Here’s the horrifying news from Jake Tapper’s Twitter feed:
Fifteen have been killed in a shooting at Robb elementary school, according to Governor Greg Abbott — 14 students and 1 teacher.
Abbott said the shooter is also deceased.
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) May 24, 2022
What else is there to say except this is a deeply sick fucking country? That’s all I’ve got anyway.
Open thread.
Heads Up: I Am Going to Be Trying Some Things
opiejeanne
And it will be too soon to talk about gun control. It always is.
debbie
I’m not sure all 15 shot are deceased, based on NPR reporting.
scav
As it was Abbott, I can believe he might have patted himself on the back a bit over this evidence of Texans superior freedoms.
JPL
The governor said 15 dead. Initially they were only reporting those that died in the hospital.
JPL
Scav, Abbott said a handgun, but to have that many dead and injured, that seems unlikely to me
JanieM
“What else is there to say except this is a deeply sick fucking country? That’s all I’ve got anyway.”
What BC said.
Scout211
https://6abc.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/
UVALDE, Texas — Fourteen students and a teacher are dead after a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to Gov. Greg Abbott.
The 18-year-old suspect, a student at Uvalde High School, is also dead, he said.
He shot and killed horrifically and incomprehensibly 14 students and killed a teacher,” Abbott said during an unrelated press briefing.
The suspect also allegedly shot his grandmother before entering the school and again opening fire, Abbott said. He did not say anything further about her condition.
Abbott said the shooter had a handgun and also possibly a rifle.
Barbara
“Only” two dead. According to WaPo. Many others have been injured.
Raven
Two
bbleh
So let’s see, would it be worse if the victims/location were known to the shooter, or if it were a random, possibly racially motivated shooting?
(Hint: answer is, “why the FK did an unstable 18-y/o have access to a weapon?”)
scav
‘@JPL, I’m not 100% fluent in TX Magatongue, is a death by handgun or long-gun more liberating, or is the jump in freedom status due to semi-automation?
Urza
“possibly a rifle” means probably an AR-15
bbleh
WaPo now also says 14 + shooter dead
Raoul Paste
It doesn’t get more cowardly than this.
Apparently this is in a small town, and this amount of loss is especially devastating. God help them
The Moar You Know
because freedom
SpaceUnit
And the “pro-life” party cuts a few more notches in its belt.
Assholes.
MaiNaem mobile
I went on the Twitter feed for the school. Saw a lot of Hispanic names and its close to the border. It would be unreasonable not to speculate that it was done by a Tuckems admirer no? I don’t mean to sound sparky but WTF. Its a fucking elementary school!
David ☘The Establishment☘ Koch
I blame lack of school prayer
Scout211
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/alert-heavy-police-presence-at-robb-elementary-in-uvalde
UPDATE AT 3:43 P.M. – Gov. Greg Abbott confirms 14 students and 1 teacher dead following the mass shooting at Robb Elementary in Uvalde. Abbott also said that the 18-year-old shooter is also dead. Abbott identified the shooter as 18-year-old Salvador Romas. He was killed by officers. According to the governor, the shooter abandoned his car and entered the elementary with a handgun and possibly a riffle. He horrifically shot and killed a total of 15 people.
UPDATE at 3:30 p.m. – Two people are confirmed to have arrived at University Hospital in critical condition, a 66-year-old woman and 10-year-old girl.
Dopey-o
‘@scav
According to ER staff, an AR-15 does much more damage than a 9 mm handgun. Meaning faster, higher deathrates.
Moloch wants our children’s blood and he wants it now.
The Moar You Know
Too soon to discuss it, we don’t know what happened ->
Playing politics with dead kids, how dare you ->
Mentally ill ->
Shooter liked Nazis and they’re socialist yuh know ->
Look at what that crazy AOC is up to
Since this involved kids, we probably have to add a couple of rounds to the magazine of the semi-auto bullshit sprayer:
Deepfake Democrat production ->
Staged by Israeli secret service ->
Found on Hillary’s server ->
Alex Jones
And a bonus grenade launcher for the GOP counterattack: shooter named “Salvador Roma”. Oh, they’re gonna have a fucking field day with that. Literally translates to “Savior of Rome”. They’d probably give him a medal if he hadn’t shot himself.
