(Can’t figure out how to embed it, but here’s a clip from the interview)
Vice President Harris has become a leading abortion rights voice for the Biden administration. The nation's first female vice president has spent weeks warning a Supreme Court decision undermining Roe v. Wade could threaten voting and gay marriage rights. https://t.co/UC2V8AVRja
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 27, 2022
… Taking to the issue with a passion linked both to her personal and professional background, Harris has spent recent weeks sounding the alarm that upending Roe could create precedent for new restrictions on everything from contraception and in vitro fertilization to gay marriage — and that states restricting such things are also leading the way in new limits on the right to vote.
Justice Clarence Thomas seemed to validate such concerns, writing in a concurring opinion to the larger ruling on Roe that the high court “should reconsider” past decisions on access to contraception and same-sex marriage.
Harris has been a leading Biden administration voice on abortion rights since early May, when a leaked draft opinion previewed Roe v. Wade’s nullification. She was flying to Illinois for a maternal health event when the final decision was announced last week, and read it while still in the air — quickly shifting the focus of her planned remarks to the ruling…
Getting straight to the politics of the matter after the ruling was announced, Harris said, “You have the power to elect leaders who will defend and protect your rights. With your vote, you can act. And you have the final word.”
After a Texas law effectively banned abortion in the state in the fall, Harris met providers and patients, which her office believes is the first time abortion providers have visited the White House. She stressed then that gender discrimination persists, saying that “women’s full participation in our nation” was still only a goal, not a reality.
After the draft Supreme Court opinion leaked, the vice president convened a virtual discussion with doctors and nurses providing abortion care in states with strict restrictions and met with Democratic attorneys general from states supportive of reproductive rights…
As a senator, Harris introduced legislation to improve maternal health. During a 2019 Democratic presidential primary debate, then-candidate Harris said it was “outrageous” that abortion had been overshadowed by other issues, despite a woman’s right to the procedure being “under full-on attack” even then.
The vice president most forcefully signaled the outspoken role when she declared a day after the draft opinion leaked in May: “Those Republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women, well, we say, how dare they?”…
We can but hope — while working all possible immediate real-world responses:
Before you get too upset about other ‘Democrats / progressives / liberals’, check the botlist:
For all the people accusing me of making this up: https://t.co/V4PjWtWLvO
— Adam Smith (@AdamJSmithGA) June 28, 2022
“Why are we here?”
The entire "Meet the Press" panel laughed out loud at Peggy Noonan today when she said the GOP "should become a party that helps women" after its abortion "victory." pic.twitter.com/uSth0nkutC
— David Edwards (@DavidEdwards) June 26, 2022
On The Road – Elma – Traveling Among the Saints: Part 1
EarthWindFire
Go home, Peggy, you’re drunk.
Baud
Sober Peggy Noonan is worse than drunk Peggy Noonan.
debbie
That’s not the convincing argument they think it is. “All is already lost.” Fuck you. P.S. Peggy is insane.
Baud
Why don’t Dems have bots that say “Voting makes you attractive”?
ETA: I bet it’s because they’re tepid.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
Why is anybody booking Peggy Noonan for anything? Why does Andrea Greenspan maintain her employment? Who watches Chuck Todd and says “we’re lucky to have him on our crew – let’s renew him and give him a fat raise?
Baud
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Good questions.
EarthWindFire
They had 50 years to become the party that helps women. They gave us “crisis” indoctrinal pregnancy centers and a bullshit life what a beautiful choice slogan. The rest was babykiller, keep your legs shut, and bogus legal theories. Kay’s right. Their demands for credibility and respect are galling when they aren’t darkly hilarious.
Baud
GOP Program for Helping Women: Every 10th Baby is Free!
VeniceRiley
Greetings from England, where I am happily sat with my wife in our home having a coffee and watching blackbirds in the garden.
FU Clarence! I’ll be registering to vote with help from Democrats Abroad.
Steeplejack
As I said when this video first dropped, I can’t believe Peggy Noonan is only 71. She comes across as an ancient Miss Havisham—jilted at the altar by her beloved (St. Ronnie) and living out the rest of her life as a wraith in her ruined mansion. Which is fine. Just leave her to it and don’t trot her out in public to make asinine pronouncements like this in her creepy mild voice.
Baud
@VeniceRiley:
Cheerio, as they say over there.
mrmoshpotato
How sloshed was she?
Tony Jay
@VeniceRiley:
You crazy kids!
Welcome to the Island of Madness, your assigned cultural awareness mentor will be around shortly with a free case of vowels and your Basic Sacrifical Dagger for the monthly offering to the Lord of the Fields.
You get used to it.
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone
eclare
@Steeplejack: Great simile!
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
debbie
@VeniceRiley:
Congratulations! You made it!
germy shoemangler
I’m looking forward to today’s Jan. 6 hearing.
