Once again ignoring the infamous Stringer Bell Rule: “Is you taking notes on a criminal f*cking conspiracy?”.
Per Rolling Stone:
The Jan. 6 committee has subpoenaed documentary filmmaker Alex Holder in regard to footage and interviews Holder and his team shot while following former President Donald Trump and his inner circle throughout the 2020 presidential campaign. Holder’s company, AJH Films, confirmed to Rolling Stone on Tuesday that he has been subpoenaed, will sit for an interview with the panel on Thursday, and has “fully complied with all of the committee’s requests.”…
In some of the highest ranks of the Trumpworld diaspora — including among several who testified before the Jan. 6 committee — news of the documentarian cooperating with the congressional panel (and also potentially having reams of behind-the-scenes footage of Trump’s crusade to nullify the 2020 election) came as a bizarre surprise. “What the fuck is this?” a former top Trump 2020 official messaged Rolling Stone on Tuesday after seeing the Politico item…
In other words: many of the people actually running Trump’s reelection operation are now saying they somehow had zero clue that an entire documentary was being filmed largely about Trump and his reelection campaign. And now the fruits of that doc are being mined for evidence by the congressional committee investigating Trump and his multi-pronged efforts to shred the American democratic order…
A source familiar with the production of Holder’s documentary, titled Unprecedented, told Rolling Stone that the film was conceptualized and coordinated directly with the Trump family, and that senior campaign staff was not involved in approving participants or in decisions regarding what subject matter would be included in the film. The source, who is knowledgeable about the project and its scope, detailed that Holder had extensive access to Trump campaign activities, including filming behind the scenes at campaign events and traveling with documentary subjects…
As a filmmaker, Holder is best known for his documentary Keep Quiet, which covered far-right Hungarian politician Csanad Szagedi’s fall from power. Szagedi was the deputy head of Hungary’s radical nationalist Jobbik party, and after years of catering to anti-semitic groups was forced to resign when his own Jewish ancestry became public knowledge…
If this were fiction, any respectable editor would’ve red-penciled that nugget. But, hey — this was Prince Jared, Master of Networking!
Some reporting on the Alex Holder Trump doc, per convos with 3 people this morning who worked on Trump 2020…
1-They recall a film crew coming to HQ at least once. They also remember it being odd because campaign's legal team seemed surprised, as if it was an unvetted project.
— Robert Costa (@costareports) June 21, 2022
He did. pic.twitter.com/cjavR7SRnq
— Neil Davis (@neildavis211) June 21, 2022
Scheduled for release this summer by ‘a major streaming service’!
My statement in response to being subpoenaed by Congress: pic.twitter.com/LOY53rEynI
— Alex Holder (@alexjholder) June 21, 2022
Bring all the popcorn!
Baud
Trump wanted equal time.
pluky
Can one get a Pulitzer for footage published as the result of a Congressional subpoena?
Leto
Only the finest people.
Ramalama
I so want everyone to make this movie popular and call it “Unpresidented” instead.
Gin & Tonic
British filmmaker, who would like to be able to visit the US from time to time in the future, complies with subpoena.
Tinare
Popcorn futures trading at all time high.
The Moar You Know
NOW he’s going to fuckin jail. Is it a Jared production? Don Junior? Maybe Kimberly! The possibilities for fail are endless with that crew.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Holy cow. These people are unbelievable. It’s a great plot twist, though
JWR
Hah! Jared! Hah! Again! Somehow, I am not the least bit surprised.
TaMara
Criming on video.
And we thought the Nixon tapes were a bombshell.
lollipopguild
Trump was going to win and this film would have been the icing on the cake showing him in charge as he won a second term.
Ella in New Mexico
First thing out of my mouth when I read about this was IT HAD TO BE FUCKING JARED
That guy. What price will he pay for this I wonder?
The Moar You Know
@Ella in New Mexico: Secretary of State. Ivanka will be VP. It’s gonna be lit.
Steeplejack
Sounds like it certainly will be a legacy project for Mr. Trump!
