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Baud
You are a peach.
WaterGirl
@Baud: You know I was only thinking of you. :-)
Baud
Do we know Biden’s secret service code name?
schrodingers_cat
Orange Error is no Mogul he is closer to Mir Jaffer who invited Robert Clive to plunder Bengal. The last Mogul fought the British in the first war of independence and was exiled to Burma.
JWR
Okay, Cassidy’s walking back to her place. And gavel.
hueyplong
Thanks.
This site is my sole source right now.
Scout211
I wonder if Holder has any clips of the ketchup or dishes thrown against the wall? Must-see TeeVee
Anyway
Reposting–
C’mon, NO way TFG knows how to drive …
Betty Cracker
Now they’re going to talk about what Hutchinson heard in the White House as the attack unfolded.
Steeplejack
@WaterGirl:
Nice thread segue.
Betty Cracker
Cheney talks about corrupt pardons of Stone and Flynn.
Kent
Damn….
So Trump literally wanted to PERSONALLY lead an armed mob to the Capitol?
Do I have that right?
JWR
Roger Stone and the Proud Boys performing their latest hit, Insurrection Day!
Scout211
The Willard Hotel now.
zhena gogolia
@Kent: Yep.
Baud
That’s a hard question.
SoupCatcher
Flynn’s deer-in-the-headlights profile in courage.
Betty Cracker
Cowardly Flynn taking the Fifth over and over. What a piece of shit.
Martin
@Kent: Yeah. Pretty sure this is going to get way worse over the next hour given the current setup.
Baud
Whatever happened to the NSA listening to all of our calls and reading our texts?
CaseyL
Great time for my laptop to decide it doesn’t want to connect to the Internet anymore.
Martin
@Baud: Well, if you believe that the government should be overthrown, then you have a choice of lying or answering in favor of a coup. So yeah, fifth is the right solution. But it’s only the right solution if that’s what you believe.
Just One More Canuck
@Betty Cracker: “Do you believe in the peaceful transition of power?”
Flynn: “Fifth”
citizen dave
Of course TFG is target one today, but it seems Meadows is coming off terribly. Out of it, always scrolling on his phone
Baud
“He doesn’t want to do anything, Pat.”
Baud
The Oval Office has its own dining room.
Immanentize
I love the poetic juxtaposition of ketchup dripping down the while house walls white insurrectionists we’re smearing shit on the halls of Congress.
This needs a four hundred stanza poem written in trochaic octameter!
Baud
“He thinks Mike deserves it.”
Martin
Remember Liz’s expression to Jim Jordan on 1/6:
Liz knew on the day.
HumboldtBlue
HANG MIKE PENCE!
Scout211
Meadows seems nice.
MisterDancer
@Baud: https://nz.news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-kamala-harris-secret-code-names-045749650.html
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize: Yeah
Baud
@MisterDancer:
Thanks!
Omnes Omnibus
Jebus. That is all.
RandomMonster
“He thinks Mike deserved it”
WOW
zhena gogolia
“the good things he had done for the country” haha
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: “Celtic”. Harris is “Pioneer”.
Scout211
The good things he did for the country? Oh, Cassidy, no.
Betty Cracker
“We were watching the Capitol get defaced over a lie.” — Hutchinson
Alison Rose
@MisterDancer: I was hoping it might be Aviators. But I love the Veep’s being Pioneer :D
Leto
@Martin: Gym needs to be forever grateful he didn’t have a hunting accident that day.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker: BOOM today’s catchphrase
along with “ketchup dripping down the wall”
Immanentize
@JWR: Sung also by the Four Horsemen:
Insurrection Day:
Betty Cracker
@Baud: Your code name would be Pooh Bear. (He also lacks pants.)
scav
@Immanentize: How bout a map of the US showing red states as ketchup smears with the broken crockery and constitution lying below?
(clearly I was destined to be a Geographer, not an English major)
debbie
DeVos grew a pair?
different-church-lady
@MisterDancer: What good is a code name if everybody knows it?
Dorothy A. Winsor
Admiring Betsy DeVos is a step too far for me
MisterDancer
In my opinion, she’s been in that comfy Conservative bubble, and that bubble be strong. :(
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
:-)
You’re going to get a plum patronage post for that.
Omnes Omnibus
@zhena gogolia: @Scout211: Actually that strengthens her testimony. She’s not a Never Trumper; she is a true believer describing what she witnessed.
ETA: It also means she is at best a complete nut at as a person. But good and sane people were thin on the ground during all this.
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I know, right? Bizarro world!
Immanentize
@MisterDancer: Is that pronounced “Keltic?” or the proper pronunciation, “Seltic?”
misterpuff
@Betty Cracker:
I thought that was Xi Jinping’s Secret Service handle!
zhena gogolia
@Omnes Omnibus: I know, I just can’t stomach it
dww44
@Scout211: they all believe this. It boggles my mind. I’d like to see a list.
scav
@Scout211: Still, that’ll twist the knife a wee bit: even his adoring doormat bringers of coffee are testifying about ketchup flinging and tantrums.