I think they’re saving Ali Alexander for July. That’s when they’ll be talking about the insurrectionists being encouraged by TFG.
I’m guessing the witness will be the documentary filmmaker, to explain what he saw when he was in the belly of the beast.
Anastasio Beaverhousen
Since discussions of this recent Roe decision often lead to other cases that might arise, I would like to suggest we stick with the term “marriage equality,” instead of “gay marriage.” I think it makes it more equal and less of a target for those on the right. People don’t get black married or jew married. I didn’t get gay married, I got married, like everybody else, only after Obergefell it was recognized and protected by the federal government. For now.
debbie
@germy shoemangler:
I’d rather it was Meadows’ assistant with an exhaustive list of names requesting pardons. I seem to be smelling blood.
Baud
@germy shoemangler:
@debbie:
Today show this morning was like “it better be juicy enough or the Committee will lose credibility!”
In fairness, it isn’t completely a wrong take, but you know they’ll abuse any imperfection to pump up how both sides are wrong.
germy shoemangler
@debbie:
But I thought we already got the list of pardon seekers at the last hearing?
Also, I didn’t know John Eastman’s phone was taken, the same time they raided Clark.
Eastman is complaining they made him “unlock” his phone.
Baud
@debbie:
I don’t know why that information would require an emergency hearing. That assistant had already been interviewed by the committee multiple times.
Betty Cracker
@EarthWindFire: Yep. Kay also speculated that Republicans will funnel public funds to “pregnancy crisis center” grifters, and I’m sure she’s right about that too. That’s the way they’ll say they’re taking care of women and children.
@Anastasio Beaverhousen: Good suggestion.
eclare
@Anastasio Beaverhousen: Good advice, thank you.
Baud
@germy shoemangler:
Why would they need to keep his name secret then? Everyone knows who he is.
Steeplejack
@rikyrah, @Baud:
Good morning!
eclare
@debbie: CNN reported last night that is who it is. Cassidy Hutchinson.
Just checked, CNN still reporting that.
Baud
@eclare:
I saw that article, but it said she had interviewed with the committee. Not clear why they had to schedule an emergency hearing. We’ll see.
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@Betty Cracker:
Clearly, earnest evangelical males who provide smiles when they congratulate a 13 year old on her pregnancy and drawl about “gods will” as she gives birth and hands over a sweet white baby to the baby sales lot to be given over to some deserving 30-something white evangelical couple deserve to make a decent living.
I thought you people were all about good wages. Geez….
germy shoemangler
Republicans have a “plan” to help women:
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
I’ll say it for the cheap seats – Stalin may have been an asshole, but he wasn’t completely off the mark in his treatment of religion….
eclare
@Baud: Someone on one of the late threads said “security reasons.” What I find interesting is that she fired her Trumpy attorney and got a real one from Alston and Bird, big time law firm.
Baud
@germy shoemangler:
LOL. I’m surprised they aren’t charging interest.
Suzanne
@Baud:
In all seriousness, I would love to see visual messaging contrasting the Dems as young, fit, upwardly mobile, and attractive…. with the old, gross, loser-stink GOP.
Geo Wilcox
So after they gut everything else will they be coming after property rights for women, you know undoing the laws that do not allow discrimination due to sex?
germy shoemangler
@Baud:
They should! This way, people have skin in the game…
/
Baud
@eclare:
But she was already known to be cooperating. That’s what I don’t get.
Kay
@EarthWindFire:
The infant mortality and maternal health outcomes in the anti-abortion states are just all the evidence one needs. There’s no denying this- they simply have done nothing for babies and mothers in the states they run for the last 50 years. Maternal health outcomes include the year after giving birth and that’s where the effects of state policy like no parental leave or financial support for new mothers show up.
They’re brutal to mothers and babies in anti-abortion states. Is the claim that this approach was BECAUSE of abortion? What a load of bullshit. Now they’ll have many more low income mothers and babies and they never lifted a finger to improve the lot of the group they had already. You’ve seen them hard at work drafting the laws banning abortion in the last 6 months. No work at all on putting supports in.
Baud
@Suzanne:
I’ve offered my services.
Baud
@germy shoemangler:
Avoids moral hazard too.
Baud
@Kay:
We do a poor job of highlighting the tangible benefits of liberalism.
Betty Cracker
@eclare: That is interesting
ETA: The CNN article says they’ve been so secretive about who the witness is due to security concerns.
lowtechcyclist
I don’t get that last bit. There are “viral posts” discouraging Dems from voting, and they’re coming from “inauthentic accounts,” which I take to mean bots. So a “sheer volume” of bots’ posts are going viral??
A post “goes viral” when a lot of other people quote and retweet it. It’s hard to imagine that happening with bot-generated tweets. There may be something going on here, but I sure can’t untangle it.
germy shoemangler
@lowtechcyclist:
People retweet bots
eclare
@Kay: Now, my guv here in the paradise that is TN said the state will work hard to make adoptions easier!