Almost Retired
One of the Castro brothers is on Nicolle Wallace recalling that Abbott convened a gun violence panel after the Sutherland Springs church shooting. It turned out (big surprise) to entirely be theater. Nothing changed. Rinse and repeat.
Edmund Dantes
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
This Onion article is ever-fucking-green, and it was written long ago.
JPL
Saw on twitter that he was a citizen of the United States. Apparently, he’s Hispanic, so I’m sure this will be a hate crime and not mental illness.
SiubhanDuinne
The reporting of dead and injured numbers is all over the place. I’m seeing 15 dead, I’m seeing 13 dead 2 injured, I’m seeing 2 dead 14 hospitalised. Of course any number above zero is terrible.
A very slight personal connection to Uvalde: my maternal grandmother was born there and lived there until she was in her early teens.
David ☘The Establishment☘ Koch
‘@The Most You Know
You forgot: “the children should have rushed the gunman”
SpaceUnit
If only those children had machine guns of their own.
MaiNaem mobile
I occasionally go on my NextDoor site. There’s just so many responses for every damn theft to get a gun. Somebody had a extended family domestic violence issue/restraining order and one person suggested getting a pepper spray or a taser instead of a gun. Responses to this woman was ‘nooooo, you have to get a gun.’ The solution to a bike theft or a car break in is ‘get a gun.’ No discussion of all the tragic possible consequences.
Baud
Once you leave the womb, you’re on your own in Texas.
Scout211
SiubhanDuinne May 24, 2022 at 5:17 PM
See my comment above. I only checked local news sites for information. 14 children and one adult were killed and so far, two more are in critical condition, a 10 year old and a 66 year old (presumably his grandmother who he shot before driving to the school).
Maybe the local news sources have gotten it wrong but I don’t think so.
New Deal democrat
Way back 10 years ago when Sandy Hook happened, a good friend asked my opinion of whether massacring kindergartners with a semi-automatic would be enough to finally get gun control.
I replied that 100, no, 1000 such massacres could happen every single day and *nothing* would change until voters were willing to make gun control their #1 priority.
Voters haven’t, and nothing has changed. The shootings have become ever more frequent and routine.
The same is true today: 100, no, 1000 of these massacres can happen every single day and *nothing* will change until voters are willing to make gun control their #1 priority.
scav
‘@Dopey-o
Good to know. But that’s actual damage. I was wondering about the style points awarded by the cheering Moloch fans overwatering the tree of liberty.
Betty Cracker
I’ve told y’all this before, but I was once trapped in an office building while a crazed shooter murdered people. It will be 30 years ago next January. Back then, it was unusual. Now, I’m not even sure it would be a lead story because “only” four people died.
banditqueen
The murder of at least 14 young children and a teacher, and for their families, friends, like the Parkland kids said, it’s never over for the survivors… This is a horrible, vicious, heartbreaking tragedy and we should feel anger and grief, but whatever we feel through the pain and despair, we do understand exactly how it happened: too many guns, and there must be gun control measures put in place. Pray if it helps on a personal level, but be honest, it’s the guns. Don’t let the GQP get away with weaseling out of it.
SpaceUnit
Couple of idiots on ABC Live blaming this on the stress and strain of the covid pandemic.
Edmund Dantes
It’s already been demoted from breaking news status on the MSN.com website…
Baud
‘@Betty Cracker
Holy cow!
JPL
A retired journalist of the AJC, Jim Galloway posted this
Bodies are piling up at the altar. At some point, honesty requires us to classify these dead children and shoppers as ritual sacrifices to a fetishized Second Amendment that allows 18-year-old boys and failed men to become unstoppable gods of destruction and acolytes of death.
Tazj
I’m so enraged. I don’t know what to say anymore. So sick of people worshiping gun ownership.
Dangerman
I know for a fact that I was told that the only solution for a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun. Happened more than once as I recall. Yet in Buffalo we had a highly trained good guy with a gun and I bet this school (in Texas) has (had?) a guard.
It’s almost like the MFing, POS, JOs we’re lying to me. Huh.
Ruckus
They aren’t idiots. That would move them up the intelligence scale. They have the brain power of a single cell organism and will unfortunately live for a while.
