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New 1/6 Hearing – Tomorrow

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The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol will hold a hearing Tuesday at 1 p.m. Eastern.

The committee, in a statement, said it will “present recently obtained evidence and receive witness testimony” during this hearing. The previously-unannounced meeting will be the panel’s sixth in a series.

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  1. 1.

    schrodingers_cat

    India is truly entering dark times. From proto-fascist to full bore fascism.

    Mohammed Zubair the co-founder of a fact checking platform Alt.News has been arrested

    As has Teesta Setalvad who has worked tirelessly to highlight Modi’s culpability in 2002 pogrom in Gujarat.

  2. 2.

    livewyre

    Yesss. Let’s keep the drumbeat going. Before the anti-choice message solidifies, even.

  5. 5.

    germy shoemangler

    Ginni Thomas, here’s your chance to set the record straight.  Testify!

  8. 8.

    germy shoemangler

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s an achievement to be the dumb one in that family.

    Reminds me of Ian Stewart, who was kicked out of the Rolling Stones for being too ugly.

    Too ugly to be a Rolling Stone?  Quite an achievement.

  9. 9.

    germy shoemangler

    ⚡️ After four months of being detained in Russia, WNBA star Brittney Griner, 31, has a trial date set for July 1.

    She was arrested for cannabis possession in the country in February. https://t.co/zoCxDL31KO

    — New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) June 27, 2022

  12. 12.

    Scout211

    Any clue (or guess) about what the J6 hearing will cover tomorrow?

    My guess:  it will be clips from and testimony about Unprecedented.

  13. 13.

    Villago Delenda Est

    I wonder what prompted this.  I’ll bet it is all new stuff, and it is mind blowing.

  15. 15.

    hueyplong

    Knowing who is on the committee, I can only assume an out-of-nowhere, surprise hearing is a very good thing.

  16. 16.

    Hildebrand

    Makes me wonder if Discovery+ was going to start rolling out promo footage of the documentary and the committee wanted to get their take on it out there before everyone could play twitter sleuth and muddy the waters.

  17. 17.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Scout211: that’s Marcy Wheeler’s speculation

    emptywheel @emptywheel 1h
    Given how much press Alex Holder is doing, I wonder if this is to pre-empt any more leaks.

    Seems plausible. The committee seems to have a very good feel for how to release information

  20. 20.

    Martin

    @O. Felix Culpa: I would argue that this should be called proto-fascism at this stage.

    I don’t see any real advocacy for fascism as a political philosophy. None of these people would call themselves fascists. But they are happy to employ all of the methods of fascism.

    It’s a minor distinction but its one that will be used probably pretty  aggressively to discredit the folks calling them fascists. I’m guessing it’s just a matter of time before they start to drop the facade and start advocating for fascism outright, but in the US they’ll just be ‘conservatives’ because let’s be honest here, that’s not a political philosophy.

  24. 24.

    Jackie

    Pat Cipollone?

    If The Committee manages to keep the mystery guest(s) a secret, tomorrow is def Must See TV.

    This is going to torture TFG!

  27. 27.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Martin:

    I don’t see any real advocacy for fascism as a political philosophy. None of these people would call themselves fascists. But they are happy to employ all of the methods of fascism.

    It’s a minor distinction but its one that will be used probably pretty aggressively to discredit the folks calling them fascists.

    Any ideas on how to effectively counter that?

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Jackie:

    If The Committee manages to keep the mystery guest(s) a secret, tomorrow is def Must See TV.

    Blindfolds all in place, panel? Then will our mystery guest enter and SIGN IN PLEASE!

  29. 29.

    citizen dave

    Ian Stewart had quite the chin. I have the Boogie for Stu cd, whereby boogie piano Ben Waters and his band raised money for Stewart. The key Stones guest on it. Good stuff. Charlie himself played with that band–the A, B, C and D of Boogie.

  32. 32.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Martin: I once had a white supremacist argue with me on Twitter because I had called him a Nazi.  As with that interaction, I am not really interested in debating whether these people are proto-fascists or full fat, whole milk, actual fascists.

    ETA: As far as what they call themselves goes, I suspect they say they are decent human beings too.

  34. 34.

    livewyre

    @Martin: It clears things up for me to think of fascism as a process rather than as an artifact – to perform fascism, for instance. That way it doesn’t have to meet a precise list of technical criteria in order to be recognized for the flow of its historical and ongoing effects.