//
Baud
@eclare:
How come no one asks the GOP why they haven’t done all these things before?
Dems need to justify the last 50 years of their actions.
eclare
@Baud: There are a lot of unasked questions these days….
lowtechcyclist
@germy shoemangler: So Rubio says women who have children should be forced to retire later! That’s the sort of incentive working women need to take time off to have kids. Women will be lining up to
take advantage ofbitterly point and laugh at that program.Kay
@EarthWindFire:
I heard one of the professional, paid anti-abortion crusaders on the radio yesterday. Media trained, delivers complete scripted paragraphs with that sickly sweet “love the sinner” intonation. She was insisting child support was the solution. They will simply collect child support. All the anti-abortion states already collect child support mostly due to the concerted efforts of liberal, feminist, activist lawyers who tightened and federalized child support laws in the 1970s. It isn’t enough because the fathers make 18k a year. How much are they imagining they can collect from someone who makes 18k a year? It’s a fucking formula- math- it isn’t magically going to increase. It has a ceiling.
satby
The Proud Boys are stepping up assaults on Drag Queen / Pride Month story hours. Yesterday they attacked my friend Meghan (a trans woman and grade school teacher, but not a drag queen) at the library doing a Pride Month story hour, terrorizing adults and mostly small children. We’re already planning a large group to counter the PBs again when they reschedule the story hour.
Allies for equality can find out when any local story hours are planned and show up to support the readers. The Proud Boys are disrupting and (so far only verbally) attacking the readers and the libraries holding the story hours nationwide.
O. Felix Culpa
@Baud:
Silly Baud, only Dems have agency.
eclare
@satby: I am sorry for your friend.
VeniceRiley
@Tony Jay: I get a dagger? Is it crescent shaped? How lovely! I’m excited.
Baud
@Kay:
I want to start a pool to guess the date when the GOP pivots to protecting men’s rights from women who use pregnancy to entrap them.
Steeplejack
@eclare:
Sources told the Post there were “credible security threats to a witness.”
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@eclare:
What that means is that they are going to relax standards on reviews prior to adoptions.
It’s gonna be awesome – no disasters will come about there. Plus, having an ample supply of white babies will make hard-to-place 12-14 year olds even harder to place without expanding the pool. Now, middle class evangelical women can get cheap and grateful household help, and the dads will have powerless fuckpuppets at their disposal…
O. Felix Culpa
@satby:
Good for you and your friends! It’s important for allies to make a public show of defense against the fascists.
MisterDancer
And the bots retweet the people, in a vicious cycle.
Things go viral due to raw data, which cannot determine what’s coming from real accounts. Services like BotSentinel (which I use) has some capabilities for bot detection, but aren’t used much (if at all) when media reports on these trends.
So yes, bots can and do make topics “go viral”.
MomSense
@lowtechcyclist:
I’ll tell you what is happening. The fucking Bernistas are gaslighting all of us who tried to warn them that the courts were on the ballot in 2016. Those little shits are blaming everyone else for their bullshit behavior.
MagdaInBlack
I’ve seen a handful of tweets of bright shiny white couples holding up signs saying ” We will adopt your baby” and I find it ghoulish and creepy. Maybe that’s just me?
bjacques
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lowtechcyclist
@germy shoemangler:
Bots say stuff that’s interesting enough to retweet? That’s the part that I can’t get my head around.
Betty Cracker
Good news for Rep. Abigail Spanberger of VA, who’s in a tough race to keep her House seat — her Republican opponent, Yesli Vega, pulled a Todd Akin. (cite: NYT)
O. Felix Culpa
@MagdaInBlack:
No, not just you. It is profoundly creepy and dehumanizing.
satby
@Kay: States do a shit job of collecting child support and barely go after guys who evade it. My deadbeat ex accumulated more than $60k in arrears over the course of the time he was ordered to provide support, 12 years. I started getting arrearage payments when the kids were in their 30s and he started collecting SS.
I needed it when they were young and I could barely feed and house them. And I never got all of it, because when it drops below a certain amount they quit collecting it. Child support in this country is a joke.
debbie
@Baud:
Gets the names on the public record. Let those Congresspeople spend their holiday explaining themselves to people.
debbie
@Baud:
She may know other things too that they didn’t know about until they got his phone.
Steeplejack
@lowtechcyclist:
There are a lot of bots that retweet and “like” other bots’ tweets, causing them to “go viral” based on the numbers. In other words, a lot of the “lot of other people” you’re wondering about are bots themselves.
This is the same reason that every day about half of Facebook’s top 10 trending topics are something by Ben fucking Shapiro.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@lowtechcyclist: Bots say stuff that’s emotionally charged. That’s why people retweet. “Interesting” is too cool a term
lowtechcyclist
@MomSense: Well, I always figured that most of the online Bernistas were really bots.