Cinéma vérité documentarians have long known that their subjects can quickly become used to the presence of an unobtrusive camera and basically forget that it’s there. Also, in the hectic media environment of the White House—not to say chaotic, in Trump’s case—staffers may assume that anybody who is there is working on a legitimate project, maybe just something that they’re not personally up to speed on. Definitely a target-rich environment.
And, possibly to forestall some whining from the Trump camp, this is from a 2011 New York Times article about An American Family, the 1973 PBS documentary about the Loud family of Santa Barbara, CA:
WaterGirl
Oh, Lordy, there are tapes!
different-church-lady
They… don’t… even… understand… that… they’re… doing… anything… wrong.
Cameron
“The film was envisioned as a legacy project for Mr. Trump.” How true.
dmsilev
Of course there were (video)tapes, and of course it was Jared.
If I may commit a linguistic sin, schadenhubris needs to become a word.
Baud
I hope the video is filmed like The Office, with action interspersed with interviews.
Dorothy A. Winsor
A “legacy” project?
Well. Maybe.
Rob
Unbelievable
different-church-lady
I worked on the docu series about the young mayor of Fall River, Massachusetts. One of the first things the director said to us was, “Keep in mind, anything we do could be subpoenaed at any moment.”
different-church-lady
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Well, absolutely! Just, not the way they thought.
raven
Rachel just lauded Rusty Bowers for his courage. Time to oust her from MSNBC.
Delk
Proud Boys, now Trump—who else had a film crew following them? Please, please, please be Ginni.
different-church-lady
@Delk: Well, yeah, but it might be amateur porn, are you ready for that?
mrmoshpotato
So – the orange manbaby dumbass was surprised that a documentarian found interesting footage in what was filmed?
Interesting… ETA – does he understand how documentaries are created?
Dump is also a manbaby dumbass.
zhena gogolia
It’s interesting that these auteurs keep getting caught up in the process.
zhena gogolia
@raven: lol
dmsilev
@different-church-lady: We already had Rudy’s unfortunate episode, courtesy of the Borat film crew; haven’t we suffered enough?
mrmoshpotato
Also – can we go back to “pig-facing” the Kremlin’s orange fascist shitstain? It’s still disgusting to see his traitorous face (that’ll never change).
Gin & Tonic
@different-church-lady: Jasiel Correia? Really? And you haven’t shared any juicy stories?
raven
Georgia businessman Mike Collins defeated his Trump-endorsed rival, self-described “Black Donald Trump” Vernon Jones, in the GOP’s 10th Congressional District primary on Tuesday night, according to the Associated Press. With 50 percent of the votes counted just before 9 p.m., Jones, a former Democrat turned “Stop the Steal” rally speaker, was trailing Collins by more than 50 points in the solidly red district. His shellacking comes on the heels of Trump-backed David Perdue’s loss to Brian Kemp in the Georgia GOP gubernatorial primary.
Cameron
@dmsilev: Maybe it’s time for P-Tape II: The White House Years.
Baud
@raven:
GA GOP primaries have been ok in terms of outcomes.
raven
@Baud: Crossover
Baud
@raven:
Good work, GA Dems.
mrmoshpotato
Holy clueless idiots, Batman!
And I hope parts of the footage can be used to slap some of these idiots upside the head. Probably not, but I do hope morons go to prison.
Baud
This hasn’t received enough Nelson Muntz’s ha-ha’s.
SpaceUnit
Trump thought the finished version of this documentary would include a laugh track for every occasion he orders a crime.
Scout211
You mean that Ivanka is two-faced!? What?!
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/before-jan-6-ivanka-said-trump-should-continue-to-fight.html
mrmoshpotato
Now I want one of those big cans of cheddar, butter, and caramel corn.
Scout211
And everybody knows it’s spelled Unpresidented. Duh.
geg6
@JWR:
I read that and literally LOLed. My dogs were giving me funny looks.