JPL
Friday in Houston: “Trump will be joined in a celebration of Second Amendment rights by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Sen. John Cornyn, Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Dan Crenshaw, North Carolina Lt. Governor Mark Robinson, and South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem.”
https://twitter.com/rickklein/status/1529209343668899840
trollhattan
Feel ground down to a nub by spree killings. We will not do anything because we do not know what to do and there are very influential people dedicated to our never learning what a solution may be.
Surprised to learn that this is the largest toll in a Texas school spree killing, Some achievement.
Lapassionara
‘@JPL That should be emblazoned on billboards across the country.
japa21
And TX has the permitless concealed carry law. Anybody can carry a weapon concealed, including the 35,000 plus that refused a permit when they were required.
Eunicecycle
I am so sick. I feel so helpless, because we all know nothing will change. If by some miracle a gun control law were passed, it would be overturned by this insane Supreme Court.
Dorothy A Winsor
Once Sandy Hook happened and nothing changed, I knew we were up against a stone wall.
JPL
‘@DAW, Yup.
Sacrifices at the altar to the 2nd Amendment.
tom
And of course, TX AG Ken Paxton says to arm teachers. As though people go into teaching to be armed guards.
Asshole
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1529209566436655104?s=20&t=OHpj8Ddus4NrPbU7nKVZig
raven
Betty Cracker In Atlanta?
Kay
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
Jun 19, 2015
In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.
JoyceH
I just posted on Facebook: God DAMN it! If every person who supported gun reform voted on that basis, we would get it. If every person who supported women’s reproductive rights voted on that basis, we would get it. Both of these positions are supported by the vast majority of the American people. If we don’t have those things, it’s because we are ALLOWING ourselves to be ruled by a barbaric minority. Until we vote them out of office, jumping through every voter suppression hoop they create, we are going to keep getting what THEY want, and not what we want. And kids and women will continue to die.
BC in Illinois
“The shooting of elementary school students
by well-armed high school students,
being necessary for the security of a free state . . .”
Second Amendment, Sandy Hook / Uvalde edition
CaseyL
This country is controlled by those who are enthralled by vicarious violence and savagery.
Oh, and I think this school was a rare thing in Texas: somewhat liberal, or mostly Hispanic, or both. (The building appears to have a “Still I Rise” banner.) GOPers may not even both with the usual tots-&-pears if only “those people” were murdered.
Betty Cracker
‘@raven: Tampa.
Soprano2
‘@Kay; That’s exactly right. If that many dead 5-year-olds didn’t do it, nothing would. The laws have only gotten looser since then because they all think they need a strap-on penis everywhere they go.
Baud
‘@JoyceH
May 24, 2022 at 5:54 PM
Jinchi
My eldest son was in preschool during Sandy Hook. I’ve been furious ever since that his generation has had to live through years of active shooter drills in schools designed with prison level security.
I’m done with the 2nd amendment BS. I’d happily confiscate the guns of every d@mn rightwinger who blocked action to protect them.
japa21
‘@JPL, Mrs. japa said, they need to bring the bodies of the dead children to the “rally” and have the politicians dress the children for their funerals and have them place them into their coffins. She’s a retired nurse . ANY politician who can’t do that, can’t be in office. No prayers or excuses needed or accepted. It’s their job “to serve” their constituents.
Kay
Soprano2 May 24, 2022 at 5:58 PM
The Manchin Toomey bill after Sandy Hook. Weak as hell, just background checks, they couldn’t get 60 votes.
I felt so bad for the parents. They were there to watch it fail.
Baud
‘@Kay
The Senate is a disaster.
prostratedragon
@japa21: She’s right. Or maybe at least if some of the families would have open caskets, as Emmit Till’s mother did. Wouldn’t affect many people, but it would give uneasy feelings to some, which would be a start. We have to keep chopping.
pat
What sort of monster do you have to be to not have any reasonable rules about guns but on the other hand criminalize a woman’s right to choose to abort the blastocyst growing in her own uterus?
I despise these people.
JPL
‘@japa21 After Sandy Hook, I said if people had seen the piled up bodies in a closet, gun control would be passed.
Kay
Baud May 24, 2022 at 6:08 PM
I remember being shocked at how angry Obama was. He was barely keeping his composure. Just deep lines in his face- pure grief but real anger too.