ARoomWithAMoose
@lowtechcyclist:
The bots like and repost each other’s stuff, it’s part of manipulating the “you may also be interested in…/trending” flags for whatever social media platform is targeted by the bot owners.
Betty Cracker
@MagdaInBlack: It’s not just you!
@lowtechcyclist: I’m no expert, but from what I’ve read about 2016, there are several techniques. Troll farms create sites/viral posts/tweets/etc., which bots amplify, and humans/algorithms find negative organic content that they use troll sites and bots to amplify. IIRC, in 2016, offshore troll farms actually set up real-life events that people attended.
EarthWindFire
@Kay: So child support is the new charities will take care of them? Same bad math.
Maybe they think the bounty the dad got for turning in her doctor will take care of it. ♀️ There’s math there too. Pretty sure that would only work once.
Baud
@MagdaInBlack:
The one with Javanka is funny.
Suzanne
@satby: Yes. Ex-Mr. Suzanne owes me tens of thousands of dollars. I could use it now, for sure, but I really needed it at the damn time. Spawn’s mental health care was a huge financial burden that I paid for. And the only way for me to collect it is to spend a bunch more money to go to court and then I might get a tiny bit of it back!
I have also shared that SuzBioDad willingly severed his parental rights to me in order to avoid paying child support to SuzMom. So who are all these dudes who they think are going to be paying child support?!
Soprano2
@EarthWindFire: And now their advocates are asking pro-choice women to join with them to help all pregnant women. Fuck them, why should I join with them when last week you were calling people like me murderers?
Matt McIrvin
@lowtechcyclist: Bots say stuff that flatter your emotions of the moment. Retweeting is extremely impulsive; it takes a fraction of a second.
O. Felix Culpa
Ms. O was listening to the local NPR station on her drive home from work yesterday. They were doing “person on the street” interviews for reactions to Dobbs. Apparently a common refrain was “It’s the Dem’s/Biden’s fault for not codifying Roe.”
Now, Ms. O is a normie (solid D vote), but even she found that profoundly disturbing. Granted there’s pervasive ignorance about how our government works, but this line of thinking seems to have taken hold quickly. I’m not sure it’s accidental.
eclare
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
And of course the requisite evangelical brainwashing of all of these kids will ensue.
debbie
@O. Felix Culpa:
Whip out a sign saying, “You’re not good enough.”
MisterDancer
“For sale: Baby shoes. Never worn.” has Entered the Chat.
It doesn’t take a lot of words to get people boosting your words. And yes, it’s possible for modern AI to write the kind of bleating that gets people going; hell, there’s a whole AI game engine for creating D&D style games!
As someone congenitally unable to write a sentence when a paragraph’ll do, I assure you, you’re way overthinking how easy it is to write something brief that hits the audience of people who just want to say, every day, how much they hate Hate HATE “the libs”. And how easy it is to craft a “hashtag campaign” that, since all their “pals” (who are mostly bots) are boosting it, so should they!
eclare
@MagdaInBlack: It is definitely not just you.
Soprano2
They already do that in MO with tax credits. I think they expanded those tax credits last year.
I wish every interviewer would ask one of these people, right after they say something about “protecting innocent life” or “the sanctity of life”, “So does that mean you’re ready to join with others who are promoting gun reforms, since you’re dedicated to protecting innocent life?”. I’d love to hear them sputter and backpedal at that question, which is actually a natural one for anyone braying about “protecting innocent life”. It exposes their fetus fetish when they say “But not like that”.
Matt McIrvin
@Betty Cracker: I’ve seen things like entire fake conversations between six or seven different bot accounts, starting with a fake expression of frustration with the state of the world, with a reply that maybe it’s smart to hedge against economic disaster with crypto, and culminating in an extended discussion about how to get into crypto investing using this amazing website linked here.
O. Felix Culpa
@debbie:
LOL.
Steeplejack
@MisterDancer:
I use (and contribute to) BotSentinel. It’s very helpful. For those interested, you can enter a Twitter nym or tweet URL and see how the author’s account rates on a (rough) bot scale.
Lately I have been wishing that they had a “sea lion” mode, because I see Twitter threads disrupted by miscreants who aren’t bots but who hook sincere commenters and engage them in long, tedious “But what about?” digressions into trivia and rage-farming.
Baud
@Steeplejack:
Thank God that doesn’t happen here.
Steeplejack
@MagdaInBlack:
It’s a developing meme. Hard to tell which ones are sincere and which ones are Diane Arbus snark. What do you think of this one?
Ken
@Baud: I’m hoping it’s because the witness won’t just be listing the names, they’ll reveal how much Trump was charging for pardons.