Immanentize
@different-church-lady:
You don’t listen to much rap music, do you.
hilts
@HumboldtBlue:
Given his jaw-dropping ineptitude and lack of self-awareness, the chant should have been “Hang Mike Dense”
Alison Rose
@zhena gogolia: Honestly, I shouldn’t have, but I LOL’d so hard at that moment. Of course it was fucking ketchup.
Baud
This is just like what Stephen Colbert’s staff did.
Beth
The folks who participated in the insurrection will just love this bit about Trump wanting to go to the Capitol. They’ll say he really knows how to fight. They’ll love that he tried to gain control of the car. They don’t see that violence in this situation is treasonous, seditious. Of course it’s seditious, venal, and repugnant, but this testimony will bring comfort to those who hate on the majority of voters and Americans who actually believe in a United States of laws, not autocrats.
MisterDancer
It’s like a callsign.
All the actual comms of any import are using milspec encryption. Celtic and Pioneer just allow them to say who it’s about very clearly, using short words unlikely to be reused in other contexts in these comms.
Immanentize
@dww44: The List:
1. Put those people in their place and allowed us to say Nig{CLANG}.
2. #1, but WITH guns!
Alison Rose
Laura Ingraham, or as I will forever think of her thanks to John Oliver, “sentient plantation wedding”
Mallard Filmore
@MisterDancer:
I must have a personality disorder. How do all these fine, hardworking, ambitious people look past the baby snatching?
That is something I cannot forgive, even in my brother.
[EDIT: damn sticky “s”]
apocalipstick
@Immanentize: I was thinking John Greenleaf Whittier and couplets.
Alison Rose
@Baud: No way, Triumph is Antifa
Omnes Omnibus
@Leto: The Cheneys are patient.
Amir Khalid
@Immanentize:
I think it’s always “Keltik”, except when mentioning Glasgow Seltik FC or the Boston Seltiks.
Paul in KY
@SoupCatcher: If there’s any shame in the Marines, they will call him back to active duty, bust him to PFC, and then court martial him for his crimes.
scav
Or, for the 4th of July, let’s all play a rousing game of Pin the Ketchup on the Oval Office!
Ramalama
Is Mark Meadows in a shitpile of trouble?
Asking lawyers and everybody else.
Immanentize
@misterpuff: No, Xi’s is, of course, “Jinah”
SiubhanDuinne
O/T, but Ghislaine Maxwell got sentenced to 20 years.
Good. She’s a monster.
lee
I still am impressed with Ms Hutchinson. She might have worked for an immoral bag of shit, but I think she finally realized how bad Jan 6th is and had her come to Jesus moment. I’m glad she had the fortitude to do the right thing unlike almost all of her coworkers.
I’m sure she is in fear of her safety.
Scout211
25th Amendment now in the house.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Leto
@Paul in KY: He’s retired Army, but understand your point.
Immanentize
@apocalipstick: I can see that too! I was thinking Longfellow and Hiawatha.
UncleEbeneezer
I’m saving the hearings for after work tonight, so I can watch Wimbledon (Go Serena!!) But following some of the developments here and on Twitter.
Omnes Omnibus
@Paul in KY: As much as I want to disclaim him, Flynn was army. Kelly was the jarhead.
Paul in KY
@Mallard Filmore: They are ambitious.
geg6
@Immanentize:
Hard C. Bostonians have no idea how to pronounce the word, which is a disgrace to their Irish ancestors. ;-)
hueyplong
@lee: Unlike all of her coworkers.
Immanentize
@Amir Khalid: Me too, but as a near-Boston dweller, I had to ask!
Immanentize
@Paul in KY: And his little brother too!!
scav
@SiubhanDuinne: !! Ha.
PaulWartenberg
So, here’s thread 2 of OHMYFUCKINGGOD Day here with AS THE TRUMP TANTRUMS soap opera continues.
“Holy Shit” is basically the entirety of my twitter feed right now.
Steeplejack
@Scout211:
You have to remember that she was a faithful true believer. May still be, despite presenting herself today as demure, retiring and retroactively shocked by it all. The whole list of employers on her C.V. is like a Who’s Who of GQP villainy.
MisterDancer
It’s Pronounced “Heck if I know.”
JPL
Where’s Melania?
Alison Rose
@Immanentize: I thought it was Winnie
zhena gogolia
@UncleEbeneezer: It’s a must.
Immanentize
@Ramalama: Why yes, yes he is. But his real exposure is not from the J6 Cmmt, but from the DOJ. I assume he is not working with the Cmmt to keep as much as he can from DOJ.