Baud
@Scout211:
Good. His British accent will add gravitas to the hearings.
MagdaInBlack
@mrmoshpotato: I was just thinking the same. This calls for some high end popcorn
Ken
Nothing but the best people.
In an earlier thread, someone pointed out this isn’t unprecedented – there was that author who basically camped in the White House taking notes during the first months of Trump’s administration. No one questioned his presence because everyone assumed someone else had OK’d it.
geg6
@Steeplejack:
Never forget that the most glorious time of his life was when he was a reality tv “star.” He loooooooves getting that bloated thing he calls a face on camera and is very used to it. Thanks Mark Burnett!
NotMax
“…and Jared Kushner as the Beaver.”
//
Scout211
@NotMax: Seems more like Eddie Haskell to me.
mrmoshpotato
I just say Dump’s an attention whore who’s fucked in the head.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Incredible. Only Trump’s super bigly galaxy brain could’ve thought it was a brilliant idea to film this. Why the fuck didn’t they tell Holder’s film company to destroy the
filmvideo evidence long before now? I’m glad they didn’t, but it does boggle my mindEdit: Thanks raven. It’s all digital now
sab
@raven: Rachel is also a big fan of John Kasich.
raven
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Film?
ian
@raven: Do you think the vote outcome is more Trump related or more Jones’ skin color?
raven
@sab: Burn her at the stake!!!!
raven
@ian: I think it’s crossover voting. These morons ar going to vote for Herschel.
Immanentize
They all thought they would win. That they would achieve their ends.
This documentary was going to be their Triumph of the Will.
Elizabelle
Finally. NY Times: South Dakota Removes Its Attorney General After Fatal Crash
Jason Ravnsborg, who killed a man with his car in 2020, was removed from office after the State Senate voted to convict him. He was impeached by the House in April.
NutmegAgain
When do those of us in the cheap seats get to see this material? Huh? Huh? looks a lot more exciting than more Law & Order reruns.
NotMax
‘@Scout211
Nah, Giuliani.has that sewn up
And Bannon as Lumpy Rutherford, natch.
Immanentize
@raven: Democracy in this country is on the line and you are worried about TV commentators?!
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Oh wow. Took a while. Surprised they actually did it.
Ohio Mom
The powers of the universe really wants to see Trump in prison.
geg6
@ian:
I’d say it’s both. Because white Gopees in Georgia are loathe to vote for a Black man and Trump keeps picking these stupid, vile Black men because he thinks all Black people are stupid and vile so all the Black people will automatically vote for the Black guy.
Yes, I truly believe this is the case.
Baud
@Ohio Mom:
I guess I am a power of the universe.
Immanentize
@Elizabelle: Fi.NAL.EEE.
the detail that settled it was that the poor guy, who ended up in that jerks windshield? His eyeglasses were found in the AG’s car! Imagine for a moment how they got there.
Geminid
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Donld Trump may be a career criminal, but he’ll never be confused with Professor Moriarty.
Percysowner
Well now that the Republican Party has torched, salted and burned Reagan’s 11th Commandment “Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill Of Any Fellow Republican” maybe the sharper knives in the drawer should institute “Thou Shalt Not Record Any Doing of Crime”. I mean Jeeze! You would think what happened to Tricky Dick would have kept them on their toes, but NOO, they have to have their “legacy” recorded for history. What a bunch of Dumb F*cks.
Mike in NC
Donald J. Trump Sr. Is the biggest fucking asshole alive today whose name isn’t Putin.
raven
@Immanentize: Adjust that snarkometer.
sdhays
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I can’t really call it a plot twist when it’s really just that Wolf guy all over again. They gave him free reign to wander about the White House interviewing people with Tramp’s blessing and encouragement and were shocked when he wrote about what all those awful people were doing and saying about each other.
I mean, at this point I assume at least 50% of the people bumbling around the Tramp campaign were recording everything they saw and heard, either to make money or send to the foreign intelligence service of their choice.
Immanentize
@Percysowner: please let them not think of that rule.
