ‘@Soprano2: great catch re the Columbia Journalism Review article on DougJ. With quotes from John Cole, and mentioning the blog. Wow.

  32. 32.

    sdhays

    ‘@Baud: No, no. It’s because Biden’s senile. Fox and Fiends would never lie about that!

  33. 33.

    WaterGirl

    ‘@Soprano2

    I knew the article was coming, but I hadn’t seen it yet, so thanks for the link!

    it will be front-paged for all to see!

  34. 34.

    WaterGirl

    ‘@Baud

    Good! Glad to hear that Biden has said it before. That Biden is pretty cagey, in a good way! :-)

  35. 35.

    Betty Cracker

    ‘@WaterGirl: I had a similar thought about the speech in Poland. I don’t know if making that remark deliberately now is wise, but there’s a good chance it was on purpose.

  36. 36.

    Ninedragonspot

    ‘@WaterGirl I think this is the correct take.

    Also note that the US’. One China Policy is not the same thing as China’s One China Principle.

    The exclusion of Taiwan from the new Indo-Pacific Economic Framework is pretty bad optics, though.

  38. 38.

    geg6

    ‘@Soprano 2

    Great article! And the Blog Father didn’t even give us a heads up about Doug’s and his own new found fame in the CJR!

  39. 39.

    SiubhanDuinne

    ‘@Soprano2: Thanks for that CJR link. I felt vicariously proud (“Hey! I know him!!”) reading it. Excellent piece. Congrats, DougJ!

  41. 41.

    Betty Cracker

    Why is Ivanka Trump pretending to give a shit about Ukrainian refugees? Personal image rehab in general or a signal that someone in her wretched family will stand for elected office soon?

  42. 42.

    Scout211

    ‘@Soprano2

    Thanks for the link. Great article.

    The link to the article is currently on the front page of memeorandum!

  43. 43.

    Benno

    There was an amazing ice cream delivery place here in Karachi. Best ice cream I’d had in ages. So many feelings to eat. But then last month they just stopped responding to messages/queries/etc. So many feeling still to eat…and so hot…

  44. 44.

    JWR

    ‘@Soprano2, @Elizabelle:

    From the CJR Dougj pitchbot story:

    Through the online donation platform ActBlue, he’s brought in more than $2.8
    million to date.

    Wow, that’s some serious moolah. Fun story, and glad it’s gonna be front paged!

  45. 45.

    JWR

    ‘@NotMax:

    Wow, that’s some serious aeroplane! But the fly formula plane, what sort of aircraft is that behemoth? (I used to think it was a C-130?)

  46. 46.

    Betty Cracker

    Glad DougJ is getting some well-deserved attention, but for the blog, the timing kinda sucks because of that stupid fucking data center. John ripped the shit out of them on Twitter, and good for him. It’s ridiculous.

  47. 47.

    JPL

    ‘@Soprano2, What a great article, and both Doug and John should be proud. I know I am.
    BTW .. Water Girl has done a terrific job raising money, and I imagine that she will pass Doug’s record.

  48. 48.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Betty, isnt’ her and the young and oh so supple when properly oiled Jared being shunned by even the rich? Likely she is trying to buy her soul back so she doesn’t end up with Steve Bannon as her only friend.

  49. 49.

    Soprano2

    It’s terrible timing for the blog, though. Just think of all those people who might be trying to find this fantastic blog, and then they get the message that it’s down right now. It was a great story, though.

  50. 50.