Paul in KY
@Omnes Omnibus: My bad Omnes and Leto! just missed being able to edit that. My apologies to the Marine Corps!
Felanius Kootea
Ketchup on the walls! Truly a toddler-in-chief.
geg6
@SiubhanDuinne:
Not enough AFAIC. Disgusting creature.
Immanentize
@lee:
Her Jesus doesn’t care about this. I think she had a come-to-the-law moment.
Steeplejack
@debbie:
No, just getting off the crazy train a stop or two early. CYA.
Paul in KY
@Immanentize: I thought he was the less-seditious, more ‘non criminal’ one than his weirdo traitor brother?
Scout211
Ooh. Meadows asked for a pardon.
Immanentize
@geg6: ☘️
zhena gogolia
I need the third cigarette I’ve ever smoked in my life.
lee
I just realized that Ms. Cheney is referring to Trump as ‘Mr Trump’.
Twist that knife in Trump every fucking time you get a chance.
David Anderson
And now the pardon discussion on Guiliani and Meadows….
Baud
Pardon list!
Immanentize
@Scout211: sweet. Trump must have been so pissed to not do an Oprah with pardons.
Gin & Tonic
@SiubhanDuinne: Wow. I didn’t expect that.
JoyceH
Meadows wanted a pardon? What’s the charge, felonious phone staring? Because it sure sounds like staring at his phone is about all he ever did.
zhena gogolia
Go Liz!!!
Alison Rose
Shorter Cheney: Fuck you bitches who won’t come talk to us.
Mo Salad
@MisterDancer: but the “H” is silent.
I picked the wrong day to get 9 hours of remote CPE in from home. Or maybe the right day. Got you guys and Seth Abramson’s Twitter feed on two tabs on my home machine and the webinar on the work machine.
citizen dave
Here we go. Witness tampering. Cheney closing statement
Steeplejack
Uh-oh, a final bombshell?!
ETA: Yep. Attempts to influence witnesses!
Immanentize
@lee: Well, “Mister” is traditionally the correct prefix for a male president. It’s that man of the people thing.
Scout211
Oh, this is the OMERTA warning from the Trump crime family.
debbie
Are these “witness statements” the light perjury everyone’s mentioned?
zhena gogolia
We’re in The Godfather now.
Leto
These ending texts read like mob threats.
Fair Economist
And now proof of witness tampering.
Bombshells without end. Thermonuclear bombshells!
Martin
I’m struck by how good of an episode of Its Always Sunny this would have made.
Martin
@Leto: They *are* mob threats.
Alison Rose
@zhena gogolia: except these people are exponentially dumber than the Corleone family
citizen dave
Mic drop from Cheney. Bennie addressing reluctant witnesses: you will fail. If suddenly you remember things you couldn’t recall…etc…our door remains open.
Alison Rose
Thompson is like, hey fuckers, try growing a spine and give us a call
HumboldtBlue
@SiubhanDuinne:
Good
Ramalama
“A person wants you to know…”
Leto
“If you discover some courage you had…” loooool
James E Powell
@MisterDancer:
Question: Do they pronounce the code name Celtic with hard or a soft c? I mean, is it about the Boston NBA team or the Indo-European peoples
@Immanentize:
I’m always late & I never scroll down to check responses.
zhena gogolia
They keep topping themselves!
Fair Economist
“Those whose memories have failed them again and again on the most important details.”
LOL! Chairman Thompson certainly has a way with words!
Immanentize
@Paul in KY: only by comparison. There is some evidence developing that he was involved in preventing reinforcements on J6. Also, wasn’t he on the dias that day?
Less involved, perhaps, but up to his armpits if not his neck.
geg6
And now we’re going to get to witness tampering in another hearing.
Yo. I can’t believe how awesome all these hearings, even this one set up on the fly, have been. Every one of them with new revelations and a cliff hanger. Well done!
JWR
Ooo! Somebody, (TFG or similar), intimidating witnesses just before their depositions. Yeah, kid, dis is Big Donny, and I know yer gonna do duh right ting by me tomorrow, aniright?
Scout211
Oh my. Cassidy must be exhausted. I feel like I need a nap myself.
Alison Rose
Dang. To quote the philosopher GWB, that was some weird shit
Baud
@Fair Economist:
Yeah, that was beautiful.
Steeplejack
The walls ran red with ketchup.
Ramalama
@Immanentize: Ah, right. I had to listen (well, I enjoyed it) to the 5th Day hearing maybe 3 times total because so much was jam packed. Day 5 was DOJ-heavy.
lee
@Immanentize:
It is supposed to be ‘Mr President’ or ‘President Trump’ even after leaving office.
She’s just going with Mr Trump.
Immanentize
@citizen dave: This reminder about memory is a direct reference, I suspect, to Hutchinson.