Anne Laurie
That was Michael Wolff. IIRC, there was an *enormous* hue & cry among Trump’s henchmen about Wolff’s ‘access’ when his first book came out — that was the one where he claimed Trump never intended to win, and Melania was ‘sobbing’ on election night because she’d been promised it was all a front. Which didn’t keep Wolff from eking out two more Trump books, with some of the details based on what he’d gleaned from hanging around the WH *after* the first book was published!
Immanentize
@raven: i was adjusted. Snark back atcha!
Baud
@raven:
For you
raven
@geg6: Yea because the white Trumpers who got beat in the primaries had nothing to do with the many democrats who crossed over. See Raffensberger and Kemp.
Cameron
@Geminid: I keep thinking of Blackadder whenever I hear about any of their cunning plans. With Jared as Baldrick, of course.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Elizabelle:
@Baud:
So am I. They even went as far as to bar him from ever holding public office again
raven
@Baud: Yea I saw that yesterday. I didn’t know w ray qualified as a fish. I’ve got video of my having quite a fight with about a 40 pounder in the surf last year, I can’t imagine what that took but I did notice, even thought they said “reeled” there were no pics of his gear.
BC in Illinois
I learned that trick in junior high school, 60 years ago. If I carried a piece of paper, folded in half, nobody assumed that I was skipping class. Everyone assumed that I was on an errand or an assignment or something. The trick was the piece of paper, folded in half.
I did get kicked out of the backstage of the girls’ Home Ec fashion show, which was supposed to be limited to the female half of the school. But I had my piece of paper, folded in half.
NotMax
‘@Cameron
Assiduously Googling for “biggest turnip.”
;)
Elizabelle
@Immanentize: Yes. His face came through the windshield, poor man. Ravnsborg settled with Mr. Boever’s widow; undisclosed amount.
Politico:
catclub
@Steeplejack:
 
Cannot be done.
so I predict trump will say it was set up by Obama and Hillary to bug his white house.
Steeplejack
@geg6:
Live by video, die by video. And no Mark Burnett with the safety net.
Immanentize
@Elizabelle: That detail chills me so.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Anne Laurie:
I wonder how exactly he got access to WH grounds if he wasn’t supposed to be there
karen marie
I scared my cat when I screamed as I read this.
What a bunch of fucking maroons.
NotMax
‘@BC in Illinois
Reminded of the story of the guys who showed up at Abercrombie & Fitch (back when it was a posh sportsmen outfitting store) in rolled up shirtsleeves and crisply pressed trousers, with pads in breast pockets and a pencil behind an ear, and casually walked off with a canoe.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Elizabelle:
So he lied about reaching out to the Boever family? What a dick
Steeplejack
@sdhays:
Free rein.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Rock music
different-church-lady
@Gin & Tonic: 1) I value my anonymity. A lot.
2) He gave absolutely zero clues about being guilty while he was on camera with us. Nothing even vaguely sinister occurred. There are no juicy stories to share (other than the fact that I drove in a rather more reckless fashion following him around on election day than I would ordinarilly…)
3) It’s possible he is such a sociopath that he could be guilty as hell and still come off completely innocent. In the end I was left with no idea.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Huh. O’Donnell reporting that the Senate has voted to “move forward” with the gun safety bill, which I take to mean they’ve gotten it past the filibuster and it will go to a floor vote. I thought they were going to poison-pill it. Fourteen Republicans voted to advance it, including McConnell and Cornyn.
Immanentize
@different-church-lady: I think number three is a serious possibility.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
64 doesn’t beat the filibuster, right? That would require 67 votes?
Ken
Everyone’s making jokes about tapes, what with the Watergate anniversary, but the recordings would be digital. So anyone with access could upload them. I don’t think we’ll be that lucky, though.
Wyatt Salamanca
Nothing is sweeter than the prospect of Trump being done in by his own monumental narcissism. Can’t wait to see the video on Thursday.
