The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety’s investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state’s review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.
There was a lot made of the fact that 40% of the Uvalde municipal budget went to the Uvalde PD and their cosplay SWAT team, but as far as I can tell, the Uvalde School District police force is not part of the municipal budget, so that town is also spending a significant amount of money on cops in the school budget. (The phrase “Uvalde School District police force” says a whole lot about what’s wrong with this country, btw.)
In further news, the investigators are walking back the claim that a door was propped open, which allowed the gunman to enter the building. The new account says that a teacher had propped open the door with a rock. When she heard the gunman crash his truck, she removed the rock she had used to prop open the door and closed it, but for some reason the door didn’t lock.
The contrast between the sniveling, lying cowardice of this group of donut chompers, and the bravery of retired Buffalo PD officer Aaron Salter, just gets stronger every day.
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SiubhanDuinne
You had me at the thread title.
WaterGirl
Could have used another fuck. Fuck these fucking worthless pigs.
Un-fucking-believable. Lying sacks of cowardly shit.
bbleh
This is just what the Librul Media want you to believe. But reliable authorities now are saying that it was an Italian satellite that opened the door using lasers, and the entire classroom scene was a distraction from the real mission, which was to retrieve the DNCC’s missing email servers, which were being stored in Uvalde so they could be taken secretly across the border into Mexico!
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Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Can they legally do this? Also, fuck these asswipes
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
Exactly. Rage Against the Machine!
Wasn’t the Border Patrol also sent in? I can’t tell all these separate forces apart. Too many cooks allowed children and teachers to be murdered.
JMG
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Depends. Maybe the Texas investigation, but not the federal one. They’d have to lawyer up and cite the Fifth to do that.
West of the Rockies
Oh, what indignant squealing would we hear if suspects stopped cooperating with this police force/farce. What are you hiding, cowards?
bbleh
@West of the Rockies: I’m gonna go with “appalling incompetence,” Monty!
Alison Rose
In their case, SWAT = Sorry, We’re All Twats
Doug R
@bbleh:
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I am not a crank™
dmsilev
@West of the Rockies: Aren’t we perpetually told that a failure to completely comply (not cooperate) with anything that a policeman demands is evidence of guilt?
Starfish
The way the police force tried to blame the teachers was gross.
Mike E
Here in NC, we have a Lt Gov who wants to, uhh, shoot somebody. We might have to keep an eye on this guy, he’s setting his sights on national politics.
Frederick Stibbert
The Uvalde PD are taking big hits for cowardice, & rightly so. That rep will never wash off. But people gotta understand that, had those cosplay constable guys gone waltzing right on in, the number of dead & wounded would’ve been far larger, with many victims’ injuries not compatible w/ murder-boy’s weapons.
Tazj
What I don’t understand is after the border patrol showed up with more powerful weapons and protective gear, why stop them from going in? It’s not a matter of cowardice or bravery then, they weren’t going in themselves at that point.
PeakVT
I wish Biden could declare an emergency and have the National Guard police Uvalde while the entire Uvalde PD/Uvalde School District PD is rebuilt from scratch. Federalism and possibly other laws prevents that from happening.
Having school districts that are separate from the rest of local government is one of the many weird aspects of America’s governmental system. Duplicate policing systems often result.
Dangerman
Hey, give them a break, they hadn’t finished their Krispy Kremes yet.
Each one of those fuckers needs to spend the rest of his or her career cleaning the shitters (with good behavior, they can get a toothbrush to assist).
kindness
The Uvalde Police Department bleatings aren’t meant for the Uvalde public’s consumption. The PD’s lies are meant for the cult out there who are Republicans. And those cult members will obey!
Starfish
The school board looks to have more Chicano/Latino representation than other bodies of government in Uvalde. If they are funding the school district security, they can choose to re-allocate that funding differently.
For example, schools do need emergency plans for what to do in case of shootings or other incidents that school security officers can do. They also need to do investigations when there are incidents that may fall under Title IX.