Oh, I feel bad for all of them. Kids get so scared. I just hate to think of them so scared. We haven’t taken good care of them.
banditqueen
‘@JPL “Friday in Houston: “Trump will be joined in a celebration of Second Amendment rights by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Sen. John Cornyn, Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Dan Crenshaw, North Carolina Lt. Governor Mark Robinson, and South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem.”
Like all NRA events, this will be no guns allowed, for safety. Yes indeed. What’s good for the goose isn’t good enough for the gander.
Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA)
It’s just the tree of liberty being watered by patriots. Very small patriots.
Sickening, but it’s America, so here we are.
WaterGirl
‘@ Soprano2
Make that shredded 5-year-olds. Some of those little bodies were shredded by bullets.
Betty Cracker
‘@Kay: Obama was shaken to the core by that. It was plain on his face.
pat
And the NRA will hold their convention in …wait for it…. Houston, Texas on Friday? Monsters.
And what sort of monster can target kids?
eclare
‘@Kay: Obama has said that was the worst day of his presidency. And now Joe is here again.
Betty Cracker
‘@Baud: You’re 100% right — what a spectacularly failed institution. We’ve got some great people there, but as a body, the US Senate has utterly failed America.
Elizabelle
Was offline all day. Tragic shooting, not particularly shocking though. This is the USA. This is what happens here. Constantly.
I think we are going to see change after this one. It’s a cumulative effect. Times are changing.
Don’t watch cable, but I always marvel at those who marvel that gun violence could have happened in their school, in their little community.
It happens everywhere. Most Americans do not support the prevalence of guns, and unaccountability. We have a sane President, and control Congress. Perhaps working to stop massacres like this can help us to hold it.
Buffalo. Uvalde. Can never keep up with the parade of towns and cities that have lost their residents, en masse, to the gun.
pat
I will always remember where I was when I heard about Sandy Hook, as I will remember where I was on 9/11. And today….
Where is my sobbing emoji?
The Moar You Know
Oh of course I forgot “arm the teachers”. I won’t forget that gem again.
debbie
Heh. Here’s some hacking I can get behind:
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1529219583256690688?s=20&t=a5_qA34GLSp1XRgHRJGc-A
(ETA: Scroll down a bit to read the “adjusted” bio.)
Elizabelle
‘@ Kay: re your post: “(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
Jun 19, 2015
In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”
I don’t agree with that take AT ALL. The majority of Americans do want to see gun control, and they do not find the body count at Sandy Hook or elsewhere bearable.
We are stymied by well-funded minority rule on this one. And by those craven US Senate rules which serve a minority of Senators, and not the citizens of this country as a whole. One good thing: the NRA has been partially defanged, even while we contend with a ridiculous and illegitimate Supreme Court.
Screw Dan Hodges and his wanking. He does not speak for me, for anyone on this blog, for Americans, for “we.” He just wants to beat a drum and act all cynical and superior.
mrmoshpotato
‘@MaiNaem mobile
NextDoor – Don’t hate your neighbors? We can fix that!
Betty Cracker
‘@Elizabelle: The problem is the majority who want to end the slaughter aren’t single-issue voters, but the gun nuts are.
New Deal democrat
‘@Betty Cracker: “ The problem is the majority who want to end the slaughter aren’t single-issue voters, but the gun nuts are.”
Exactly. I agree 100%.
mrmoshpotato
‘@BanditQueen
“The murder of at least 14 young children and a teacher, and for their families, friends, like the Parkland kids said, it’s never over for the survivors… This is a horrible, vicious, heartbreaking tragedy and we should feel anger and grief, but whatever we feel through the pain and despair, we do understand exactly how it happened: too many guns, and there must be gun control measures put in place. Pray if it helps on a personal level, but be honest, it’s the guns. Don’t let the GQP get away with weaseling out of it.”
Weasels gonna weasel. I hope their constituents remember (and give a damn enough) in November.
debbie
A Parkland father’s reaction:
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1529227358640779264?s=20&t=a5_qA34GLSp1XRgHRJGc-A
phdesmond
NPR had a clip of a local spokesperson condemning what sounded like “this high-anus crime.” it took me a sec to realize that he was referring to the word “heinous.”
mali muso
My precious daughter starts kindergarten this fall, and I am sick to my stomach. This is no country in which to raise kids.
Elizabelle
‘@ Betty Cracker: yes, that is very true about single-issue voters. Also the evangelical set, the sheep who cannot see they are doing the bidding of the wolves leading them.