Barbara
This is funny. But seriously, anyone involved in a campaign really should expect that anything they say might be recorded somehow by someone. Remember the 47%!
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Percysowner: No, we want them to record their crimes. It makes things much easier for the prosecutors, and harder for their apologists. See Nixon and his recordings, which were simply done for convenient record-keeping.
Ken
I thought you were talking about Ravnsborg until I followed the links back. Pity, I was about to snark about his ability to feel guilt.
Immanentize
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): No 60 is the number.
My bed time.
lurker
@raven: @sab: @raven: @Immanentize: @raven: @Immanentize:
seems like there might be some snark involved here, but…
I saw what Maddow reported last night (generally watch a delayed on-demand version) about Bowers, and the key thing was that he reported essentially in real time to the public what the TFG minions were doing in terms of pressure – which he received as AZ speaker of the house. I know a little about him from slight familiarity with AZ politics – definitely not a fan. However, a la Cheney the younger and the Kinzinger heir, it seems like we need to make a point of providing some praise and support for politicians who do the right thing – that behavior is in short supply pretty much everywhere, and has been in most places for most of history.
Anyway, my two cents. Hoping to see some stuff on the hearings when I catch up on the day later tonight…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Immanentize:
Dammit, I should know that! 67 is for conviction in impeachment. Thanks!
azlib
Reminds me of Nixon’s tapes which were revealed as an aside by Alexander Butterfield during one of the Senate hearings.
lurker
@Immanentize:
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
that number changed in something like 1975 – used to be two thirds of senators _voting_, changed to three-fifth of senators _in office_…
Barbara
@Elizabelle: I forgot that the victim’s glasses were found inside the AG’s car, making it hard to believe he didn’t know he had hit a man. He just tried to brazen it out.
SFBayAreaGal
Does anyone know how the Committee knew about the filming of Trump and Company?
James E Powell
@lurker:
The Republicans on the J6 committee & the ones who are going on record to support the case against Trump are necessary to reduce the impression that it’s just Democrats bitching about Trump.
mrmoshpotato
Already answered.
David Anderson
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): 60 beats the filibuster
Anne Laurie
Wolff had access to the White House, originally, because he was an “old friend” (useful acquaintance) from Trump’s days as a NYC real-estate hustler.
Once he’d started camping out on a couch just outside the Oval Office, nobody in the new crowd dared risk saying anything about this snarky dude cracking rude jokes — he *might* be important enough that Trump wanted him there. At the very least, in a contest between some lowly WH intern and a big-name NY media guy, everyone knew who Trump would choose to believe.
And (again, IIRC — not gonna bother googling) after Wolff’s first book and the related (bad for Trump) publicity… nobody wanted to be in Wolff’s cross-hairs, because there was already reason to believe Trump was gonna be a one-term president, possibly because he’d be in jail (or at least living in a country without an extradiction treaty).
IMO, what historians are going to highlight about the Trump regency is how chaotic the whole thing was. Nobody ever knew for sure what was going on, everybody was lying to each other and/or to themselves, and the guy at the center of the whole conspiracy was a black hole of narcissism and dishonesty. Even Trump himself doesn’t seem to have had a clear idea of what was going on!
Almost Retired
@geg6: I hope that history regards Mark Burnett as the Leni Riefenstahl of our time. Only less artistically effective.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
This was funny, from teh Maddow program tonight:
I’d like to nominate the reporter who says, “No, you’re not, I can see your screen” for Pulitzer. Or at least buy him a couple of jars.
Fake Irishman
@Immanentize:
yep. Also remember that this vote was just to start debate on the shell of a house bill that will be gutted and amended. There’s not a final agreement yet and there are tons of amendments and one more vote to get 60 for cloture on debate before a theoretical final passage.
So there’s real chance something gets done, but a long way to go.
Ken
I’m hoping Jared accidentally mentioned it in his testimony.