Tony Jay
@VeniceRiley:
It’s only a starter dagger, so more like a butter-knife with an inscribed tang to trap and harness the souls you’ll need to activate your utility meter.
You do get a complimentary copy of the latest Willow & Howie catalogue, though, and that’s got all the different ranges depending on how you like to offer up your sacrifices, from curved Assyrian slicers for the chopping off of outsider’s heads to the wavy bladed prickers favoured by country landlords looking to ensure their beer taps don’t get blocked with sediment.
@bjacques:
Never twice, anyway.
Steeplejack
@lowtechcyclist:
It doesn’t have to be interesting! It just has to confirm their bias or current talking point. “It’s useless to vote.” “This is Joe Biden’s fault.” “The Democrats suck.”
O. Felix Culpa
@Steeplejack:
That’s creepy turned up to 11.
Ken
@germy shoemangler: Will Menaker’s tweet is unfair. The money doesn’t have to be paid back, ever. The woman just has to work an extra three months for each baby she has.
satby
@Baud:
eclare
@O. Felix Culpa: There was also a meme of the little twin girls from The Shining holding up a “we will adopt your baby” sign.
Tazj
@Kay: I commented about this a few days ago.They interviewed Phil Bryant former governor of Mississippi whose administration brought the lawsuit about a 15 week ban to the Supreme Court.
The man was thrilled and it was his hope that people would become more responsible and not end a life for their convenience. When pressed about the fact that it wasn’t a matter of convenience to people he dismissed that and told people to pray to God for insight. When asked about what the state would do for people now who couldn’t get abortions he said Mississippi was compassionate and would make it easier for people to adopt. Absolutely nothing about increasing the social safety net for anyone at all.
Kristi Noem said there was a network of non profits and churches that was in place to help families which was a better sounding answer but would still result in no help at all.
Kay
Good article on what’s in store for US women now that we’ve joined the ranks of countries where women are second class citizens:
The heartbreaking story to me is the woman who recounted how she has a specials needs child and knew she simply could not care for that child adequately if she had another child. Peoples lives are complicated. Now that the Right are managing and directing family planning thru courts and state legislatures I think they’ll find their sloppiness and laziness in thinking through all the ramifications of their actions comes back to bite them.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
Inorite. Whew.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: @Suzanne:
Heh, I was on the opposite end of that conundrum. About 6 months after I made my last child support payment, I got a phone call from the state telling me I had overpaid by about $40K. And that was only the stuff they tracked, never mind all the shit I paid because my ex never would, such as her share of school tuition. My back of the napkin figuring put her debt to me at around $80K but could well have been more.
And yes, the state said I could sue her for what she owed me. Like getting money from her was a viable option.
Ken
@eclare: It is a ridiculously easy one to twist. I was thinking of using Charles Manson’s family — though I don’t know how many people would still recognize them. Probably more than would get my other one: a picture of a couple of nuns standing outside a building labelled “Magdalene Laundries”.
O. Felix Culpa
@Kay:
John Roberts (of all people) called it their “relentless freedom from doubt.”
Unfortunately whatever comes back to bite them will be preceded by tremendous human cost.
Steeplejack
@O. Felix Culpa:
Definite Nicole Kidman The Others vibe. Or The Shining. Take your pick.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: JLCauvin has the greatest video. I would summarize it but I don’t want to give away the punchlines. It’s a thing of beauty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQBq3Rd5lQE
SPOILER ALERT since nobody watches the videos: It’s Trump saying that all the extra poor kids crowded into classrooms can now pray all they want as they’re being attacked by gunmen.
zhena gogolia
@Steeplejack: Give her some ancient cobwebbed wedding cake!
eclare
@Ken: Those both would really unnerve me, those aren’t just creepy, they are real.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Kay: I’m worried they won’t be the people it bites
zhena gogolia
@Anastasio Beaverhousen: Good point.
rikyrah
@Kay:
making abortion a felony is a way to permanently disenfranchise women with regards to voting.
zhena gogolia
@debbie: Bingo! What does Adam say, meet AL on the mezzanine level to collect your prize.
O. Felix Culpa
@zhena gogolia:
I watched that video when you posted it yesterday. I don’t care for Cauvin as much as you do, but he did a great job. His underlying sadness was palpable throughout the parody.
rikyrah
@satby:
this enrages me. These parents CHOSE to bring their children there. It was parental CHOICE.
rikyrah
@MagdaInBlack:
Not creeping out just you
zhena gogolia
@Suzanne: Even our politicians, despite the “gerontocracy” label — Harris, Ryan, Jeffries, Demings, I’ll throw in AOC, etc., etc.
rikyrah
@Betty Cracker:
enjoyable rape?