JPL
@Frederick Stibbert: At that point who would have been alive to blame the teacher?
hmmm
apocalipstick
@Starfish: I told my Ms. Stick (we’re both retired teachers) that I was afraid we would see that poor woman commit suicide after doxxing and right-wing harrassment.
Sure Lurkalot
So any surveillance camera feeds, 911 records…they can just withhold them from their own state agency?
We will probably find out that the Texas DPS ordered them to refuse to cooperate, better to delay evidence coming to light in the hopes that the public will move on as it is wont to do after these massacres. I wish I was kidding.
JPL
The lie about the teacher bothers me because it sounded plausible. Now we know the teacher not only shut the door, but called 911 to report gun shots neat/at the school.
Redshift
@debbie:
That’s what we were told, unless that story has changed too. I still want to know what they were doing there, though I suspect it’s just that the school was full of brown people, so the local coos they were chummy with assumed it was in their area of expertise.
MisterForkbeard
To be fair, it’s not like I’d trust the Texas STATE cops with my innocence or guilt either. Especially when they want to deflect all the blame from the Governor.
But yeah, these fuckers are guilty as fuck. Fuck’ em.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@JMG:
It’s bad optics either way, too. It’s not a good look. I want the DOJ to make these goons squirm. Might even need to dismantle the department and start knew if they’re so willing to lie as they have
Dan B
There is a report that another door would not lock and that the cause is most likely inadequate or deferred maintenance.
It would be below police pay grade to inspect security at the school. Right?
Barbara
@Sure Lurkalot: That is my question. I get that individuals might want to invoke their right against self-incrimination at times, but for the agency as a whole to refuse to cooperate by turning over recordings and videos and other materials under its control would seem to be — well, I can’t think of a reason why they wouldn’t be compelled to turn it over, but it might depend on which body is investigating. They tend to have different lines of authority, with AGs typically having the most authority. It could be that they are jockeying for a friendlier state agency to take over.
Mai Naem mobile
I would not want to be one of these officers living in that town….hell, I would be packing up and moving out, far far from Uvalde. Go get a job flipping burgers or whatever. There’s a decent chance in a town of 16000 you’re going to get the crap beaten out of you.
Another Scott
I was just coming here to post a tweet about the door story.
Given all the lies the lying liars have told thus far, I’m thinking that maybe dick_nixon’s thesis cannot be ruled out:
Grr…,
Scott.
RSA
For a different kind of example, I’m remembering news articles about crimes, typically sexual assault, that have come to light on university campuses, where the reporter will write that the university police department initially shelved multiple complaints or refused to pursue them further. Local police departments often seem like little fiefdoms, without appropriate oversight.
Shalimar
@Redshift: I saw an interview with a Border Patrol officer whose wife teaches there and their child also goes to the school. He was off-duty so he got his own child but said he wasn’t equipped to assault the murderer. In any case, Border Patrol personnel live in Uvalde so they probably weren’t far away.
Starfish
@apocalipstick: I hope not. One of the spouses of one of the teachers that died also died of a heart attack after one of the memorial services.
banditqueen
@Frederick Stibbert:
“waltzing right on in”? These are not the constabulary. These are supposed to be well-trained, armored, focused cops who recently completed a school shooters course. There were lots of them present. There were numerous ways they could have approached the shooter: approach the classrooms from different directions, use the windows, tear gas, on and on. It’s their job. 78 minutes of inaction. It’s criminal, it’s inexcusable, it’s unacceptable.
Scout211
As I posted in a prior thread, here in California it is not unusual for school districts to have their own police department. However, in a small town like Uvalde, with so much money funding the town’s police, it seems unnecessary..
As for the Uvalde School District police:
The school district chief who delayed the response for reasons (that keep changing), attended school active shooter training in December.
Source.
And the rest of the department took the training two months ago.
Source.
Mike in NC
Things are bigger in Texas, including asshole cops.