In terms of our overused “lazy writers” trope, it’s a sure thing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Kornacki announces that Mo Brooks did not debase himself enough in the mad pursuit to regain Donald trump’s favor. He lost his run-off race for the R nomination. Let the sad trombone ring out.
James E Powell
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The FTFNYT has a soft-focus article about the woman who beat Brooks, praising her for her “savvy” in sucking up to Trump. She strikes me as a bog standard right-wing a hole.
Layer8Problem
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Senator Johnson whips out the paper bag he has for emergencies and yanks it over his head. “HAH! Now you can’t see me! So long suckers!! BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!” Hilarity ensues as the senator runs down the street at great speed, caroming off lampposts.
Suzanne
I am on this weird vacation — spent the first few days of it with my in-laws, so stressful — and I am just dreading going back to real life. I have never been the type to want to go off-grid, but this pandemic and the entire Trump admin has really broken me. How much does it cost to secede from society?
BigJimSlade
@mrmoshpotato: objection sustained!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9cWgkpIZ4
Scout211
@SFBayAreaGal:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-inner-circle-footage-january-6-committee-1717793
A little more background in this article. It’s unclear who leaked the existence of the documentary but it sounds like Holder couldn’t release it until recently.
Edited for clarity
stinger
@Suzanne: Hang in there. Little kids can now get the covid vaccine, and the January 6 hearings are going extremely well. There is reason for hope!
NotMax
‘@Suzanne
As the old saying has it, if you have to ask you can’t afford it.
;)
SFAW
@NotMax:
I got tired of the canoe, sold it to some sucker, and bought a kayak with the proceeds.
Omnes Omnibus
@TaMara:
At least Nixon kept control of his tapes. These clowns let outside parties in to film them criming.
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
They didn’t have the legal right to do order Holder to destroy it.
Soprano2
@BC in Illinois: A clipboard with a piece of paper on it works, too.
prostratedragon
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Good. So is kitty cat blues right below it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
interesting, I’ve been wondering about the schedule. I think their flexibility has been a strength
I think it was Adam Schiff who said the other day, “We know more today than we did last week”. I wonder if these tapes are what they know now, or if there’s even more they didn’t know a week ago.
Suzanne
@NotMax:
I know I can’t afford it, that’s one of the things that makes modern capitalism/the death of democracy so terrifying!
I just wish I had hope that my kids’ lives would be better, you know? I don’t, and that is exhausting on a deep level.
Ben Cisco
@James E Powell:
This is an accurate take. UA Law grad, tossed integrity in the trash to hitch her wagon to Lump. Campaign commercials and billboards touting his endorsement.
At least Brooks told the truth about Orangemandius a couple of times. Britt never will.
My state falls a little further…
mrmoshpotato
@BigJimSlade: Thanks. And good song (I know it.)
BigJimSlade
@Ohio Mom: I’m not so sure about the powers of the universe, but I sure as hell do.
BigJimSlade
@mrmoshpotato: :-) Yeah, lol, the song wasn’t too obscure.
James E Powell
@Ben Cisco:
You & all our blue friends in red states have my sympathy.
James E Powell
@BigJimSlade:
Smokey! Major player on the soundtrack of my life.
Ruckus
@different-church-lady:
One wonders if they really are that pompous, that arrogant, that entitled, or just that plain fucking stupid to not understand that professionally filming your crimes might just be a step too far at the end of the day, especially a crime as big as this one.
Medicine Man
Doubtless already said in this thread, but these mopes needed to learn the Stringer Bell rule of note–taking during a criminal conspiracy.
Ruckus
@dmsilev:
schadenhubris
A good word, worthy of the moment for sure, but.
The concept, the balls, just the out of the park temerity, would this word actually define this? It seems like just one word can never be descriptive enough of this entire crew of morons, idiots, dipshits, assholes, pricks and their hangers on.
Ruckus
@Mike in NC:
I absolutely know that you did not just figure this out.
Ruckus
@Anne Laurie:
“Even Trump himself doesn’t seem to have had a clear idea of what was going on!”