Betty Cracker
@Matt McIrvin: Yes! I’ve seen lots of crypto grifting and clout-chasing on Twitter. Another thing I suspect the crypto bots do is randomly follow accounts so they’ll get followed back (some folks just follow back anyone who follows them) and look more organic. I don’t have a big Twitter following (around 5K or so), but I get targeted by crypto accounts a lot even though I’ve never tweeted about it. That tells me they flood the zone if they bother going after randos like me…
Kay
@Tazj:
“Making it easier” for people to adopt worries me. I’m very familiar with adoption law and process. In what way do they plan on “making it easier”? No pre-adoption investigation into prospective homes? Lift background check requirements? Lift notice requirements to biological parents? The ideology on the Right is such that I think “making it easier to adopt” means they are going to approach it like they approach weapons, where anyone can get anything they want with no regulation.
Again- this stuff sounds nice but these religious fundamentalist crusaders have done none of the ground work and real, practical hard headed thinking that such a radical change requires. They have not done the work.
Roe was a fence. It said “HERE, the state may not go”. They knocked down the fence without the slightest thought to what happens after. Sloppy, junk, low quality work from radical, careless people on a crusade. So sure of their moral superiority they didn’t bother to consider anything real.
Now comes the real part.
rikyrah
@Suzanne:
cynical me would say that this will be a certain arm of the religious nuts- going around to these ‘sperm donors’ and getting them to sign away their rights, so that they can further isolate the mother, and pressure them to giving up the kid for adoption.
zhena gogolia
@O. Felix Culpa: Yes.
O. Felix Culpa
@Kay:
Requoting John Roberts, these are people who live in a state of “relentless freedom from doubt.”
NEVER expect them to “do the work.”
rikyrah
@Kay:
Saw a TikTok video aimed at those who want to create an ‘ Underground Railroad’ for those wanting abortions in outlawed states…
Better start thinking like drug dealers and set the networks up accordingly.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: Fast track for church-going Christians, extra points if your denomination is evangelical Protestant.
Steeplejack
@zhena gogolia:
Is there a gin-based punch recipe?
Soprano2
@Kay: We all know that the lack of support is part of the punishment they feel is necessary for the “crime” of having “unapproved” sex. The woman has to be punished so she won’t do it again. As I heard an older woman say on NPR yesterday morning, “Now those young girls will have to be more careful about who they have sex with”. That’s exactly the kind of thing my mother would say if she were still alive. The anti-abortion people never acknowledge that anyone other than a young, unmarried woman gets an abortion. When another interviewer on NPR asked one of these women who runs an anti-abortion group if they were now going to support things like expanded child tax credits, paid maternity leave, and so on, which Republicans in Congress had opposed, she weasel-worded it to death, never actually answering the question, because the real answer she won’t say is “No, don’t you know those women have to be punished?!”
I’ve also noticed that any support they offer is only for the first few months of the baby’s life – what about the rest of the 18 years you’re going to have to take care of that baby they forced you to have? They NEVER talk about that!!
different-church-lady
@germy shoemangler: People ARE bots. At least half the authentic biological people in this country just bleep up their social and political programming. Software ain’t the only problem we’ve got.
germy shoemangler
Washington Post editorial from September 2020:
I have many progressive friends who, already anxious about our country, are finding the possibility that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg might be replaced by Amy Coney Barrett almost too much to bear. But I have known Barrett as a friend and colleague for more than 15 years. And I can assure worried liberals that there is nothing about the prospect of a Justice Barrett that should cause them to fear.
Soprano2
@eclare: What they don’t say is “for the white babies”.
O. Felix Culpa
@germy shoemangler:
That didn’t age well.
Tony Jay
@rikyrah:
Depends on who he means it’s enjoyable for.
Soprano2
@Kay: Oh, as you know sometimes it’s even worse – the fathers take jobs where they’re paid cash under the table, so they can’t be forced to pay child support, or they disappear and it’s a huge effort to find them. It’s insane that they think child support is the answer to this. It’s like the “tell me you don’t know anything about issue ‘x’ without telling me” stuff I see on Twitter all the time.
Baud
@Soprano2:
That one lady in Illinois said it.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: It was something along the lines of what Akin said about women’s bodies having a way of “shutting [pregnancy] down” in rape cases. Really dumb and crass like that. Hope it’s helpful to Spanberger!
eclare
@Soprano2: You don’t have to say the quiet part out loud in a lot of areas in TN.
zhena gogolia
@germy shoemangler: SHE LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE CHILDREN IN VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED OF COURSE I’M SCARED OF HER
Soprano2
@MagdaInBlack: I already say one from Jorts with two cats holding a sign saying “We’ll adopt your bird”. LOL
zhena gogolia
@Soprano2: Haha
Soprano2
@satby: My mother had a friend whose ex was finally put in jail by a judge; strangely enough, a man who said he had no money was able to quickly cough up $5,000 in order to get out of jail. That’s how bad it was. Her daughter is my massage therapist; she told me her dad easily owed tens of thousands of child support he never paid, and he had the money to pay it!
germy shoemangler
@O. Felix Culpa:
I doubt very much he has any progressive friends.
different-church-lady
@MagdaInBlack: If there’s one thing the upper classes will never be bad at, it’s transferring all the hard work of every single thing in life onto the lower classes.