    Kay

    Baud May 23, 2022 at 9:32 AM

    I understand holding the President responsible for the economy although that’s also sort of facile, lazy bullshit, I’ll go along.
    But he’s now responsible for each and every failure by any US company?
    They’ve taken this out to a ludicrous level. I’m just not buying that Joe Biden is responsible for making baby formula. It’s not true.
    I saw a clip where Buttigieg patiently explained how things are supposed to work in a (supposedly) market economy and I wanted to hug him.
    If the 3 formula companies manipulated the market to protect their own share and then failed to meet demand, that’s on them. It’s not the FDA’s fault, it’s not Joe Biden’s fault, it’s their fault.
    But why should they improve? Media has bent over backwards to hold them harmless. So now they get a guaranteed US market share and they aren’t capable of or even much interested in supplying it. They did absolutely nothing to fix the problem they created and they have no incentive to ever fix it. They fuck up and another plant shuts down and we’re right where we were. We’re hostages.
    I look forward to Joe Biden’s “solution” to the next auto recall. My UPS parcel arrives late I expect CNN to demand Joe Biden deliver it to me personally.
    They’re ridiculous people and their coverage is ridiculous. It’s anti-truth. They exist to protect bad managers and bad management.
    One thing is for sure- no one will ever dare regulate another baby formula company. We can’t. They’ll punish us with shortages they created. My advice to parents is use German formula. US formula is now a crap shoot as far as safety because government has certainly learned their lesson. They shut a plant down because it’s not SAFE and all of media will blame government rather than the company. They could not have bought better coverage without purchasing a media company.
    Has Abbott fired a single person in management over this, or are their jobs as protected as the market they lobbied for? There’s no accountability at all.

  51. 51.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    I sense we are getting to the “there was no Trump admin” stage of the Media narrative like with Bush. Look forward to Very Serious Journalist asking why Biden didn’t do these air shipments with the Paper Towel shortage of 2020.

  53. 53.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    KAy, Abbot on firing people. Yes, he fired the head of the Texas National Guard Maj. Gen. Tracy Norris for how poorly managed his border stunt was. To no one surprise his scapegoat was a woman.

  54. 54.

    Elizabelle

    ‘@ Kay: Abbott’s CEO had an op ed in the WaPost yesterday. (Thanks, Jeff Bezos.). It starts out as an infomercial, of course. The WaPost reader commenters saw through the sham and savaged the guy and the company.

    Robert Ford: Abbott CEO: We’re sorry about the formula shortage. Here’s what we’re doing to fix it.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/21/abbott-ceo-robert-ford-formula-elevil/

    I would really guess they were forced into a lot of their remedial actions by the feds, but you’ll not hear much on that from Robert Ford.

    The most liked reader comment: “The company personally sat on making the necessary repairs to the factory and instead gave their board and CEOs huge bonuses. Cry me a river, you are just another person who puts profit before people or in this case, babies.”

    And: two other WaPost commenters, who are not as innumerate as too many of our fine journalists:

    “Setting up a $5 million fund, sounds like a joke when most CEO pay is many, many, many millions per year.”

    “They spent over $5 Billion on stock buy backs instead of on plant improvements. How much do you want to bet that the.prices will go up? And stay up?”

  55. 55.

    Kay

    Echoing concerns raised by the New Hampshire Attorney General’s Office that the measure could violate anti-discrimination laws, Gov. Chris Sununu said he plans to veto a controversial “parents’ bill of rights” backed by other top New Hampshire Republicans.

    “This bill as written creates numerous challenges for kids,” Sununu said in a statement issued Thursday. “I share the concerns of the Attorney General and as such, will veto the bill if it reaches my desk.”

    Despite the glowing NYTimes profiles of Christopher Rufo and the anti woke substack grifters all singing his praises, Rufo’s political win/loss record is decidedly mixed.
    They lose a lot of school board races which Sununu seems to have noticed.
    Maybe Andrew Sullivan and Bari Weiss aren’t the best barometer of the opinions of US public school parents after all. As it turns out they don’t hate public schools as much as elite opinion makers tell us they do.
    So there’s a shocker.

  56. 56.

    Mo MacArbie

    Mmm, scrambled eggs and Spam. Folks were talking about Spam “back home” a couple weeks ago, but it’s always been camping food to me. I don’t generally like it much, but out in the woods, fried up in some scrambled eggs on a Coleman stove, it’s just somehow better.