Immanentize
@zhena gogolia: Uhhh, language?
debbie
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Paging Subaru Diane…
Delk
Tear down the magnetometers
Hang the blessed VP
misterpuff
Just putting together the scenes from the movie about Jan 6 in my head.
It’s gonna be a comedy blockbuster: “All The President’s Minions”.
Maybe TFG will be palatable in animation, certainly not in live action.
I guess he may palatable with enough Ketchup!
debbie
One other good thing is that Gym is hot doo doo.
Steeplejack
Katy Tur just made an (inadvertently) funny remark. Talking about Trump not wanting to act to stop the violence at the Capitol: “He had to be convinced by his lawyers, his family, his aides—Sean Hannity!”
JWR
@Ramalama: Yeah, I had to give the DOJ hearing a couple listens, just to grok the enormity of it all.
Immanentize
@lee: only when addressing them directly, not when talking about them. See NYT style guide.
EarthWindFire
@Scout211: She’s young and interned for Cancun Ted and some other wingnut. In fact, she’s young enough (2019 college grad) that she shouldn’t have been in some of the meetings she was in. I admire her ability to come forth after being in some rarified air that young.
Like lee @77, I think she may have had a come to Jesus moment but full conversion doesn’t happen overnight.
Scout211
@debbie: They really teased his involvement. I hope that means he will be more in the spotlight soon.
cain
Brilliant hearing today ..
I hope that this will lead to the best outcome.
Speaking of outcomes. Looks like Snyder is getting away scot-free in regards to Flint. Justice denied.
Sister Golden Bear
They’re never gonna get the ketchup stains off the walls at Mar-a-Lago.
Ramalama
This new “Hearings” series by the Democrats, letting the Republicans step on their own dicks, is must-see tv.
Whoever is in charge of making everything so clear and compelling, while also forcing congress people from speaking in 5 min increments should be heralded.
debbie
In case you want to review those threats:
Soprano2
Just wow, holy fuck – that was something else. That was some mobbed-up shit in those phone messages, wasn’t it?
debbie
@Sister Golden Bear:
Fuck Mar-a-Lago. He defaced the White House!
Captain C
@Alison Rose : They seem right on par with the gangs from Goodfellas and Casino, though. Even the ones who once seemed smart now have an extensive record of really dumb decisions.
Scout211
Ha ha ha ha!
Trump’s aides left speechless by Hutchinson’s testimony
MisterDancer
@Delk: Few things make me angrier, on a personal level, than Steven Patrick Morrissey being a long-time racist shitheel.
I LOVED THE SMITHS.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
I’ll sing you one-oh!
Red runs the ketchup-oh!
What is your one-oh?
One is ketchup on the wall
And ever more shall be so.
feebog
And Lizl Cheney drops a witness tampering bombshell at the end. “A person” or as we fondly call him the Orange Shitgibbon.
Kent
Wow….so much happening today.
BBC notification on my phone says that at today’s NATO meeting, Turkey just reversed its opposition to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. That is huge. The US must have bought them off in some way. I expect Biden’s “behind closed doors” hands are all over that.
hueyplong
@Scout211: For now Gym gets to twist in the wind. I’m ok with that, so long as he eventually faces consequences.
karen marie
My takeaway, after watching the entire hearing today, is that the real purpose was Chair Thompson’s statement at the end – “we know witnesses have lied, we have them dead to rights.”
Just prior to the hearing, after I’d seen who the witness was, I googled Cassidy Hutchinson, and read a short story in Politico (yeah, I know) about her recently firing her Trump-associated lawyer and hiring a someone who worked with Jeff Sessions in the past. Hutchinson’s Trump lawyer had a significant conflict of interest and was likely giving her advice to protect Trump, exposing Hutchinson to the very real possibility of criminal charges.
Delk
@MisterDancer: I agree.
JPL
@Sister Golden Bear:
I think he’s in NJ, but your point stands.
lee
@Immanentize:
I’ll take your word on that the NYT Style guide is a thing that actually exists. I have no idea.
Gin & Tonic
@Kent: I bet the Kurds got thrown under the bus. Again.
Paul in KY
@Immanentize: If so, same deal as Quislynn
raven
@lee: You prefer APA???
lee
@Kent: Yep the check to Turkey cleared the bank.
Steeplejack
@lee:
I’ll wait until we see where she ends up. If her next job is another sinecure in the GQP ecosystem . . .
kalakal
I’m at work so I’m just getting the occasional bit of running commentary from this & the preceding thread.
It sounds astonishing. Ketchup hurling tantrums, deliberately trying to let an armed mob into the Capitol, trying to lead the coup in person in an armored car?
My thanks to all of you watching for the comments.
Also I am consumed with jealousy
For all of you
debbie
@karen marie:
She’s young enough that maybe her parents sat her down and got through her MAGA sheen.