O. Felix Culpa
@Soprano2:
Here it is: “We will adopt your bird.”
Soprano2
@MisterDancer: Yep, I see that stuff on FB all the time. Many people post things without checking whether it’s true when it’s obviously fishy. Most of the time when I tell them it’s not true they don’t care!
O. Felix Culpa
@germy shoemangler:
Not any more, for sure.
Matt McIrvin
The flip side of accusing LGBT people and anyone trying to normalize them as being “groomers” is the implied message that nice straight white Christian married people are never sexual abusers. “Making it easier to adopt” is all of a piece with that–the point is to funnel children to the right sort of people, and we can all tell just by looking who those are.
Soprano2
@Kay: That’s the other thing, they know they haven’t stopped abortion but just made it more dangerous. To them that’s a feature, not a bug – it’s part of the “those sluts have to be punished” mentality.
germy shoemangler
@O. Felix Culpa:
The guy who wrote the op-ed is O. Carter Snead, a person whose name sounds like it was invented by W.C. Fields
germy shoemangler
Soprano2
@OzarkHillbilly: You’ll like this story. My husband’s ex sued him in the 1970’s for not paying child support, which was bullshit because he always paid it. I think she filed for welfare, which is what triggered the lawsuit (not sure of all the details). She lived in CA; their records were so shitty that when the court case was done not only did the court say he had overpaid, they reduced the amount he had to pay each month! LOL This is why we have only a couple of joint accounts. I knew another man who was mad when his attorney advised him to start paying his support through the courts; he thought it implied he didn’t pay. The attorney explained that no, it actually made a legal record that he did pay which would be better for him.
What these people don’t understand is that the issue of child support is complicated.
Suzanne
@zhena gogolia:
Agreed. (I might quibble with Ryan, but there are others.)
Visual quality matters a lot, it helps with those first steps in decision-making, which involves making something even feel plausible. This is the Visual Culture generation, and sometimes our people look shitty.
I will note that the fact that Biden, despite being old, looks about 500 times better than TFG, and I am sure that that matters.
different-church-lady
@Matt McIrvin: “I mean, what’s the big deal here? You just have another human being or two growing inside you for nine months, and then you go through a little incident of excruciating pain that could result in your death, and then we take the end product. I can’t understand what you’re whining about!”
Steeplejack
@germy shoemangler:
LOL. The very first comment, sorted by “most liked,” is: “Why do I get the feeling this column won’t age well?”
The piece is by O. Carter Snead, a law professor at (Catholic university) Notre Dame and colleague of Amy Coney Barrett, who also taught there. All very
incestuouscozy.O. Felix Culpa
@Soprano2:
…would fill volumes.
Chris Johnson
@lowtechcyclist: It’s basically Russia back on Twitter. That’s who’s behind so much of this, the end goal always being civil war, all the arguments always about despair (from every side of the divide) and the need to abandon all reason and just fight it out in every street.
Roe v Wade is just another excuse to these people. They were able to make that happen and so they did and the goal is civil war and destroying America.
Tons of real people fall for it, especially at the wacky extremes where left meets right. It’s absolutely being stage managed out of Moscow. There was a brief while when they were too busy invading Ukraine and backed off the twitter flooding, but Ukraine didn’t fall and so Russia is back to the only trick that worked.
germy shoemangler
“No worse than how we elect presidents”
satby
@Steeplejack: Toxic Masculinity University is not a good school.
Soprano2
@Kay: I think many of them don’t know how the world of adoption has changed. They still have the 1950’s idea in their head, where the woman gives up the baby and never sees it again. From what I’ve read, open adoptions are much more common now, almost seeming to be the norm. Plus, in some states parents can give the baby back if they want to for a certain period of time. I knew of a case where people gave a baby back after she was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis. The biological mother was a 15-year-old kid. So, that baby probably ended up as a ward of the state in foster care. The anti-abortion people seem to know nothing about things like this, either.
Just One More Canuck
@EarthWindFire: that’s an evergreen statement
eclare
@Suzanne: He is 79 and still bikes! Someone needs to tell him to get rid of toe cages, unless you are on a stationary bike, they are dangerous.
Baud
@germy shoemangler:
I wish the campaign season only lasted 9 months.
germy shoemangler
@Soprano2:
I wonder if that’s why Amy Coney adopts from other countries.
eclare
@Soprano2: That is heartbreaking.
different-church-lady
@Soprano2:
The ultimate in consumer convenience!
geg6
@germy shoemangler:
Though I think they’ll probably also have the documentarian, they’ve already confirmed that it is Meadows’ assistant. The one who named the names of the congresscritters begging for pardons.