We have the January 6th hearings coming up in a few weeks. I have to hope that some crows are coming home to roost (is that the phrase?). On many, many fronts.
banditqueen
‘@mrmoshpotato–one GQPer who needs to lose is the Uvalde rep in the House, Tony Gonzalez, another gun nut loser who should lose.
eclare
‘@mali muso: I would be sick to my stomach too.
Mike in NC
Maybe wingnut Governor Abbott should declare that there will be no further mass shooting in Texas, just as he pledged that no further rapes would take place in Texas, thus being the green light to ban abortion. Imbeciles.
SpaceUnit
Tomorrow’s NYT:
Texas Slaughter Shows GOP Gaining With Young Hispanics Ahead Of Midterms
Also:
Gun Deaths Under Biden Administration Continue To Rise
debbie
Sen. Chris Murphy says it: “What are we doing?”
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1529215874808197120?s=20&t=a5_qA34GLSp1XRgHRJGc-A
prostratedragon
Maybe Gonzalez’s Dem opponent will campaign hard on this. Not play politics my ass.
Dorothy A Winsor
Proposed NRA Panel Title: Arming 7 year olds–An Idea Whose Time Has Come?
banditqueen
Per WaPo, Biden will speak tonight but so far a time hasn’t been provided. Biden was Obama’s ‘point person’ on gun reform after Sandy Hook–he got whatever executive orders he could signed by Obama, but the background checks bill (hustled by Manchin and Toomey) failed of course due to our loser GQPers.
MomSense
Fuck the fucking funs. We are clearly not responsible enough to be trusted with them.
MomSense
Fuck the fucking guns. We are clearly not responsible enough to be trusted with them.
eclare
‘@banditqueen: I read somewhere around 8:15 EDT, but I’m sure that is subject to change.
Kay
Elizabelle May 24, 2022 at 6:27 PM
We don’t have a national popular vote on legislation. The US Senate is not representative. It’s a structural issue. It isn’t going to be fixed by voting harder or working harder.
People need achievable goals. Telling them it’s just a matter of will is simply not true.
This country is in trouble. The time for telling stories about how we can organize our way out of this is past. We need structural reforms across a whole host of institutions. You’re asking them – over and over and over- to work within a system that simply won’t produce the results they
need. They deserve at least to be told that.
Another Scott
NPR says 27 school shootings have already taken place in the USA this year.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ has two more shootings (in Decatur, GA and Arnold AFB in TN) since this Uvalde massacre.
Yeah, that TheOnion piece over and over.
:-(
Grr…,
Scott.
The Truffle
Can we finally have a push to vote the bastards out?
scav
Would like the hear the Supreme Courts pre-emptive bleating about the holy holy babies needing all possible protections by the by. Will any and all nearby women be sued, admonished or prosecuted for not automatically throwing their bodies in front of the bullets as is their biological and teleological function?
justawriter
We will get gun control only if these events start happening at Republican fundraisers, or if the Panthers make a comeback.
debbie
Well, I listened to Sen. Murphy’s incredible statement and then fired off one last angry email to Rob Portman.
Pointless, but it needed to be done.
Elizabelle
I agree with you, Kay. I agree this country is pretty much down the tubes. It is the life’s work of “conservatives.” We lag Western Europe so badly; the whole rest of the “first world.” Unless you’re a billionaire! Then you’re golden.
debbie
‘@ scav:
If the SC is ready to toss precedent out the window for Roe, why not for their rulings on the Second Amendment?
banditqueen
“…this isn’t inevitable, these kids weren’t unlucky, this only happens in this country, nowhere else… what are we doing? This is our choice…”
Chris Murphy, today, after the slaughter of the children. about 5 minutes long. Cut & paste the following (sorry).
“https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1529215874808197120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529215874808197120%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpolitics-news%2Fchris-murphy-uvalde-shooting-speech-1358039%2F”
banditqueen
‘@scav Per TX and the loser 6 in the supreme court, you can’t make laws to prevent gun deaths because laws like that just don’t work, you see. But all is not lost in law world, for laws do prevent abortion. How do they do it? I don’t know, they just do it.