He never actually does. He has a smidgen that it is or isn’t going in his direction, but an actual idea? None. He was born a fuck up, he’s remained one his entire life, he ain’t changing now.
sukabi
@different-church-lady: yes they do, they’ve just suffered no real consequences so far, and they were convinced their plot would be successful. This was a documentary to show everyone just how f’n smart they were….which it does….who else thinks to document their crime spree?
zhena gogolia
@lurker:
Thank you. This simple point seems to escape a lot of people here.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@zhena gogolia: Fine, they get a cookie. But they’re disqualified from the top-shelf gourmet cookies, because they’re still trying to turn America into a theocratic police state, even if their scruples force them to stop short of an actual violent coup.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@NotMax: yup. Act as if you have every right to be where you are and have the right props. A hard hat and metal clipboard along with button down shirt and a tie. Of course it is more likely for the ruse to work if you are a white male…
Booger
To be clear, when Stringer Bell first set up the ‘co-op,’ IIRC it was stated that meetings would follow Roberts Rules of Order. So having meeting minutes would be a given. He clearly didn’t think that part through, probably because he was attending a community college and not an Ivy like Jared, our other favorite fictional criminal mastermind.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Suzanne: I spent a week off work, away from home, including weekends helping my daughter and son in law with their baby. It was exhausting because she has colic but the best most relaxing week in forever. So hard to go back to work.
satby
Well, while waiting for a morning thread, let me wish the blogfather a very Happy Birthday.
Steeplejack
@satby:
Yes! Happy birthday, Cole.
Also the birthday of (possibly former) commenters Juice Box and Jay C.
ETA: Morning thread up now.
bbleh
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): No. 67 is 2/3 and is necessary to override vetoes or convict in case of impeachment. Filibuster rule is 60.
Paul in KY
The Nazis also documented, with typical Teutonic thouroughness, their many atrocities.
Paul in KY
@sdhays: I think of the British guy in The Simpsons who tried to make a documentary there.
moops
They were fine filming because they thought they were not doing anything illegal. Politics is a contact sport and they were playing for keeps and other vapid rationalizations. It was a legal battle, a PR battle, but it is all fair in a war like this. If they prevailed this would be the gutsy story about their recovery from a loss in the Electoral College that was saved by the scrappy White House team. They thought they were the underdog heroes of this story.
Nobody said the word ‘coup’ or ‘sedition’ and these chuckleheads thought it was like quid pro quo and if you never say it then it is all up for debate.
Medicine Man
@Paul in KY: I’ve wondered about that before and I don’t think it is a product of Teutonic efficiency. All the fash may be united in their desires, but the trigger-pullers want their marching orders in writing, so they can’t be easily thrown under the bus (bad apples, etc.). The higher-ups love their plausible deniability too much to be trustworthy.
S Cerevisiae
@BC in Illinois: You can walk around anywhere if you look worried and carry a clipboard.
J R in WV
@sdhays:
Or one more reason to record everything around you in the White House… to protect yourself when the indictments fly around those gormless fools heads. May be a more popular reason than “foreign intelligence” agencies. But I like your train of thought.
J R in WV
@BC in Illinois:
In one spell of my IT career I was a contractor on a team working for a local natural gas pipeline corp. At times we worked 60 hours a week, at other times we had almost nothing to do for up to a couple of weeks at a time.
I quickly figured out that someone walking around with a big folder with a legal pad and some documents hanging out of it was never perceived as someone without enough work to do.
I was perceived as someone gathering data for my analysis and design work. Hourly rate was the same, and I got to visit and chat with the many other professional IT folks working on a major national gas pipeline company.
Finally after my primary task was way past completed, I begged my project manager for a firm out date. Feb 1st Wife and I left for a 6 week visit in FLA with my parents. They very much wanted me around — just in case something went wrong with the conversion system my team had built.
J R in WV
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
IIRC the filibuster right now needs a 60 vote to override it.
Paul in KY
@Medicine Man: Could be. Agree that military orders need to be in writing.