Fair Economist
@Scout211:
*I* feel like I need a cigarette. And I don’t smoke!
lee
@raven:
American Psychiatric Association?
Sure
debbie
@lee:
I’m looking at the book (an older edition) on my bookshelf.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I will not bop over to Wonkette and see if they can top reality
SiubhanDuinne
Colbert’s monologue tonight is gonna be lit!
Omnes Omnibus
@MisterDancer: Johnny Marr was was and is the genius from that band.
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
He’ll definitely need a second segment.
Kristine
@MisterDancer @Omnes Omnibus: Marr is a favorite. That bell-ringing guitar.
Percysowner
@Immanentize:
She may also have had a “they have it on tape” moment. although switching lawyers was probably the big reason she decided to come clean.
debbie
Someone could easily Photoshop the Beast scene using his truck-honking experience at the beginning of his term.
HumboldtBlue
They really wanted the violence.
WaterGirl
Meadows and his allies:
If that is Mark Meadows biggest concern – that her appearance could strain his relationship with Trump – either he is a bigger fool than I thought or Trump has enough on Meadows to land Meadows in prison for a long time.
Sister Golden Bear
@debbie: That too. But I’m sure he’s been hate watching today’s hearing, with all the cheeseburgers in hand.
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: The Economist does it too. I remember people being upset at the dis to Obama.
Immanentize
@MisterDancer: I subscribe to the dead artist theory — every creator is dead when the art is released. In most cases the artist and the art can be separated. But in that particular case, I am PISSED!
JPL
Turkey dropped their veto and now Finland and Sweden should be admitted to NATO.
This is exactly what Putin wanted.
MisterDancer
@Kristine: We’ll always have Marr, true.
Martin
@EarthWindFire: I hired a lot of people like her. You want people in jobs like this who are organized and responsible and aren’t gossips. If you find that personality trifecta, years of experience doesn’t really matter much.
One of my best hires was straight out of college and was the real-life manifestation of Amy Santiago from Brooklyn99 (even looked like her). You could unload the trash of the universe on her desk and she’d sort and prioritize it and in an assistant role could say ‘you should do this, then this, then this’. She needed experience to work on policy, to navigate the politics and bureaucracy, to figure out how to try on everyone’s shoes regarding a policy matter to see if it was equitable to all, but she was well on her way to running the show and it was practically impossible to overwhelm her. It would have been a disservice to not give her all the responsibility she was capable of carrying. I would have trusted her to handle a $150K job as aide to the WH. She would have nailed the mechanics of it.
It’s Meadows job to protect Cassidy from the consequences that should fall on him and those with the authority for wrongdoing. She didn’t have the authority.
The fault I would put on Cassidy is not recognizing that she was working for a crowd that refuses to accept the responsibility that comes with their authority. That was broadcast well before Trump was elected. As a staffer, you’re going to get sold out by your boss. That’s obvious as the sun coming up to me. You don’t work for those kind of people because they will destroy your career, as Cassidy’s has been.
geg6
@MisterDancer:
Me too. And Van Morrison also. I just can’t listen to them any more.
Ken
It was at the end of four years of culling out anyone who ever contradicted Trump. Heck, after just two years they had scraped through the bottom of the barrel into the cesspit underneath.
lee
@Immanentize:
I jumped over to the NYT and the latest story about Obama is using ‘President Obama’ not ‘Mr Obama’.
So I still have no idea if that is an actual thing or not. I was always told to refer to someone (in person or not) by the highest office they attained.
HumboldtBlue
@geg6:
Add Clapton.
James E Powell
@debbie:
I don’t get that one.
kalakal
@Immanentize: Depends on wether you’re a soccer fan
Immanentize
@Omnes Omnibus: I like it. People get the “Mister President” crap from that one excellent West Wing episode.
Dangerman
@Sister Golden Bear: Donald and Kumar go to White Castle?
Martin
@Percysowner: Oh, I think it’s pretty simple – the only way she’s safe is if she testifies. And the sooner that happens, the safer she gets.
Immanentize
@geg6: And COVID Clapton. All jackasses.
debbie
@James E Powell:
I thought it meant he’s going to need LOTS of help.
Immanentize
@lee: The style requirement is you identify the position in the first reference to the person (e.g. “President” Obama) then go to Mr. For all future references. Or at least it was that way just a couple of years ago.
debbie
Not sure if it’s true or not, but Jordan retweeted this:
Seems a bit thin.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@lee: I believe AP style is use the title the first time and then Mr., Mrs., Ms., after that.
AP Style President – Writing Explained
jimmiraybob
First, I miss the Bassetts.
Second, I believe tradition now involves a taco and a beer.
Other than that, I’m still working off the stun. This may be better than having watched the Watergate Hearings.
No, it IS better. Trying to hijack the Beast and choking out his service agent? Priceless.
Is there by any chance and underground bunker at Mar a Lago?