Elizabelle
Youtube of Senator Chris Murphy’s remarks on Senate floor. About 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4OauUiHRsU
C-Span has a shorter excerpt; about 1:21. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5016432/senator-murphy-appeals-action-gun-laws-15-killed-texas-elementary-school
Elizabelle
C-Span notes Biden scheduled to speak at 8:15 p EDT.
SpaceUnit
Got into an argument with a gun kook a few years back.
I told him that there are definitely people you can trust to carry firearms in public. Problem is, they’re the folks that wouldn’t want anything to do with it. It’s a bit of a Catch-22.
Most of the bozos that want to carry I wouldn’t trust with a plastic fork.
Kay
Elizabelle May 24, 2022 at 7:04 PM
I think it’s a time for really hard headed bluntness about what we’re up against. You’re not getting 60 in the senate. We either do some structural reforms or things keep spiraling down because you can’t give activists an impossible task. It’s not fair to them and you’ll lose them anyway. So they can get to 52, 53, maybe, with a huge effort, and past that they’ll need movement on one of the sides of the box they’re in.
Mike in NC
Washington Post: “Trump booked to address NRA meeting in Houston this Friday”
Anybody think he’ll cancel? Me neither. The NRA spent $30M to put that turd in the Oval Office. He’s as shameless and soulless as they come.
Elizabelle
I agree with you. It’s been grim watching the Republican Senators line up like lemmings to not support legislation their predeccessors would have. Name names.
Call out anyone who says the problem is CONGRESS or the SENATE too. It is Republicans. And it is the way those institutions are structured. You are correct there.
I don’t go in for shaming the American people as a whole either. They don’t support this; little difference that it makes.
Another Scott
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1529231929723088896
NotTooCrazyStrictHat
@Popehat
·
42m
Teachers, whose unions are communist and who cannot be trusted to refrain from grooming our children to lives of sexual debauchery and hatred of America and white people, should be better armed
===
Yup – it’s perfectly clear… :-/
Cheers,
Scott.
New Deal democrat
‘@debbie: “ If the SC is ready to toss precedent out the window for Roe, why not for their rulings on the Second Amendment?”
Just to point out, if the SCOTUS 5 applied the same reasoning to the 2nd Amendment as they are applying to abortion, it would mean that everyone in the country would be entitled to carry an 18th century sidearm or musket, but no more modern innovations. And no ammo, since the word “ammunition” is and was a clearly understood separate term, and nowhere appears in the Amendment.
mrmoshpotato
‘@Another Scott
Most definitely with every teacher with a sidearm on their hip. That’ll help create a stress-free environment where the students can focus on learning.
Bex
The only way to solve the gun problem in this country is to do what the right-wing authoritarians want. Install a dictator. Guns will be gone overnight. Dictators don’t allow guns. Hope I will be gone one way or the other if this happens.
lowtechcyclist
Remember when people used to say that the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
eclare
‘@SpaceUnit: after my dad died, I called my cousin to come over to the house and get the guns. We were talking as he collected them, and he said he would put them in his floor safe. I asked, you have a floor safe? His response: I have a teenage son.
That is responsible gun ownership.
Scout211
Update:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/24/uvalde-texas-school-shooting/
The Texas Department of Public Safety confirmed to The Texas Tribune that 18 children and three adults are dead after the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde County on Tuesday. Others were also injured.
debbie
Steve Kerr gives McConnell and the 49 others what for:
https://twitter.com/notoriousohm/status/1529244558239973376?s=21&t=R4a-Kv9_SlIU-bFEB-j2MQ
SpaceUnit
‘@eclare: It’s a culture thing nowadays.
I grew up in Pennsylvania and everybody hunted. Owning a gun said nothing about your political values or orientation. People took gun safety seriously. I had to take a course before I ever went to the range.
That has changed over the years. There are still responsible gun owners, but there are a hell of a lot of kooks. The last time I was in a gun shop was about 15 years ago ( I was actually there for some fishing tackle ) and it was a goddamn zoo.
debbie
‘@ New Deal Democrat:
I could live with that.
Ruckus
pat @6:13
All it takes is a rethuglican monster. One who thinks his/her rights to kill someone outweighs that person’s rights not to be killed by a racist asshole. They want to take this country back over 200 yrs when we didn’t really have a set of laws and freedoms and had a revolution over that very issue. 200++ yrs latter we are still needing to throw the king under the carriage/bus because that’s the level of laws they want.