    And here we are, camped out at Jackal Action, roughing it. Spam and eggs, anyone?

  58. 58.

    Kay

    Kay: Abbott’s CEO had an op ed in the WaPost yesterday. (Thanks, Jeff Bezos.). It starts out as an infomercial, of course. The WaPost reader commenters saw through the sham and savaged the guy and the company”

    They should reimburse the government for the cost of the emergency formula program.
    Pay us back.
    It isn’t the job of the US military to deliver formula to cover the asses of these companies. They owe us whatever that cost.
    And stop protecting them. They failed. Open it up and offer European brands. They probably have tighter regulatory schemes for safety anyway and now we’re in a position where if a federal agency shuts one plant down that administration has a political disaster on their hands. The next President will be very reluctant to regulate, which is all to the benefit of these companies. They fucked up, they win. That’s what they learned. It shouldn’t work like this. It’s dangerous, like, actually dangerous to infants.
    They treat their US customers like garbage. They shouldn’t get the business. So there’s not going to be any accountability of any kind. They won’t even lose market share because idiot media has taken a private sector failure and made it a Joe Biden failure. US consumers are the chumps of this system. They pay the price, not just in the shortages, but in paying to alleviate the shortages. They’re billing us for their fuck up.

  59. 59.

    JPL

    ‘@Kay, it’s time to lift tariffs on baby formula and make it easier to import. I definitely agree with you that parents should be able to import German formula.
    Abbot lost their right to supply families with formula imo. They control 48 percent of the market.

    btw. Grand imp drinks Happy Organic baby formula, which is difficult to find. I managed to find some this morning at Target online so that gives the parents some room to breathe. Whole Foods carries it, but finding it is difficult.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    ‘@JPL

    Not to worry everything we raised in the past few years on Balloon Juice is included in that figure.

  62. 62.

    MaiNaem mobile

    I heard Pete Buttigieg’s response to the formula question. He’s just a really good communicator especially on this since he’s got two infants who are totally dependent on formula. He really needs to be Biden’s explainer in chief

  63. 63.

    Soprano2

    ‘@ Kay; What’s craziest about how the press approached the formula shortage story is that it fits a well-worn template – big bad company neglects factory, product kills and sickens babies while company uses money to buy back stock from investors rather than fix their factory, heroic government steps in to shut down factory that caused deaths of babies, and then moves heaven and earth to try to get enough formula until the factory can clean up its act. We tell that story all the time in programs on TV. So why did they neglect that template in favor of “Biden administration causes baby formula shortage, what’s he going to do about it?”, which is also just not true! It does make you think the press is all in on trying to hurt the Biden administration, doesn’t it?

  64. 64.

    Baud

    ‘@Soprano2

    Agree. If Bush or Trump had gotten military plans to fly in a bunch 9f formula, the media would be waiving the American flag and playing Lee Greenwood all the time.

  66. 66.

    YY_Sima Qian

    On the subject of the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework, here is a reality check from Scott Kennedy of CSIS:

    Bridging Differences with Friends on China
    https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/bridging-differences-friends-china

    The most damn section:
    “3. I have not met a single individual in the region who is enthusiastic about the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework (IPEF). The lack of any market access benefits has left many disappointed. Although there is an awareness of IPEF’s four pillars – trade facilitation, supply-chain resilience, infrastructure and decarbonization, and taxes and anti-corruption – interlocutors had a hard time explaining the components beyond vague generalities; they are unsure if it will ever come to fruition, and if so, whether it will be durable. No companies I interviewed in any of the three economies could identify a specific tangible benefit they could derive from the arrangement. This skepticism was often tinged with resentment because IPEF is viewed as in some ways a competitor to the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CP-TPP), an agreement the United States helped create but then abandoned, and which would have collapsed had Japan not stepped into the breach to provide critical leadership. Countries have grudgingly expressed a willingness to join IPEF, but most people I met said they are only doing so because they want to keep the United States involved in the region’s economic architecture in the hope that it comes back to CP-TPP once it is more politically feasible to do so. (In Taiwan, there was substantial disappointment among various circles that the island apparently was not going to be invited to join IPEF because such a step would be unacceptable to other potential members wary of alienating Beijing.)