    @O. Felix Culpa: Or just this.

  35. 35.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Reminds me of the Russians who proudly talk of defeating Nazi Germany in the Great Patriotic War, yet still act like fascists themselves

  37. 37.

    livewyre

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): My approach is philosophical; to pursue principles that can define, contain, and supersede the continuing remnants of supremacy in every form. There are things all of us do that have tiny splinters of it embedded in as assumptions, and the more we observe and question those, the less territory it has to hide in.

    This is what’s meant by systemic racism, for instance – things we don’t even realize we’re doing to gently and politely shut others out on the basis of casual prejudice, even those assigned the same as us, and things that we therefore have the opportunity to change. It may just mean getting a little less comfortable for a bit until we settle into each new context. It’s work, but work that’s available for each of us to do.

    edit: To elaborate a bit more, when we talk about “fascists” or “nazis”, we could mean those who are so consumed by prejudice that they consistently direct their actions towards putting prejudice into policy. The ones who recruit by putting it into subtext or even explicit articles-of-secession-style wording, even more so. But it’s not about them. That’s their biggest mistake. It’s about what they’re doing.

  38. 38.

    Betty Cracker

    My guess is the hearing is about the documentary to forestall more leaks from promos (as was said above). Seems unlikely the committee would hastily put together a hearing for people who would essentially be hostile witnesses (Cipollone or Brooks) since I assume that takes a lot more prep. In fact, going by what I read about Brooks’ conditions, the committee should tell him to fuck off or pursue unconditional cooperation via subpoena.

  39. 39.

    Captain C

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): For Russians, the sin of the Nazi party was invading Russia (yes, the USSR, but for all intents and purposes the same thing here).  The genocide, anti-Semitism, and conquering of places not formerly in the Russian Empire or as part of the spoils of Molotov-Ribbentrop are non-issues as far as they are concerned.  Thus, when they accuse someone of being a Nazi, it just means anti-Russian, regardless of their politics.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Captain C: from what I’ve read, Russians use “Nazi” the way Republicans use “Communist” and “Socialist”. It just means “Peoples I hates!”

  41. 41.

    ...now I try to be amused

    @Martin:

    I don’t see any real advocacy for fascism as a political philosophy. None of these people would call themselves fascists. But they are happy to employ all of the methods of fascism.

    And the methods of Leninism as well.

  44. 44.

    Martin

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Resist the use of *your* labels and embrace theirs. They’re still very reliant on ‘conservatism’ having this soft edge about it. In a way, calling them fascists allows them to deny that they horrible things they want are ‘conservative’, so give them that. Be very thoughtful about what you ascribe to ‘conservatism’, ‘Republicans’ and so on. This is just branding, and they don’t want the bad stuff associated with the brand, so choose your words so that the are unavoidably connected.

    In other words, don’t give them the chance to deny they are fascists, make them deny that having kids murdered at school is a part of conservative philosophy.

  45. 45.

    Jackie

    @zhena gogolia: It’s sure entertaining watching the TeeVee talking heads trying to speculate, while “not speculating” what came up to rush an unexpected hearing. Urgency and emergency  are the words most used.

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    this fuckin’ guy

    “I’m OK. I mean, I’m in pain,” Giuliani told Bannon. “The guy knocked me forward two or three steps. Luckily, I didn’t fall.”

    Giuliani suggested that he could have “died,” citing an uncle who passed away after falling down.

    and the kicker… Looks like even the Murdochs  think the wet-brained old lush is making a fool of himself

    Giuliani complained that Fox News had instead reported on Lee Zeldin, who is challenging his son for New York governor.

    “But the fact that the mayor of New York, one of the only two living ex-mayors of New York and probably, I’d say modestly, the most famous was assaulted is not even on Fox,” Giuliani said. “Even if Putin got assaulted it would be on Fox.”

  49. 49.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:“Even if Putin got assaulted it would be on Fox.”

    I mean, that’s true. Tucker Carlson would be aghast at Democrats saying mean things about Putin. He literally screams about this every night.

  50. 50.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    What a wuss. I saw that video. The employee patted Ghoulini on the back, he didn’t hit him. I guarantee if he had been a supporter, Ghoulini would not have pressed assault charges and had the guy arrested

  52. 52.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @MisterForkbeard:

    Imagine defending a butcher like Putin that even most Republicans have come to despise. Didn’t he get the memo that Ukrainians are white, so conservative white Americans by and large are sympathetic to them?