Mike in Pasadena
Texass AG Ken Paxton’s solution: arm teachers with guns. The solution is always “more guns!” What happened to tots and potatoes? Shootings in Buffalo, shootings in NY subway, shootings in Uvalde, Texas resulting in death. How could this be happening? Republicans told us for 9 years that Obama was taking away everybody’s guns. They should all be gone, right? Or perhaps Republicans lied? Shocker!
Elizabelle
Biden up.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?520571-1/pres-biden-deadly-school-shooting-uvalde-texas&live
“I had hoped, when I became President, that I would not have to do this again.” Speaking of “scores of little children.” See their friends die, as if they’re on a battlefield, for God’s sake. They’ll live with it the rest of their lives.
Elizabelle
As a nation we have to ask, when in God’s name, are we going to stand up to the gun lobby.
Mike in Pasadena
Somebody probably already mentioned earlier in the thread that a 3 judge panel a few days ago struck down a law that outlawed guns for 18 years and younger.
Mike in Pasadena
Elizabelle: Never, we gotta have more guns, doncha know.
debbie
I watched the speech on Twitter and also scanned the many comments. Christ, we’re a nation of assholes.
Tazj
‘@debbie-McConnell and the Republicans have to be pressured and made to feel shame by this.They have to be hassled by the press everywhere they go. What’s their answer to this? They asked McConnell a week or two ago if the Republicans take over Congress what will they do? McConnell answered that he didn’t know, we’ll have to find out if they win. Of course, everyone laughed.
The flags in my area(outside of Buffalo) are still at half mast.
Ksmiami
The hits keep coming from the Pro-life party…
OGLiberal
My wife keeps pushing me to make plans to leave this fucking place. My company has a large office in Hong Kong and I have good relationships with a few of the folks there. I’m at the point – my wife and kids are at the point – after the last several years that I’d probably feel safer living in fucking Hong Kong than here. We have a large office in London as well but, well….not sure that place is much better, although it is on the mass shooting front.
We have a second home in NE PA and spend a decent amount of time there away from NJ. In PA we are about a 15-20 minute drive from the Buffalo shooter’s house. Don’t know how his parents raised him but there are a lot of Trumper parents up here who are influencing their kids and a lot of them aren’t originally from here…they are from much bluer areas. (Buffalo shooter’s dad grew up right near me in central NJ….didn’t know him but same age)
Ruckus
I am either speechless or can only use swear words.
Would anyone mind a comment with the word FUCK repeated 1000 times?
People say we have to protect the kids.
2nd, 3rd and 4th graders. His grandmother.
I think 1000 times is not nearly enough.
I enlisted in the military for this country, during a WAR that got 58,208 Americans killed, WWII we had over 500,000 Americans killed and now we are killing 2nd, 3rd and 4th graders. What’s the body count of individual citizens killed by guns in the last 12 yrs, the length of those 2 wars? Wasn’t Sandy Hook enough?
The Pro-Life party. Fuck that they are the Pro-Fucking- Death party.
Typing Fuck 10,000 times isn’t enough.
Suzanne
Between this and the news coming out of the SBC this week, I am beyond done with the GOP, organized religion, the NRA, and anyone who votes for them or gives them money.
Ruckus
‘@Suzanne 9:56PM
Maybe we should form a political party
The Anti Rethuglican Party.
The Anti Children’s Death Party
The Who The Hell Needs All These Guns To Kill Kids Party
The What The Fuck Party.
The Kill The Death Squad Party
The We Don’t Want To Kill Your Kids Party
Chris T.
It’s obviously too soon to talk about this deepfake false flag operation in which nobody died because it never actually happened….
Suzanne
‘@Ruckus
The Being-A-Downwardly-Mobile-Loser-Dude-Who-Can’t-Get-Laid-Isn’t-A-Mental-Illness Party.
TheTruffle
Maybe we should push to boycott open carry states.
YY_Sima Qian
Because of all the school shootings (& other instances of gun violence) in the US, which get played up Chinese state & social media, my wife & in-laws are very concerned about my plan to take our daughter to the US for junior high or high school. I have to say I am reevaluating my plans, too.
Incredibly depressing.
Betty Cracker
YY_Sima Qian: Those are certainly valid concerns, and, like you said, it’s incredibly depressing.