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: I like it as well. Egalitarian respect.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
Catchy!
James E Powell
@debbie:
How substantial does it need to be for their followers? They don’t even pretend to care anyone else thinks.
Martin
This is the conspiracy theory part of my brain speaking – but if the committee was worried about the Roe hearing knocking their work off of the front page for a month, holding this testimony in their pocket until that decision was put out nicely solves that problem. The ’emergency’ might have been the Roe ruling, with this hearing coming as quickly as they could get Cassidy in DC. I doubt Liz would have been on board with that strategy, but also she couldn’t have blocked it.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: Steve in the ATL concurs in the judgment
Immanentize
@debbie: Well, considering everyone who knew anything were getting real paid, why shouldn’t she wet her beak?
But I think she testified, got caught in a bunch of lies, was confronted, got a new attorney, and changed her mind about the omerta.
Scout211
From the CNN article about Trump’s aide’s reactions, which is now updated with more reactions:
Steeplejack
@feebog:
My sources tell me it was a totally different guy, name of John Barron.
Wyatt Salamanca
@lee:
I’d like to hear her answer to the question of who she’d vote for in 2024, Biden or Trump
I’d also like to know the good things Trump did in office according to her.
Martin
@James E Powell: Yes, they are not available to be persuaded.
geg6
@HumboldtBlue:
I had heard about his racism long before. He’s a pig.
HumboldtBlue
Fox talking heads live out the “well this is awkward” meme in real time.
zhena gogolia
@karen marie: She’s a wingnut but a smart cookie. I was impressed.
Immanentize
@Wyatt Salamanca: oh I never want to hear anyone answer that question again unless their answer is properly, “None of your effin business.”
Martin
@Scout211: Trump rolls out the same line for everyone. Remember how he barely knew Michael Cohen? The day he barely knew Rudy Giuliani and Ivanka is only a matter of time.
zhena gogolia
@Steeplejack: OT, but we’re into the second episode of Endeavour, and it’s really good. We liked the first one too, but this one is better.
Scout211
@Immanentize:
That sounds very plausible. Cheney said she testified four separate times. Her new legal team helped her see the omerta would likely push her under the bus.
debbie
@Scout211:
These guys have been plenty surprised lately, what with that Holder documentary and now this.
Immanentize
@HumboldtBlue: I just got one of these for my son and one for me:
This is fine…
zhena gogolia
@JPL: What?
catclub
You have to be higher up than a congressional committee to extract that info from the NSA.
JPL
@zhena gogolia: lol It was not a good day for either one of the tyrants.
Biden met with Erdogan today, so it appears to be another Biden win.
zhena gogolia
@debbie: Yeah, fuck him
rikyrah
@RandomMonster:
Who else could order the changing of the code on Pence’s office at the Capitol?
JPL
IMO Cassidy has a new lawyer, and he might have advised her, if she lied under oath, she needed to correct it pronto.
catclub
@Wyatt Salamanca:
Tax cuts, freeing Bears Ears from Federal control, SC justices. Not my list.
Wyatt Salamanca
@Immanentize:
If someone wants to vote for a Republican in 2024 that’s one thing, but I’d just like to know if Hutchinson believes Trump’s behavior should disqualify him from serving as President in the future.
Captain C
@Scout211:
Given TFG’s levels of cluefulness and competence, that car would have wound up either in the Potomac or somewhere in Indiana before he figured out that he was no longer in D.C..
This testimony may not affect the hard-cores, but I think it may have a rather large effect on the ‘normie’ swing voters who may have been happy to vote for lower taxes and gas prices this election (not that they would have gotten either), but don’t want an incompetent, destructive narcissist’s followers holding more of the levers of power.
Redshift
Accidentally telling the truth — she’s definitely “bad news,” but not in the way he wants people to believe.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@zhena gogolia: We watched that last night and enjoyed it
rikyrah
@SiubhanDuinne:
ghoul
may she rot
AWOL
MSNBC playing The Republican Mommy Worship Game by elevating Hutchinson, who is simply trying to save her right-wing arse, not democracy.
Betty Cracker
@HumboldtBlue: LOL! That’s wonderful. I am glad the committee brought up the Fox News personalities’ barrage of panicky tweets again. What a bunch of sniveling suck-ups.
Sir Nose d'Voidoffunk
@Captain C: Unfortunately, the most impactful end result of this is probably that it put us that much closer to President DeSantis.
JWR
@Scout211: From your CNN link:
Well hah, la-di-dah.
hueyplong
I’d guess she had already decided to flip when she fired the mob lawyer. I wonder how long there was overlap in communication with the two lawyers, but I don’t wonder which one was unaware of the other.