UncleEbeneezer
Police Depts NEVER go along nicely or cooperate with efforts to investigate/audit them. They fight every damn request for cooperation. Also the kind of lying, changing stories etc., we are seeing in Uvalde is also pretty much standard operating procedure for police officers and their departments.
VOR
@Starfish: Broken Heart Syndrome aka Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. It’s a very real condition which could be detected in an autopsy. Statistically, spouses are at higher risk of death immediately after the death of their partner.
Mai Naem mobile
@bbleh: you forgot to tie in the basement pizza parlor and the Durham faceplant.
Racer X
@WaterGirl: Good call.
HinTN
@Frederick Stibbert: IOW, they just suck at the government tit, strut around in their uniforms, are totally untrained and unfit for their jobs, and … ain’t that enough? PIGS!
West of the Rockies
This department already gobbles up 40% of the city budget. If they lose the suit, the city–not the department–will pay the cash to litigants (the tax payers will be paying the penalty on behalf of the coward squad). Come the next contract talks, they’ll hear all about the thin brave blue line. Bullshit.
gene108
@Mike E:
From your link
Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article261971475.html#storylink=cpy
Benw
Brave, brave cop Robin
apocalipstick
@JPL: I was surprised it didn’t go straight to “She was too busy grooming the kids for pedophilia to lock the door.”
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Benw:
He bravely stood in the way!
Kelly
Compare and contrast teacher vs cops
https://www.opb.org/article/2022/05/31/keanon-lowe-hometown-victory-oregon-autobiography/
Kelly
Oh and piss on these cops
https://www.opb.org/article/2022/05/30/portland-2020-protests-lawsuits-against-city-police-federal-officers/
Redshift
@Shalimar: I’m not surprised there were Border Patrol officers in the area or living there. But that still doesn’t explain involving them in an armed confrontation alongside people they haven’t trained with. And even more so if the Border Patrol as a force wasn’t called in, just “our buddy who’s a BP agent.”
Ohio Mom
What everyone else said.
Just want to add that I think most local governments spend at least 40% of their budget on so-called public safety, more if they also have a full-time fire department under the public safety umbrella (instead of volunteer or a mix of volunteer and professional). Or if they aren’t fudging their numbers by having a school force. I’ll add that in my school district, the single police officer assigned to a school building is paid for by the city, not the school board.
Anyway, I’m guessing most places probably get as much value for the big chunk of money they throw at police as Uvalde does, which is to say, not much.
docNC
@Mike E: another useless NC politician; but good luck to him brandishing his AR in front of any cop.
He’s also an “I can get my gf an abortion, but you can’t” guy. It makes me sick to hear these assholes.
oatler
It’s not the cops, it’s the Democrats who have blood on their hands. That’s what the intrepid balloonist Ted Cruz told me.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kelly:
The kidnapping in unmarked vans by Homeland Security officers is probably the most terrifying.
There’s not much that could’ve stopped them, if they had chosen or had been ordered, to make those people “disappear”:
scav
Odd how the one thing they seem to efficient at doing is making themselves entirely unattractive. Are they all planning to get into the witness protection program or just leave the country and hide?
Kelly
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Portland George Floyd protests skated way too close to Pinochet action.
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
It’s like these guys sat down and had a meeting where whoever was leading it asked, “What can we do to be the worst fucking collection of worthless assholes on God’s green Earth?” Everything they’ve said or done seems planned to be awful and to make everybody hate them. It’s like they’re trying to get themselves disbanded and run out of town.
Miss Bee
@Mai Naem mobile:
I hope that chance is very decent.