  54. 54.

    M31

    pretty sure the new 1/6 hearing is because of the leaked footage

    the leaked footage of Giuliani getting VICIOUSLY ASSAULTED

    the entire hearing will be just playing that footage over and over

    with Yakkity Sax

    can’t wait

  55. 55.

    Gin & Tonic

    After people crowdfunded $15 million to purchase three Bayraktar drones for Ukraine, the company that makes them announced that it will not accept payment, but that the funds should be donated for humanitarian relief (IOW it is donating the drones.)

    Baykar’dan duyuru!
    *
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    Оголошення від Baykar! pic.twitter.com/VQxZ5s2jnY
    — BAYKAR (@BaykarTech) June 27, 2022

  58. 58.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Captain C:

    That’s just so bizarre to me, how they can just simply ignore all the similarities and still rail against Nazis. THEY DID THE SAME SHIT YOU’RE DOING RIGHT NOW! You don’t just to get claim how good and noble you are and then turn right around and commit the same atrocities those villains you defeated did

  59. 59.

    rikyrah

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I am sorry that this is happening in your home country.

    I wish folks would understand the dangers of this, and how we have to fight against it.

    I know that this has cost you familial relationships :(

  61. 61.

    Ruff the Dog

    Seems to be a great deal of cognitive dissonance among many non-fascists, that somehow we’ll still have all the nice things and democracy etc. is just politics. That our societal wealth is ala carte and not interconnected, pick and choose the things you like. We don’t have enough simple examples of what throwing out the government means. even safe air travel and pure food and safe cars seem to be too abstract for these folk. Maybe the first time they have to slip a bribe to get their fishing license.

  62. 62.

    CCL

    @Martin:

    In other words, don’t give them the chance to deny they are fascists, make them deny that having kids murdered at school is a part of conservative philosophy.

    Thanks, Martin. This is a really important point.  Tarnish the brand.

  63. 63.

    livewyre

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The distinction is: it’s not because of what the Nazis did, but because of who they were. Attacking Russia (and breaking the pact) just showed who they were. In that model, whatever the “right ones” do is right, and whatever the “wrong ones” do is wrong. Then you just have to make sure the atrocities are restricted to the “right” targets.

    Right now, Ukraine as a national identity is the target, and associating them with Nazis is just a way of marking them as the “wrong ones”. That means anything that happens to them can be excused in order to consider oneself “right”, from the same standpoint that excuses anything the Nazis did that wasn’t against Russia. Actions become irrelevant – only identity counts.

  64. 64.

    cain

    @O. Felix Culpa: Fascism ultimately fails – it provides nothing to the population except more and more rules. Nobody likes being caged.

    Fascism is always the reaction to rapid and sudden trauma to the body politic. Lots of things are changing and they are going to continue to change.

  65. 65.

    livewyre

    @Ruff the Dog: Yes, thank you – we can’t carry on as a society without the least of us, no matter how that’s defined. The task is raising the floor rather than living in the rafters. That’s why it’s so difficult.

  69. 69.

    lowtechcyclist

    @brantl:

    Their methods, beliefs and methods are fascistic, it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck and has the DNA of a duck. QED, it’s a duck.

    Yeah, that’s where I am.

    I’m OK with people who represent the Democratic Party in a more tangible sense and having actual followings taking the other course and making conservatism itself radioactive.

    But no reason why people like you and me can’t call a duck a duck, and call a fascist a fascist.

  70. 70.

    Amir Khalid

    @germy shoemangler:

    Stu wasn’t kicked out of the Rolling Stones, exactly. He stayed on as a recording/touring sideman, and as tour manager, until the end of his life. Andrew Loog Oldham thought him too ugly for the Stones; but he cofounded the band, and was essential to its sound. Keef still considers it Stu’s band.

  71. 71.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’ve had an argument like that too. As far as I could tell, the main reason the guy didn’t want to be associated with Hitler was that Hitler lost

    I remember he did a bunch of “ironic” joshing in the meantime about how the Freikorps was coming to shoot me. Charming guy.

  72. 72.

    Matt McIrvin

    @cain: It can take a long time. The totally-not-fascism of Francisco Franco hung on for decades and still has Spanish fans. It only fell when it did because of a lucky break depending on one guy (turned out the new King was just pretending to be a good Falangist).

    As did the herrenvolk republic in South Africa, which is probably closer to what our Republicans want.

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