The mere act of firing the mob lawyer would be considered a “termination” offense, if you know what I mean.
catclub
@kalakal:
president Trumper tantrum
zhena gogolia
@Wyatt Salamanca: I don’t care who she’s voting for. I don’t give a shit about her politics. She helped reveal the truth. We need the truth.
Raven Onthill
@Beth: As Laura Jadeed wrote on Twitter:
It may cost him with women, but sisterhood is not powerful enough.
HumboldtBlue
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RSA
@MisterDancer: Johnny Marr’s new album is solid. You can hear echoes of the 1980s, but it also sounds fresh and new.
Wyatt Salamanca
@zhena gogolia:
Of course we need the truth. But if everyone testifying against Trump at these hearings would still vote for him in 2024, we can’t sweep him into the trash can of history where he belongs.
Knowing where these hearing witnesses stand on Trump’s fitness to hold office again says something about their character.
WaterGirl
@JPL:
Is that sarcasm, or is there some 11-dimensional chess going on that I am not aware of.
chrome agnomen
the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the ketchup of patriots and tyrants.
Steeplejack
@lee:
What story are you seeing? I’m not seeing one about Obama on the NYT first page or the U.S. or Politics tabs.
As a former professional journalist, I will say that the “refer to someone (in person or not) by the highest office they attained” thing is more a fawning nicety of banquet oratory and the TV chat shows than it is a journalistic rule. And it certainly doesn’t apply to news stories. The rule in both the Times and A.P. style guides is to use the title with the person’s full name on first reference (e.g., “President Joe Biden”), then “Biden” (A.P.) or “Mr. Biden” (Times) thereafter.
And (IMO) we live in a supposedly egalitarian democracy. The title should cleave to the office and its current holder, not to every officeholder in perpetuity, unless, as I said, you just want to stroke some pol’s gigantic ego. Nobody should have a problem with a simple “Mr. Giuliani.” To refer to him now as “Mayor Giuliani” is a travesty. That’s a particularly ripe example, but I think it applies across the board.
Lyrebird
Truth.
One of many reasons I thank heaven for Rep. Cheney, even tho sure I would vote against her in Wyo.
The Committee’s case would not be nearly as strong about Ms. Cassidy. She’s been in that Conserva-bubble. If I talk, she might not be able to hear me. But Rep. Cheney she’ll respond to. I’m not saying she’d refuse to answer the Chair or Raskin… this just works better.
ETA: And Cheney’s facing real risk with eyes open.
zhena gogolia
@chrome agnomen: Good one.
Mo Salad
@MisterDancer:
And remember, Johnny Marr actually spent more time in The The than The Smiths. That has to count for something.
Y’all should like Matt Johnson’s politics. You can start with “Armageddon Days are Here Again”. He got it. Still fresh after 35 years.
Lyrebird
@WaterGirl:
(
@JPL: can correct of course)
I think maybe it’s glorious schadenfreude! and yes on the sarcastic side
HumboldtBlue
Feathers
@geg6: Every word in the English language has two pronunciations, the correct one, and how they say it in Boston.
karen marie
@lee: What astonished me was Hutchinson referring to him simply as “Trump.”
scav
@Raven Onthill: But then again, the ketchup throwing made him look silly. He also looks generally ineffectual. The ones clinging to his Wheel-Grab! heroism would equally cling to his defience as evidenced by the relative overhang of his pouty lower (nether)lip.
raven
So they confiscated all this shit at the Mags at the the MAGA rally. There should be an accounting of that stuff and maybe photos.
HumboldtBlue
zhena gogolia
@raven: Yes, that would be good.
Rob
I’m only following the hearings fitfully on Twitter. But, my god, what amazing testimony today.
karen marie
@debbie: If her parents had any influence in her deciding to testify honestly, it was because they discovered that her Trumpy lawyer did not have her best interests in mind but was instead using her to protect Trump, exposing her to criminal charges and possible jail time.
catclub
@HumboldtBlue: Trump would go back to twitter instantly, if they let him. He knows the audience there is bigger. and that is all that matters to him.
Matt McIrvin
@catclub: I’ve assumed that the entire point of Elon Musk buying Twitter is to re-enable Trump’s account.
O. Felix Culpa
@Wyatt Salamanca:
While I hope her answer would be “yes,” it has no bearing on her testimony and its import. We’re not her parents. Eyes on the prize.
HumboldtBlue
@catclub:
I’m just glad he’s being frustrated on every front.
He’s currently raging about Hutchison’s testimony.
Betty Cracker
@Sir Nose d’Voidoffunk: When my vow to stop worrying about things I can’t affect lapses, I have thoughts along those lines too. I am pretty confident Biden would whip Trump’s ass in a rematch. DeSantis would be a far more formidable opponent, if only due to the media amplifying the age difference and creating a false account of DeSantis’s performance as FL governor.
tokyokie
And if her Trump-provided legal muscle was acting in Trump’s best interests and not hers, she should sue them for malpractice and go after their law licenses.
zhena gogolia
Biden will beat DeSantis too. Or any of them.