Roger Moore
@RSA:
The problem isn’t lack of oversight, per se, as it is a corrupt relationship between the PD and the people overseeing them. The police department has an inherent conflict of interest when investigating the politicians who hold their purse strings.
debbie
There’s certainly no shortage of conspiracy theories:
https://twitter.com/beautfc/status/1531790626446008320?s=21&t=0KMmALEUVWowjblhKetbDg
debbie
Richard Scarry for today.
https://twitter.com/rubenbolling/status/1531622076775292929?s=21&t=8dn2QHCvvxluvoirDlkP_w
TheOtherHank
Riffing Another Scot’s comment: I recall that in one of the early versions, the cops went into the classroom and and called for anyone who need help to make themselves known. One kid said something and then the baddie shot the kid.
TheOtherHank’s Theory: the cops did request that the kids make themselves known, a kid made a sound, and the cop shot the kid.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kelly:
Exactly. Just like Pinochet.
@debbie:
God, it’s all such a gut punch. Literally everything
Tony G
@Mai Naem mobile: Well, maybe. But I’ve read comments from some of the “good citizens” of that town to the effect that “they better not touch muh gunz”, even after that massacre of small children. I would bet that many of the gun-humpers that value their toys over the lives of children are also part of the cult of “the thin blue line”. These are not rational people, or good people. I’m sorry that children had to suffer and die for the stupidity of the adults.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
Between police and corrections, the Jefferson County part of Louisville Metro allocates a full 55% of its annual budget to manage that aspect of “public safety”. That budget number is similar to those in the Southern Indiana and surrounding counties portions of the SMSA.
That doesn’t even begin to touch the number of small cities within Jefferson County that exist solely to fund police departments that exist in order to support speed traps, stop sign enforcement, window tinting regs, and for pulling over people for wide turns and turn signal violations when they’re black.
Ben Cisco
@VOR: Quite correct. I was on the table for two hours at the ER at the same time Mrs. Cisco was passing away. I had to look the term up later. It is REAL.
Spent a month in bed, another month on a restricted half-day schedule, and wasn’t worth much for the next 18 months.
God that poor family.
Anotherlurker
Ah, Texas! Where men are blowhards, sheep carry mace and cops sport a yellow streak down their backs.
Chris T.
@bbleh: You forgot the “false flag” keyword. False-flag lasers, that’s it!
bbleh
@Mai Naem mobile: I like the “Durham faceplant” as a meme. Is it a gymnastics fail? A botanical skin treatment? A North Carolina mannequin-parts factory? The mind reels …
Ohio Mom
@Ben Cisco: Oh my,I did not know that about you. This is a long time after, belated condolences. So sorry.
Don’t know what else to say.
bbleh
@Chris T.: People who KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT will KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT, know what I mean?
Something something where we all go, stinks like piss, or something.
eachother
Welcome back B-J. You were gone and so was I.
Love the new font.
WTF? Was it cyber crime? Were we targeted.
Please, if there is a link to the story that explains I would be interested to know.
I can’t catch up let alone keep up.
But I am very happy to know I can try.
Ben Cisco
@Ohio Mom: Thanks. I survived it. I just feel for those that did not, and their families.
Soprano2
@VOR: My mother had this, or something like it, in the year after my sister was killed. She’d never had heart problems before.
opiejeanne
@Ben Cisco: I remember seeing you mention your wife had died and was stunned because I hadn’t seen any mention of her illness. I know not everyone posts about stuff like this, and I felt sad for you.
And now I’m stunned again that we almost lost you too, and I’m very glad we didn’t.
Ben Cisco
@opiejeanne: Thank you. When I say that this place was and is supportive, I mean it. Saved my sanity for certain.
Liminal Owl
@Ben Cisco: I did not know any of this, and I am so sorry.
Also too, I doubt I would survive if the Thin Black Duke were to pass away.
Paul in KY
@bbleh: I’m going to go with ‘protecting my buddies as those kids are probably already dead, Monty!’
Paul in KY
@Scout211: Maybe all that training showed him that he could be in serious trouble against an assailant armed with modern military rifle, etc.
I just think it was basic cowardice. Here was a situation where they could be all shot up & rescuing those kids wasn’t enough of an incentive to make them assault the place.