    These differences are not about minor details; they are major points of contention that could potentially scupper the cooperation necessary among America and its allies to successfully prosecute strategic competition against China…”

    Van Jackson (former Obama DOD official) has been much more cutting in his Twitter comments on the IPEF specifically, & the Biden team’s Indo-Pacific foreign policy in general.

    Since the GWB administration, through Obama, Trump & now Biden, the US has been “competing” against China in the economic/trade sphere (in the Asia Pacific & the Global South) by trying to beat something w/ nothing. Unfortunately, the state of the US domestic politics precludes any discussion of opening market access in return for greater influence. The IPEF does not appear to offer any meaningful change. Meanwhile, China has worked w/ the ASEAN to complete the RCEP free trade agreement, which involves substantial market opening, & has applied to joint the CPTPP, which will entail even greater opening.

    OTOH, below is the type deft of diplomacy that could allow the US to gain ground against China in the Global South, if sustained & accumulated over time:

    ‘Quad’ security group plans system to track illegal fishing by China
    https://www.ft.com/content/4066cc72-119a-48e2-b55c-980c4e3f6c9a

    The massive Chinese fishing fleets intruding into other national’s Exclusive Economic Zones & depleting the local stock has been a source of significant tension between China & other maritime nations, w/ the victims generally in the Global South. In doing so, Chinese fishing fleets are following the footsteps of the Japanese, South Koreans & Taiwanese fleets (them taking advantage of the anarchy in Somalia since the 90s to run wild in its EEZ helped precipitate the piracy problem), but China being so much larger & hands out so much more state subsidies, its negative effects has been so much greater. Such kind of pressure might actually embarrass China into changing policy, & is less likely to contribute to the death spiral of the Sino-US relations into a new cold war.

  67. 67.

    YY_Sima Qian

    China is already assuming the US will directly intervene into a conflict across the Taiwan Strait, especially if the PRC initiates the conflict in the absence of a Taiwanese push toward de jure independence. Everything in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s weapons procurement, doctrine, & training point in that direction. Likewise, the USAF, USN & USMC are focused on fight the Chinese PLA in the “Indo-Pacific”, & procurement, doctrine & training are following suit. Biden’s words, whether a true “gaff”, a sincere statement of policy, or a calculated “gaff” w/ plausible deniability, will not change any of the above dynamic. I think this is the 4th time Biden has made such a “gaff” on US policy on Taiwan, which is still nominally that of “strategic ambiguity”.

    I think Biden has forgotten to clarify that the US will come to Taiwan’s aid if Mainland China launches an unprovoked invasion. I cannot imagine any sensible US policymaker willing to give the DPP government in Taiwan a blank check to pursue de jure independence & thereby drawing the US into a hot war w/ China that it does not want to fight. Biden may also have in mind the kind of military aid that has been given to Ukraine in face of the Russian invasion, which will be cold comfort to the Taiwanese.

  68. 68.

    Feathers

    ‘@Kay Saw on the Twitters that US Customs is still destroying baby formula from overseas upon arrival in the US. One woman was saying a $700 shipment was just thrown out. As someone responded, there has been a small underground market in European baby formulas and cracking down on those people, who have good sources and contacts, will just drive the emerging black market to criminal fraudsters and non-safe products.

  70. 70.

    smike

    Somebody around here was asking about finding your place in comments after refreshing the site. I realized, if on a laptop, I could copy a bit of the last comment (before refreshing) and then, after the refresh, using ‘ctrl + f’ (the ‘find’ function) and pasting the copied bit into the search window. Voila.

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