Yesterday my friends were again discussing “who should be our candidate in 2024.” I said, “Joe Biden. Do you think any Republicans sit around worrying about Trump being too old? No, they don’t.” I challenged them to suggest what Democratic candidate would be better. “Al Gore.” Then they said, well, Biden could beat Trump, but what about some younger, more energetic Republican? I asked them to name one. “Ted Cruz.” I laughed my ass off. “Have you ever watched five minutes of Ted Cruz?”
I swear, I get so mad at the people on our side. It’s “her e-mails” all over again. Fuck that shit!
UncleEbeneezer
@O. Felix Culpa: Thank you! It would be great if the people testifying now did the right thing earlier and became loyal Dem voters, but whatever. Doing the right thing (at great risk to their lives) is still better late than never and I don’t expect people who worked for the GOP to get their shit right super-fast.
Also, she may live in a Blue State that isn’t gonna go for Trump regardless of her one, shitty vote.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
Biden should announce he’s not running just to watch all those people switch to complaining how he abandoned us.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: inorite
misterpuff
@raven: Did they get a gun check stub at the magnetometer and then get the guns back after the rally (or were those shootin’ arns forfeited?)
And what is normal Secret service SOPs when your guns are “found”? Wouldn’t you get a summons to the nearest Federal Courthouse?
misterpuff
duplicate post
zhena gogolia
@misterpuff: I’m pretty sure what was being confiscated at the “mags” was “weapons,” i.e. tasers and flagpoles and such. I think the people with guns were staying outside the checkpoints, hence TFG’s anger that his crowd wasn’t big enough.
Redshift
@Raven Onthill:
Not buying that line of reasoning, especially not the “this is absolutely how this will play out” part.
First we’re told the hearings have no effect on the Trump base because they weren’t ignoring them as biased and illegitimate. Now it’s that they’ll all hear about this part and it will redeem him in the eyes of people who had decided he was a coward. Sure.
Second, throwing a tantrum and still not getting to go because “they wouldn’t let me” doesn’t exactly make him a he-man.
Third, it seems like a big chunk of the insurrectionists and sympathizers soured on him because he didn’t pardon any of them, and they found out the hard way that loyalty only runs one direction with him.
Mike in NC
@Feathers: My mother grew up in Dorchester and had an impenetrable Boston accent her entire life. When she met my NoVA girlfriend for the first time, I had to translate.
misterpuff
@zhena gogolia: Thanks for the info.
TFG always has a reason (excuse) if the real world doesn’t live up to his overblown expectations.
HumboldtBlue
CNN with an enraging act of non-attribution while reporting on GOP reaction to Hutchison testimony.
Steeplejack
@zhena gogolia:
Okay, I’ma get on it on Passport!
Redshift
@UncleEbeneezer: The only reason I care about them being asked how they’ll vote is because it demonstrates how the cult requires professions of loyalty. “None of your damn business” is the right answer, but Republicans can’t say that. Even people who’ve turned against TFG know that their position among fellow Republicans will be even worse if they don’t profess loyalty to whoever is nominated, even if it’s TFG.
pat
She was interviewed four times and snippets of those were shown in previous hearings. I can’t imagine that she was lying.
I think it is quite likely that what she said today was hinted at previously but for some reason her trumpy lawyer didn’t want her to be specific. Therefore the change in lawyers and the committee putting together this absolutely riveting testimony.
PaulWartenberg
Off-topic: I have no idea what my Secret Service callsign will be.
Betty Cracker
@zhena gogolia: I sure hope you’re right because DeSantis would make 2017-2020 look like a day at the beach.
The Moar You Know
@zhena gogolia: If guns were allowed in the Capitol building his own colleagues would have shot him years ago.
Steeplejack
@PaulWartenberg:
Warthog.
Feathers
@Mike in NC: My grandmother grew up in East Boston and maintained til the end of her days that she did not have a Boston accent. Spoiler alert: she did.
JPL
@WaterGirl: sarcasm
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker: Tracking, as Adam would say.
kmax
@Steeplejack: Amazing.. you must be psychic..
You read my mind before I thought of it.
Warthog! LOL
Jinchi
Almost at TBOGG times 2.
Just One More Canuck
@zhena gogolia: Too many purity ponies out there looking for the perfect candidate. Voting is like taking a bus that gets you closer to where you want to go.
Steeplejack
@Jinchi:
WTF? Pretty sure a TBogg unit is 500.
Jinchi
@Steeplejack: My mistake, although at this point with the 3 posts on this topic (including the one after this) we’re well over 900.
James E Powell
@JPL:
Unpossible! According to the American political press, that can never happen.
Paul in KY
@raven: They probably let them leave with teh guns..being God Fearing White People ™ and all that.