O. Felix Culpa
@different-church-lady:
Also just one step away (barely) from human chattel, aka trafficking.
Thor Heyerdahl
@O. Felix Culpa:
When I first read that (need more coffee or something), I thought it said “relentless freedom from thought“
geg6
@eclare:
Yes, I find that move fascinating.
O. Felix Culpa
@Thor Heyerdahl:
That fits too. Your pre-caffeinated subconscious was not wrong.
eclare
@geg6: Maybe she realized as a young person, not as connected, she would be sacrificed.
geg6
@Baud:
From what I saw from reporters on tv, she was involved in pretty much everything Meadows did and had access to a lot of his devices and communications.
germy shoemangler
@geg6:
I agree
Suzanne
@Soprano2:
This is actually a really important and I think overlooked factor. Back in the pre-Roe days, it was much more shameful to be a single mom, and so babies were given up in secret and closed adoptions were common. For many good reasons, neither of these things are common any longer. And yes, the white Christian tradpeople want more babies, and they want to pass them off as their own. International adoptions are also on the wane. So they don’t want to do foster-to-adopt, they don’t want open adoptions. This is why I keep pointing out that they are thrilled to (attempt to) force middle-class and rich white women to give birth…. more white babies!
Ksmiami
@Betty Cracker: that’s why we need to pressure Biden et Al to reallocate hhs funds to blue states and real medical providers. Do not fund this bs. Meeting w planned parenthood Dallas tonight
debbie
@Steeplejack:
Paywalled. Do they say he’s her colleague? Sometimes, those op-eds provide less than full disclosure.
Another Scott
@Soprano2: It’s the usual bad-faith, disingenuous, lies. “We’ll go back to the way it was before and everything will be better!!”
No, the law and processes that you’re tearing down were put in place because things were bad before they were enacted. That’s why they were enacted in the first place – to make things better.
It’s as bad as arguing that we should tear up the sewage treatment plants because taxes are too high, the water is clean enough (when was the last time someone got cholera in Peoria anyway??!!), and that nice billionaire says we can have a fun casino on the site if we just give him a 300 year tax abatement. Win, win, win!!1
Grrr…,
Scott.
Steeplejack
@debbie:
Look at #126 above. In the snippet quoted Snead himself says that Barrett was a “friend and colleague for more than 15 years.”
Mike in NC
Cannot think of a worse couple of people in this country today than Clarence and Ginni Thomas.
TheTruffle
Over at the Great Orange Satan, someone complained that the White House and Congressional Dems are too feeble in their response. Um…really?
rikyrah
@O. Felix Culpa:
For those who defend Republicans..it never ages well.
O. Felix Culpa
@rikyrah:
No lie told.
gvg
@Soprano2: I know someone who adopted an abandoned baby. She was a nurse who specialized in high need medical premies. Basically the bio parents had several children and wanted this one but the baby was born with medical issues so she couldn’t leave the nicu for a long time and the long term prognosis was constant expensive medical crisis which would probably eventually kill her young. They probably had insurance issues if they even had insurance. According to the nurses the parents came constantly at first but after months started to come less often and eventually stopped and disappeared. The state took custody and then the bills were covered. Nurse adopted and save babies life multiple times probably because she recognized crisis early, but she also had issues with her job because the multiple illnesses of the baby kept her from work rather often.
I often thought the parents may have realized the baby would not survive if she hadn’t got state insurance for life…..abandoning the baby may have saved it’s life. If that is what happened, it is terrible of our healthcare system.
The nurse is such a good mom for that baby, but that doesn’t changed the dumpster fire badness of the choices.
There aren’t enough foster homes. Forced birth is going to result in some messed up people.
TheTruffle
@Baud: How about “Voting makes you cool”?
J R in WV
@lowtechcyclist:
Perhaps the bots have internal lists of their ‘nyms, and so can learn how to replicate each others’ posts, spreading them far beyond the original post ?? Just sounds like a normal thing to build into software bots to me.
J R in WV
@Baud:
I would take a wild guess and jump on — hmm… 1934. When have the RWNJs ever not prioritized the incels over their target women?
J R in WV
@Soprano2:
A next door neighbor for 40+ years now, and a dear friend for just that long, not long ago got a fateful phone call from a little girl baby she gave up for adoption when she was 16, long ago now.
From that phone call she has developed a close relationship with that little girl’s family AND become a welcome grandma to her two pretty wonderful kids. So now she and her also cool and loved husband travel to the big city where that family lives. IIRC little girl is now a successful downtown architect (or maybe in software and her husband as an architect, I’m forgetful now that I’m old).
Anyway, very happy ending for all. Kindness in action! Everyone mentioned in this msg is a progressive liberal activist!!
The Lodger
@Mike in NC: But will Clarence and Ginni adopt your baby?